Just A Thought

[Rashad]

Im all for getting Andrew luck and having him possibly sit behind Peyton but instead of wasting a 1st round pick for the future what about trying to make a move for Ryan mallett in terms of

Qb he was said to be the best in last years draft if it wasnt for off the field stuff and he has been quiet this year after learning this "patriot" way and he would come to us for maybe like a 3rd rounder I think that could be a good scenario and we trade down to like the browns and get

Their 2 first round picks

[FireJimCaldwell]

I would say it's not very likely, but I would hope our front office does their due diligence by kicking over every rock in this process.

[shakedownstreet]

character is everything & more in a quarterback. see ryan leaf and jeff george

that's why i feel pretty good about luck, even in the context of losing a GOAT like manning

[chrisfarley]

i have confidence in Ryan G. and Chuck P. ,,,, that they are entrenched in a player personnel hunt (along with our player personnel specialist) to get the best possible combination of talent possible including backup QB, etc.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall right now in the war-room.

[jskinnz]

Im all for getting Andrew luck and having him possibly sit behind Peyton but instead of wasting a 1st round pick for the future what about trying to make a move for Ryan mallett in terms of

Qb he was said to be the best in last years draft if it wasnt for off the field stuff and he has been quiet this year after learning this "patriot" way and he would come to us for maybe like a 3rd rounder I think that could be a good scenario and we trade down to like the browns and get

Their 2 first round picks

I can absolutely promise you that the Pats will not trade him for a 3rd round pick. That is where they got him last year and based around what was said about him last year, that was viewed as a steal. So why would they just get a comparable selection for him this year? The answer is they wouldn't.

Nope. What they are going to do with him is 1) groom him to take over for Brady when that time comes or 2) pull a Matt Cassell and build his stock to where a team will overpay for him.

[KyFan18]

I can absolutely promise you that the Pats will not trade him for a 3rd round pick. That is where they got him last year and based around what was said about him last year, that was viewed as a steal. So why would they just get a comparable selection for him this year? The answer is they wouldn't.

Nope. What they are going to do with him is 1) groom him to take over for Brady when that time comes or 2) pull a Matt Cassell and build his stock to where a team will overpay for him.

Because they like Hoyer better and Mallett is now third string.

[shakedownstreet]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall right now in the war-room.

or pretend the be a latin maid that doesn't speak english

[jskinnz]

Because they like Hoyer better and Mallett is now third string.

They will not trade Mallett this year for a 3rd round pick. Absolutely will not.

And do you really know if Mallett is there on the depth chart because of a lack of talent or lack of experience?

[WSO]

I really don't understand the reasoning here. Waste a first round pick for the future? How does that even make sense?

Luck is a much better quarterback than Mallett. If you drafted Luck right now and asked the Patriots for a trade, Luck for Mallett, they would do it in a heartbeat. Why is everyone wanting to downgrade in prospects? All of them are unproven and have the chance to flop but some are pretty darn good and near cant-miss while other are third rounders for a reason.

[Smonroe]

They will not trade Mallett this year for a 3rd round pick. Absolutely will not.

And do you really know if Mallett is there on the depth chart because of a lack of talent or lack of experience?

Probably both. He's a statue with a good arm. Which wouldn't bode well with our O line.

[Rashad]

well you are obviously in love with andrew luck so anything said about him u r going to go against i didnt mean waste like its a bad pick i meant waste as in we can get better value out of that pick if we were to get a different qb such as mallett or a later talent in the draft if u read the whole thing i said im all for andrew luck

[WSO]

well you are obviously in love with andrew luck so anything said about him u r going to go against i didnt mean waste like its a bad pick i meant waste as in we can get better value out of that pick if we were to get a different qb such as mallett or a later talent in the draft if u read the whole thing i said im all for andrew luck

I dont understand why you want to downgrade in prospects. Why not take the best quarterback instead of downgrading for "extra picks". Then you get into a situation where you really have to hope those extra picks pan out ALONG with the QB you take later to justify trading the first pick.

I am well aware Luck can be a bust albeit its highly unlikely. I just dont understand why the Colts should downgrade in the most important position in possibly all of sports.

[UndecidedFrog]

well you are obviously in love with andrew luck so anything said about him u r going to go against i didnt mean waste like its a bad pick i meant waste as in we can get better value out of that pick if we were to get a different qb such as mallett or a later talent in the draft if u read the whole thing i said im all for andrew luck

Historically, the Colts have not done very well with picking non-first round QBs:

Colts QBs picked in the second round to overall pick #160:

1988 Chris Chandler 3rd round (76)

1986 Jack Trudeau 2nd round (47)

1982 Mike Pagel 4th round (84)

1976 Mike Kirkland 5th round (143)

1971 Karl Douglas 3rd round (78)

Colts QBs picked from overall pick #160 upwards:

2009 Curtis Painter 6th round (201)

2004 Jim Sorgi 6th round (193)

1996 Mike Cawley 6th round (205)

1990 Gene Benhart 13th round (311)

1989 Wayne Johnson 11th round (296)

1989 Steve Taylor 12th round (323)

1983 Jim Bob Taylor 11th round (280)

1975 Steve Joachim 7th round (160)

1975 Bill Malouf 16th round (392)

1974 Bob Bobrowski 12th round (307)

1973 Tom Pierantozzi 13th round (322)

1972 Van Brownson 8th round (204)

1972 Gary Wichard 16th round (412)

1970 Gordon Slade 7th round (174)

1969 Sam Havrilak 8th round (207)

1969 Larry Good 9th round (232)

1968 Jeff Beaver 15th round (404)

Compare that to the first round Colts QB picks:

1998 Peyton Manning (1st overall pick)

1990 Jeff George (1)

1983 John Elway (1)

1982 Art Schlichter (4)

1973 Bert Jones (2)

You can see the track record for yourself.

[ruksak]

I really don't understand the reasoning here. Waste a first round pick for the future? How does that even make sense?

Luck is a much better quarterback than Mallett. If you drafted Luck right now and asked the Patriots for a trade, Luck for Mallett, they would do it in a heartbeat. Why is everyone wanting to downgrade in prospects? All of them are unproven and have the chance to flop but some are pretty darn good and near cant-miss while other are third rounders for a reason.

We rarely agree. Here, we do.

[Rashad]

Once again I'm not saying that we should do this I'm just saying this would be a good alternative if something made them not want to take luck

[UndecidedFrog]

Once again I'm not saying that we should do this I'm just saying this would be a good alternative if something made them not want to take luck

I don't think it is a good alternative.

If you don't think Luck is the best QB draft prospect, then you draft the QB prospect you think is best.

If you think you need to trade down to get most value, then you might want to rethink why you think some other QB is best.

[GoColts8818]

I also don't see a guy in this draft who has the talent of a first rounder and is only slipping in the draft because of questions about off the field stuff like Mallett had for us to do what New Negland did and I don't think the Pats are wanting to trade him. I they view him as their QB of the future.

[MR. Blueblood]

I would say it's not very likely, but I would hope our front office does their due diligence by kicking over every rock in this process.

I'm with you on this one, I want them to look at every angle possible and I think they will. If they draft somebody other than Luck I would be shocked. If you were so inclined to, I would say you could start ordering your Colts Luck jersey right now.

[FireJimCaldwell]

I'm with you on this one, I want them to look at every angle possible and I think they will. If they draft somebody other than Luck I would be shocked. If you were so inclined to, I would say you could start ordering your Colts Luck jersey right now.

I won't be ordering one of those, but I do agree that it seems their mind is made up.

[jlid]

I'm sure this has been said, but there's fatal flaw to most theories being suggested as to what we should do at the QB decision:

IF we give Peyton that bonus (I don't think we should, but I understand why people do), and that's obviously the huge IF right now, we're basically saying Peyton is our QB for 4 more years. Because with the way the cap works, and the way his contract is worded, once we're on the other side of that bonus, Peyton is both an insane bargain to keep on the team, and an insane boulder to cut or trade off of it. So the decision isn't whether we should try to squeeze another year or two out of him, it's do we want him for 0 years or 4 years, no middle ground.

I know that still sounds like an easy decision to the blindly loyal Manning fans, but it's also why I don't think scenarios of keeping him and having him groom another QB are a likely scenario. QB's like Luck (and to a lesser extent Griffin), MAY be willing to be groomed for 1 year, not 4. If we pay him the bonus (again, not my choice, but I wouldn't be devastated), I think we should shift totally to the "trade the pick" camp, try to sign a veteran backup, and worry about finding the QB of the future in 2 years or so.

[Colts#1fan]

I think we should draft luck but I don't understand why some people think Luck is the Colts savior. Mr Luck you got some huge shoes to fill.

[CantBeStopped]

Historically, the Colts have not done very well with picking non-first round QBs:

Colts QBs picked in the second round to overall pick #160:

1988 Chris Chandler 3rd round (76)

1986 Jack Trudeau 2nd round (47)

1982 Mike Pagel 4th round (84)

1976 Mike Kirkland 5th round (143)

1971 Karl Douglas 3rd round (78)

Colts QBs picked from overall pick #160 upwards:

2009 Curtis Painter 6th round (201)

2004 Jim Sorgi 6th round (193)

1996 Mike Cawley 6th round (205)

1990 Gene Benhart 13th round (311)

1989 Wayne Johnson 11th round (296)

1989 Steve Taylor 12th round (323)

1983 Jim Bob Taylor 11th round (280)

1975 Steve Joachim 7th round (160)

1975 Bill Malouf 16th round (392)

1974 Bob Bobrowski 12th round (307)

1973 Tom Pierantozzi 13th round (322)

1972 Van Brownson 8th round (204)

1972 Gary Wichard 16th round (412)

1970 Gordon Slade 7th round (174)

1969 Sam Havrilak 8th round (207)

1969 Larry Good 9th round (232)

1968 Jeff Beaver 15th round (404)

Compare that to the first round Colts QB picks:

1998 Peyton Manning (1st overall pick)

1990 Jeff George (1)

1983 John Elway (1)

1982 Art Schlichter (4)

1973 Bert Jones (2)

You can see the track record for yourself.

I didnt realize grigson was here choosing all the qbs. Oh thats right he wasnt. So that so called track record means squat bro

[betheafan41]

Historically, the Colts have not done very well with picking non-first round QBs:

Colts QBs picked in the second round to overall pick #160:

1988 Chris Chandler 3rd round (76)

1986 Jack Trudeau 2nd round (47)

1982 Mike Pagel 4th round (84)

1976 Mike Kirkland 5th round (143)

1971 Karl Douglas 3rd round (78)

Colts QBs picked from overall pick #160 upwards:

2009 Curtis Painter 6th round (201)

2004 Jim Sorgi 6th round (193)

1996 Mike Cawley 6th round (205)

1990 Gene Benhart 13th round (311)

1989 Wayne Johnson 11th round (296)

1989 Steve Taylor 12th round (323)

1983 Jim Bob Taylor 11th round (280)

1975 Steve Joachim 7th round (160)

1975 Bill Malouf 16th round (392)

1974 Bob Bobrowski 12th round (307)

1973 Tom Pierantozzi 13th round (322)

1972 Van Brownson 8th round (204)

1972 Gary Wichard 16th round (412)

1970 Gordon Slade 7th round (174)

1969 Sam Havrilak 8th round (207)

1969 Larry Good 9th round (232)

1968 Jeff Beaver 15th round (404)

Compare that to the first round Colts QB picks:

1998 Peyton Manning (1st overall pick)

1990 Jeff George (1)

1983 John Elway (1)

1982 Art Schlichter (4)

1973 Bert Jones (2)

You can see the track record for yourself.

I definently agree, if we traded away the first pick and passed on Luck to get someone like foles or keenum chances are the colts will end up with another Curtis Painter or Jim Sorgi. then fans will want Irsays and the new GM's head on a silver platter. Luck is the safer bet, and should be done come draft day even if they keep manning. Irsay isnt going to mess up again on passing on a qb that is the future of the team. people dont remember polian saying him not drafting a back up plan for if manning went down for the year is some of the reason why he got fired.

[WoolMagnet]

I won't be ordering one of those, but I do agree that it seems their mind is made up.

And you won't be having caldwell over for dinner either?

[WoolMagnet]

I didnt realize grigson was here choosing all the qbs. Oh thats right he wasnt. So that so called track record means squat bro

Sure it means something. Its history. historical data to be analyzed.

I think it CLEARLY shows how "talent" at the top of the draft is normally a safer bet than later picks.

Not carved in stone, no, but still valuable data.

[betheafan41]

I didnt realize grigson was here choosing all the qbs. Oh thats right he wasnt. So that so called track record means squat bro

in all fairness to undecidedfrogg polian wasnt there for most of those either. he is basically stating that in the colts franchise history the production between their 5 first round QB's and all of their late round drafted QB's , the first rounders performed better then the late rounders. and to be honest he is right. out of all of them 2 of them have combined for 3 championships 5 MVP's and 2 superbowl MVP's.,

and a chance to draft the one college QB who has been compared and said to be as good and ready as peyton manning you take that chance and draft him. passing on him could turn out disasterous as undecided was trying to point out...drafting a late round QB could turn out to be another curtis painter and Grigson,Irsay and the colts will be critisized for passing on andrew luck for years until they find another QB who comes out playing almost as good as manning if not better. im a big manning fan, but im a colts fan first and a manning fan second. players come and go but the colts are forever!

[WoolMagnet]

players come and go but the colts are forever!

We hope.

But don't say that to an Oilers fan.

I have a friend who was an oilers fan. He was a "ship" with no "port" for several years.

He was noticeably confused over that franchise "move".

[betheafan41]

I'm with you on this one, I want them to look at every angle possible and I think they will. If they draft somebody other than Luck I would be shocked. If you were so inclined to, I would say you could start ordering your Colts Luck jersey right now.

come draft day once Lucks name is said with the first pick by the colts I will be ordering mine and putting my manning jersey up on the wall.

[betheafan41]

We hope.

But don't say that to an Oilers fan.

I have a friend who was an oilers fan. He was a "ship" with no "port" for several years.

He was noticeably confused over that franchise "move".

lol right.

[FireJimCaldwell]

And you won't be having caldwell over for dinner either?

No that won't be happening either.

[jlid]

Peyton spent 2010 putting a band-aid on the broken leg that was revealed in 2011. We've needed to rebuild for the past 2 years at least(I'd argue even longer). We've been gift-wrapped the hardest part of the rebuilding process. If we pass on that just to cling onto a couple of 9-7 seasons, then the fans deserve the blame for what this franchise will be in 5 years, which is one of the biggest laughingstocks in the league. Peyton's greatness delayed the need to completely rebuild, but it's time to let go

[betheafan41]

Peyton spent 2010 putting a band-aid on the broken leg that was revealed in 2011. We've needed to rebuild for the past 2 years at least(I'd argue even longer). We've been gift-wrapped the hardest part of the rebuilding process. If we pass on that just to cling onto a couple of 9-7 seasons, then the fans deserve the blame for what this franchise will be in 5 years, which is one of the biggest laughingstocks in the league. Peyton's greatness delayed the need to completely rebuild, but it's time to let go

I could have not said it any better. time to let manning go and bring in a fresh arm. Manning did a great job in indy

[John Dee]

Im all for getting Andrew luck and having him possibly sit behind Peyton but instead of wasting a 1st round pick for the future what about trying to make a move for Ryan mallett in terms of

Qb he was said to be the best in last years draft if it wasnt for off the field stuff and he has been quiet this year after learning this "patriot" way and he would come to us for maybe like a 3rd rounder I think that could be a good scenario and we trade down to like the browns and get

Their 2 first round picks

OK... the first Ryan Malott ... thread..??

Really...????

BB is a genius after all............................

[John Dee]

I didnt realize grigson was here choosing all the qbs. Oh thats right he wasnt. So that so called track record means squat bro

Nice list bro... nice to see you have the time to do IT.............

[John Dee]

I definently agree, if we traded away the first pick and passed on Luck to get someone like foles or keenum chances are the colts will end up with another Curtis Painter or Jim Sorgi. then fans will want Irsays and the new GM's head on a silver platter. Luck is the safer bet, and should be done come draft day even if they keep manning. Irsay isnt going to mess up again on passing on a qb that is the future of the team. people dont remember polian saying him not drafting a back up plan for if manning went down for the year is some of the reason why he got fired.

THIS.......

AND a jr varsity .... whatever wwilll lll seeit coming throough with a passiron,,,,,

[John Dee]

I could have not said it any better. time to let manning go and bring in a fresh arm. Manning did a great job in indy

rocket arm...........

[Jules]

Im all for getting Andrew luck and having him possibly sit behind Peyton but instead of wasting a 1st round pick for the future what about trying to make a move for Ryan mallett in terms of

Qb he was said to be the best in last years draft if it wasnt for off the field stuff and he has been quiet this year after learning this "patriot" way and he would come to us for maybe like a 3rd rounder I think that could be a good scenario and we trade down to like the browns and get

Their 2 first round picks

Wouldn't that also be wasting a pick on the future? Or two?

Yes, by all means. Let's give the Pats more draft picks to spend on bad WRs and DBs.

No No No.

[FL_COLTSFAN_407]

I never understand why people keep insisting to trade down

THe logic is that no rookie will be able to be peyton manning, so instead of getting the closest guy to his skill set, you want to trade down and get another average qb and think he will be better to replace PM. Polian who drafted manning has always gone with the principle of drafting the best player available even if its not your biggest need. Polian had a decent QB in harabaugh, he could of fteraded the 1st pick and got a boat load of picks to compliment and fill out a colts team. He decided he rather draft the best player available, Peyton Manning because he would the be franchise and cornerstone to build upon.

We have a chance to replace the biggest colts legend with a guy that has the potential to be a legend himself. Franchise QB don't come around very often. Its ridiculous to waste the opportunity to have our future set for next 15 years. Look at teams that have won sb without a franchise qb. They may win a sb, but after that they fall from grace and have to start over. With a true franchise QB you will compete every single year and have a chance to win it every year. Thats what we have with Manning and what we can have with luck

[braveheartcolt]

I never understand why people keep insisting to trade down THe logic is that no rookie will be able to be peyton manning, so instead of getting the closest guy to his skill set, you want to trade down and get another average qb and think he will be better to replace PM. Polian who drafted manning has always gone with the principle of drafting the best player available even if its not your biggest need. Polian had a decent QB in harabaugh, he could of fteraded the 1st pick and got a boat load of picks to compliment and fill out a colts team. He decided he rather draft the best player available, Peyton Manning because he would the be franchise and cornerstone to build upon. We have a chance to replace the biggest colts legend with a guy that has the potential to be a legend himself. Franchise QB don't come around very often. Its ridiculous to waste the opportunity to have our future set for next 15 years. Look at teams that have won sb without a franchise qb. They may win a sb, but after that they fall from grace and have to start over. With a true franchise QB you will compete every single year and have a chance to win it every year. Thats what we have with Manning and what we can have with luck

I just hope that Andrew Luck has got huge feet, as he has some very big shoes to fill.......

[John Dee]

Im all for getting Andrew luck and having him possibly sit behind Peyton but instead of wasting a 1st round pick for the future what about trying to make a move for Ryan mallett in terms of

Qb he was said to be the best in last years draft if it wasnt for off the field stuff and he has been quiet this year after learning this "patriot" way and he would come to us for maybe like a 3rd rounder I think that could be a good scenario and we trade down to like the browns and get

Their 2 first round picks

In a couple years Brady will be sitting in Manning's seat... for what ever reason...