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I get the reason behind why controversial questions might get asked about sexuality, drinking, & a family member's background since millions of dollars are being spent on top draft prospects. However, questions about sexuality are so inappropriate it's not even funny & the answers to those questions tell you nothing about their ability to play football. High pressure situations during a game have no correlation to their character or ability to win a darn game on an NFL level. The soft argument is such hogwash too. What like you're masculinity is in jeopardy because a person feels a question is none of their darn business & way over the line? Please...

 

Let's take the devil's advocate position for a second. Say a GM asks a kid is you're momma a * & he punches the guy in the face? That's assault. Not being courageous for asking a provocative question to see how a kid handles something totally out of left field. 

 

If the Commissioner has told teams questions are off limits & I'm sure the CBA addresses this in some capacity, you cannot engage in this conduct period. It has nothing to do with toughness, masculinity, or being deemed as "soft." 

 

Also, if GMs expect draft picks to lie in certain questions & tell the truth on others, what's the point of the interview in the first place if you have to guess about sincerity or sarcasm during a furry of 15 minute lightning round sessions? Are we gonna hook all draftees up to polygraph machines now? Simply absurd if you ask me. 

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2 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

I get the reason behind why controversial questions might get asked about sexuality, drinking, & a family member's background since millions of dollars are being spent on top draft prospects. However, questions about sexuality are so inappropriate it's not even funny & the answers to those questions tell you nothing about their ability to play football. High pressure situations during a game have no correlation to their character or ability to win a darn game on an NFL level. The soft argument is such hogwash too. What like you're masculinity is in jeopardy because a person feels a question is none of their darn business & way over the line? Please...

 

Let's take the devil's advocate position for a second. Say a GM asks a kid is you're momma a * & he punches the guy in the face? That's assault. Not being courageous for asking a provocative question to see how a kid handles something totally out of left field. 

 

If the Commissioner has told teams questions are off limits & I'm sure the CBA addresses this in some capacity, you cannot engage in this conduct period. It has nothing to do with toughness, masculinity, or being deemed as "soft." 

 

Also, if GMs expect draft picks to lie in certain questions & tell the truth on others, what's the point of the interview in the first place if you have to guess about sincerity or sarcasm during a furry of 15 minute lightning round sessions? Are we gonna hook all draftees up to polygraph machines now? Simply absurd if you ask me. 

Great points

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1 hour ago, TdungyW/12 said:

Exactly they are groomed to answer those regular questions bythe book. 

I will grant you that combine preparation specialists can help you rehearse & polish common answers, but that's why scouts go back to a prospects college & high school & talk to teachers, professors, secretaries, & janitors because secretaries & janitors are the eyes & ears of any institution. They truly are.

 

Coaches exaggerate a lot because they want publicity for the school, but secretaries & custodians never lie. They are always straight shooters about how a kid behaves when they think no one is watching or they forget they are even there. Trust me on this one. I know. 

 

Watch the tape & listen closely to the secretary & the janitor & you'll know exactly where a kid's head is at. 

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38 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I don't know what you think is telling.   Guice didn't go to the media.

 

He was asked a question during an interview.    That's different.    And the question was about the strangest thing they were asked...    the answer players give most is....   are you a dog person or a cat person?

 

As far as I can tell, Guice wasn't complaining, he was more astonished than anything...

 

What I'm asking is, how do we know what a team asked Guice unless Guice told us himself?  Maybe he didn't, but what I read is that "Guice said......"  He complained to someone.

 

I would think if he just kept quiet about what he was asked nobody would have ever known he was asked those questions.

 

 Now, you are saying the world has a hunch he is gay.  He brought that on himself. And it wasn't even an accusation,  It was a question. A question where the team may not have even cared if he was gay but wanted his reaction.  Well, the world has it.  He complained (raised the issue knowing others would complain for him).

 

Sounds to me like he's prepping us, or the judicial system,  for a potential Jonathan Martin situation where he claims failure was caused by someone else having inappropriate behavior.

 

Asking you.  Why would HE reveal these questions?  How does putting a potential employer in an embarrassing spot help his situation at this time?  

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Can you imagine the day when the first female player gets invited to the combine? (oh and it will happen someday...maybe just a kicker at first but someday) Let's hope this sort of questioning is gone by then because it will get beyond ridiculous. I honestly don't see how any of these questions could serve any real purpose...despite what others claim. I'm not trying to be sensitive nor does it offend me but I just see it adding no value and just making your company/team look bad.

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5 minutes ago, DougDew said:

What I'm asking is, how do we know what a team asked Guice unless Guice told us himself?  Maybe he didn't, but what I read is that "Guice said......"  He complained to someone.

 

I would think if he just kept quiet about what he was asked nobody would have ever known.  Now, you are saying the world has a hunch he is gay.  He brought that on himself. And it wasn't even an accusation,  It was a question.

 

Sounds to me like he's prepping us, or the judicial system,  for a potential Jonathan Martin situation where he claims failure was caused by someone else having inappropriate behavior.

 

Asking you.  Why would HE bring these questions up?  How does putting a potential employer in an embarrassing spot help his situation at this time?  

I heard his answers on talk radio...he was laughing when he answered them. The questioning was something along the lines of the craziest questions he was asked etc...and he was like one team asked this and someone asked that and it didn't seem like he was upset by it at all etc...he wasn't making a big deal about it...everyone else did when they heard what he asked....its totally changed. Far as I can tell Guice didn't even blink he was kinda shocked but laughing about it. Now that the media is running with it maybe he and his agent or others are making it more serious but initially it didn't sound like he even cared.

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21 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I heard his answers on talk radio...he was laughing when he answered them. The questioning was something along the lines of the craziest questions he was asked etc...and he was like one team asked this and someone asked that and it didn't seem like he was upset by it at all etc...he wasn't making a big deal about it...everyone else did when they heard what he asked....its totally changed. Far as I can tell Guice didn't even blink he was kinda shocked but laughing about it.

Okay then.  No harm no foul.  So what's the problem?

 

I'll say it until the cows come home, whenever threads like this come up.  

 

People who care about social causes love it when they can enlist (or bully) a wealthy, visible entity, (like big corporations) into doing their social work for them.  The NFL has gone down a rabbit hole of melding its product with social causes.

 

In this case, what isn't a problem for the player becomes a problem for the NFL because the social cause police got wind of it and must enforce their policy out of fear it might get compromised if someone isn't made responsible or sacrificed to the gods. 

 

Nevermind the fact that the game-day culture in the NFL actually makes questions like that relevant. 

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11 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I heard his answers on talk radio...he was laughing when he answered them. The questioning was something along the lines of the craziest questions he was asked etc...and he was like one team asked this and someone asked that and it didn't seem like he was upset by it at all etc...he wasn't making a big deal about it...everyone else did when they heard what he asked....its totally changed. Far as I can tell Guice didn't even blink he was kinda shocked but laughing about it. Now that the media is running with it maybe he and his agent or others are making it more serious but initially it didn't sound like he even cared.

The reason the media is runnng with it that it violates so many rules and ethics standards

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Ive no problems with teams asking these questions on a personal level. This isn't even boot camp level.

 

But, the NFLPA states these questions shall not be asked, despite the incoming rookies not actually being a member of the NFLPA. This is a binding agreement which is probably in this case been violated. The team should pay a steep fine and a penalty.

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Some research:
The reason why the classification of Combine players matters is that the various protections found in the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) between the NFL and the NFL Players Association may not extend to these players. Even if those protections do extend, players at the Combine—who can’t yet be members of the NFLPA—have no suasion over how applicable protections are designed or enforced.

 

 

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2 hours ago, TdungyW/12 said:

Maybe I grew up in a different time and era.

Regardless IMO too many people are offended and cry over the stupidest crap and society is soft. It comes from parenting and rules now a Days.

Lol... this argument...

Like people complaining about people complaining???

 

 

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10 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

The reason the media is runnng with it that it violates so many rules and ethics standards

Oh I understand. I agree..its dumb...to me its beneath me to speak such a way to anyone. Shows no respect and has no place...even if it is happening on a football field etc. You don't think he has already experienced such talk etc already? If he has handled himself on the field with class before there is no reason to believe he wouldn't now. Not only is it disgusting to talk about it serves no purpose. If he went around hitting everyone that called his mama a name don't you think we would have figured that out by now? I agree with you...it doesn't matter what the job is...some things are just black and white as you say. Whether I am or you are offended there is just right and wrong. I see no reason where any of that line of questioning is appropriate or serves any purpose. Besides...you can't find everything out about a person in an interview anyways so if there is something they want to know about a player they will just need to find another way to figure it out without asking such vile, disgusting questions...or it will just have to be part of the great unknown that they already have about all these players.

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7 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Oh I understand. I agree..its dumb...to me its beneath me to speak such a way to anyone. Shows no respect and has no place...even if it is happening on a football field etc. You don't think he has already experienced such talk etc already? If he has handled himself on the field with class before there is no reason to believe he wouldn't now. Not only is it disgusting to talk about it serves no purpose. If he went around hitting everyone that called his mama a name don't you think we would have figured that out by now? I agree with you...it doesn't matter what the job is...some things are just black and white as you say. Whether I am or you are offended there is just right and wrong. I see no reason where any of that line of questioning is appropriate or serves any purpose.

Then why do you think the professional interviewers asked those questions? 

 

Which speaks to the underlying point, its for them to know and for us to butt out.

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7 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Oh I understand. I agree..its dumb...to me its beneath me to speak such a way to anyone. Shows no respect and has no place...even if it is happening on a football field etc. You don't think he has already experienced such talk etc already? If he has handled himself on the field with class before there is no reason to believe he wouldn't now. Not only is it disgusting to talk about it serves no purpose. If he went around hitting everyone that called his mama a name don't you think we would have figured that out by now? I agree with you...it doesn't matter what the job is...some things are just black and white as you say. Whether I am or you are offended there is just right and wrong. I see no reason where any of that line of questioning is appropriate or serves any purpose.

So true

   That is why I treat every person I work with the same and step up anytime I hear someone(even if they are siblings) say something negative about someone else

 

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5 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Then why do you think the professional interviewers asked those questions? 

 

Which speaks to the underlying point, its for them to know and for us to butt out.

There are other ways to find out what you want to know without asking such a question...and a lot of these jokers ask questions like this because they are bored after 150 interviews. You don't think these kids have been called names or dealt with stuff on the playing field already? Clearly if they had a temper or issue it would have surfaced. If that isn't the case then I think the people asking these questions should have no problem coming forward and explaining why they ask them then. I'll be waiting on their response....and it won't happen because their isn't a good explaination for it.

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48 minutes ago, Buck Showalter said:

Lol... this argument...

Like people complaining about people complaining???

 

 

Yep, depending on what kind of mood I'm in. I can elevate venting to poetic prose baby. 

 

Having said all that, Buck is speaking the truth though. Well said my man. :thmup:

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39 minutes ago, dgambill said:

There are other ways to find out what you want to know without asking such a question...and a lot of these jokers ask questions like this because they are bored after 150 interviews. You don't think these kids have been called names or dealt with stuff on the playing field already? Clearly if they had a temper or issue it would have surfaced. If that isn't the case then I think the people asking these questions should have no problem coming forward and explaining why they ask them then. I'll be waiting on their response....and it won't happen because their isn't a good explaination for it.

 

I don't think the people asking the questions have a need to explain anything to us, since the only people seemingly offended are people who have nothing to do with the situation. 

 

Which is my point.  Social cause-ers self-appoint themselves as the bigot patrol, and when they think they detect even a whiff of it somewhere, they feel its their job to root it out and present a sacrificial lamb to the gods.  That's really their attitude.  

 

I guess I tend to trust people who do the interviews, that they ask things because it matters, even if someone not involved in the process doesn't think it should.  I guess I'm not assuming the interviewer is a bigot.  

 

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1 hour ago, dgambill said:

Besides...you can't find everything out about a person in an interview anyways so if there is something they want to know about a player they will just need to find another way to figure it out without asking such vile, disgusting questions..

If the NFL league office employs former FBI agents to look into sensitive matters about players or what really happened during an altercation, I'm sure team owners have private investigator's to get the bottom of a controversial matter with former intelligence backgrounds too. 

 

I just never understand why sexuality questions even gets brought up at the combine because even if a player prefers same sex relationships socially; they're not gonna make a move against anybody showering after a game. Guys like to keep their professional life & romantic pursuits separate from work usually. Also, nowadays a lot of people use online dating apps anyway so their private life & work life don't get blurred & cause friction where you earn your bread & butter. 

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20 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

If the NFL league office employs former FBI agents to look into sensitive matters about players or what really happened during an altercation, I'm sure team owners have private investigator's to get the bottom of a controversial matter with former intelligence backgrounds too. 

 

I just never understand why sexuality questions even gets brought up at the combine because even if a player prefers same sex relationships socially; they're not gonna make a move against anybody showering after a game. Guys like to keep their professional life & romantic pursuits separate from work usually. Also, nowadays a lot of people use online dating apps anyway so their private life & work life don't get blurred & cause friction where you earn your bread & butter. 

Uh, drifting OT here, but I think it could be the same thing as 65 gay female teammates on a co-ed team not wanting to shower in front of a hetero man.

 

Maybe its not a perfect analogy, but the NFL's policy in that situation would be to tell the females to "get over it" .

 

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1 minute ago, DougDew said:

Uh, drifting OT here, but I think it could be the same thing as 65 gay female teammates on a co-ed team not wanting to shower in front of a hetero man.

 

Maybe its not a perfect analogy, but the NFL's policy in that situation would be to tell the females to "get over it" because the bigot patrol might organize a boycott against us.

 

Not good since by law there would be 2 different LRs or Shower Time

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18 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Uh, drifting OT here, but I think it could be the same thing as 65 gay female teammates on a co-ed team not wanting to shower in front of a hetero man.

 

Maybe its not a perfect analogy, but the NFL's policy in that situation would be to tell the females to "get over it" .

 

Look, I'm not making any assumptions here. I don't care what a player's orientation is or personal preferences are. When athletes have practiced or just completed a game, they're normally not preoccupied with how their teammate looks in their birthday suit. They just wash up, dry off, get dressed, comb their hair, do an interview, & get on a bus or plane. 

 

Do freak incidents happen once in awhile? Sure, but the vast majority of people are responsible & go about their day without any problems. It's not my place to evaluate who feels uncomfortable in what setting or why. That's ACLU or Supreme Court matters & not my concern. 

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42 minutes ago, DougDew said:

 

I don't think the people asking the questions have a need to explain anything to us, since the only people seemingly offended are people who have nothing to do with the situation. 

 

Which is my point.  Social cause-ers self-appoint themselves as the bigot patrol, and when they think they detect even a whiff of it somewhere, they feel its their job to root it out and present a sacrificial lamb to the gods.  That's really their attitude.  

 

I guess I tend to trust people who do the interviews, that they ask things because it matters, even if someone not involved in the process doesn't think it should.  I guess I'm not assuming the interviewer is a bigot.  

 

I think you give said interviewers too much credit. Not so much that they are bigoted but that their questions have any relevance at all other than to try to get a rise out of someone. I mean there is no right or wrong answers are there. What if he does prefer men....or what if his mom really was a prostitute...prostitutes have children too. Neither of those question have any bearing on field or off field performance. The questions are for shock value...to try to throw someone off and get a reaction. Much more appropriate questions can be used to have a similar affect. Regardless what I think is appropriate the NFL themselves have said it wasn't appropriate to ask such questions so really this isn't a social causer question but rather plain. It's wrong...and it should stop because the league has said so....whether the league decided that based on social changes etc that doesn't matter. I have never heard anyone stand up in front of the media and defend why these questions are appropriate and necessary for football operations...and no one ever will.

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2 hours ago, PrincetonTiger said:

The reason the media is runnng with it that it violates so many rules and ethics standards

.ethics lmao  

ethics in the NFL went out the window when you have these athletes running up and down a field  making TONS more then teachers, military ect. But we wont get into that debate. 

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3 minutes ago, ReMeDy said:

If I find out it's the Patriots doing this, I will raise hell like you've never seen it before, and trust me, you don't want to see my version of hell.

If I found out it was the Colts I would be writing the team. Anyways, I'm surprised the NFL doesn't fine teams for said actions. It makes the league look even worse than they already are. Guess its the same ol same ol though.

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24 minutes ago, dgambill said:

If I found out it was the Colts I would be writing the team. Anyways, I'm surprised the NFL doesn't fine teams for said actions. It makes the league look even worse than they already are. Guess its the same ol same ol though.

 Have a feeling that a Fine system or some kind of punishment is coming in the near future

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15 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I think you give said interviewers too much credit. Not so much that they are bigoted but that their questions have any relevance at all other than to try to get a rise out of someone. I mean there is no right or wrong answers are there. What if he does prefer men....or what if his mom really was a prostitute...prostitutes have children too. Neither of those question have any bearing on field or off field performance. The questions are for shock value...to try to throw someone off and get a reaction. Much more appropriate questions can be used to have a similar affect. Regardless what I think is appropriate the NFL themselves have said it wasn't appropriate to ask such questions so really this isn't a social causer question but rather plain. It's wrong...and it should stop because the league has said so....whether the league decided that based on social changes etc that doesn't matter. I have never heard anyone stand up in front of the media and defend why these questions are appropriate and necessary for football operations...and no one ever will.

Its important to know if he is sensitive about anything about himself or his background.  That's cause for concern because sensitivity doesn't mesh well with the NFL.  Just ask him about it rather than rely on second hand info or rumors.

 

I wouldn't not draft him because he was gay, or because his mom was a prostitute, and can't imagine any team wouldn't.   But I might think twice if he was sensitive about it. Gotta find that out.

 

 

 

 

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  On top a punishment system this incident will change the combine interview process by the NFL giving a list of approved questions or topics,Some kind of taping of the interviews, and/or exit interviews by the NFL with the players after each team interview 

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The problem with the NFL policy is that it is rooted in the narrow-minded thinking that certain things are indicative of bigotry.  It can't help but create policies that are conflicting, confusing, and ultimately unfair to a large number of people.  

 

After this, I think teams should tape all interviews because players or others might accuse teams of things and people will believe it without any real evidence.

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10 minutes ago, DougDew said:

The problem with the NFL policy is that it is rooted in the narrow-minded thinking that certain things are indicative of bigotry.  It can't help but create policies that are conflicting, confusing, and ultimately unfair to a large number of people.  

 

After this, I think teams should tape all interviews because players or others might accuse teams of things and people will believe it without any real evidence.

How is it difficult   

   It is the same every parent, teacher, Mentor etc. tell kids at school, home, wherever 

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1 hour ago, ReMeDy said:

If I find out it's the Patriots doing this, I will raise hell like you've never seen it before, and trust me, you don't want to see my version of hell.

Now, you've officially peaked my curiosity. Field trip time. Hey man, you opened pandora's box. I just wanna meet your decorator in Hades. That's all. 

 

Just messing with ya RMDY. I just wanna see if our versions of the underworld look similar. haha

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4 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I dont understand your question, how is it difficult?

  How is the policy difficult or misleading since every school(Public or Private), Library, Community Center etc have the same policy on questions that shouldn’t be asked

 

 

   The only difference is that the NFL currently doesn’t have a punishment component yet

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7 hours ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

See?

 

Now how would you feel if someone that DIDN'T think those questions were off-limits asked you those, then when you got offended, they said you were just being "SOFT" and to get the F over it?

 

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:scoregood:  Great reply!!

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3 hours ago, DougDew said:

I guess I tend to trust people who do the interviews, that they ask things because it matters.  Somethings may matter to the position and may need to be discovered.  The fact that people not involved in the situation can't understand it doesn't really matter.

DD, 

 

Can political correctness be taken to the extreme? Absolutely. If a player has a number of red flags from domestic violence to negative perceptions of certain lifestyles of specific individuals, the odds are is that that person won't be drafted anyway so, what purpose does it serve to ask if athlete is gay? When a GM or HC presents a player with hypothetical situations of potential trouble, they must be based around whether or not said activity will impair their ability to play football in any way. 

 

The combine is basically a long interview to determine can you help us a ring & not embarrass our owner or community DD. Who somebody sleeps with is none of my darn business unless it interferes with winning games or team chemistry period. 

 

Being blunt or a smart caboose at the Combine as the interviewee is just foolish & asinine. No good ever comes from asking if a guy's mother is promiscuous man.

 

Questions must be relevant to the job description you are applying for. Throwing the ball, catching the ball, kicking the ball, running the ball into the end zone, tackling the ball carrier, or taking the ball away on a turnover. Who someone screws on their down time has no relevancy on a player's ability to perform on the field. Zero. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, southwest1 said:

DD, 

 

Can political correctness be taken to the extreme? Absolutely. If a player has a number of red flags from domestic violence to negative perceptions of certain lifestyles of specific individuals, the odds are is that that person won't be drafted anyway so, what purpose does it serve to ask if athlete is gay? When a GM or HC presents a player with hypothetical situations of potential trouble, they must be based around whether or not said activity will impair their ability to play football in any way. 

 

The combine is basically a long interview to determine can you help us a ring & not embarrass our owner or community DD. Who somebody sleeps with is none of my darn business unless it interferes with winning games or team chemistry period. 

 

Being blunt or a smart caboose at the Combine as the interviewee is just foolish & asinine. No good ever comes from asking if a guy's mother is promiscuous man.

 

Questions must be relevant to the job description you are applying for. Throwing the ball, catching the ball, kicking the ball, running the ball into the end zone, tackling the ball carrier, or taking the ball away on a turnover. Who someone screws on their down time has no relevancy on a player's ability to perform on the field. Zero. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO

 the only thing questions like that do is make you and/or team a pariah 

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43 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

  How is the policy difficult or misleading since every school(Public or Private), Library, Community Center etc have the same policy on questions that shouldn’t be asked

 

 

   The only difference is that the NFL currently doesn’t have a punishment component yet

Those are social institutions and they have a different role in America than large corporations.  

 

Sports teams are about the only large corporation that pits one faction against the other where there are few rules about not trash talking your competitor.  If other companies did that, it would be like the Nissan Salesman walking over to the Toyota Salesman's "home" dealership and saying his mother is a ....... as a matter of normal procedure.

 

Which, if it was, and I was hiring a Toyota salesman, I'd want to know if the candidates mother was a ...... and if he was sensitive about it.

 

That's not the same thing as teaching my kid to be polite to others in social situations.

 

That's why its confusing and difficult.  The NFL is trying to meld its product with social causes.  Goodell is a fool for going down these rabbit holes.

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1 minute ago, DougDew said:

Those are social institutions and they have a different role in America than large corporations.  

 

Sports teams are about the only large corporation that pits one faction against the other where there are few rules about not trash talking your competitor.  If other companies did that, it would be like the Nissan Salesman walking over to the Toyota Salesman's "home" dealership and saying his mother is a ....... as a matter of normal procedure.

 

Which, if it was, and I was hiring a Toyota salesman, I'd want to know if the candidates mother was a ...... and if he was sensitive about it.

 

That's not the same thing as teaching my kid to be polite to others in social situations.

 

That's why its confusing and difficult.  The NFL is trying to meld social politeness with something basically inconsistent with its product.  Goodell is a fool for going down these social cause rabbit holes.

Welcome to 2018 

 

 

   Like it or not the NFL is a role model for society

 

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    • I just thought I would take this opportunity to brag a bit about the fact that I had the opportunity to chat with Peyton at the Masters last week for about 5 minutes.  Truly a bucket list experience and I must say, he has the Southern Hospitality that one might expect but wow- did not expect to run into him and it was quite the experience.  It just had to be the one place left on earth where cell phones are banned, so no picture opportunity unfortunately.   I told Peyton that my first Colts experience was riding to Buffalo in a blizzard when the Colts were 14-0 and they benched him only to lose that game. I said thanks for my first Colts experience being one where he was riding the pine.  He laughed, apologized to me and said that if it was up to him he would have been checking down in that snow storm for 4 quarters.  He thanked me for the support, and was asking me a bit about myself, where I am from, etc.  Quite the gentleman! I think it was obligatory for him to be nice to patrons while he was wearing his Green Jacket, but none the less....a great experience meeting a childhood hero. Lynn Swann walked up to us while we were talking and shook Peyton's hand.  I joked that now was the perfect time for a 10 yard slant- and then slid into the bushes like Homer Simpson with humility.    Unforgettable experience everyone!   Would love to hear some of your Peyton stories from over the years, since it is a bit of a slow time of year before the draft! Let it fly Colts fans  
    • I agree.  I think this is another one of those over-hyped QB classes that will probably never perform to the level of the hype. But -- teams still need a quarterback.  And will convince themselves that that must take one of these quarterbacks.  That it's the only solution to their problem.  If I was forced to choose, I would probably go with Heisman winner Jayden Daniels.  I'm concerned that Caleb Williams may have some personality issues to go with his lack of measurables, even though he shows strong ability to improvise.  Drake Maye has the measurables, but I have questions regarding the level of opposition playing at UNC.  It's not the same as playing the equivalent of the Crimson Tide every single week.  JJ McCarthy is "good".  And he's been successful.  He led his team to a BCS championship.  And?  I see him in the same mold as AJ McCarron.  Supremely successful in college, but not good enough to be The Guy in the pros.
    • Right. KC was also a perennial playoff team prior to Mahomes taking over. The Colts are a fringe playoff team at best, until we see if AR can lift the roster.    And to your point, Veach took over the summer before Mahomes’ rookie year. Hard to compare how KC’s FO approach with Dorsey at GM (for several years) vs. when Veach took over. It seems like Ballard has been more like Dorsey and Veach might just operate differently from both of them.    If Ballard wanted to follow the Veach KC model, he sure waited a long time to do it once Luck retired. 
    • DeFo was an aggressive move.   But I wouldn’t classify Wentz or Ryan as aggressive moves. Getting Stafford would have been an aggressive move at QB. Wentz was cheaper and PHI was looking to dump him. They didn’t even budge from their initial offer to PHI  And Ryan sort of fell in their laps after they dumped Wentz. 
    • I think most important option is missing in the poll : No One.   I think it's a fairly average QB class that it's okay to not like anybody enough to draft him. There's no one QB that Wows you with their pocket passing Caliber or pure athletic traits or good combination of both. It's like a tweener class of all those abilities, having lop-sided combination of above said skills.    And, this poll, rather than forcing to pick one QB, needed that extra option to express staying away from this QB class. 
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