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Superman's 2018 offseason mock (1.1) -- Bleep McDaniels edition

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Version 1.0: http://forums.colts.com/topic/56107-supermans-2018-offseason-mock-10/

(Not completely nullified, but I'm ridding it of any trace of the gutless coward. I'm also modifying some contracts, in light of further consideration.) 

 

 

Numbers from Spotrac and OTC:

Colts cap standing: 2018 projected cap of $178m (7% increase from 2017), rollover of $18m from 2017 = adjusted cap of $196m. As of now, the Colts have $119m committed in 2018, cap space of ~$77m (committed $110m in 2019, projected 2019 cap of $190m)

 

Releases: none

 

Colts FAs: 

Melvin, three years, $22.5m (cap hits $7.5m each year 2018-20)

Vinatieri, two years, $6m fully guaranteed (cap hits $3m each year, 2018-19)

Moncrief, one year, $3m (includes some production / games played incentives)

Mewhort, one year, $2m (includes some games played incentives)

Mingo, one year, $1.5m

Desir, one year, $1.5m

B. Williams, one year, $950K

M. Person, one year, $800K

E. Jackson, ERFA, one year, $600K (:( RIP POUNDCAKE)

L. Rhodes, ERFA, one year $600K

Vujnovich, ERFA, one year, $600K

Milton, ERFA, one year, $600K

Swoope, ERFA, one year, $600K

M. Jones, ERFA, one year, $600K (conflicting reports on him, based on my research I think he's an ERFA)

> Added ~$24.5m to 2018 cap (added $10.5m to 2019 cap, $3m guaranteed)

>> New cap position in 2018 -- $143.5m committed, remaining cap space of $52.5m (committed $120.5m in 2019)

 

Free agent additions:

Andrew Norwell, five years, $65m, $43.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $9m / 2019 $11.5m); starting LG, All Pro in 2017, good in both phases, has gone from UDFA to one of the best guards in the league in four years, he will command 'highest paid guard' money

Anthony Hitchens, four years, $28m, $13m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $6m / 2019 $6.5m); starting MLB, comes with Eberflus from the Cowboys, knows his system, has played all three LB positions, better in coverage than advertised, strong against the run

Dion Lewis, three years, $17m, $5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $4m / 2019 $6m); multi-use weapon well versed in McDaniels' system, good for 200 touches

Cameron Fleming, three years, $14.5m, $4.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $3.5m / 2019 $5m); starting RT, another McDaniels guy, has played multiple positions in NE

Orleans Darkwa, three years, $14m, $3.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $3m / 2019 $5m); starting caliber RB, can handle the lead role if necessary

Jerick McKinnon, three years, $13m, $3.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $3m / 2019 $5m); multi use flex back, part of a somewhat hybrid offense under Shurmur, hasn't shown high level production yet, but good in both phases especially when he's a complementary back

Zach Fulton, three years, $12m, $3m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $3m / 2019 $4m); starting caliber guard, has played multiple positions for the Chiefs

Trey Burton, two years, $7m, $2.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 ($3m / 2019 $4m); flex/move TE who can split out wide, block on the run, and even throw a TD pass or two, comes with Reich

Sam Young, two years, $4m, $2m guaranteed (cap hits $2m); veteran RT who has started a lot of games, not great, but can handle the role

Bradley McDougald, two years, $4m, (cap hits $2m); spot starter at safety, position flexibility, similar to Geathers, filled in for Chancellor and Thomas in 2017

Marcus Smith, one year, $2.5m (with games played / production incentives); rotational DE with some pass rush ability, still young 

Justin Hunter, one year, $2m; WR depth, potential as a starter, red zone option

Michael Schofield, one year, $1.5m; tackle/guard depth/comp, hasn't played well in two stops, but has tools, knows Sirianni

Kellen Clemens, one year, $1.5m; QB depth, knows Reich and Sirianni

Terrence Brooks, one year, $1m; nickel safety prospect, Butler replacement

EJ Manuel, one year, $1m; comes with Peetz from Oakland, competition for QB3

Bene Benwikere, one year, $850K; from Dallas, experience at all corner spots, proven depth, can start in a pinch

Terence Garvin, one year, $850K; ILB from Seattle, experience at multiple positions, plays fast

Matt Tobin, one year, $850K; G/T from Seattle

> Added ~$41.2m in 2018, $40.5m in 2019 ($18m guaranteed)

>> New cap position in 2018 -- ~$185m committed, remaining cap space of $11m (committed $161m in 2019)

 

Draft:

1/3 -- Bradley Chubb, NC State, edge/DE, I think he's a blue chip pass rush prospect, has high level traits that will translate to the pros, great production, just as good against the run, spoken of very highly; assuming we stay at #3, this is the most sensible pick; I don't do trades in my big mock, but that would be my next option, and depending on what happens, we might even be able to get Chubb a couple spots later

2/36 -- Billy Price, Ohio State, C/G, excellent performer in a big conference, mostly played center and was outstanding, good mover, powerful blocker, finishes, plays with great balance and leverage, pulls well, stays busy, good double teamer, handles twists and stunts like a pro; could potentially play guard, but looks like he has shorter arms than ideal; I could envision a scenario in which Ryan Kelly moves over for Price (I thought about changing this pick, and probably will in 2.0, because he's getting more first round buzz than I anticipated, but it's for good reason; keeping the pick for now, because it's not consensus that he'll go Day 1)

3/67 -- RJ McIntosh, Miami, DT, 1-gap interior lineman who thinks he's an edge rusher, can penetrate, has moves including a swin and a spin, quick and active, good motor, chases plays down; plays too upright and loses leverage, gets washed out, can't control two gaps; tenacious, a handful to block when he plays with proper leverage, needs discipline; reminds me of a leaner, quicker Jordan Phillips

4/99 -- Cedrick Wilson, Boise State, WR, big, strong, physical, fast enough, good hands, has some advanced route running ability but needs refinement for details, advanced skills when the ball is in the air, shields the ball, stacks defenders, can go up and get it; sometimes a body catcher but no doubt about his hands which are strong and reliable, quick enough to make defenders miss and rack up YAC, also used as a KR

5/131 -- Fred Warner, BYU, ILB, rangy prospect who can run and hit, has coverage skills, reads/reacts against the run and has sideline speed to close off the corner from the middle of the field; a little small/light; nice Senior Bowl week

6/163 -- Jaylen Dunlap, Illinois, CB, height/weight/speed prospect with a reputation as a leader in college, standout STs player, upside to be a boundary corner

7/195 -- Bentley Spain, North Carolina, T/G; good size, length and movement, lacks strength and power

> Added ~$10m to 2018 cap, $11.5m to 2019 cap

>> New cap position in 2018 -- ~$195m committed, remaining cap space of $1m (committed $173m in 2019)

 

 

Depth chart (draft picks in bold, FA additions in italics, injury returns underlined; new additions in blue italics)

 

 

 

 


QB: Luck, Brissett, Manuel, Clemens, Kaaya

RB: Lewis, Darkwa, McKinnon, Mack, Jones, Turbin, Ferguson

WR: Hilton, Moncrief, Rogers, Hunter, Wilson, Hogan, etc.

TE: Doyle, Burton, Swoope, Williams, Daniels, Travis

LT: AC, Clark, Spain

LG: Norwell, Haeg, Vujnovic

C: Kelly, Price, Person, Bond (Kelly should be fully cleared from his concussion)

RG: Fulton, Good, Mewhort, Glowinski

RT: Fleming, Young, Schofield, Tobin, Burwell, 

 

RDE: Sheard, Basham

NT: Hankins, Woods, Stewart

DT: Anderson, Hunt, Ridgeway, McIntosh (Anderson should be recovered)

LDE: SmithChubb

SLB: Simon, Walker, Garvin (Simon should be recovered)

MLB: Hitchens, George, Morrison

WLB: Mingo, Jackson, Grace, Warner

LCB: Melvin, Desir, Green, Dunlap (Melvin should be recovered)

RCB: Wilson, Milton, White

Nickel: Hairston, Benwikere, Moore

FS: Farley, Hooker, Brooks (not expecting Hooker back until midseason)

SS: Geathers, McDougald, Martin (Geathers has injury history, McDougald can take his place if necessary)

 

P/H: Sanchez

K: Vinatieri

S: Rhodes

 

 

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Supe: Interesting FA decisions. Love the Norwell and Hitchens pick ups. Like the RBs as well. Going FA for RB depth instead of the draft is different approach. As is no premium WR in free agency. I’d like to see Robinson signed personally. I also like the pickup of a TE. I think the Colts will need another good one. Love the first 4 picks in the draft as well. Nice job. 

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Like your mock. One question.

 

At what playing level do you believe your starting OLBs, Simon and Mingo, can play at? They have never played these positions before. Id be a little worried tbh.

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13 hours ago, Luck 4 president said:

Fred warner is from BYU not NC state FYI 

 

Meant to change that, I got mixed up last time. Editing now...

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2 hours ago, Colt Overseas said:

Like your mock. One question.

 

At what playing level do you believe your starting OLBs, Simon and Mingo, can play at? They have never played these positions before. Id be a little worried tbh.

 

I don't think Simon is a good fit, personally. He was a great fit at 3-4 Sam, but I don't think he has the range, change of direction or spatial awareness to play off ball linebacker in a faster scheme.

 

I do think Mingo has those traits. He's an excellent athlete, he has good size, and he's played in space a lot. The Browns even moved him to ILB for an entire season. And his versatility will make him a good blitz option. 

 

Also in the mix at ILB are guys like Walker and George.

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I have not watched tape on prospects, so I can't speak for draft. With the backs you have here, who would be the primary back. Mack? I like it you mock. Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable with this backfield for 2018. I guess were all hoping Mack takes a huge step in year 2.

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7 minutes ago, jseg18 said:

I have not watched tape on prospects, so I can't speak for draft. With the backs you have here, who would be the primary back. Mack? I like it you mock. Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable with this backfield for 2018. I guess were all hoping Mack takes a huge step in year 2.

 

I think Darkwa is an every down back. Mack and McKinnon are more complementary. And I kept Jones because I want another early down option. 

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1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

I think Darkwa is an every down back. Mack and McKinnon are more complementary. And I kept Jones because I want another early down option. 

I'm going to have to watch some of Darkwa from last year. I did not follow the Giants enough to feel comfortable with him as an every down back. Still hoping we find a David Johnson, Kareem Hunt type steal in the mid rounds.

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3 hours ago, Superman said:

 

I don't think Simon is a good fit, personally. He was a great fit at 3-4 Sam, but I don't think he has the range, change of direction or spatial awareness to play off ball linebacker in a faster scheme.

 

I do think Mingo has those traits. He's an excellent athlete, he has good size, and he's played in space a lot. The Browns even moved him to ILB for an entire season. And his versatility will make him a good blitz option. 

 

Also in the mix at ILB are guys like Walker and George.

 

I think Simon could adjust to playing SAM, but I think he'd obviously be much better in the DE rotation. The only bad part of this is that, if Chubb ends up being our guy, Simon is making a "healthy" 5MIL being a back-up DE. He would still be a very quality RDE in this system, it's what he was at Ohio State. I think if Simon and Sheard were to battle for the spot opposite Chubb, and maybe I'm a little biased, but I think Simon would win that spot. I think we'd have a heckuva DE rotation with those 3.

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2 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

I think Simon could adjust to playing SAM, but I think he'd obviously be much better in the DE rotation. The only bad part of this is that, if Chubb ends up being our guy, Simon is making a "healthy" 5MIL being a back-up DE. He would still be a very quality RDE in this system, it's what he was at Ohio State. I think if Simon and Sheard were to battle for the spot opposite Chubb, and maybe I'm a little biased, but I think Simon would win that spot. I think we'd have a heckuva DE rotation with those 3.

 

If we draft Chubb, we could also throw in some NASCAR packages and slide Chubb into the 3 technique, Simon and Sheard on the edge. In a lot of ways, I think Chubb compares to Cameron Jordan. He could play in a lot of different systems. I just don’t foresee him being an elite edge guy. Although if he matches Jordan he would be. 

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I’m curious as to why you crossed off the Patriots players.  Wouldn’t you want to mess with McDbag by stealing his weapons?

 

Lewis, Flemming, even Solder would be some measure of revenge.

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@Superman so do you see Price as a guard or center. I think he is the top center prospect but not sure about him being a slam dunk guard prospect that you take at the top of round 2. I have some questions about him as a prospect at guard. I guess the combine will help with answering those measurables. I just feel like we would be playing him at his second best position. It’s hard to see who will be there at the top of round 2 but I figure one of those nice rb options may still be there for us. Obviously we need help on the  OL but  if we add Norwell I’m not sure I see the fit for Price. With bringing back what we have plus Norwell it just seems a better value might be a rb or a young corner or a DT because I feel like we should see a first rd talent fall to us. 

Love Hutchins addition and wondered what you thought of bringing Johnson in on a 1 yr offer to help mentor to our young guys on defense. I could see him in on run downs. Thanks for the mock...lot to chew on.

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new RT just seen to be projected as a FA is Dolphins Ja'Wuan James (Round 1 Pick 19th in 2014).  Seen his 2017 PFF Grade of 80.0 was #17.  Does well in both Run/Pass blocking.

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On ‎2‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 9:25 PM, Superman said:

Version 1.0: http://forums.colts.com/topic/56107-supermans-2018-offseason-mock-10/

(Not completely nullified, but I'm ridding it of any trace of the gutless coward. I'm also modifying some contracts, in light of further consideration.) 

 

 

Numbers from Spotrac and OTC:

Colts cap standing: 2018 projected cap of $178m (7% increase from 2017), rollover of $18m from 2017 = adjusted cap of $196m. As of now, the Colts have $119m committed in 2018, cap space of ~$77m (committed $110m in 2019, projected 2019 cap of $190m)

 

Releases: none

 

Colts FAs: 

Melvin, three years, $22.5m (cap hits $7.5m each year 2018-20)

Vinatieri, two years, $6m fully guaranteed (cap hits $3m each year, 2018-19)

Moncrief, one year, $3m (includes some production / games played incentives)

Mewhort, one year, $2m (includes some games played incentives)

Mingo, one year, $1.5m

Desir, one year, $1.5m

B. Williams, one year, $950K

M. Person, one year, $800K

E. Jackson, ERFA, one year, $600K (:( RIP POUNDCAKE)

L. Rhodes, ERFA, one year $600K

Vujnovich, ERFA, one year, $600K

Milton, ERFA, one year, $600K

Swoope, ERFA, one year, $600K

M. Jones, ERFA, one year, $600K (conflicting reports on him, based on my research I think he's an ERFA)

> Added ~$24.5m to 2018 cap (added $10.5m to 2019 cap, $3m guaranteed)

>> New cap position in 2018 -- $143.5m committed, remaining cap space of $52.5m (committed $120.5m in 2019)

 

Free agent additions:

Andrew Norwell, five years, $65m, $43.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $9m / 2019 $11.5m); starting LG, All Pro in 2017, good in both phases, has gone from UDFA to one of the best guards in the league in four years, he will command 'highest paid guard' money

Anthony Hitchens, four years, $28m, $13m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $6m / 2019 $6.5m); starting MLB, comes with Eberflus from the Cowboys, knows his system, has played all three LB positions, better in coverage than advertised, strong against the run

Dion Lewis, three years, $17m, $5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $4m / 2019 $6m); multi-use weapon well versed in McDaniels' system, good for 200 touches

Cameron Fleming, three years, $14.5m, $4.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $3.5m / 2019 $5m); starting RT, another McDaniels guy, has played multiple positions in NE

Orleans Darkwa, three years, $14m, $3.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $3m / 2019 $5m); starting caliber RB, can handle the lead role if necessary

Jerick McKinnon, three years, $13m, $3.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $3m / 2019 $5m); multi use flex back, part of a somewhat hybrid offense under Shurmur, hasn't shown high level production yet, but good in both phases especially when he's a complementary back

Zach Fulton, three years, $12m, $3m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 $3m / 2019 $4m); starting caliber guard, has played multiple positions for the Chiefs

Trey Burton, two years, $7m, $2.5m guaranteed (cap hits 2018 ($3m / 2019 $4m); flex/move TE who can split out wide, block on the run, and even throw a TD pass or two, comes with Reich

Sam Young, two years, $4m, $2m guaranteed (cap hits $2m); veteran RT who has started a lot of games, not great, but can handle the role

Bradley McDougald, two years, $4m, (cap hits $2m); spot starter at safety, position flexibility, similar to Geathers, filled in for Chancellor and Thomas in 2017

Marcus Smith, one year, $2.5m (with games played / production incentives); rotational DE with some pass rush ability, still young 

Justin Hunter, one year, $2m; WR depth, potential as a starter, red zone option

Michael Schofield, one year, $1.5m; tackle/guard depth/comp, hasn't played well in two stops, but has tools, knows Sirianni

Kellen Clemens, one year, $1.5m; QB depth, knows Reich and Sirianni

Terrence Brooks, one year, $1m; nickel safety prospect, Butler replacement

EJ Manuel, one year, $1m; comes with Peetz from Oakland, competition for QB3

Bene Benwikere, one year, $850K; from Dallas, experience at all corner spots, proven depth, can start in a pinch

Terence Garvin, one year, $850K; ILB from Seattle, experience at multiple positions, plays fast

Matt Tobin, one year, $850K; G/T from Seattle

> Added ~$41.2m in 2018, $40.5m in 2019 ($18m guaranteed)

>> New cap position in 2018 -- ~$185m committed, remaining cap space of $11m (committed $161m in 2019)

 

Draft:

1/3 -- Bradley Chubb, NC State, edge/DE, I think he's a blue chip pass rush prospect, has high level traits that will translate to the pros, great production, just as good against the run, spoken of very highly; assuming we stay at #3, this is the most sensible pick; I don't do trades in my big mock, but that would be my next option, and depending on what happens, we might even be able to get Chubb a couple spots later

2/36 -- Billy Price, Ohio State, C/G, excellent performer in a big conference, mostly played center and was outstanding, good mover, powerful blocker, finishes, plays with great balance and leverage, pulls well, stays busy, good double teamer, handles twists and stunts like a pro; could potentially play guard, but looks like he has shorter arms than ideal; I could envision a scenario in which Ryan Kelly moves over for Price (I thought about changing this pick, and probably will in 2.0, because he's getting more first round buzz than I anticipated, but it's for good reason; keeping the pick for now, because it's not consensus that he'll go Day 1)

3/67 -- RJ McIntosh, Miami, DT, 1-gap interior lineman who thinks he's an edge rusher, can penetrate, has moves including a swin and a spin, quick and active, good motor, chases plays down; plays too upright and loses leverage, gets washed out, can't control two gaps; tenacious, a handful to block when he plays with proper leverage, needs discipline; reminds me of a leaner, quicker Jordan Phillips

4/99 -- Cedrick Wilson, Boise State, WR, big, strong, physical, fast enough, good hands, has some advanced route running ability but needs refinement for details, advanced skills when the ball is in the air, shields the ball, stacks defenders, can go up and get it; sometimes a body catcher but no doubt about his hands which are strong and reliable, quick enough to make defenders miss and rack up YAC, also used as a KR

5/131 -- Fred Warner, BYU, ILB, rangy prospect who can run and hit, has coverage skills, reads/reacts against the run and has sideline speed to close off the corner from the middle of the field; a little small/light; nice Senior Bowl week

6/163 -- Jaylen Dunlap, Illinois, CB, height/weight/speed prospect with a reputation as a leader in college, standout STs player, upside to be a boundary corner

7/195 -- Bentley Spain, North Carolina, T/G; good size, length and movement, lacks strength and power

> Added ~$10m to 2018 cap, $11.5m to 2019 cap

>> New cap position in 2018 -- ~$195m committed, remaining cap space of $1m (committed $173m in 2019)

 

 

Depth chart (draft picks in bold, FA additions in italics, injury returns underlined; new additions in blue italics)

 

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QB: Luck, Brissett, Manuel, Clemens, Kaaya

RB: Lewis, Darkwa, McKinnon, Mack, Jones, Turbin, Ferguson

WR: Hilton, Moncrief, Rogers, Hunter, Wilson, Hogan, etc.

TE: Doyle, Burton, Swoope, Williams, Daniels, Travis

LT: AC, Clark, Spain

LG: Norwell, Haeg, Vujnovic

C: Kelly, Price, Person, Bond (Kelly should be fully cleared from his concussion)

RG: Fulton, Good, Mewhort, Glowinski

RT: Fleming, Young, Schofield, Tobin, Burwell, 

 

RDE: Sheard, Basham

NT: Hankins, Woods, Stewart

DT: Anderson, Hunt, Ridgeway, McIntosh (Anderson should be recovered)

LDE: SmithChubb

SLB: Simon, Walker, Garvin (Simon should be recovered)

MLB: Hitchens, George, Morrison

WLB: Mingo, Jackson, Grace, Warner

LCB: Melvin, Desir, Green, Dunlap (Melvin should be recovered)

RCB: Wilson, Milton, White

Nickel: Hairston, Benwikere, Moore

FS: Farley, Hooker, Brooks (not expecting Hooker back until midseason)

SS: Geathers, McDougald, Martin (Geathers has injury history, McDougald can take his place if necessary)

 

P/H: Sanchez

K: Vinatieri

S: Rhodes

 

 

I disagree with a couple things here.

 

1) Burton will not sign here. There are too many teams in desperate need of a top talented, pass catching TE. too many suitors means overpay somewhere, however if Burton does come to Indy it means quickly Doyle will be supplanted.  Burton has much higher talent ceiling than Doyle. I see Burton in GB.

 

2) Melvin being re-signed. I don't think this happens. I know he had a great year and both you and I have always agreed that Melvin sucked until he made us both look bad this past season. Given his age and productivity until this past year I think the Colts pass, reluctantly maybe, but still pass.

 

3) Mingo doesn't get re-signed. Purely on his ability to fit the new scheme. I might be wrong but on the surface it doesn't seem a natural fit.

 

4) No QB of name or experience will be signed, unless there really is worry regarding Luck or Colts shop Brissett. Colts have Luck, Brissett, Kayaa( the guy the got off Detroit's PS ) and the practice squad guy from last year, I forget his name. That's all they need.

 

5) Cameron Fleming will be signed. In fact I would argue this is a must signing over Norwell. Fleming is young and high ceiling and we need talent bookends on the O-line

 

6) Darkwa a Hard pass, McKinnon yes definitely take a look, Darkwa is too inconsistent. In a wek Giants backfield couldn't even significantly separate himself. Not worth the money spent even if he was a freebie

 

7) One guy that should be on your list and might be a sleeper pick by Colts, through Ebberflus recommendation, is Brice Butler. High talent ceiling and has incredible numbers when given opportunity to shine. Gladly take a flier on Butler than Hunter. Hunter is true definition of a JAG.

 

8) I'm on the fence about Moncrief. Colts may be forced to re-sign him based on talent pool. If it wasn't so slim I'd let him walk.

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2 hours ago, Indeee said:

I disagree with a couple things here.

 

1) Burton will not sign here. There are too many teams in desperate need of a top talented, pass catching TE. too many suitors means overpay somewhere, however if Burton does come to Indy it means quickly Doyle will be supplanted.  Burton has much higher talent ceiling than Doyle. I see Burton in GB.

 

2) Melvin being re-signed. I don't think this happens. I know he had a great year and both you and I have always agreed that Melvin sucked until he made us both look bad this past season. Given his age and productivity until this past year I think the Colts pass, reluctantly maybe, but still pass.

 

3) Mingo doesn't get re-signed. Purely on his ability to fit the new scheme. I might be wrong but on the surface it doesn't seem a natural fit.

 

4) No QB of name or experience will be signed, unless there really is worry regarding Luck or Colts shop Brissett. Colts have Luck, Brissett, Kayaa( the guy the got off Detroit's PS ) and the practice squad guy from last year, I forget his name. That's all they need.

 

5) Cameron Fleming will be signed. In fact I would argue this is a must signing over Norwell. Fleming is young and high ceiling and we need talent bookends on the O-line

 

6) Darkwa a Hard pass, McKinnon yes definitely take a look, Darkwa is too inconsistent. In a wek Giants backfield couldn't even significantly separate himself. Not worth the money spent even if he was a freebie

 

7) One guy that should be on your list and might be a sleeper pick by Colts, through Ebberflus recommendation, is Brice Butler. High talent ceiling and has incredible numbers when given opportunity to shine. Gladly take a flier on Butler than Hunter. Hunter is true definition of a JAG.

 

8) I'm on the fence about Moncrief. Colts may be forced to re-sign him based on talent pool. If it wasn't so slim I'd let him walk.

 

My mock is only about 20% prediction.

 

1) I don't know why Burton would be opposed to joining the Colts. He's a different TE than Doyle, and there's nothing wrong with having both. The Eagles made it work with Burton, Ertz and Celek. If you think the money isn't right, that's a different story, but his production doesn't merit a big contract at this point. 

 

2) I'm standing firm on Melvin. If he walks for more money, good for him. But he's a good fit for the new defense, I think.

 

3) I might be shoehorning Mingo, but if he goes to his fourth team in four years, he might wind up out of the league.

 

4) Philip Walker is the PS QB you're thinking of, and IMO, he's terrible. Clemens is vet insurance. Kaaya can't be relied on. 

 

5) You're doing a lot of 'sure thing' prognostication... If I had to choose between Norwell and Fleming, I'd choose Norwell without skipping a beat.

 

6) Darkwa was in a timeshare. He'd continue to be in a timeshare.

 

7) Butler is just as much of a JAG as Hunter, which is reflected in the contract offer.

 

8) I'd much rather keep Moncrief for a year in a new system. 

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20 hours ago, That Guy said:

I’m curious as to why you crossed off the Patriots players.  Wouldn’t you want to mess with McDbag by stealing his weapons?

 

Lewis, Flemming, even Solder would be some measure of revenge.

 

I just wanted nothing to do with them. Main reason I mocked them to us, besides need, is familiarity with McDaniels. I was torn between McKinnon and Lewis to begin with.

 

As for Fleming, I'd still like to have him, to be honest. Just decided to make a clean break in this mock.

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18 hours ago, dgambill said:

@Superman so do you see Price as a guard or center. I think he is the top center prospect but not sure about him being a slam dunk guard prospect that you take at the top of round 2. I have some questions about him as a prospect at guard. I guess the combine will help with answering those measurables. I just feel like we would be playing him at his second best position. It’s hard to see who will be there at the top of round 2 but I figure one of those nice rb options may still be there for us. Obviously we need help on the  OL but  if we add Norwell I’m not sure I see the fit for Price. With bringing back what we have plus Norwell it just seems a better value might be a rb or a young corner or a DT because I feel like we should see a first rd talent fall to us. 

Love Hutchins addition and wondered what you thought of bringing Johnson in on a 1 yr offer to help mentor to our young guys on defense. I could see him in on run downs. Thanks for the mock...lot to chew on.

 

Price is definitely at his best at center. He doesn't have to start in Year 1, but I'm seriously open to moving Kelly to guard. 

 

Do you mean Derrick Johnson? I'll pass. The link to Ballard is obvious, but if you want to put together a fast defense, do you want a 35 year old linebacker? 

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12 hours ago, OhioColt said:

new RT just seen to be projected as a FA is Dolphins Ja'Wuan James (Round 1 Pick 19th in 2014).  Seen his 2017 PFF Grade of 80.0 was #17.  Does well in both Run/Pass blocking.

 

I stayed away because of his injury.

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24 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

My mock is only about 20% prediction.

 

1) I don't know why Burton would be opposed to joining the Colts. He's a different TE than Doyle, and there's nothing wrong with having both. The Eagles made it work with Burton, Ertz and Celek. If you think the money isn't right, that's a different story, but his production doesn't merit a big contract at this point. 

 

2) I'm standing firm on Melvin. If he walks for more money, good for him. But he's a good fit for the new defense, I think.

 

3) I might be shoehorning Mingo, but if he goes to his fourth team in four years, he might wind up out of the league.

 

4) Philip Walker is the PS QB you're thinking of, and IMO, he's terrible. Clemens is vet insurance. Kaaya can't be relied on. 

 

5) You're doing a lot of 'sure thing' prognostication... If I had to choose between Norwell and Fleming, I'd choose Norwell without skipping a beat.

 

6) Darkwa was in a timeshare. He'd continue to be in a timeshare.

 

7) Butler is just as much of a JAG as Hunter, which is reflected in the contract offer.

 

8) I'd much rather keep Moncrief for a year in a new system. 

In regards to norwell/fleming sure thing, I believe both are sure things and would gladly have both. I just feel a lot of other teams may offer big for norwell, so fulton and fleming possibly may grant us both needs but again if we can get norwell and fleming I'm all for that.

 

In regards to butler, I 100% believe Butler can be a starter hands down #2 if given a real shot, he's 6'3 220 with an average of 16 yards per catch in very limited time. I'm not sure why Dallas played Williams over him as much as they did. I could be really wrong here but again if given a "real" shot, this guy could be a major steal. hunter would be a 3b or 4 wr at best, I would pass....

 

In regards to Darkwa, I'm assuming you picked him on the contract possibility and not overall talent. Cheap signing. problem is you would get minimal return here, you could get Hill or even Alfred blue around same money and equal more production then Darkwa. My thinking is Colts wont touch any of these guys though.

 

Qb's yea walker was who I was thinking of and yes he's not very good, but Kaaya had to have been at least promised something to come here based on the article written when he was signed so that coupled with Luck being healthy and having Brissett makes me think that signing a vet won't be a priority and might not even be considered until after they see what they have in kaaya or walker in year 2

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23 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

I still dont think Chubb is worth a 3rd overall pick.

Superman had him not even starting.... Which for a 3rd overall pick makes me uneasy. Personally I want who ever we take round 1 to be a starter week 1 . That will still be true even in a trade back scenario.

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1 hour ago, Indeee said:

In regards to Darkwa, I'm assuming you picked him on the contract possibility and not overall talent. Cheap signing. problem is you would get minimal return here, you could get Hill or even Alfred blue around same money and equal more production then Darkwa. My thinking is Colts wont touch any of these guys though.

 

Qb's yea walker was who I was thinking of and yes he's not very good, but Kaaya had to have been at least promised something to come here based on the article written when he was signed so that coupled with Luck being healthy and having Brissett makes me think that signing a vet won't be a priority and might not even be considered until after they see what they have in kaaya or walker in year 2

 

Darkwa is better than Hill or Blue, IMO. I don't want them, I think Darkwa is a solid early down back, though. Not sure why you're so down on him. And Hill is coming off of an interesting ankle surgery, so I stayed away because of that.

 

I watched Kaaya at Miami. He has significant issues with mechanics, accuracy, reading the field, etc. He's a major project, and IMO, shouldn't dress on Sundays. Clemens is a vet who can play if needed, he knows Reich and Sirianni, and he won't rock the boat. He also wouldn't get any guaranteed money, so if Kaaya or Walker looks better than I think they will, you can easily walk away from Clemens.

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2 minutes ago, life long said:

Superman had him not even starting.... Which for a 3rd overall pick makes me uneasy. Personally I want who ever we take round 1 to be a starter week 1 . That will still be true even in a trade back scenario.

 

Why does it matter who starts? I'm more concerned with who plays, and having depth, so we don't have to rely on unproven players. If Chubb is as good as I think he'll be, he'll take the starting job before long.

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4 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Price is definitely at his best at center. He doesn't have to start in Year 1, but I'm seriously open to moving Kelly to guard. 

 

Do you mean Derrick Johnson? I'll pass. The link to Ballard is obvious, but if you want to put together a fast defense, do you want a 35 year old linebacker? 

Yeah and he played in a 3-4. But as a competitor and leader he still is a good player...just losing a step for sure. It was kinda a throw in since our backers have a huge ??? I guess I just don’t like taking a player out of their best position and playing them in another. I’d rather get their full potential...besides I’d be ok starting Person at center if that was the case he played solid last year. Guess I don’t follow the pick unless Price is a sure starter at guard...and he may be...just not sure his athleticism and skills serve him best there. Again thanks for the mock.

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8 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Yeah and he played in a 3-4. But as a competitor and leader he still is a good player...just losing a step for sure. It was kinda a throw in since our backers have a huge ??? I guess I just don’t like taking a player out of their best position and playing them in another. I’d rather get their full potential...besides I’d be ok starting Person at center if that was the case he played solid last year. Guess I don’t follow the pick unless Price is a sure starter at guard...and he may be...just not sure his athleticism and skills serve him best there. Again thanks for the mock.

 

The only question about Price at guard is his arm length. I don't have any concerns about Kelly moving to guard.

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4 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

The only question about Price at guard is his arm length. I don't have any concerns about Kelly moving to guard.

Gotcha...I haven’t been blown away with his play at center (Kelly) Id be even less happy with moving him to guard....but it’s an option I guess.

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Just now, dgambill said:

Gotcha...I haven’t been blown away with his play at center (Kelly) Id be even less happy with moving him to guard....but it’s an option I guess.

 

:scratch:

 

Per PFF, Kelly didn't give up a single sack as a rookie. He dealt with various injuries all year last season. My only complaint with Kelly is availability.

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16 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Why does it matter who starts? I'm more concerned with who plays, and having depth, so we don't have to rely on unproven players. If Chubb is as good as I think he'll be, he'll take the starting job before long.

It doesn't really matter i suppose as long as he gets his playing time. Still i would be happier drafting a guy who is getting 1st team reps week 1. If we drafted Nelson, Fitzpatrick, Barkley, ect... I would be wanting them to start week 1 as well. A third overall pick is too high a pick to have him not starting IMO. No one on the D line should beat out Chubb right? If that is not the case I say trade back. He should start week 1 if he is the pick. Barring injury of course. Depth and a good rotation is needed but a 3rd overall pick is the kind of draft capital i hope we dont see for a long time. Gotta make it count. Still I think no matter who we take, they will be a huge difference maker for the Shoe. I am excited to see what the future brings!

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17 hours ago, life long said:

Superman had him not even starting.... Which for a 3rd overall pick makes me uneasy. Personally I want who ever we take round 1 to be a starter week 1 . That will still be true even in a trade back scenario.

It took roughly 6 weeks before Dwight Freeney started his first game. Sheard and Simon can hold down the DE spots, with Chubb in the rotation, until he's ready to take over full time. As Supe said, it probably wouldn't be long before he's starting permanently. 

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1 hour ago, life long said:

It doesn't really matter i suppose as long as he gets his playing time. Still i would be happier drafting a guy who is getting 1st team reps week 1. If we drafted Nelson, Fitzpatrick, Barkley, ect... I would be wanting them to start week 1 as well. A third overall pick is too high a pick to have him not starting IMO. No one on the D line should beat out Chubb right? If that is not the case I say trade back. He should start week 1 if he is the pick. Barring injury of course. Depth and a good rotation is needed but a 3rd overall pick is the kind of draft capital i hope we dont see for a long time. Gotta make it count. Still I think no matter who we take, they will be a huge difference maker for the Shoe. I am excited to see what the future brings!

 

I'm expecting us to draft a guy who will play out two contracts, at least. I'm not so worried about the first month of his career. I also don't expect him to be a savior for the franchise, so judging that pick on the basis of whether he takes over a starting spot right away isn't part of my evaluation.

 

If it's Chubb, I would want him to be brought along at a pace that allows him to digest the game, adjust to the increased speed, and handle an increased workload gradually. He might only be used in third down packages to begin with. 

 

But I would expect to see him catch on relatively quickly, and have a productive rookie year. I don't think he needs to start right away, although it would be great if he did. Same goes for basically any player we might take at #3.

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4 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I'm expecting us to draft a guy who will play out two contracts, at least. I'm not so worried about the first month of his career. I also don't expect him to be a savior for the franchise, so judging that pick on the basis of whether he takes over a starting spot right away isn't part of my evaluation.

 

If it's Chubb, I would want him to be brought along at a pace that allows him to digest the game, adjust to the increased speed, and handle an increased workload gradually. He might only be used in third down packages to begin with. 

 

But I would expect to see him catch on relatively quickly, and have a productive rookie year. I don't think he needs to start right away, although it would be great if he did. Same goes for basically any player we might take at #3.

I will add to your reply that in reality most all rookie players take time to adjust to the talent level and the speed in the pros. I have heard a few times the results of a draft takes 2-3 years to get the final results. We really don't know which player will be elite his rookie year. Those players can come out of any round taken, not just the first.

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1 hour ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

It took roughly 6 weeks before Dwight Freeney started his first game. Sheard and Simon can hold down the DE spots, with Chubb in the rotation, until he's ready to take over full time. As Supe said, it probably wouldn't be long before he's starting permanently. 

Dwight Freeney was the 11th pick not the 3rd..It's disrespectful to Freeney to mention him in same breath as Chubb..

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2 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Dwight Freeney was the 11th pick not the 3rd..It's disrespectful to Freeney to mention him in same breath as Chubb..

 

In your thread about Okoronkwo didn't you literally call him " a combination of Mathis and Freeney"?

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