Hear me out regarding Pass Rush

[Lucky Colts Fan]

6 minutes ago, DaveA1102 said:

Thanks for the post @Indeee.  It is an interesting idea and, having read the OP I did wonder what the reason was myself, while assuming there was an obvious reason I was missing!  

 

Its frustrating sometimes to see when a question is asked, out of interest and as a point for discussion, it can be derided and dismissed on here.  Admittedly some posts do cross the line and some are just trolling, but this was not one of them.

 

Thanks to @Fisticuffs111, @Valpo2004, @zibby43, @NewColtsFan, @Lucky Colts Fan and others for thought out responses, which I enjoyed reading.

This is the kind of out-of-the-box thinking that could lead to the next crop of great pass-rushers.

 

The talent has to be out there somewhere.  Hockey players?  MMA fighters?  Ninjas?

 

The NFL is willing to pay, and where there's a demand...

[PureGold]

I think if it's possible to draft Arden Key and Chubb together Ballard should find a way. That combination would probably be the best pass rush in history.

[Coffeedrinker]

On 12/27/2017 at 8:55 AM, Indeee said:

I understand to some this may be a stupid post, however it is serious in it's intent and involves an interesting dynamic where coaching and player development are concerned.

 

I'm going to list 2 known pass rushers whom have had success in the nfl so far along side their measurable of weight and height

 

Von Miller: 6'3 250

J. Clowney: 6'5 270

 

In comparison I'm now going to list 2 players currently on Colts rosters, who have been experimented with for a couple years now. One player has been here for a couple years and the other is a newer addition. I'm also going to list their measurable in comparison to the 2 players listed above.

 

Eric Swoope: 6'5 258 ( previous basketball player )

Ross Travis: 6'7 235 ( previous basketball player )

 

Both players have Basketball ability where their positioning have been big man oriented. Fighting for positioning, rebounding etc. Body on body contact

Both are in height qualifications especially when playing from a standing position where wing span comes into play not only for batting down passes but also reachability to grasp defenders.

 

Travis would need to bulk up and add weight/muscle which should not take much

 

My question is this: Why hasn't anyone ever thought to potentially teach, coach, transform these 2 guys into pass rushers?

 

It just seems odd, that in a league where pass rushers are not really accessible that some teams would attempt to take players blessed with measurable and transform them. it happens with other positions sometimes, why can't the colts staff transform these 2 into outside LB assets? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I heard you out.

 

 

I wish I hadn't.   The time it took me to read your post was a waste and I could actually feel my IQ dropping the more I read.  I can never get the time back and I'm hoping the drop in IQ is not permanent.

[lollygagger8]

Maybe they could try to convert the Wolverine to pass rusher.

 

He's a little undersized compared to those mentioned, but I bet he'd tear up some Linemen.

 

Bonus: If he gets hurt, he'd simply heal himself. 

[theanarchist]

On ‎12‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 8:55 AM, Indeee said:

I understand to some this may be a stupid post, however it is serious in it's intent and involves an interesting dynamic where coaching and player development are concerned.

 

I'm going to list 2 known pass rushers whom have had success in the nfl so far along side their measurable of weight and height

 

Von Miller: 6'3 250

J. Clowney: 6'5 270

 

In comparison I'm now going to list 2 players currently on Colts rosters, who have been experimented with for a couple years now. One player has been here for a couple years and the other is a newer addition. I'm also going to list their measurable in comparison to the 2 players listed above.

 

Eric Swoope: 6'5 258 ( previous basketball player )

Ross Travis: 6'7 235 ( previous basketball player )

 

Both players have Basketball ability where their positioning have been big man oriented. Fighting for positioning, rebounding etc. Body on body contact

Both are in height qualifications especially when playing from a standing position where wing span comes into play not only for batting down passes but also reachability to grasp defenders.

 

Travis would need to bulk up and add weight/muscle which should not take much

 

My question is this: Why hasn't anyone ever thought to potentially teach, coach, transform these 2 guys into pass rushers?

 

It just seems odd, that in a league where pass rushers are not really accessible that some teams would attempt to take players blessed with measurable and transform them. it happens with other positions sometimes, why can't the colts staff transform these 2 into outside LB assets? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree. Andrew Luck is 6-5 240. If he can't throw anymore theres no reason he cant be a TE or OLB. Get me Irsay on the phone.

[Ne-Ca-Higher]

Strangely, my post that was intended for another string ended up here.  I tried to delete it, but the folks who run this site won't let me.  They demand I post something here.  So here's some worthless baloney to waste everyone's time rather than simply let me copy and paste my post to the intended string.  (Don't complain to me, complain to management.)

[OLD FAN MAN]

why cant they do both? play te and pass rusher on passing downs. I think gronk could

[BProland85]

I'm now getting on the train with drafting Bradley Chubb as long as he tests very well at the combine and shows good athleticism. If he could be our Joey Bosa, but possibly even better, then we have to get this guy to lead our pass rush. 

 

If Ballard thinks he can trade down a few spots and still get him due to these teams drafting early needing QB help, then that would be a home run!

[COLTS449]

Yeah. A TE should be able to transform into a stud 15 sack a year EDGE rusher. Or what about me ? I played all 3 sports in HS. Always been fast and athletic for a white dude. Plus I'm ideal size for a RB at around  5'10 205. You think I could try out as a RB ? Or my buddy C-Rich was our SF in basketball, and WR and DE in football. He's freaking huge now. 6'4 probably 240 and a freak athlete. Could he come too and try out as an EDGE rusher ? He's got the measurable and athletic ability ????

[Fluke_33]

2 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

Yeah. A TE should be able to transform into a stud 15 sack a year EDGE rusher. Or what about me ? I played all 3 sports in HS. Always been fast and athletic for a white dude. Plus I'm ideal size for a RB at around  5'10 205. You think I could try out as a RB ? Or my buddy C-Rich was our SF in basketball, and WR and DE in football. He's freaking huge now. 6'4 probably 240 and a freak athlete. Could he come too and try out as an EDGE rusher ? He's got the measurable and athletic ability ????

you and your buddy could have this season and it wouldn't have changed the results much.

[chad72]

I'd consider them for pass rush if they were wrestlers that were very athletic as opposed to basketball players, IMO. Wrestlers understand leverage, hand punch and positioning, and to an extent bend as well. Wrestling background helps more with the defensive trenches in football, and there is probably precedent to that as well (Terrance Taylor, I am sure there are other examples too). Of course, how good you were at doing what you were doing ultimately matters, and a football background has to be there to build upon.

 

Joe Reitz was a former TE/basketball player too, that translates better to OL play and movement in space, probably more for a ZBS OL than a power scheme OL, I would have to say.

[COLTS449]

This one may take the cake