2018 NFL Combine - QBs/WRs/TEs Testing

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Here's the schedule. Today are the on-field tests and drills for the QB/WR/TE groups. They already had their bench press yesterday. I will post them below 

 

Day two arrivals: Group 4 (QB, WO), Group 5(QB, WO), Group 6(TE)

Wednesday, February 28th - Registration ~ Hospital Pre-Exam & X-rays ~ Overflow Testing ~ Orientation ~ Interviews

Thursday, March 1st - Measurements ~ Medical Examinations ~ Overflow Testing ~ Interviews

Friday, March 2nd - Psychological Testing ~ NFLPA Meeting ~ Media ~ Bench Press ~ Interviews

Saturday, March 3rd - On-Field Workout (timing, stations, skill drills) ~ Departure from Indianapolis

 

Day three arrivals: Group 7(DL), Group 8 (DL), and Group 9(LB)

Thursday, March 1st - Registration ~ Hospital Pre-Exam & X-rays ~ Overflow Testing ~ Orientation ~ Interviews

Friday, March 2nd - Measurements ~ Medical Examinations ~ Overflow Testing ~ Interviews

Saturday, March 3rd - Psychological Testing ~ NFLPA Meeting ~ Media ~ Bench Press ~ Interviews

Sunday, March 4th - On-Field Workout (timing, stations, skill drills) ~ Departure from Indianapolis

 

Here are several sites that track all the tests:

http://walterfootball.com/combine2018WR.php

https://www.ndtscouting.com/nfl-scouting-combine-2018-player-measurement-tracker/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dTgGyvrLE0vIm9yj4rK_ZznbRU19sQ1RwKimJ8UhhOY/edit#gid=882630227

 

Here are the bench press numbers from yesterday:

WRs

Ateman, Marcell	13
Berrios, Braxton	11
Burnett, Deontay
Cain, Deon	11
Callaway, Antonio
Cantrell, Dylan	18
Carrington, Darren
Chark, D.J.	16
Cobbs, Simmie	11
Coutee, Keke	14
Foster, Robert
Gallup, Michael	10
Grayson, Davon	19
Hamilton, Daesean
Henderson, Quadree	12
James, Richie	6
Kirk, Christian	20
Lacy, Chris	11
Lasley, Jordan	8
Lazard, Allen	17
Martin, T.J.
McCloud, Ray-Ray	13
Miller, Anthony	22
Mitchell, Steven	13
Moore, D.J.	15
Moore, J'Mon	21
Pettis, Dante
Phillips, Cam
Pringle, Byron	15
Quinn, Trey	17
Ridley, Calvin	15
Robertson, Korey	13
Scott, Jaleel	16
Smith, Tre'Quan	12
St. Brown, Equanimeous	20
Sutton, Courtland	18
Tate, Auden
Valdes-Scantling, Marquez	15
Washington, James	14
Weah, Jester	15
White, Ka'Raun	24
Wieneke, Jake	9
Wilson, Cedrick	9
Wims, Javon

 

TEs

Akins, Jordan
Andrews, Mark	17
Baugh, Marcus
Conklin, Tyler	18
Dissly, Will	15
Fumagalli, Troy	14
Gesicki, Mike	22
Goedert, Dallas	23
Herndon, Chris	21
Hurst, Hayden
Izzo, Ryan	18
Samuels, Jaylen	18
Schultz, Dalton	15
Smythe, Durham	18
Thomas, Ian	16
Thomas, Jordan
Wells, David	20

 

 

The on-field tests start at 9am

 

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Lamar Jackson is making a statement at the combine - he's refused to do the athletic testing and he will only do the on-field QB drills and throws. This is after he was asked yesterday to if he would run the WR drills and he said "I'm a QB. I thought I did a good job at QB in college." 

 

It seems like he's sending a message - everybody knows I'm athletic... now watch me throw. 

 

 

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WRs about to run:

 

Marcel Ateman 4.63 

Deon Cain 4.46 - 4.44(second run)

Antonio Callaway 4.41 -> real nice time for Callaway

Dylan Cantrell 4.59

DJ Chark 4.34 ->I think that's the best 40 so far at the combine

Simmie Cobbs Jr - 4.68 -> 4.65 in the secon run

Keke Coutee 4,44

Robert Foster 4,45 ->4.42 in the second run

Michael Gallup 4.52->4.51 second run -> I like Gallup. If he falls to the 3d-4th... it would be awesome pick

Davon Grayson 4.52

Quadree Henderson 4.51

Richie James 4.48

Christian Kirk 4.46 -> good time for Kirk

Chris Lacy 4.51

Jordan Lasley 4.50

Allen Lazard 4.62 -> 4,56!!!! At his size(over 6'4") 225 this is a great time! I didn't expect him to run this well. Also... our new assistant coach Tom Manning was his OC in Iowa state. Worth keeping an eye on. 

Tavares Martin Jr. 4.84

Ray-Ray McCloud 4.60 ->4.54

 

 

 

[DaColts85]

3 hours ago, stitches said:

Here are the bench press numbers from yesterday:

WRs

Ateman, Marcell	13
Berrios, Braxton	11
Burnett, Deontay
Cain, Deon	11
Callaway, Antonio
Cantrell, Dylan	18
Carrington, Darren
Chark, D.J.	16
Cobbs, Simmie	11
Coutee, Keke	14
Foster, Robert
Gallup, Michael	10
Grayson, Davon	19
Hamilton, Daesean
Henderson, Quadree	12
James, Richie	6
Kirk, Christian	20
Lacy, Chris	11
Lasley, Jordan	8
Lazard, Allen	17
Martin, T.J.
McCloud, Ray-Ray	13
Miller, Anthony	22
Mitchell, Steven	13
Moore, D.J.	15
Moore, J'Mon	21
Pettis, Dante
Phillips, Cam
Pringle, Byron	15
Quinn, Trey	17
Ridley, Calvin	15
Robertson, Korey	13
Scott, Jaleel	16
Smith, Tre'Quan	12
St. Brown, Equanimeous	20
Sutton, Courtland	18
Tate, Auden
Valdes-Scantling, Marquez	15
Washington, James	14
Weah, Jester	15
White, Ka'Raun	24
Wieneke, Jake	9
Wilson, Cedrick	9
Wims, Javon

 

TEs

Akins, Jordan
Andrews, Mark	17
Baugh, Marcus
Conklin, Tyler	18
Dissly, Will	15
Fumagalli, Troy	14
Gesicki, Mike	22
Goedert, Dallas	23
Herndon, Chris	21
Hurst, Hayden
Izzo, Ryan	18
Samuels, Jaylen	18
Schultz, Dalton	15
Smythe, Durham	18
Thomas, Ian	16
Thomas, Jordan
Wells, David	20

Just had to say this... many of these WR's and TE's did better than Brown in bench.  That is hilarious.

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Antonio Callaway looks sooooo smooth catching the ball. 

 

Other who seem to have good hands - Gallup, Kirk, DaeSean Hamilton... Lazard looks so much better here than he did at the Senior Bowl... 

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Callaway looks awesome! I don't know if Ballard will clear him off the field because he has some issues there, but he looks spectacular on the field. 

[shasta519]

Callaway looks intriguing. Ballard has some experience pulling the trigger on troubled WRs.

 

But Kirk continues to be the guy for me. 

 

I also really like Lazard at that size.

 

Let's get two WRs in this draft.

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Josh Allen looks amazing throwing the ball. Draws Oohs and aahs from coaches and fellow athletes. 

[NFLfan]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

Antonio Callaway looks sooooo smooth catching the ball. 

 

Other who seem to have good hands - Gallup, Kirk, DaeSean Hamilton... Lazard looks so much better here than he did at the Senior Bowl... 

 

Thank you for the reports and your impressions. I like the Hamilton kid a lot from what I saw at one of the Bowls (Senior Bowl?). I would appreciate more of your thoughts on him. 

 

Thank you!

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2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Thank you for the reports and your impressions. I like the Hamilton kid a lot from what I saw at one of the Bowls (Senior Bowl?). I would appreciate more of your thoughts on him. 

 

Thank you!

I haven't studied him, but he kept popping again and again when I was watching Penn State. He seems to run good routes and has nice hands. I'm not sure he has breakaway speed. I liked him at the senior bowl too... 

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New group of WRs running 40s:

DJ Moore 4.43 -> Bold prediction - Moore is going round 1. He might be the best WR in the draft(Colts met with him yesterday, so if he drops to the second IMO that's where you have to take him. Won't last til round 3)

J'Mon Moore 4.60 

Byron Pringle 4.47 

Trey Quinn 4.56

Calvin Ridley 4.44 - nice time for Ridley too

Korey Robertson 4.59 ->expected better... 4.57 second run

Jaleel Scott 4.58 ->4.57

Tre'Quan Smith 4.53

Equanimeous St. Brown  4.48!!!!!!!!!!! This is at almost 6'5" WOW!

Courtland Sutton 4.55

Auden Tate 4.69

James Washington 4.54

Jester Weah 4.44 ->4.43

Ka'Raun White 4.53

Marquez Valdes-Scantli 4.43 -> 4.37

Jake Wieneke 4.68

Cedrick Wilson 4.56

Javon Wims 4.54

Steven Mitchell Jr 4.57

 

^looks so smooth running at his size. 

 

 

[PrincetonTiger]

Thanks for the info 

 NCAA and NDWBB takes priority today

[bertjones7]

On the field I think Callaway is a good as any Wr in the draft.  Teams will need to do their diligence with all of his off the field issues. He jumped off the screen at Florida ( & booker t Washington hs). His stats were depressed due to playing in a horrible offense without a legit qb. 

 

One of my under the radar wrs (prior to today) was DJ Chark. His speed was evident in games and his 4.34 40 at almost 6’3 backed that up.  His stats were severely depressed due to that horrible LSU offense and qb play. In LSU games I watched this year and especially last year Chark always jumped out to me. Guys like Malachi dupre and travon Dural got more pub but Chark just looked like a stud. Of course their offense and qbs are so bad u could only see flashes. 

 

If Callaway or Chark went to a big 12 school like OU, their numbers would have top notch. 

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Josh Rosen's drop backs are BEAUTIFUL!! And his arm is plenty strong and accurate. IMO best QB in the draft. 

 

edit: and he missed 3 throws on a post corner route to end the session... 

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TEs 40:

 

Durham Smythe 4.86

Ian Thomas 4.75

Jordan Thomas 4.75

David Wells 4.76

Mike Gesicki 4.55->he also jumped 41 inches on the vertical

Mark Andrews 4.59

Marcus Baugh 4.82

Tyler Conklin 4.81

Will Dissly 4.88

Ryan izzo 4.95

Jaylen Samuels 4.64/4.55 -> not a traditional TE, but a moveable piece and weapon... i like him

Dalton Shultz 4.76

Hayden Hurst 4.68

 

[BleedBlu8792]

58 minutes ago, stitches said:

Josh Rosen's drop backs are BEAUTIFUL!! And his arm is plenty strong and accurate. IMO best QB in the draft. 

 

edit: and he missed 3 throws on a post corner route to end the session... 

 

For me, it's what's between his ears. He's a "silver spoon" kid, . The kid had a hot tub in his dorm room and wasn't to concerned about academics. I don't question his talent, but I'd have huge questions about his love of the game and if he could mentally handle/lead an NFL locker room. He's not "king-%" anymore and if he comes in with the wrong attitude, these pro's will eat him alive. 

[chad72]

1 hour ago, bertjones7 said:

On the field I think Callaway is a good as any Wr in the draft.  Teams will need to do their diligence with all of his off the field issues. He jumped off the screen at Florida ( & booker t Washington hs). His stats were depressed due to playing in a horrible offense without a legit qb. 

 

One of my under the radar wrs (prior to today) was DJ Chark. His speed was evident in games and his 4.34 40 at almost 6’3 backed that up.  His stats were severely depressed due to that horrible LSU offense and qb play. In LSU games I watched this year and especially last year Chark always jumped out to me. Guys like Malachi dupre and travon Dural got more pub but Chark just looked like a stud. Of course their offense and qbs are so bad u could only see flashes. 

 

If Callaway or Chark went to a big 12 school like OU, their numbers would have top notch. 

 

I did mention Callaway a while ago with his situation being similar to Tyreek Hill, he is a play maker and will make some team happy. 

[chad72]

10 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

For me, it's what's between his ears. He's a "silver spoon" kid, . The kid had a hot tub in his dorm room and wasn't to concerned about academics. I don't question his talent, but I'd have huge questions about his love of the game and if he could mentally handle/lead an NFL locker room. He's not "king-%" anymore and if he comes in with the wrong attitude, these pro's will eat him alive. 

 

I agree.

 

But then, Peyton did come with the pedigree and bloodlines, plus hype. However, Peyton's good work ethic was more the talk coming out of college than what he said off the field or in college, which was a good thing, looking back.

[BOTT]

10 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

For me, it's what's between his ears. He's a "silver spoon" kid, . The kid had a hot tub in his dorm room and wasn't to concerned about academics. I don't question his talent, but I'd have huge questions about his love of the game and if he could mentally handle/lead an NFL locker room. He's not "king-%" anymore and if he comes in with the wrong attitude, these pro's will eat him alive. 

Didnt the Mannings,  Luck, Steve young all come from well to do families?  Not convinced coming from money has anything to do with desire.

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37 minutes ago, BOTT said:

Didnt the Mannings,  Luck, Steve young all come from well to do families?  Not convinced coming from money has anything to do with desire.

People underestimate how much work being this good at football comes with. I've never seen anything to make me doubt his will and determination to work on his game. 

[BleedBlu8792]

27 minutes ago, BOTT said:

Didnt the Mannings,  Luck, Steve young all come from well to do families?  Not convinced coming from money has anything to do with desire.

None of those guys had character concerns, from NFL scouts, coming out of college either.

[Fisticuffs111]

Ian Thomas looks good. I've been a fan of his for a while, always figured he'd rise up at the combine.

[BOTT]

21 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

None of those guys had character concerns, from NFL scouts, coming out of college either.

What are the character concerns?  I read where he is kinda cocky....telling the truth about the NCAA....I don't know what else there is.

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4 minutes ago, BOTT said:

What are the character concerns?  I read where he is kinda cocky....telling the truth about the NCAA....I don't know what else there is.

https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-time-to-bury-josh-rosen-character-slander-once-and-for-all/

[NewColtsFan]

30 minutes ago, BOTT said:

What are the character concerns?  I read where he is kinda cocky....telling the truth about the NCAA....I don't know what else there is.

 

The character concerns are these.....

 

That no one knows how important football is to him?   No one knows how hard he'll work and for how long?    No one knows how much of a leader in the locker room he is..   I wouldn't read too much into comments by his teammates...   they're his teammates and they gave his back.

 

Remember...   in most cities the QB is the mist high profile indidual.   More than the Mayor or any other athlete.    Is Josh Rosen ready for all that responsibility?   It's not clear, and the fact that it's not clear is not a good sign.

 

Little known fact:    The school Rosen wanted to go to out of high school was...... Stanford.   Shaw didn't like his personality, his inability to work with their coaches and didn't offer him.   Rosen was the number one QB and we didn't offer.

 

Rosen went to the Elite-11 QB camp as the number one guy and out of camp he was ranked 11th because he didn't work well with the coaches.

 

So that's what he'll be asked about in every interview...  and how he handles those questions will go a long way to determine where he goes...

 

There are other concerns about his health...   but I was only addressing the ones you asked about.

[BOTT]

25 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

The character concerns are these.....

 

That no one knows how important football is to him?   No one knows how hard he'll work and for how long?    No one knows how much of a leader in the locker room he is..   I wouldn't read too much into comments by his teammates...   they're his teammates and they gave his back.

 

Remember...   in most cities the QB is the mist high profile indidual.   More than the Mayor or any other athlete.    Is Josh Rosen ready for all that responsibility?   It's not clear, and the fact that it's not clear is not a good sign.

 

Little known fact:    The school Rosen wanted to go to out of high school was...... Stanford.   Shaw didn't like his personality, his inability to work with their coaches and didn't offer him.   Rosen was the number one QB and we didn't offer.

 

Rosen went to the Elite-11 QB camp as the number one guy and out of camp he was ranked 11th because he didn't work well with the coaches.

 

So that's what he'll be asked about in every interview...  and how he handles those questions will go a long way to determine where he goes...

 

There are other concerns about his health...   but I was only addressing the ones you asked about.

The first couple paragraphs don't bother me....you could ask that about any player.

 

but last couple situations would be concerning.

[NewColtsFan]

5 minutes ago, BOTT said:

The first couple paragraphs don't bother me....you could ask that about any player.

 

but last couple situations would be concerning.

 

I think the last QB with those kind of questions surrounding him was..........  Johnny Manziel.

 

Not a fair comparison....   just sayin...

 

[BleedBlu8792]

17 minutes ago, BOTT said:

The first couple paragraphs don't bother me....you could ask that about any player.

 

but last couple situations would be concerning.

 

At the Elite 11 camp, he * Dilfer off by complaining about the changes that were made to the playbook. Dilfer said he was cool with being challenged, but Rosen made it a point to act like he knew more than him, and it rubbed Dilfer wrong. Entitlement has been the biggest question mark against him. Don't get me wrong, the kid looks the part, but it's hard to disregard what scouts and other credible people have said about his character. 

 

 

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

At the Elite 11 camp, he * Dilfer off by complaining about the changes that were made to the playbook. Dilfer said he was cool with being challenged, but Rosen made it a point to act like he knew more than him, and it rubbed Dilfer wrong. Entitlement has been the biggest question mark against him. Don't get me wrong, the kid looks the part, but it's hard to disregard what scouts and other credible people have said about his character. 

 

 

 

A fair amount of these issues are basically 3-4 years old....

 

I'm not aware of any serious incidents at UCLA...

 

The Hot Tub thing blew over quickly.     UCLA said take it down and he did....

 

His comments about paying college players was a bit of a storm for a week or two,  but since most people feel that way,    there wasn't much blow back for that.      That said,   those aren't the kind of comments that NFL teams want their QB making.    They want the QB focused like a laser on the game and ONLY the game.   

 

To be clear,  Rosen is not a bad kid.    Not that I'm aware of at all.    I'm not aware that he is a party boy or anything like that.     But he doesn't help himself with talk of being a successful business man and an executive in the entertainment industry when he's done with football.    NFL types only want to hear about your plans for success in the NFL --- period.

 

Keep the other stuff to yourself.     I guarantee you Andrew Luck has a plan for after his career.    Can anyone here tell me what it is?    I can't.    And that's the point.    Keep the other stuff off the radar and stay focused on football and only football.

 

[GoColts00]

3 hours ago, stitches said:

TEs 40:

 

Durham Smythe 4.86

Ian Thomas 4.75

Jordan Thomas 4.75

David Wells 4.76

Mike Gesicki 4.55->he also jumped 41 inches on the vertical

Mark Andrews 4.59

Marcus Baugh 4.82

Tyler Conklin 4.81

Will Dissly 4.88

Ryan izzo 4.95

Jaylen Samuels 4.64/4.55 -> not a traditional TE, but a moveable piece and weapon... i like him

Dalton Shultz 4.76

Hayden Hurst 4.68

 

I like Samuels also. Great versatility!  He kinda reminded me a little bit of dion lewis, but I've read articles comparing him to Burton (Eagles). If JSam is still on the board at the top of the 3rd I hope the Colts draft him. 

[BOTT]

41 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

At the Elite 11 camp, he * Dilfer off by complaining about the changes that were made to the playbook. Dilfer said he was cool with being challenged, but Rosen made it a point to act like he knew more than him, and it rubbed Dilfer wrong. Entitlement has been the biggest question mark against him. Don't get me wrong, the kid looks the part, but it's hard to disregard what scouts and other credible people have said about his character. 

 

 

That's fair. I just hadn't heard anything specific until now.

[BleedBlu8792]

48 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

A fair amount of these issues are basically 3-4 years old....

 

I'm not aware of any serious incidents at UCLA...

 

The Hot Tub thing blew over quickly.     UCLA said take it down and he did....

 

His comments about paying college players was a bit of a storm for a week or two,  but since most people feel that way,    there wasn't much blow back for that.      That said,   those aren't the kind of comments that NFL teams want their QB making.    They want the QB focused like a laser on the game and ONLY the game.   

 

To be clear,  Rosen is not a bad kid.    Not that I'm aware of at all.    I'm not aware that he is a party boy or anything like that.     But he doesn't help himself with talk of being a successful business man and an executive in the entertainment industry when he's done with football.    NFL types only want to hear about your plans for success in the NFL --- period.

 

Keep the other stuff to yourself.     I guarantee you Andrew Luck has a plan for after his career?     Can anyone here tell me what it is?     I can't.     And that's the point.    Keep the other stuff off the radar and stay focused on football and only football.

 

Absolutely.. I don't want to have what I said be mistaken in that he's a bad kid, but just that the concerns are there. His character seems to be checking out fine so far at the Combine.

[Clem-Dog]

Based on reports and combine results Josh Allen's performance could have elevated his draft stock to the top.  Which is good because if Cleveland prefers him then Dorsey might have to bite the bullet and take him first.    Great to hear Rosen looked the part as well. 

 

Any word on Darnold and/ or Mayfield?

[NewColtsFan]

2 minutes ago, Clem-Dog said:

Based on reports and combine results Josh Allen's performance could have elevated his draft stock to the top.  Which is good because if Cleveland prefers him then Dorsey might have to bite the bullet and take him first.    Great to hear Rosen looked the part as well. 

 

Any word on Darnold and/ or Mayfield?

 

Mayfield looked very good...   and Darnold didn't throw....   he's doing other testing including medical and individual interviews at night...

 

Darnold will throw at his Pro Day and private team workouts ...

 

 

[Finball]

Courtland Sutton had pretty crazy 3 cone and shuttle times for a 6'3 guy.

[HarryTheCat]

14 hours ago, Clem-Dog said:

Based on reports and combine results Josh Allen's performance could have elevated his draft stock to the top.  Which is good because if Cleveland prefers him then Dorsey might have to bite the bullet and take him first.    Great to hear Rosen looked the part as well. 

 

Any word on Darnold and/ or Mayfield?

Allen has a cannon for an arm, and he was dead-on accurate on his throws. He was spinning rockets on the short routes and howitzer shots on the deep ones. There doesn't seem to be a throw that he can't make. I think he may have, at least for the moment, moved himself to the top of the QB class along with Mayfield who showed some good stuff as well. What impresses me about these two is that they came out to compete, even though they could have opted out of throwing until their pro days. I don't know where that leaves Darnold who won't throw until his pro day, along with some of the other highly-touted candidates who had some accuracy problems.