RUMOR: Possible Important Luck Health Update....

[NewColtsFan]

3 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

 

Kind of the same thread no ? The poster that you copied and sated said that this information came as a result of Nagy telling someone in the KC organization that "this or that " was the reason he went to Chicago rather than Indy ? If all of what he said was true , it would make me believe we offered Nagy the job. 

 

Why would it make you believe we offered Nagy the job?       I don't see that.

 

At some point in a half-day interview,  the topic of Luck's health surely came up.    And Ballard revealed things to Nagy that he doesn't reveal to the media or most anyone else.

 

Nagy shares that with KC friends....     it eventually leaks out.

 

I don't see the issue as being the same as a leaked story, likely from the Coaches agent, which claimed the Colts were "hot" for Nagy,  followed quickly by a different story where a coaching friend of Nagy's, Brad Childress,  said ON THE RECORD that Nagy was far more comfortable with the Chicago interview and didn't feel comfortable at all with the Indy interview.     That second story seems far more credible.    It has a source's name and he's a fellow coach and close friend of Nagy.    

 

Not sure how you arrived at your position......?

 

[dw49]

4 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Why would it make you believe we offered Nagy the job?       I don't see that.

 

At some point in a half-day interview,  the topic of Luck's health surely came up.    And Ballard revealed things to Nagy that he doesn't reveal to the media or most anyone else.

 

Nagy shares that with KC friends....     it eventually leaks out.

 

I don't see the issue as being the same as a leaked story, likely from the Coaches agent, which claimed the Colts were "hot" for Nagy,  followed quickly by a different story where a coaching friend of Nagy's, Brad Childress,  said ON THE RECORD that Nagy was far more comfortable with the Chicago interview and didn't feel comfortable at all with the Indy interview.     That second story seems far more credible.    It has a source's name and he's a fellow coach and close friend of Nagy.    

 

Not sure how you arrived at your position......?

 

 This line from the post gave me that impression..."  He has heard that Nagy said that he went to chicago because he was told that lucks shoulder still has no blood flow.

 

It would lead me to believe that as I read it to say that's why he went to Chicago "rather than going to Indy. " But it's possible your correct , it's all in how you read that post. 

[dw49]

3 hours ago, RollerColt said:

Not saying this is true for all posters, but it’s very easy, especially right now with our fan base as vulnerable as it is, to create an account and then make claims about bad news on Andrew Luck.

 

They could be right, they could be telling the truth. But I will say this: I have seen this happen quite often in the Amusement Park online community, with posters claiming insider access to “new rides”.

 

I’m taking this with a grain of salt and not worrying about it. If this is all true and we have to move on then so be it at this point, I’ll give this poster their due credit. 

 

 

Totally with you on this. Plus it's been reported that if there is a continuing issue , it's his bicep and not shoulder. What would be the reason for lying ? But things could have changed or been mis-reported a while ago. Who knows ? I'm worried about Luck being Luck again but this report has little to do with it.

[JColts72]

Better get a qb at 3.

[IndyScribe]

I think you should pay more attention to the various tweets that came out today than the person you quoted in the OP.

[crazycolt1]

30 minutes ago, JColts72 said:

Better get a qb at 3.

If McDaniel's does decide to come to Indy with the knowledge Luck may or may not be 100% he already knows Brissett is on the roster. He does know Brissett and his abilities.

With that said picking a QB with the 3rd pick may not even enter into the Colts plans.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, dw49 said:

 This line from the post gave me that impression..."  He has heard that Nagy said that he went to chicago because he was told that lucks shoulder still has no blood flow.

 

It would lead me to believe that as I read it to say that's why he went to Chicago "rather than going to Indy. " But it's possible your correct , it's all in how you read that post. 

Fair post...    all in how you read that passage....     I didn't see it as a literal, we offered and Nagy rejected...    only that Nagy was in contention and he felt far more comfortable with the Chicago scenario...

 

He didn't see the reason to stay in the hunt for the Indy job when Chicago was ready to offer and have Nagy pull the trigger and commit.

 

By the way, I'm very pleased that we apparently got McDaniels to pick the Colts over the Titans.   I feared we were going to get screwed by a late offer from Tennessee.

 

[dw49]

2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Fair post...    all in how you read that passage....     I didn't see it as a literal, we offered and Nagy rejected...    only that Nagy was in contention and he felt far more comfortable with the Chicago scenario...

 

He didn't see the reason to stay in the hunt for the Indy job when Chicago was ready to offer and gave Nagy pull the trigger and commit.

 

By the way, im very pleased that we apparently got McDanueks to pick the Colts over the Titans.    I feared we were going to get screwed by a late offer from Tennessee.

 

 

Your probably more correct than I am by saying Nagy could have just been leaking info without being offered the job. But there was a rumor that said both the bears and us offered him the job , so maybe were both about "balanced" for being right. I'm hoping that the truth of the matter is it's just not true and maybe McDaniels was not told anything like that  ? If he were , maybe he would have gambled and waited before "deciding" on the Colts. 

[throwing BBZ]

17 hours ago, NorthernBlue said:

Okay wait. I'm not a doctor, but if that's true, that means back in October he was throwing 40 yards with no blood flow in his shoulder? Is that even a thing that a human can do? Unless it happened AFTER he started throwing? In which case whatever setback he suffered was SO bad that he went from 40 yard throws....to no blood in his ENTIRE shoulder 4 months later.....

 

Iunno maybe I'm just dumb but that sounds pretty far fetched to me.....

 

 Thanks for the laugh. You turn some proposed blood flow issue in the shoulder to Entire.
YOU are a great place to start a  rumor. I hope you told that to some co-workers, friends. 

[Valpo2004]

6 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Ok.....    that's fair...

 

But let me ask you this...   do you have the same skepticism, the same standard when the news is good?   News you like?

 

Just asking....

 

 

Yeah pretty much.  I may not go into every thread and say that I am skeptical of news from posters friends and family but I'm usually pretty skeptical of it.

 

Honestly that's far I can't think of one time where a poster has made the right call based on rumors they've heard from friends and family.

[RollerColt]

1 hour ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Yeah pretty much.  I may not go into every thread and say that I am skeptical of news from posters friends and family but I'm usually pretty skeptical of it.

 

Honestly that's far I can't think of one time where a poster has made the right call based on rumors they've heard from friends and family.

Well said. And there’s no such thing as unbiased news.

[hoosierhawk]

8 hours ago, Narcosys said:

 

They identified labrum fraying during preseason of 2016. When something is frayed, you don't keep using it over and over. If you don't want to tear it entirely, you fix it. But they didn't. How else would you define incompetence then if this isn't a clear example of it?

 

Furthermore, do you want to clarify as to what you're statement means?

I would define it as some one on the internet acting like they know it all, especially more than trained doctors and Luck who know more than anyone about his own body. 

[Malakai432]

Theoretically if it is a blood flow issue, would another surgery not rectify it?  If so wouldn’t it be better to do it sooner rather than later?  

[Dark Superman]

The best news regarding Andrew Luck's health came today when Josh Mcdaniels agreed to be the Colts HC.

 

[Coltsfanforlife12]

4 hours ago, dw49 said:

 This line from the post gave me that impression..."  He has heard that Nagy said that he went to chicago because he was told that lucks shoulder still has no blood flow.

 

It would lead me to believe that as I read it to say that's why he went to Chicago "rather than going to Indy. " But it's possible your correct , it's all in how you read that post. 

First of all I can’t believe we are still talking about this.... If the dude had no blood flow in his shoulder he wouldn’t have an arm... second of all... with Nagy it’s been reported as nauseoum that we didn’t offer him a job.  We told he was a candidate and had other interviews to complete.  The way Childress words his response leads me to believe that while Nagy may have been more comfortable in his interview it was because he felt like “heh these guys want me where over in Indy I’m just another candidate.” 

[dw49]

51 minutes ago, Coltsfanforlife12 said:

First of all I can’t believe we are still talking about this.... If the dude had no blood flow in his shoulder he wouldn’t have an arm... second of all... with Nagy it’s been reported as nauseoum that we didn’t offer him a job.  We told he was a candidate and had other interviews to complete.  The way Childress words his response leads me to believe that while Nagy may have been more comfortable in his interview it was because he felt like “heh these guys want me where over in Indy I’m just another candidate.” 

 

 

If you read my posts , I never said we offered Nagy the job. What I said is the guy that claimed this all to be true  , IMO INSINUATED  that he was offered the Colt and took the Bear job because he didn't trust Luck's health going forward. Nor did I say that I believed this was a reliable source or report . In fact I've said that the reports we have received say nothing about a "shoulder-bloodflow " issue but instead a bicep injury could be the major concern going forward. 

[Narcosys]

11 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Which you don't have the information, expertise, or authority to say.

 

 

No. You said they identified the frayed labrum in the preseason of 2016, and posted a report from that timeframe. I said you don't know when they identified, because you don't. It could have been identified well before then, and their imaging may have led them to believe that there was no risk of further injury and he would be fine to play with it. Again, point being you don't know what they knew or when, or to what extent there was even damage at that point.

 

 

It's amazing that you think a team of medical professionals didn't consider the risk of further damage and advise the patient accordingly. 

 

 

Stop it. You're either ignoring the fact that medical professionals evaluated him and cleared him to play, or pretending that you are better qualified to make the decisions that they are trained to make. I'm not changing my argument at all, as I said originally, you don't know when they identified the frayed labrum, or the extent of the damage, or what the treatment plan was. You only know when it was reported.

 

 

You say that with the benefit of hindsight. Luck wouldn't be the first QB to play through a labrum injury and not require surgery.

 

 

Says the guy on the Internet, who isn't a shoulder specialist (I'm assuming, but feel comfortable in that assumption), hasn't seen Luck's scans, doesn't know the extent of his injury or whether his injury got worse over time, didn't examine or evaluate him, didn't monitor his progression, isn't aware of how much pain or discomfort he was experiencing, etc. You are simply not qualified to make that determination. 

 

 

He had a setback. It happens. It's not necessarily anyone's fault.

 

 

So you reached the conclusion that Luck's career was in jeopardy well before anyone knew he wouldn't be able to play in 2017. And now, every day that goes by without Luck playing a game just confirms your suspicion, even though it's January and Luck has months to work through whatever is going on now. That seems reasonable.

 

They identified it somewhere between the post season playoffs and pre season, that's a fact. If you identify fraying, you don't keep playing, he did and that's a fact. Regardless of when they identified it, they let him play. 

 

I never said didn't, I gave one of two options, both leading to incompetency. I think you're pretty much wrong on that, labrum injury and labrum tear are two completely different things, if it's torn or frayed, which is a tear, it requires surgery when it consistently hurts. Like in lucks case. Another report out there stated he received weekly cortisol shots as early as the 2015  season, so clearly it was lingering. Furthermore, if getting weekly shots before a game to take away the pain doesn't speak volumes to the improper management of this then idk what does. 

 

Which means this wasn't a setback if it's been an issue for over two years, you have to heal first and according to injury reports, he never did. It is reasonable to assume his career could be in jeopardy given the fact that he sat out an entire season with an injury that has bothered him for two years. Plus the low rate of success of returning from injury and surgery. 

 

I hope he does play for another 5-10 years, but I don't expect it. 

[Peterk2011]

I see too much unprofessionalism and misinformations there to believe.

 

The "source" compared Luck's problem to Bo Jackson's. As far as I know Bo Jackson had hip injury, not shoulder injury. He suffered avascular necrosis, which is death of bone tissue due to interruption of the blood supply. That can be diagnosed easily by either x-ray, CT or MRI. And that's indeed a carreer ending injury. There's no way any medically trained person would allow a professional athlete to return back from that injury. But Luck DID GET his green flag to start his training in october. If there was ANY sign of avascular necrosis, he'd been retired by now.

 

If Luck indeed has issues, and Nagy was informed about it, I don't believe Nagy would've leaked it. Not even in close circles. Rule number one in NFL is shut your mouth up. Don't leak. Especially for executives, head coaches, etc. Giving such information out would make him unprofessional and unreliable. He could loose his job because of that.

 

Sometimes, however teams DO LEAK intentionally. But then, there must be a reason they do that. What would Nagy gain by leaking such an insider info? He already signed his job. He and Ballard know each other for years, they have good relationship. As a HC, he will need to make deals, trades, he NEEDs people at other organizations to be successfull. You don't blow up such relationship for nothing, and risk, that no one will answer your phone calls.

 

[Narcosys]

Although this is possibly confirmation bias, I just came across this little article written by Doyel, which we all know he has a slant against the colts most of the time, but I like to hear the naysayers as much as I like hearing that everything is unicorns and lollipops.

 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2017/12/29/did-colts-qb-andrew-luck-go-netherlands-rehab/989996001/

[Thorolf]

Many people are wanting to believe that Luck is through. Those same people would like to believe that if Luck is not done, then the team will fail Luck since Luck will not fail the team. 

The opposing camp wants to believe that Luck is in perfect health and that the Colts will be heading to the Super Bowl next year. 

Both of those groups have no bearing on this thread. This thread should be concerned with the reliability of a supposed leak of information. I only know one thing about the report that sparked this thread , and that is that reports that must follow a chain of people to get the result are almost never reliable.

" My coworker's barber's cousin knows a guy who mows Luck's lawn  , and he heard Ballard saying that a doctor told him that Luck will never recover!"

Would anyone with intelligence believe that statement ? Then why would anyone believe the statement which started this thread?

I will believe statements about Luck's health when they come from reputable sources, and not before.

And before anyone brings it up, Yes I want to believe that Luck will be back playing for the Colts with his usual high quality of performance! But I would be just as skeptical of a report that said Luck is 100% if it was as convoluted and  unverifiable as the report which instigated this thread. That does not mean that this report cannot be true. It just means that any report which relies upon the information being sent through several individuals before it is finally released is unlikely to be 100% accurate.

Just my opinion .

[dgambill]

20 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

If McDaniel's does decide to come to Indy with the knowledge Luck may or may not be 100% he already knows Brissett is on the roster. He does know Brissett and his abilities.

With that said picking a QB with the 3rd pick may not even enter into the Colts plans.

I see the slim to no chance Colts pick a qb at 3. Even if Luck has to sit again while they give this more time they have Brissett to start. They will play the waiting game because if Luck does play then they have wasted a huge pick and if he doesn't then they would likely be in the top 5 picking again anyways. I'm not that thrilled with any of the top prospects in this draft anyways but likely the best couple will be off the board before we pick anyways. I don't see us going all in on a qb until they know 100% Luck can't play again.

[SLILLINGTON10]

On 1/15/2018 at 7:46 AM, dgambill said:

Why? Sanchez was great this year...Pat isn’t going to add anything to this team and Sanchez is cheaper?

Ya Sanchez is a stud but I love Pat, one of my all time favorite colts. Maybe ST coordinator or something?

[mahagga73]

Isn't Luck supposed to be throwing by now ? 

[Coltfreak]

7 minutes ago, SLILLINGTON10 said:

Ya Sanchez is a stud but I love Pat, one of my all time favorite colts. Maybe ST coordinator or something?

[Dark Superman]

Josh Mcdaniels coming to Indianapolis was enough to convince me that Luck will be back to 100% in 2018.

 

[Dark Superman]

Gotta give Chris Ballard a ton of respect for repairing the sour relationship between the Colts and Patriots after that whole deflate-gate fiasco.

Chris Ballard was sent to earth as a gift from God to save Andrew Luck's career.

[jameszeigler834]

On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 6:11 AM, coltsfan77 said:

My thing is this. The poster information could be correct. Who knows anymore! But by the look of Luck's arms in the press conference you could see muscle mass returning. If there is a blood flow problem, that would be virtually impossible.  He has obviously been working his arms and shoulders. 

This entire story is nothing but nonsense because I agree if you can see muscle mass returning then the no blood flow story is impossible.

[dgambill]

15 hours ago, SLILLINGTON10 said:

Ya Sanchez is a stud but I love Pat, one of my all time favorite colts. Maybe ST coordinator or something?

Pat seems to be a good guy...I know a lot of people liked him because he was funny(relatively) and outgoing but I am not sure he is qualified for that position...nor do I think he wants to come back. There is a lot more to special teams then just kicking the ball far and as outspoken as he has been not sure the current regime would want to risk having him leading a unit.

[dgambill]

I think some of it was believable (lack of healing due to poor blood flow to the area) but it seems from reports that he is putting on weight (muscle) is good news that he is healing. The more concerning thing to me is if he is able to be pain free throwing etc. If not then he would likely go under again....or it could affect his throwing mechanics subconsciously. I expect him to start out slow next year...adapting to a new offense and coaches and coming back from not playing...but by mid-season I'd love to see an improved Andrew.

[braveheartcolt]

Come to think of it, I have not heard a peep regarding the Andrew Luck Book Club, which makes me think his shoulder is so bad, he can't even turn a page of a book. Oh dear, I'm going to have a lot of sleepless nights.....

 

I also heard a report that said Andrew's dog is very depressed, because it has to throw it's own sticks to fetch...

 

All true. A man down the pub told me this....

[crazycolt1]

22 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

Come to think of it, I have not heard a peep regarding the Andrew Luck Book Club, which makes me think his shoulder is so bad, he can't even turn a page of a book. Oh dear, I'm going to have a lot of sleepless nights.....

 

I also heard a report that said Andrew's dog is very depressed, because it has to throw it's own sticks to fetch...

 

All true. A man down the pub told me this....

Keep us informed.

[GusFring]

If Luck is healthy, he definitely did this or something similar

 

[a06cc]

10 minutes ago, GusFring said:

If Luck is healthy, he definitely did this or something similar

 

Andrew Luck didn’t have any type of stem cells done. He himself confirmed this in his interview. However as of this week he has begun his throwing progressions. 

[Hoose]

But in truth, it's all just speculation. If Josh McDaniels is really coming to Indy, then I would speculate that there is some strong confidence in Colt world that Luck is going to be ok. We'll find out soon enough. 

[csmopar]

45 minutes ago, a06cc said:

Andrew Luck didn’t have any type of stem cells done. He himself confirmed this in his interview. However as of this week he has begun his throwing progressions. 

Source for the bolded?  I hadnt seen that

 

[John Waylon]

I know a guy whose cousin dated a chick who worked with a guy who heard from a guy in his bowling league that a girl he met at a bar once roomed with a girl in college who did volunteer work with a guy who once passed a guy from Paraguay on the street. 

 

At least that's how it was reported to me by a guy whose cousin dated a chick who worked with a guy who heard from a guy in his bowling league that a girl he met at a bar once roomed with a girl in college who did volunteer work with a guy. 

[a06cc]

4 hours ago, csmopar said:

Source for the bolded?  I hadnt seen that

 

Stephen Holder said it on twitter. I was randomly up at 1am today and seen it. http://www.indianasportscoverage.com/andrew-lucks-recovery-going-exceptionally-well/

[Smonroe]

12 minutes ago, a06cc said:

Stephen Holder said it on twitter. I was randomly up at 1am today and seen it. http://www.indianasportscoverage.com/andrew-lucks-recovery-going-exceptionally-well/

 

Not to be a negative nelly, but isn't this basically what we were hearing last year too?

 

I'll be so glad when this is over, one way or another.  When either Andrew or Brissett is throwing in camp, we can finally put this to bed.  Please don't let it drag on into the season again!

[a06cc]

1 minute ago, Smonroe said:

 

Not to be a negative nelly, but isn't this basically what we were hearing last year too?

 

I'll be so glad when this is over, one way or another.  When either Andrew or Brissett is throwing in camp, we can finally put this to bed.  Please don't let it drag on into the season again!

Yes we did. I’m just hoping this time around he is pain free. Please remain optimistic!

[Steamboat_Shaun]

38 minutes ago, a06cc said:

Stephen Holder said it on twitter. I was randomly up at 1am today and seen it. http://www.indianasportscoverage.com/andrew-lucks-recovery-going-exceptionally-well/

 

But... how could he have no blood flow in his throwing shoulder, yet be throwing at the same time?