If the Colts go to a 4-3, give me your best NASCAR package candidates in rounds 2 and later

[chad72]

I truly believe that if you have depth in the DL, you should be able to handle an opponents' pace of execution well.

 

I am sure a lot of you here watch college football closer than I do. I do not anticipate Maurice Hurst to be there at our second round pick. If not him, who do you think would fit our 4-3 UT role that can rush the passer from the inside and shed blocks well enough vs the run in rounds 2 and later? We would need more of that kind if we play the elite QBs like Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben etc.

 

Thoughts???

[Archer]

NASCAR package?  What’s the s’posed to mean?

[chad72]

27 minutes ago, Archer said:

NASCAR package?  What’s the s’posed to mean?

 

The G-men used that term to play undersized DTs in the middle to win with quickness against bigger linemen against teams that they felt would pass more than run. They did it in both SBs with JPP, Justin Tuck etc. vs Brady in 2007 & 2011. The fumble that was forced against Brady also employed a package similar to the NASCAR package, using Brandon Graham inside. 

 

In other words, excellent 1-gap UTs with lightning quickness to shoot gaps primarily but also enough strength to play inside. Is that a bit more clear?  

[Barry Sears]

38 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

The G-men used that term to play undersized DTs in the middle to win with quickness against bigger linemen against teams that they felt would pass more than run. They did it in both SBs with JPP, Justin Tuck etc. vs Brady in 2007 & 2011. The fumble that was forced against Brady also employed a package similar to the NASCAR package, using Brandon Graham inside. 

 

In other words, excellent 1-gap UTs with lightning quickness to shoot gaps primarily but also enough strength to play inside. Is that a bit more clear?  

 

I was gonna say the Intimidator and the King

[Boiler_Colt]

Nascar package usually refers to when you sub out your DT's and put 4 DE's on the line and just rush the passer on third and longs.

 

Say we sign Ansah and still draft Chubb. Then you can use a combo of Ansah, Chubb, Simon, and Sheard on the line in 3rd and long. Chubb can probably kick in over the guard and Simon is good rushing up the middle from a stand up position.

[chad72]

30 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:

Nascar package usually refers to when you sub out your DT's and put 4 DE's on the line and just rush the passer on third and longs.

 

Say we sign Ansah and still draft Chubb. Then you can use a combo of Ansah, Chubb, Simon, and Sheard on the line in 3rd and long. Chubb can probably kick in over the guard and Simon is good rushing up the middle from a stand up position.

 

I like how you think. Sometimes the G-men did it for more than 3rd and longs. 

 

 

 

[DougDew]

3 hours ago, chad72 said:

I truly believe that if you have depth in the DL, you should be able to handle an opponents' pace of execution well.

 

I am sure a lot of you here watch college football closer than I do. I do not anticipate Maurice Hurst to be there at our second round pick. If not him, who do you think would fit our 4-3 UT role that can rush the passer from the inside and shed blocks well enough vs the run in rounds 2 and later? We would need more of that kind if we play the elite QBs like Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben etc.

 

Thoughts???

I agree.  Its becoming increasingly clear to me that the position of elite edge rusher is becoming obsolete.  Good offenses simply get rid of the ball too quickly, and it takes too long for a defender to bend around the edge, and they get gassed by the 4th quarter.  A pass rush from the middle gets to the QB quicker. 

 

After watching the SB, I'm all for passing on Chubb and Barkley, two positions where "elitism" is wasted.

 

How about trading for Aaron Donald....

[Four2itus]

Ahh, but you have to be stout enough up front to get to 3rd and long. 

[GoColts00]

Josh Sweat, Tyquan Lewis, Ja'Von Rolland-Jones

[Crunked]

I think Henry Anderson is our "Graham" in a Nascar package, flanked on each end by Sheard and Chubb hopefully...

[dgambill]

I actually thought Margus Hunt showed some flashes late in the year...he was very disruptive at times and I think he could help give us a pass rush presence from the interior. My favorite round 2 guy if he would fall to us was Da'ron Payne out of Alabama. He is basically a 1 tech but I think he can give us a pass rush from the interior. His playoff performances against Georgia and Clemson were just jaw dropping....unblockable. He got to the qb..he blew up run plays...he was all over the field...he caught TD pass...had an INT....what's not to love. Right now he is a late first round guy but things could shake out after combines etc. I expect him to test well. His issue was that he didn't do it all year...so is he motivated....but he has the talent! If he is there in round 2 I take him.

 

But yeah...Nascar...that would be like Chubb, Sheard, Hunt, Simon (assuming we take Chubb in the draft). You could throw Basham in the rotation as well. I also like Hunt because he is tall and even if he gets stone walled can deflect passes. I would be very surprised if we land another edge rusher in the draft especially if we take Chubb. If he is off the board then I think it might be til round 3 or so before we roll the dice on one...say Frazier of Missouri or Carter from Georgia. Hard to tell...outside of Chubb and Davenport early there is a lot of question marks at the edge positon for me in this draft.

[bhougland]

3 hours ago, dgambill said:

outside of Chubb and Davenport early there is a lot of question marks at the edge positon for me in this draft.

After davenports senior day, I can't help but think he is overrated.  I'm not sure he won a one on one drill even one time.  

[ty4atd]

Hassan Ridgeway could fit in nicely as a UT on in our new scheme. Woods and Hankins on 1st down in our base D and rotate Anderson, Hunt and Ridgeway gives us good depth on the inside. If we pass on Chubb in round 1 someone like Sam Hubbard if he drops to our pick in round 2 and kick him or Scheard inside with Simon as the other DE.  A sleeper player I like is Jalyn Holmes he could be a great UT in a nascar package.

[Indy Fan]

I wonder if Hercules Mata’afa is big enough. He has good initial burst and played interior in college.

[FalseStart]

Hurst DT MICHIGAN, Bryant DT UF, Hand BAMA DT, Hubbard DE OSU, Frazier OLB MIZZ, Lewis DE OSU

[GoColts00]

I got Tyquan Lewis correct anyway..

[rock8591]

Turay, Lewis, Basham, Sheard