Ok guys I am curious what you think.

[Imrryr]

Now before you hate me hear me out I promise I am not trolling but I want to know what others fans think. If Andrew is not 100 percent ready should they leave him on the PUP, kelly and mewhort are out rogers is nowhere to be seen and just the oline in general is in shambles wpuld we be dumb to leave him on pup to protect him and then still give him 6 weeks to practice if he recovers sokn and hope the line has some semblance of not being...well a colts oline. 

[Imrryr]

Sorry for all the typos I am on the phone traveling.

[rockywoj]

If doctors say he is unlikely to be ready to go until game 4 or 5, then I'd PUP him.   If they say he will be ready by game 3 or sooner, I keep him on the active roster.  If he is deemed healthy to play, he plays, regardless of the OL or anything else.

[Imrryr]

I can see that but what if he goes out there just to get run over again? 

[COLTS449]

Oh my holy God. Wow. Andrew will not miss more than a game or 2 at the most !!!

[MTC]

Considering the current circumstances, I would rather have Andrew play at 100% health, than having him rushed out.

[2006Coltsbestever]

No

[ar1888]

8 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

Oh my holy God. Wow. Andrew will not miss more than a game or 2 at the most !!!

What have you heard that makes you think that? If he were coming back that early don't you think the Colts would be publicly saying that? Not giving a time frame tells you to prepare for the worst. 

[csmopar]

Hey look another thread to go along with the other 20 bout Luck and the PUP

[NorthernBlue]

If he's 100 % healthy, whenever that may be, then I expect him to play.

[NorthernBlue]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

Hey look another thread to go along with the other 20 bout Luck and the PUP

Better than all the 'fire pagano' threads we're gonna get when the season starts.

[Imrryr]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

Hey look another thread to go along with the other 20 bout Luck and the PUP

I get your irritation but Luck is kinda a big deal for us

1 hour ago, COLTS449 said:

Oh my holy God. Wow. Andrew will not miss more than a game or 2 at the most !!!

I get that but will he be 100 at that point or should we give him time to get practived and/or some semblance of a line in front of him

[Coltgoat]

With all the injuries (Geathers, Luck, Kelly and * etc) how many can we put on PUP that can come back? After the 6 weeks without practice, if I am correct, then probably a week or 2 of practice. know we can put 2 on IR with designation to return.

Would MUCH rather see Luck healthy and obviously most important might be better he stays on active roster and be available when he is ready sooner than later.

[Freenyfan102]

Draft another line in the draft that all i have to say or have Andrew luck renegotiate his contract since he actually not worth that much money and has yet to actually prove it.

[csmopar]

8 hours ago, NorthernBlue said:

Better than all the 'fire pagano' threads we're gonna get when the season starts.

 very true

8 hours ago, Imrryr said:

I get your irritation but Luck is kinda a big deal for us

 

Yes yes he is but this has all been discussed at length in numerous other threads is my point.  Bottom line until we are told officially as to his game day status, it's all pure speculation and conjecture.

[ColtsArmy84]

As stated before...1-2 games missed at most...barring anything new. At very worst his season debut will be vs Browns. Could start vs Cards

[ColtsBlueFL]

13 hours ago, csmopar said:

 very true

Yes yes he is but this has all been discussed at length in numerous other threads is my point.  Bottom line until we are told officially as to his game day status, it's all pure speculation and conjecture.

 

True.  Yet, people still won't wait (up to) 4 days to see what unfolds.

 

13 hours ago, ColtsArmy84 said:

As stated before...1-2 games missed at most...barring anything new. At very worst his season debut will be vs Browns. Could start vs Cards

 

Who said that?  Everything mentioned (from Irsay, Ballard, and Pagano) have not been firm commitments, but projected possibilities. Lucks situation is fluid, there is no fixed or firm 'your medically cleared' date. It's like the focus on a camera, you see a blurry object, and it gets clearer and clearer as it is adjusted and finally it snaps into clear focus.  The time frame to do this can be anticipated but not known exactly.

 

On top of that, a Doctor, that just happens to be an Orthopedic Surgeon, AND was the head Team Physician for the San Diego Chargers for 17 years (Thus knows from personal experience these situations), projects that it will take Luck up to 1 month to be ready for game action once cleared and back practicing with the team.  Throwing in a rehab program is nothing like throwing in a game being chased and throwing at odd angles on the move etc.... He says just because a player can 'shoot free throws' doesn't mean he's ready to enter a game with others guarding you.

 

There's really nothing to discuss that hasn't been covered ad nauseam in other threads, until later this week, when we see what happens with Lucks status as preseason ends and the regular season begins.

[dodsworth]

No worries what so ever, we have Tolzien until he comes back.

 

 

 

That was sarcasm in case the slow ones didn't catch it.

[byrddawg]

Bottomline   we know nothing   The Colts share nothing and as a season ticket holder since day one that disappoints me    I want to know everything petitnent to other products I purchase  I do not comprehend the Colts game or plan

 

[kcccolts]

Daft foreigner question - What does PUP mean? - My (uneducated guess is Potentially Un Playable) but I have no doubt you guys know better.

[SVFD Colts Fan]

2 minutes ago, kcccolts said:

Daft foreigner question - What does PUP mean? - My (uneducated guess is Potentially Un Playable) but I have no doubt you guys know better.

Physically Unable to Perform

[ColtsBlueFL]

11 hours ago, kcccolts said:

Daft foreigner question - What does PUP mean? - My (uneducated guess is Potentially Un Playable) but I have no doubt you guys know better.

 

11 hours ago, SVFD Colts Fan said:

Physically Unable to Perform

 

Exactly, and the injury must be football related.  (Luck, Geathers, ...)

 

Otherwise the the injured player is classified NFI. (Non Football Injury) Examples are - Sharrif Floyd, Teez Tabor, Reshad Jones (now off of it I believe), Malik McDowell (MVA) etc...

 

 

[ricker182]

15 hours ago, csmopar said:

Hey look another thread to go along with the other 20 bout Luck and the PUP

TBF he is our franchise QB that the success of the team hinges on. 

[csmopar]

36 minutes ago, ricker182 said:

TBF he is our franchise QB that the success of the team hinges on. 

Yeah, I get that.... but there is ZERO new information in this thread and everything thats already been typed in the other thread(s) was just re-hashed here

[Imrryr]

7 hours ago, csmopar said:

 very true

Yes yes he is but this has all been discussed at length in numerous other threads is my point.  Bottom line until we are told officially as to his game day status, it's all pure speculation and conjecture.

Thats why I was asking for your opinion of a theoretical. Not speculating what would happen.

[deedub75]

There's a difference between being fully healed and 100% ready to play. He could be fully healed right now but his accuracy, mechanics and arm strength could be 50%. Would they put him out there at 60%, 70%, 80%?  His arm strength might be good but his accuracy could be off. There are a lot of variables that I'm sure they are looking at. Since Chuck says he hasn't seen Andrew throw how would he know?

[Archer]

Tired of hearing things like our OL is in shambles.  We're definitely fine for Game 1 at LT, RG, & LG.  Clark has disappointed, but Bond and Vujnovich helped form a pretty solid OL against Pitt. Plus, Good looked good subbing for Mewhort.  Our OL is fine.  On a side note, listening to enemy podcasts, Houston and Tennessee fans are freakin' out about how bad their OLs looked in Game 3.  Yes, the vaunted Titan line looked terrible.

[superrep1967]

18 hours ago, Imrryr said:

Now before you hate me hear me out I promise I am not trolling but I want to know what others fans think. If Andrew is not 100 percent ready should they leave him on the PUP, kelly and mewhort are out rogers is nowhere to be seen and just the oline in general is in shambles wpuld we be dumb to leave him on pup to protect him and then still give him 6 weeks to practice if he recovers sokn and hope the line has some semblance of not being...well a colts oline. 

They won't throw Luck out there until he's 100 %, not a moment before and they shouldn't. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

5 hours ago, deedub75 said:

There's a difference between being fully healed and 100% ready to play. He could be fully healed right now but his accuracy, mechanics and arm strength could be 50%. Would they put him out there at 60%, 70%, 80%?  His arm strength might be good but his accuracy could be off. There are a lot of variables that I'm sure they are looking at. Since Chuck says he hasn't seen Andrew throw how would he know?

 

They will put him out there when they feel he can't reinjure it again just by throwing footballs.  They do NOT want another Braxton Miller incident.

 

Miller had labrum surgery (The same Dr. Andrews that did Drew Brees Labrum surgery), then around 6 months post-operation, he re-injured it; on a 7 yard throw (via Uran Myer) in practice, and he wasn't hit doing it either. Just having the first labrum surgery is tough enough, but a second?  {shudder}.  Here's the thing, and what people here just don't get... but need to!!

 

"I can tell you that the labrum doesn't heal particularly well," Dr. Schickendantz said. "The surgery is difficult, the blood supply is poor and it's hard to get these things to heal. It's a difficult thing to come back from.

 

"If you look across the board, successful return to play is not all that predictable. People don't understand how difficult it is to come back from that type of surgery. So I am not completely surprised he is having ongoing issues with the shoulder." speaking of Braxton here, but could refer to anybody recovering from the surgery.

 

As far as having the first repair surgery- "You wouldn't think twice," Dr. Limpisvasti said. "It's not uncommon for elite quarterbacks to suffer a labral tear. And if there's good tissue to repair and enough time to rehab, they should do well." However, doctors also cited about a 10 to 15 percent rate of failure when it comes to these surgeries, in terms of the player getting back to his previous level. That's about 2 or 3 out of 20.

 

"For a lot of different injuries, we know the success rates are not quite as good the second time," said Dr. David Geier, an orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine specialist in South Carolina. "But we don't have a lot of data of revision labral surgeries. It's just not all that common."

 

Miller faced a 9-12 month recovery for that second Labral repair.  Some doctors, while unsure of the severity of the initial Miller surgery, were a little surprised he was throwing after six months. Eventually, he had to change posituions (from QB to receiver).

 

Let the medical team clear Luck when they feel he can practice/compete and not reinjure himself.  There's no timetable.  It is when it is. Luck knows this, and so should you. For all we know, it could be any day now. But Dr. Chao also says that there is another 3-4 week hill to climb once he's cleared. I would rather have luck for the next ten years rather than just the first few games on 2017 by pushing it/him to early/fast.

 

https://www.shoulderdoc.co.uk/section/896

 

 

[kcccolts]

5 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

 

Exactly, and the injury must be football related.  Otherwise the the injured player is classified NFI. (Non Football Injury) Examples are - Sharrif Floyd, Teez Tabor, Reshad Jones (now off of it I believe), Malik McDowell (MVA) etc...

 

 

Thanks guys, I knew I would get the answer, I am looking forward to the season starting. Hopefully AL will be back as soon as possible, as it appears the back up options are not that great.

[bleevit]

Any argument to hold Andrew out to somehow protect him from this O-line is just plain uncalled for. Andrew has very good recognition and should help keep the hits down. Our backup QBs have had a better pocket this year. By midseason this offense is going to be moving the ball bigtime! I also believe by the midpoint, this defense is going to be knocking some people down. I'm very hopeful for the season, and my 50+ years of being a judge (varying results) tell me they'll be VERY competitive.

[jvan1973]

22 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

Oh my holy God. Wow. Andrew will not miss more than a game or 2 at the most !!!

So you have seen his medical records and private practices?  Please fill us in

[COLTS449]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

So you have seen his medical records and private practices?  Please fill us in

 

I'm his doctor.........D.ummy.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

I'm his doctor.........D.ummy.  

I have to admit that is funny comeback.

[Imrryr]

20 hours ago, bleevit said:

Any argument to hold Andrew out to somehow protect him from this O-line is just plain uncalled for. Andrew has very good recognition and should help keep the hits down. Our backup QBs have had a better pocket this year. By midseason this offense is going to be moving the ball bigtime! I also believe by the midpoint, this defense is going to be knocking some people down. I'm very hopeful for the season, and my 50+ years of being a judge (varying results) tell me they'll be VERY competitive.

To be clear the line worries me but i was more also thinking about a potential retear on top of that if he is only 60 70 percent why rush him onto the field unpracticed and potentially not 100.

[BR-549]

On 8/30/2017 at 8:23 AM, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

True.  Yet, people still won't wait (up to) 4 days to see what unfolds.

 

 

Who said that?  Everything mentioned (from Irsay, Ballard, and Pagano) have not been firm commitments, but projected possibilities. Lucks situation is fluid, there is no fixed or firm 'your medically cleared' date. It's like the focus on a camera, you see a blurry object, and it gets clearer and clearer as it is adjusted and finally it snaps into clear focus.  The time frame to do this can be anticipated but not known exactly.

 

On top of that, a Doctor, that just happens to be an Orthopedic Surgeon, AND was the head Team Physician for the San Diego Chargers for 17 years (Thus knows from personal experience these situations), projects that it will take Luck up to 1 month to be ready for game action once cleared and back practicing with the team.  Throwing in a rehab program is nothing like throwing in a game being chased and throwing at odd angles on the move etc.... He says just because a player can 'shoot free throws' doesn't mean he's ready to enter a game with others guarding you.

 

There's really nothing to discuss that hasn't been covered ad nauseam in other threads, until later this week, when we see what happens with Lucks status as preseason ends and the regular season begins.

I think your life would be easier if you just copy and paste .... that is until Luck is back

[The Fish]

I think the argument for hold him out (such as it is) would have more to do with his risk of re-injury from simply working the muscle out. Football has it's own inherent risk, but the repair needs to be stable before anything else happens. (oh- that's what everyone in the know has said is going on..)

 

At this rate and I kind of hate to say it.. If he's not 110%, there really isn't a great reason to risk him on this season- if it really is about multiple super bowls and the next decade. I'm having a hard time not being pessimistic about all of this.. I'll try to contain it.

 

As far as multi threads on this subject go, it might be a little annoying, but this is basically the most important thing this franchise has faced since the Peyton drama... 

 

[bleevit]

On 8/31/2017 at 4:20 PM, Imrryr said:

To be clear the line worries me but i was more also thinking about a potential retear on top of that if he is only 60 70 percent why rush him onto the field unpracticed and potentially not 100.

I can't think of anyone I have heard or read that advocates bringing him back before he is ready. I think the Colts have exercised a good deal of restraint thus far and doubt they will waste are the time a effort in making that foolish a decision. My position is simply that you don't hold back a healthy QB because you're worried about the line. Maybe on game 16 of a lost season, but not game 1. Its unfair to the other 52 players on the team.

[ponyboy]

On ‎8‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 5:18 PM, ColtsBlueFL said:

Let the medical team clear Luck when they feel he can practice/compete and not reinjure himself.  There's no timetable.  It is when it is. Luck knows this, and so should you. For all we know, it could be any day now. But Dr. Chao also says that there is another 3-4 week hill to climb once he's cleared. I would rather have luck for the next ten years rather than just the first few games on 2017 by pushing it/him to early/fast.

 

 

The bolded quote is a reason I think it's reasonable for the OP to make the point that the PUP decision may not be a slam dunk.  I might have missed the other threads on the same topic, but it seems to be a reasonable thing to discuss on a Colts fan forum.  I don't understand the criticism for starting the thread.