McDaniels rejects Colts.

[csmopar]

3 minutes ago, USAFHoosier said:

If that is true then there should be some serious repercussions.  

yeah, there's so little CONFIRMED information at this point, its all just talk but if this is proven true... i see some serious issues that Goodell will have no choice on.  Hell, the Colts may even have legal recourse in the civil courts of that.

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

Maybe a Colts fan at Ruth Chris Steakhouse will put a large dose of ex-lax in McDaniels shrimp cocktail.

dont need that, just a table spoon of dawn dish soap

[aaron11]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

yeah, there's so little CONFIRMED information at this point, its all just talk but if this is proven true... i see some serious issues that Goodell will have no choice on.  Hell, the Colts may even have legal recourse in the civil courts of that.

did he sign a letter of intent or anything?  if not, there may not be much we can do

 

if so, he could  get some type of punishment, possibly just a fine

[Narcosys]

7 minutes ago, USAFHoosier said:

If that is true then there should be some serious repercussions.  

 

There won't be. He punished them enough for deflategate and now will let them off here by destroying the evidence again lol.

[JColts72]

Like to get some reaction from Chris or Jim about all this instead of the blah organization response. The new coaches should sue Josh or Kraft.

[rockywoj]

Just now, aaron11 said:

did he sign a letter of intent or anything?  if not, there may not be much we can do

 

if so, he could  get some type of punishment, possibly just a fine

If there was indeed pen to paper, if I am Irsay I just move forward to bigger and better things ... and in the background I let my legal team sue McDaniels for damages due to breach on contract.  

[csmopar]

4 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

did he sign a letter of intent or anything?  if not, there may not be much we can do

 

if so, he could  get some type of punishment, possibly just a fine

reported on espn radio this morning was he had signed the contract in 2 places and that it'd been sent to the league office already... Now that's just what one reporter with a "league source" said this morning. Take it with a grain of salt. But IF true, yes, breach of contract is civil liable for damages in civil court.

[stitches]

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/268784/all-the-questions-left-for-the-colts-in-the-josh-mcdaniels-fallout

 

According to Schefter the Colts have no legal or league recourse to file grievances. 

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The Colts released a statement saying they were "surprised and disappointed." Do they have any legal recourse?

It's highly unlikely. By all accounts, McDaniels never signed a binding contract. That's why the Colts used the phrase "agreed to terms" in their initial announcement -- a description of what happened, but largely irrelevant from a legal sense. You can't violate a contract you didn't sign.

Does McDaniels' decision to back out violate any league rule?

It doesn't appear that McDaniels broke any rule here. The NFL doesn't recognize moves -- roster adjustments, trades, hirings or firings -- until they are official and approved. From a league perspective, McDaniels never stopped being the Patriots' offensive coordinator. The Colts do not appear to have a platform from which to file a grievance.

So that's it? No consequences?

At least some teams, owners and assistant coaches will wonder if they can trust McDaniels' word. We don't know everything about what happened behind the scenes, but clearly the Colts felt comfortable enough with his commitment to make the announcement. And at least some members of his presumptive coaching staff signed deals to join him.

What happens to those assistants?

Matt Eberflus was slated to be defensive coordinator, Dave DeGuglielmo to be the offensive line coach, Mike Phair to be the defensive line coach and Patriots assistant quarterbacks coach Jerry Schuplinski was also expected to be on McDaniels' staff.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Tuesday night that Eberflus and Phair have already signed their contracts and will stay with the team while working under the new coach. The Colts should be commended for honoring their commitments to those coaches, but it's not an ideal situation given that they weren't brought in by the new head coach-to-be.

How does Andrew Luck factor into this all?

The Colts would be one of the hottest jobs on the market if quarterback Andrew Luck was healthy. That's where part of the problem lies. Nobody knows when Luck will be healthy again. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported on last week's Sunday NFL Countdown that there are doctors who have concerns about whether Luck will need another surgery on his right shoulder.

Luck, the most important member of the organization, missed last season after having right-shoulder surgery in January 2017. He spent six weeks in the Netherlands rehabbing the shoulder late into the year and hadn't thrown a football as of two weeks ago. The team shut him down due to soreness in the middle of October. The Colts, who have missed the playoffs for three straight seasons, will have their rebuilding project set back even further if Luck is forced to miss any extended time. He already has missed 26 games over the past three seasons.

So, where do the Colts go from here?

It's extremely late for Indianapolis to jump back into the coaching market. Of the four known candidates the Colts interviewed before they thought they had McDaniels locked in, none appear to be viable options. Mike Vrabel was hired by the Tennessee Titans and Matt Nagy went to the Chicago Bears, while Matt Rhule decided to stay at Baylor and Kris Richard was fired as defensive coordinator in Seattle.

The Colts could look at a trio of Philadelphia Eagles assistants who were key figures in the team's Super Bowl run -- offensive coordinator Frank Reich, defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz and quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo. General manager Chris Ballard also has connections to Kansas City special teams coordinator Dave Toub; the two worked together with the Chiefs and the Chicago Bears.

The reality is that Ballard and the Colts are in a scramble with the combine just three weeks away. There's not exactly a cupboard full of candidates at this point.

 

 

[csmopar]

3 minutes ago, JColts72 said:

Like to get some reaction from Chris or Jim about all this instead of the blah organization response. The new coaches should sue Josh or Kraft.

I imagine we will once the dust settles.  I mean this broke about 7-ish last night.  Not a good thing to get a detailed response in the heat of them moment.  but we'll hear something.  No way Irsay stays quiet after just being flat out embarrassed like this

[King Colt]

"Where, where are you tonight?

Why did you leave me here all alone?

I searched the world over and thought I found true love,

but you found another and f-f-f-f-f-t, you wuz gone."

 

P,S. Maybe now this site will remove the NE Patriot symbol for its selections of Emoticons ?

[King Colt]

6 minutes ago, csmopar said:

reported on espn radio this morning was he had signed the contract in 2 places and that it'd been sent to the league office already... Now that's just what one reporter with a "league source" said this morning. Take it with a grain of salt. But IF true, yes, breach of contract is civil liable for damages in civil court.

He signed nothing

[King Colt]

16 minutes ago, csmopar said:

yeah, there's so little CONFIRMED information at this point, its all just talk but if this is proven true... i see some serious issues that Goodell will have no choice on.  Hell, the Colts may even have legal recourse in the civil courts of that.

See Above

[csmopar]

Just now, King Colt said:

See Above

I saw it.  Like I said prior, it was one reporter with a "league source" that was saying it.  I merely repeated it.

[aaron11]

this is a mess.  we hired OC and DC already, now we need to find a coach to fit in with them

 

the good candidates are taken and the combine is just weeks away 

[Gramz]

Meh.....    None of this changes the fact that they just lost the SB. 

 

I really have to   laugh about it....    All the hype of   "Tom vs. Time" for two weeks  leading up to the SB,  combined with the fact that they were secretly conniving to trick and embarrass our franchise...

 

it is still sweet poetic justice that they LOST  to a backup QB.    I will continue to celebrate that turn of events as opposed to the topic of the day...   a mere defelection   designed to take away from the fact that Karma bit them in the you know what.

 

[Mel Kiper's Hair]

38 minutes ago, HeSoColt said:

I guess one way to look at it... at least this clown show told us now he was not all in. Sure, I want to kick him in the nads, but maybe we are seeing that he has not matured.

 

Where to look now is the magic question? Why would any candidate jump to interview now? They would be like the 7th pick. They would have to know that they are not the first choice by any stretch of the imagination.

 

I really don't understand why people think coaches aren't going to want to interview or take this job. I've said it before there are only 32 of these jobs in the whole world. I would almost guarantee that Ballard's phone has been ringing constantly since this news came out from agents whose clients want to be considered for this job. Yes,  McDaniels did us dirty, but my god it isn't the end of the world. There are all kinds of bright football minds out there. We will find our guy. Sure, McDaniels was our 1st choice but just because someone wasn't the 1st it doesn't mean that people won't still want this job.

[Dingus McGirt]

5 minutes ago, Gramz said:

Meh.....    None of this changes the fact that they just lost the SB. 

 

I really have to   laugh about it....    All the hype of   "Tom vs. Time" for two weeks  leading up to the SB,  combined with the fact that they were secretly conniving to trick and embarrass our franchise...

 

it is still sweet poetic justice that they LOST  to a backup QB.    I will continue to celebrate that turn of events as opposed to the topic of the day...   a mere defelection   designed to take away from the fact that Karma bit them in the you know what.

 

Agreed, Gramz.  I lost count of how many times, last week - in the lead up to the "Big Game" - I heard someone on NFL Network, ESPN and Mad Dog Radio utter the descriptive "The Standard Bearer" of the NFL.

[HeSoColt]

Just now, Mel Kiper's Hair said:

 

I really don't understand why people think coaches aren't going to want to interview or take this job. I've said it before there are only 32 of these jobs in the whole world. I would almost guarantee that Ballard's phone has been ringing constantly since this news came out from agents whose clients want to be considered for this job. Yes,  McDaniels did us dirty, but my god it isn't the end of the world. There are all kinds of bright football minds out there. We will find our guy. Sure, McDaniels was our 1st choice but just because someone wasn't the 1st it doesn't mean that people won't still want this job.

 

Sure, folks will interview, but it has to mean something to know that you were not one of the first seven choices. Maybe, I am way off base, but that has to mean something.

Is it a good job to have? If Luck is healthy, it is fabulous. If Luck is not, it's not a great job to have.

[csmopar]

8 minutes ago, Gramz said:

Meh.....    None of this changes the fact that they just lost the SB. 

 

I really have to   laugh about it....    All the hype of   "Tom vs. Time" for two weeks  leading up to the SB,  combined with the fact that they were secretly conniving to trick and embarrass our franchise...

 

it is still sweet poetic justice that they LOST  to a backup QB.    I will continue to celebrate that turn of events as opposed to the topic of the day...   a mere defelection   designed to take away from the fact that Karma bit them in the you know what.

 

good points

 

 

1 minute ago, Mel Kiper's Hair said:

 

I really don't understand why people think coaches aren't going to want to interview or take this job. I've said it before there are only 32 of these jobs in the whole world. I would almost guarantee that Ballard's phone has been ringing constantly since this news came out from agents whose clients want to be considered for this job. Yes,  McDaniels did us dirty, but my god it isn't the end of the world. There are all kinds of bright football minds out there. We will find our guy. Sure, McDaniels was our 1st choice but just because someone wasn't the 1st it doesn't mean that people won't still want this job.

you're probably right.

[csmopar]

3 minutes ago, HeSoColt said:

 

Sure, folks will interview, but it has to mean something to know that you were not one of the first seven choices. Maybe, I am way off base, but that has to mean something.

Is it a good job to have? If Luck is healthy, it is fabulous. If Luck is not, it's not a great job to have.

perhaps it'll motivate someone to be even better that before?  just a random thought

[HeSoColt]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

perhaps it'll motivate someone to be even better that before?  just a random thought

 

I guess we can hope for that. Although, it sounds like its most likely going to be all new candidates that were not on the interview wish list.

 

Perhaps it pisses the next coach off that clown show Josh did all of this and he comes in with a vengeance.

[crazycolt1]

2 minutes ago, HeSoColt said:

 

I guess we can hope for that. Although, it sounds like its most likely going to be all new candidates that were not on the interview wish list.

 

Perhaps it pisses the next coach off that clown show Josh did all of this and he comes in with a vengeance.

Somehow I don't want our next head coach giving a rats behind about McDaniels.  He will have enough on his plate to worry at all about this issue.

[Yoshinator]

What the heck just happened? I get back from the casino and McDaniels bails? Wow... We are basically up a creek as far as everything goes: HC, coaching staff, FA's. We better get the Pats entire draft class this year as compensation. I'd like something to happen to McDaniels, but Nadine will perma-ban me if I go off on here, so I will keep my mouth shut.

[Turftoe]

I just heard about this when I got up this morning.  Holy cow.

 

Having not read all 30 pages, here's my thoughts:

 

1. McDaniels has really poisoned a lot of wells.  Not only his own reputation and integrity as a future potential head coach, but also among other coaches.  If reports are accurate, we've signed some assistants he wanted - he has just left those guys out to dry.  Who knows what this means for these assistants?  There's no guarantee that they'll fit in or be wanted by the eventual head coach.  Also, if the NE special teams coach was coming with him, that guy may now be persona non grata for the Patriots organization.  I can see no one wanting to put their full trust in JM in the future.

 

2. If (big) IF, there was a formal agreement, the NFL has to do something.  Because of their silly rule that you can't sign a new coach until after the SB, the potential (and now reality) is that a franchise can be severely impacted.  If nothing was signed, I'd guess we're SOL.  Whatever the case, the Colts are in a major "pickle" right now.

 

3. Unless a new, high profile assistant comes forward with interest, this is going to be a disaster for our team.  Fans will feel that we got an undesired coach (rightfully or not), and we could be stuck with another lackluster coach for several seasons.

 

[dgambill]

2 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

 

If Rhule left Baylor for the Colts now, he would be doing exactly what McDaniels did. Do you really want to hire someone who committed to one job and backed out? He would never be trusted. 

 

McDaniels is a real jerk and really screwed the team over. But I think he did the Colts a favor. The Colts deserve better.

If I'm not mistaken the Colts interviewed him but didn't extend the job offer. I fully 100% believe if offered the job he would have taken it. I think he accessed his chances of having the job after the interview and found out he wasn't the top target and withdrew his name. It makes a lot of sense because he has kids making commitments. That said everyone knows its a huge promotion to go from college to the pros. Just like these assistants leave their teams for promotions there is no hard feelings. Obviously giving your word, hiring your staff, then backing out....is very much different. This wouldn't be Matt doing that. He never was offered a job to turn down. Obviously he was very interested since he took the interview to begin with. The University couldn't cry foul...he informed them he intended to interview...its common knowledge someone would accept an NFL head coaching position if offered. Only a few of the elite that are getting paid NFL money would stay and only those at an elite program. I don't see it as the same. He wouldn't have changed his mind or gone back on his word...the Colts imo turned him down and would then be changing their mind. Don't get me wrong...he probably wouldn't come...but doesn't mean I don't want him (for my own selfish reasons) because I've been really impressed with him and how coaches his players and how his men grow.

[aaron11]

15 minutes ago, HeSoColt said:

 

Sure, folks will interview, but it has to mean something to know that you were not one of the first seven choices. 

its not ideal

 

plus the guys that are left are second rate compared to the first choices 

 

not a great spot for us to be in right now

[HeSoColt]

And now a report that his agent told him he was making the biggest mistake of his life, by backing out of the Colts job. What a little DB.

[dgambill]

8 hours ago, NorthernBlue said:

I like Rhule, and he's got his work cut out for him in Baylor, but how are you supposed to sell your fanbase from 'the top coaching candidate in the cycle' to someone whose coming off a 1-11 season?

Just listen to the guy speak...about his players, about hard work, preparation, about life....and then look at the results he had at Temple....taking 2 and 3 star kids and turning it into a winning program with these kids going on to the NFL....and not just that but now those players are team captains they are that highly respected. He is a leader of men. Just let him talk and he will win over fans. In the end winning games will do all the selling needed.

[crazycolt1]

I could be wrong but I think Kraft and McDaniels done stepped in some deep horse dung.

If McDaniels did sign anything as reported then the Colts will get something from the Pats.  Once again, the patriots will be the most fined team in the league keeping their place in history.

[csmopar]

8 minutes ago, HeSoColt said:

And now a report that his agent told him he was making the biggest mistake of his life, by backing out of the Colts job. What a little DB.

Link?

[Surge89]

10 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Good post.

 

Two points:

 

1) Bad Morty is a Pats fan. Your inclination about him is obviously correct.

 

2) Any 'promises' between JM and the Colts prior to Monday would not be relevant, as they would be in direct violation of league rules. But that speaks to why the NFL needs to adjust the way head coaches are hired. This hurts other assistants in similar situations.

 

I agree with the rest for sure.

 

Appreciate the insight. 

 

Sorry morty I didn't know. 

 

I'm aware in the context of the rule. I was solely responding to the statement of the damage done being dismissed. 

[HeSoColt]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

Link?

 

I saw it posted on twitter a handful of times.

[Yehoodi]

7 hours ago, Narcosys said:

@Yehoodi

 

Are you that dense?! Enough time to find another coach? Oh ya sure, we can get another coach but we missed out on getting a quality coach because they are all gone. From my perspective, this was the Patriots play all along, to leave us with nobody of worth and make us wait for as long as possible. To ensure we get nobody. Wouldn't put past your spiteful organization for this to be retaliation for deflategate. Journalists and other people, like myself, saw this was a possibility.

 

 

Edit: Which some articles are already claiming its possible retaliation now that I'm reading more about it

 

 

 

Well not all of the coaches are taken . . . it is my understanding that the colts only interviewed 6 coaches including Josh.  Surely, they stopped after Josh indicated that he was coming. 

 

The colts interviewed Matt Nagy, Matt Rhule, Kris Richards, Dave Toub and Mike Vrabel.   Nagy was hired by the Bears before the colts even interviewed with Josh.  I heard through the grapevine that Vrabel did not want the job in Indy.  True Richards took a job in Dallas.  But that still leaves Rhule and Toub available to be hired by the colts.  

 

So other than Richards, the colts interviewees were not coming to the colts anyways or are still available. 

 

And agreed the colts would of stopped interviewing after they got the sense that Josh agreed.  Even then one still needs to look at what coaches would the Colts have interviewed that are not presently available, in another words ones that took new jobs and would have agreed to be the coach.   

 

I agree it is a shock, but one would guess that the colts had a 2nd and 3rd choice in line.  

 

I think it would be better to see how this plays out before we can get an assessment on the level of damage to the colts.  

 

The larger issue is maybe the NFL should relook at the rule of allowing teams to interview with coaches that are still in the playoffs and perhaps wait till their season is over.  Sometimes coach/teams have a better time to look at things once their season is over and then they might have a clearer view and may change their minds.   

 

 

[LSD9402]

12 minutes ago, HeSoColt said:

And now a report that his agent told him he was making the biggest mistake of his life, by backing out of the Colts job. What a little DB.

 

 I'm sure his agent advised against it, but how would anyone know this? I'm sure the agent wouldn't say anything that's gonna bring more negative heat down on Mcdummy.

[Fisticuffs111]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915202/article/josh-mcdaniels-agent-told-him-he-was-making-mistake

Even Ballard/McDaniels' agent tried to tell McDaniels he was messing up.

 

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Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.

 

[csmopar]

8 minutes ago, Yehoodi said:

 

Well not all of the coaches are taken . . . it is my understanding that the colts only interviewed 6 coaches including Josh.  Surely, they stopped after Josh indicated that he was coming. 

 

The colts interviewed Matt Nagy, Matt Rhule, Kris Richards, Dave Toub and Mike Vrabel.   Nagy was hired by the Bears before the colts even interviewed with Josh.  I heard through the grapevine that Vrabel did not want the job in Indy.  True Richards took a job in Dallas.  But that still leaves Rhule and Toub available to be hired by the colts.  

 

So other than Richards, the colts interviewees were not coming to the colts anyways or are still available. 

 

And agreed the colts would of stopped interviewing after they got the sense that Josh agreed.  Even then one still needs to look at what coaches would the Colts have interviewed that are not presently available, in another words ones that took new jobs and would have agreed to be the coach.   

 

I agree it is a shock, but one would guess that the colts had a 2nd and 3rd choice in line.  

 

I think it would be better to see how this plays out before we can get an assessment on the level of damage to the colts.  

 

The larger issue is maybe the NFL should relook at the rule of allowing teams to interview with coaches that are still in the playoffs and perhaps wait till their season is over.  Sometimes coach/teams have a better time to look at things once their season is over and then they might have a clearer view and may change their minds.   

 

 

we did NOT interview Toub...

[coltsfan77]

Just putting this out there. First of all, never really wanted an expatriot coaching the colts, but that has already been discussed throughout this thread. This is what I am wondering.  Reports last week had Luck going to LA  to work with Brady's throwing form technician. Thought maybe that was suggested by JM and if so maybe he is getting not so good news about Luck. Hope I am totally off on this but makes me wonder. Anyway good riddance the little boy!

[Defjamz26]

This was vindictive. I’m not sure if it would hold any ground, but the Patriots should be looked at for tampering. This was done on purpose. Kraft had plenty of time to offer him a new deal. He knew since late December he was probably taking the Colts job. Instead he waits until the Colts other top candidates have been hired and he agreed to terms with us. He could’ve even done it on Monday. Ultimately it was the scumbag MD who made the decision, but this was done with malicious intent. We had coaches in place and everything. I didn’t have much left, but I’ve lost all respect for Kraft and that entire organization. How absolutely disgusting. 

[Fluke_33]

To take this conspiracy theory further, i just read Jacob Tamme suggested that Belichick just picked out DC for us.  

 

[Mr.Debonair]

1 minute ago, Fluke_33 said:

To take this conspiracy theory further, i just read Jacob Tamme suggested that Belichick just picked out DC for us.  

 

Which one lol