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I'm sure everyone is probably sick of these threads by now, and I apologize for starting another one, but I didn't want this comment to be buried in another thread only to be ignored. The posts recently blaming everyone from Luck to the front office to the Patriots (not really, but given some of the posts I've seen, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch) have me frustrated, and I had to give my 2 cents, and hopefully provide a little perspective.

 

I understand that people are upset about Luck's situation, but the posting regarding it has gone from speculation to outright fabrication. The fact of the matter is that none of us know exactly what is going on with Luck's shoulder. It is human nature to want to attribute a cause to situations that are difficult or that we don't understand, but we need to be aware of this and realize that often there is no rhyme or reason to these things. There isn't always someone to blame, sometimes stuff just happens. I'm not saying it was managed perfectly, because I don't know all the details, but the decision to have surgery on a QB's throwing shoulder is never something to be taken lightly, and prognosis for rehab timelines are often very difficult, if not impossible. 

 

I am not at all surprised that Luck is taking more time to recover than peoples' hopes allowed them to expect. As a physician and as someone who has had this same surgery, sustained playing football and on my right shoulder nonetheless, I think I have a somewhat better understanding than most of what the surgery and recovery process entail. Obviously I am not a professional QB who is expected to perform at a high level, but I think I can imagine what Luck is going through. The rehab process is long, slow, and frustrating. There are days when you think you can do something, maybe get a little overzealous, and end up having pain for days/weeks later. It is hard to accept the limitations that come with this injury, and I know from personal experience that the motion of throwing a football is one of the last things to be recovered without pain afterwards. Not to mention the subconscious desire to protect your shoulder while throwing, therefore resulting in alterations to the throwing motion.

 

I clearly remember being over a year post-surgery (I think it actually may have been 2 years), and trying to throw the football around at a backyard cookout/party. I was okay for a few throws, but the pain quickly surfaced, and after pushing myself and continuing for a little while (probably because I didn't want to accept that I still had such limitations), I begrudgingly had to stop, and dealt with pain for days afterwards. Considering that I am just a guy who enjoyed playing pickup football and didn't have 250+ lb men charging at me wishing to do me harm, I can only imagine how Luck feels. 

 

This year has been beyond frustrating, and I get that people are upset and looking for someone or something to direct that anger towards. However, the hate and negativity, much of which is well deserved in regards to issues not surrounding Luck's shoulder, have become misdirected lately. I feel sympathy for Luck, and have nothing but well wishes for him and for the Colts in this difficult time. I hope other fans can step back and see that this is not the end of the world, not entirely unexpected, and not such a simple situation that it can be boiled down to placing blame on one person or party.

 

Go Colts

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Good post doc! 

I had right shoulder surgery January 18th, (same day as A.L. (I think)) and I can't do half of what I could do pre-surgery. I'd love to be able to make the touchdown signal, but my shoulder still can't do it. I've been told by multiple people within my work and friends circles, who've had the surgery, that it's a very, very long recovery time. My R shoulder injuries and the injury A.L. had repaired are different, but the same goes for all the others I've talked to. It's a complex joint and it does not come back quickly. No matter what the procedure.

 

I've had spine surgery (6 bolts, 2 rods (severe central neural stenosis)), and hip surgery (cracked acetabulum, severe tear of iliofemoral ligament and ruptured labrum) and neither took as long to recover from.

 

I've been told over and over again by doctors, therapists, friends and co-workers - patience!

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On ‎11‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 5:12 PM, Douzer said:

Good post doc! 

I had right shoulder surgery January 18th, (same day as A.L. (I think)) and I can't do half of what I could do pre-surgery. I'd love to be able to make the touchdown signal, but my shoulder still can't do it. I've been told by multiple people within my work and friends circles, who've had the surgery, that it's a very, very long recovery time. My R shoulder injuries and the injury A.L. had repaired are different, but the same goes for all the others I've talked to. It's a complex joint and it does not come back quickly. No matter what the procedure.

 

I've had spine surgery (6 bolts, 2 rods (severe central neural stenosis)), and hip surgery (cracked acetabulum, severe tear of iliofemoral ligament and ruptured labrum) and neither took as long to recover from.

 

I've been told over and over again by doctors, therapists, friends and co-workers - patience!

Damn man, hopefully you fully recover. Yes sir, patience.

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44 minutes ago, gregr507 said:

Nobody interested in this? Guess I should have titled it "fire Pagano" and it would be at 8 pages already :(

 

What do you want people to say? I'm sorry, but your post wasn't so different and insightful it needed its own thread.

 

Your opinion/point of view has been voiced by many other posters in countless other threads without writing a book.

 

Then you get upset that people aren't coming to agree with an already well documented viewpoint. :violin:

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45 minutes ago, gregr507 said:

Nobody interested in this? Guess I should have titled it "fire Pagano" and it would be at 8 pages already :(

The reason you haven't got much respond is there is nothing in your comments anyone can argue about. You are right, had you started another thread that puts blame or points a finger then no doubt you would have a bunch of comments. 

I understand fans are depressed and frustrated but just fail to realize this is the NFL.  Every team faces these kind of problems sooner or later.

Now what most want is to start completely over. Is that the answer? No one knows. A new head coach normally brings in a whole new coaching staff. That in itself is one big gamble that could go either way. None of us have a crystal ball.

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5 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

What do you want people to say? I'm sorry, but your post wasn't so different and insightful it needed its own thread.

 

Your opinion/point of view has been voiced by many other posters in countless other threads without writing a book.

 

Then you get upset that people aren't coming to agree with an already well documented viewpoint. :violin:

It didn't stop you from making a comment I noticed.

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7 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

It didn't stop you from making a comment I noticed.

 

True... lol...  but not kind he was obviously fishing for.  The funny thing is you are one of several people who frequently voice a similar point of view to which I was referring, and why this didn't need a book written in its own thread like no one had ever said it. 

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1 hour ago, esmort said:

 

True... lol...  but not kind he was obviously fishing for.  The funny thing is you are one of several people who frequently voice a similar point of view to which I was referring, and why this didn't need a book written in its own thread like no one had ever said it. 

His personal info is what made it different. He had an experience and was just being informative in regards to his injury. If you give it a thought it could be related to the mental aspect of what Irsay was talking about with the mental aspect of Luck and what he meant?  Just a thought?

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1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

His personal info is what made it different. He had an experience and was just being informative in regards to his injury. If you give it a thought it could be related to the mental aspect of what Irsay was talking about with the mental aspect of Luck and what he meant?  Just a thought?

 

I guess you took a lot more away from it than me...  to me it read like dozens of other posts (including some others who have had the same or similar injuries).

 

Nothing new that needed it's own thread. Just 10x longer that said "look at me" with a follow up comment lamenting the fact that people weren't recognizing his "unique perspective" which wasn't unique. 

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1 hour ago, esmort said:

 

I guess you took a lot more away from it than me...  to me it read like dozens of other posts (including some others who have had the same or similar injuries).

 

Nothing new that needed it's own thread. Just 10x longer that said "look at me" with a follow up comment lamenting the fact that people weren't recognizing his "unique perspective" which wasn't unique. 

I dont think it was a " look at me" thread. I feel as this was a lil insight that everything should be eventually alright , RELAX , it just takes time. 

 

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I draw a comparison with a guy here in Australia.  Billy Slater has been one of the top 2 or 3 Rugby League players here for several years.  Due to a shoulder injury requiring surgery he missed out on playing for 2 years. 

 

There were a couple of false alarms that he was ready to return to the field, but it never happened.  Once he finally did return to playing it was like he had never been away--in fact he was probably a better player.

 

I certainly hope Andrew doesn't need another year to get his shoulder right, but if he does, patience will be required by everyone.  The important thing is for him to get his shoulder 100%.

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23 minutes ago, strt182 said:

I dont think it was a " look at me" thread. I feel as this was a lil insight that everything should be eventually alright , RELAX , it just takes time. 

 

Maybe a different title would set your thread apart. Making it about recovering from labrum surgery which I would think that people would be interested in

 

Just a throught

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5 hours ago, esmort said:

 

What do you want people to say? I'm sorry, but your post wasn't so different and insightful it needed its own thread.

 

Your opinion/point of view has been voiced by many other posters in countless other threads without writing a book.

 

Then you get upset that people aren't coming to agree with an already well documented viewpoint. :violin:

 

If you take the poster at their word, a physician and someone that has had this surgery, then I would say that their post is more insightful than 98% of the posts on this subject.

 

I could have done without the nobody interested post though.

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On 11/5/2017 at 4:00 PM, gregr507 said:

I'm sure everyone is probably sick of these threads by now, and I apologize for starting another one, but I didn't want this comment to be buried in another thread only to be ignored. The posts recently blaming everyone from Luck to the front office to the Patriots (not really, but given some of the posts I've seen, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch) have me frustrated, and I had to give my 2 cents, and hopefully provide a little perspective.

 

I understand that people are upset about Luck's situation, but the posting regarding it has gone from speculation to outright fabrication. The fact of the matter is that none of us know exactly what is going on with Luck's shoulder. It is human nature to want to attribute a cause to situations that are difficult or that we don't understand, but we need to be aware of this and realize that often there is no rhyme or reason to these things. There isn't always someone to blame, sometimes stuff just happens. I'm not saying it was managed perfectly, because I don't know all the details, but the decision to have surgery on a QB's throwing shoulder is never something to be taken lightly, and prognosis for rehab timelines are often very difficult, if not impossible. 

 

I am not at all surprised that Luck is taking more time to recover than peoples' hopes allowed them to expect. As a physician and as someone who has had this same surgery, sustained playing football and on my right shoulder nonetheless, I think I have a somewhat better understanding than most of what the surgery and recovery process entail. Obviously I am not a professional QB who is expected to perform at a high level, but I think I can imagine what Luck is going through. The rehab process is long, slow, and frustrating. There are days when you think you can do something, maybe get a little overzealous, and end up having pain for days/weeks later. It is hard to accept the limitations that come with this injury, and I know from personal experience that the motion of throwing a football is one of the last things to be recovered without pain afterwards. Not to mention the subconscious desire to protect your shoulder while throwing, therefore resulting in alterations to the throwing motion.

 

I clearly remember being over a year post-surgery (I think it actually may have been 2 years), and trying to throw the football around at a backyard cookout/party. I was okay for a few throws, but the pain quickly surfaced, and after pushing myself and continuing for a little while (probably because I didn't want to accept that I still had such limitations), I begrudgingly had to stop, and dealt with pain for days afterwards. Considering that I am just a guy who enjoyed playing pickup football and didn't have 250+ lb men charging at me wishing to do me harm, I can only imagine how Luck feels. 

 

This year has been beyond frustrating, and I get that people are upset and looking for someone or something to direct that anger towards. However, the hate and negativity, much of which is well deserved in regards to issues not surrounding Luck's shoulder, have become misdirected lately. I feel sympathy for Luck, and have nothing but well wishes for him and for the Colts in this difficult time. I hope other fans can step back and see that this is not the end of the world, not entirely unexpected, and not such a simple situation that it can be boiled down to placing blame on one person or party.

 

Go Colts

 

Thank you. I appreciate this. 

 

Shoulder injuries are very painful. I dislocated my shoulder when I was in college. I chose not to have surgery. It dislocated at least 30 more times while doing everyday activities. However, in the last 7 or so years, I have not had any dislocation. I no longer feel pain. 

 

I hope Luck will recover enough to resume his great career.

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5 hours ago, esmort said:

 

I guess you took a lot more away from it than me...  to me it read like dozens of other posts (including some others who have had the same or similar injuries).

 

Nothing new that needed it's own thread. Just 10x longer that said "look at me" with a follow up comment lamenting the fact that people weren't recognizing his "unique perspective" which wasn't unique. 

It just comes from thinking about what he said, not just discarding him because you didn't like it.

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