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16 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Leonard is such a key to that team but I have to admit I was shocked they let the Warriors walk on them after his injury. POPS should've been able to Coach them to a Game 1 win with a 23 point lead IMO.

 

Same here, I figured a lead like they had in game 1, they still should have won it. Warriors are that good but......I was hoping they could gear up and win a game or two and show the usual Spurs fight. 

 

And then after game 1 I admit Pops went a tad over board ranting on the injury, being dirty (when the Spurs have been dirty as hell too over time) and then making excuses. Just glad he left out politics but I admit Pops and politics is some of my favorite podcasts to listen to. 

 

I mean Boston was still able to steal a win in Cleveland and were close in game 4 as well if Kyrie didn't have that monster game, no excuses IMO.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Luck is Good said:

Miami will never be the same. Olynyk is gonna tear up that city. The alcohol, recreational and women. He's gonna be big time

 

"Watch out ladies here I come!!!."

 

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12 hours ago, Myles said:

You have no credible argument.   Since OKC and Utah screwed up, it makes the Pacers screw up good?   Bull$%^&.    Have you named the NBA champs without a top 8 draft pick on their team yet?

 

We got role players in return.   Which is OK, but the Pacers could have had 1st round draft picks instead.    The Pacers are NOT going to attract a top 10 player in the league to join them.   You need to give up on that hope.   Heck, they couldn't even manage to keep the best player they drafted in the past 20 years.   Oh yeah, they needed a top 10 draft pick in order to get him.

 Paul George was drafted 10th. You can play with stats.

Have you named a championship team without any free agents on it?

Draft choices are always perfect because no draft choice has ever lost a game.

We needed players..We got players..

We did not a get role player, in Oladipo ..that's not a sincere comment

15 a game for 4 years. All-rookie team in 2014

 Victor Oladipo had a higher scoring average than anyone we now have on the roster..and Oladipo  was playing with Russell Westbrook, who took a few shots.

I don't have to explain Oladipo to IU fans

 

What do you mean 'manage to keep him'? referring to PG. He left in free agency.

Hard to accept but  It happens to all teams

and we got something, Not just something but two of your 'studs' drafted 2nd and 11 the. OKC got nothing....Utah (at this moment) got nothing..

You have yet to explain how the Pacers, a horrible franchise in your opinion, got more than Utah and OKC,.

We got 2 starters and we had less leverage than they did.

To be honest, you have to give them credit

 

I know that fans feel they must rip the home team to justify being fans..but if the Pacers have terrible players, terrible management, no history and no future....why post about them?

 

We got 2 players when we had no leverage at all

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7 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

No but he is a SuperStar and a Top 15 player in todays game. Those guys don't grow on trees. Talking SF's - Is he LeBron or Durant - No but he is on Leonard's level, Leonard just plays harder during the Regular Season. PG is better than Butler and Hayward.

 

PG on Leonard's level? HA! Leonard has been in MVP discussions. PG? Nope... I'd take Butler, and especially, Leonard in a heartbeat over PG. PG got soft, wanted to whine about not winning - partially his fault due to his absolute * poor shooting nights, and again, I'm glad Prichard sent his as' out West. He can go and shoot as many of those broke as' jump shots that Westbrook will allow him to.

 

To the bolded... EXACTLY the reason I'd tell PG to go kick rocks and take Leonard. 

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2 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

PG on Leonard's level? HA! Leonard has been in MVP discussions. PG? Nope... I'd take Butler, and especially, Leonard in a heartbeat over PG. PG got soft, wanted to whine about not winning - partially his fault due to his absolute * poor shooting nights, and again, I'm glad Prichard sent his as' out West. He can go and shoot as many of those broke as' jump shots that Westbrook will allow him to.

 

To the bolded... EXACTLY the reason I'd tell PG to go kick rocks and take Leonard. 

I think OKC is going to surprise you, they wont beat the Warriors but they will make the WCFinals IMO.

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2 hours ago, RockThatBlue said:

Good signing by the Spurs. You need offense to beat GS and Gay is a good scorer.

 

Free agent forward Rudy Gay has agreed to a two year deal with the Spurs, league sourcs tell ESPN.

This doesn't make sense to me.  Rudy Gay is known to be a volume shooter who doesn't always have the best shot selection.  Popp will have to work his magic here

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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I think OKC is going to surprise you, they wont beat the Warriors but they will make the WCFinals IMO.

 

I got no idea, but I have to think if OKC makes it the WCFs that maybe "maybe" PG would reconsider the Lakers dreams he has, especially if L.A. sucks this year again. Unless he really is that stuck in Lakers fan land mentally kinda like Carmelo was always obsessed with being on the Knicks since he was from NY as a kid I think.

 

 

Oh and someone has to sign Rondo I hear. I heard the Lakers have interest and the Knicks. Dear God, I hope it's the Lakers so I can see Rondo light up LaVar Ball. Since Rondo is the ultimate snake in disguise.......

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Just now, Jules said:

 

I got no idea, but I have to think if OKC makes it the WCFs that maybe "maybe" PG would reconsider the Lakers dreams he has, especially if L.A. sucks this year again. Unless he really is that stuck in Lakers fan land mentally kinda like Carmelo was always obsessed with being on the Knicks since he was from NY as a kid I think.

 

 

Oh and someone has to sign Rondo I hear. I heard the Lakers have interest and the Knicks. Dear God, I hope it's the Lakers so I can see Rondo light up LaVar Ball. Since Rondo is the ultimate snake in disguise.......

I heard that.  Rondo and young Ball might be Okay..but Rondo and Psycho Dad might have to be kept apart as the season goes on..

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Yeah, I don't get the Oklahoma City doubters. Hell they won almost 50 games while just having one super star. They'll win over 50 with PG. Will they beat the Warriors? No. But they'll be a good team, maybe even very good. Westbrook and PG will do very good together.

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7 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

Yeah, I don't get the Oklahoma City doubters. Hell they won almost 50 games while just having one super star. They'll win over 50 with PG. Will they beat the Warriors? No. But they'll be a good team, maybe even very good. Westbrook and PG will do very good together.

I have to agree. I think it will be a good fit..

....PG can run the floor with Westbrook..He can spot up for a '3'

When teams force OKC into the halfcourt...Paul can get his shot on almost anybody

 

..and he's a good defensive match for guys like Leonard and Durant

..and now. Westbrook can sit down for 8 minutes a game without OKC going into a death spiral

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1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

watching the summer League game in Utah tonight

Jazz fans are not taking the loss of Hayward very well..

 

Signs like 'Cow-ward..was afraid of the West'

and 'BetrayWard'....we re some of the kindest

 

Even Utah people can be cruel

 

I heard that tonight Jayson Tatum "stared down" the Utah bench. lmaolmaolmao This whole situation is getting kinda funny. 

 

And oh my God.......Jazz fans be wilder then I ever imagined since Hayward left.:eek: But seriously they got to leave his wife out of this and I heard they have been warned to do so online. Since it was getting uncalled for in that regard.

 

 

Just now, oldunclemark said:

I heard that.  Rondo and young Ball might be Okay..but Rondo and Psycho Dad might have to be kept apart as the season goes on..

 

Oh please make this happen higher powers.........

 

It's funny how innocent little Rondo looks but reports were he has made everyone around him no matter where he is go insane. 

 

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1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

Never liked Phil after he dumped Jeanne Buss....That was a worse decision that signing Joakim Noah

 

Yeah former Laker girl and nude model. Phil was going all Hugh Hefner there for a while in L.A.  Guess poor old Phil ran out of viagra and took his talents to New York.

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18 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

Yeah, I don't get the Oklahoma City doubters. Hell they won almost 50 games while just having one super star. They'll win over 50 with PG. Will they beat the Warriors? No. But they'll be a good team, maybe even very good. Westbrook and PG will do very good together.

Yeah I like that teams makeup a lot. Houston getting CP3 doesn't impress me and the Spurs are old in the tooth with Pau, Parker, and Manu. Aldridge is inconsistent as well. Leonard is a Great player but the Thunder now have a player that can hang with him in PG. Westbrook will destroy their Guards and Adams and Kanter are 2 Good young Big's.

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28 minutes ago, Jules said:

 

I got no idea, but I have to think if OKC makes it the WCFs that maybe "maybe" PG would reconsider the Lakers dreams he has, especially if L.A. sucks this year again. Unless he really is that stuck in Lakers fan land mentally kinda like Carmelo was always obsessed with being on the Knicks since he was from NY as a kid I think.

 

 

Oh and someone has to sign Rondo I hear. I heard the Lakers have interest and the Knicks. Dear God, I hope it's the Lakers so I can see Rondo light up LaVar Ball. Since Rondo is the ultimate snake in disguise.......

Lakers wont make a splash until next summer, that is when PG and Westbrook will join Lonzo and OKC will be burning jersey's, just kidding but you never know :lol:

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11 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah I like that teams makeup a lot. Houston getting CP3 doesn't impress me and the Spurs are old in the tooth with Pau, Parker, and Manu. Aldridge is inconsistent as well. Leonard is a Great player but the Thunder now have a player that can hang with him in PG. Westbrook will destroy their Guards and Adams and Kanter are 2 Good young Big's.

This is one of those things where we see if we actually do know anything about basketball.

I will say it. I do not see how James Harden and Chris Paul can play together effectively and win.

Harden flourished with the ball in his hands..almost MVP level.

Now, you take the ball away from him and run him around picks and screens??

No way that works. And there's no way Chris Paul, at his age, can begin playing off the ball and be effective.

And how is that duo on defense.?  

 

But they clearly think it can work.....

There must be something I'm missing here

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Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Lakers wont make a splash until next summer, that is when PG and Westbrook will join Lonzo and OKC will be burning jersey's, just kidding but you never know :lol:

 

I am hearing per Lakers fans that "PG is in OKC to recruit Westbrook!."

 

I don't really see that though happening now but I would not mind seeing another jersey burning ritual. 

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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Lakers wont make a splash until next summer, that is when PG and Westbrook will join Lonzo and OKC will be burning jersey's, just kidding but you never know :lol:

If Westbrook and PG both jump OKC after this coming season....that franchise may have to move to Vegas

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1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

This is one of those things where we see if we actually do know anything about basketball.

I will say it. I do not see how James Harden and Chris Paul can ply together effectively and win.

Harden flourished with the ball in his hands..almost MVP level.

Now, you take the ball away from him and run him around picks and screens??

No way that works. And there's now way Chris Paul, at his age, can begin playing off the ball and be effective.

And how is that duo on defense.?  

 

But they clearly think it can work.....

There must be something I'm missing here

I agree 100%. best Post you have made in days. That is a Chemistry nightmare waiting to happen. Harden needs the ball a lot and was the Point last season. PG is a perfect fit for Westbrook, he doesn't need the ball all the time.

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1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

If Westbrook and PG both jump OKC after this coming season....that franchise may have to move to Vegas

You think Westbrook is walking away from a super max deal? PG may split but I think it will be by himself. The Lakers could get burnt by their unwillingness to make a real offer especially if Dadfdy Ball creates a circus You think that might happen 

 

We pay Monta 2.5 M a year for 5 yrs next year is void 

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5 minutes ago, Jules said:

 

I am hearing per Lakers fans that "PG is in OKC to recruit Westbrook!."

 

I don't really see that though happening now but I would not mind seeing another jersey burning ritual. 

Lakers will have tons of Cap Space next summer if they don't do nothing this summer. 1 more bad season for Magic then look out because they may sign an army of Stars next summer. Nobody is beating the Warriors anyway this next season, so Magic is probably thinking I will get Lonzo 1 year experience and Ingram another year then unleash.

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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Lakers will have tons of Cap Space next summer if they don't do nothing this summer. 1 more bad season for Magic then look out because they may sign an army of Stars next summer. Nobody is beating the Warriors anyway this next season, so Magic is probably thinking I will get Lonzo 1 year experience and Ingram another year then unleash.

The Warriors are stacked but they still have to win the games. I don't think the can withstand an injury to Curry or Durant. I don't want to see that happen but things happen Curry hasn't been the most durable guy.

 

I'd love to see PG stay with Westbrook and Lebron stay in the East. The Ball family blow up in LA and the Lakers not become a super team 

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3 minutes ago, akcolt said:

The Warriors are stacked but they still have to win the games. I don't think the can withstand an injury to Curry or Durant. I don't want to see that happen but things happen Curry hasn't been the most durable guy.

 

I'd love to see PG stay with Westbrook and Lebron stay in the East. The Ball family blow up in LA and the Lakers not become a super team 

Year to year you never know what can happen that is for sure. In Baseball the Brew Crew showing my Cubs who are the kings for example lmao 

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10 minutes ago, akcolt said:

You think Westbrook is walking away from a super max deal? PG may split but I think it will be by himself. The Lakers could get burnt by their unwillingness to make a real offer especially if Dadfdy Ball creates a circus You think that might happen 

 

We pay Monta 2.5 M a year for 5 yrs next year is void 

ak.....about Westbrook walking away from a Super Max....

He could..he;s made a ton already/// I think the Psycho Dad Ball situation wont go well if the Lakers dont win right away...

 

....Thanks abut Monta.....we cleared cap space....

I dont know who picks him up. He cant get to the basket and score like he used to and he was never a great 3-point shooter

San Antonio may need a guard and they like old guys

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1 hour ago, oldunclemark said:

ak.....about Westbrook walking away from a Super Max....

He could..he;s made a ton already/// I think the Psycho Dad Ball situation wont go well if the Lakers dont win right away...

 

....Thanks abut Monta.....we cleared cap space....

I dont know who picks him up. He cant get to the basket and score like he used to and he was never a great 3-point shooter

San Antonio may need a guard and they like old guys

Hie got old pretty quickly on us. Spurs could be a landing spot but what does he offer? He was never a big threat from deep as you pointed out he's lost a step. He struggles getting to the cup top if off with his suspension. It's not looking good. 

 

I know we don't do the RFA very often. After Rudy signed there's a bit of a jam at SF in SA. We might consider trying to sneak in and make a move on Simmons. 

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8 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

 Paul George was drafted 10th. You can play with stats.

Have you named a championship team without any free agents on it?

Draft choices are always perfect because no draft choice has ever lost a game.

We needed players..We got players..

We did not a get role player, in Oladipo ..that's not a sincere comment

15 a game for 4 years. All-rookie team in 2014

 Victor Oladipo had a higher scoring average than anyone we now have on the roster..and Oladipo  was playing with Russell Westbrook, who took a few shots.

I don't have to explain Oladipo to IU fans

 

What do you mean 'manage to keep him'? referring to PG. He left in free agency.

Hard to accept but  It happens to all teams

and we got something, Not just something but two of your 'studs' drafted 2nd and 11 the. OKC got nothing....Utah (at this moment) got nothing..

You have yet to explain how the Pacers, a horrible franchise in your opinion, got more than Utah and OKC,.

We got 2 starters and we had less leverage than they did.

To be honest, you have to give them credit

 

I know that fans feel they must rip the home team to justify being fans..but if the Pacers have terrible players, terrible management, no history and no future....why post about them?

 

We got 2 players when we had no leverage at all

You don't read very well.

"What do you mean 'manage to keep him'? referring to PG. He left in free agency".

Yes, the Pacers didn't keep him.    What don't you understand?

 

"You have yet to explain how the Pacers, a horrible franchise in your opinion".

Don't recall saying they were a horrible franchise.   A team can make a mistake and not be horrible.   Way to blow things up.:thinking:

 

We got 2 players when we had no leverage at all

We blew the little leverage we had by waiting too long.  

 

You still haven't shown me the Champions without a top 8 draft pick on their team?   I'm not surprised.  

Best case scenerio, how many games do you have the Pacers winning this season?   I'd say 40-44.  That puts us as a 7th or 8th seed in the East.   How do you anticipate that the Pacers can get to a championship level?   

 

 

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1 hour ago, Myles said:

You don't read very well.

"What do you mean 'manage to keep him'? referring to PG. He left in free agency".

Yes, the Pacers didn't keep him.    What don't you understand?

 

"You have yet to explain how the Pacers, a horrible franchise in your opinion".

Don't recall saying they were a horrible franchise.   A team can make a mistake and not be horrible.   Way to blow things up.:thinking:

 

We got 2 players when we had no leverage at all

We blew the little leverage we had by waiting too long.  

 

You still haven't shown me the Champions without a top 8 draft pick on their team?   I'm not surprised.  

Best case scenerio, how many games do you have the Pacers winning this season?   I'd say 40-44.  That puts us as a 7th or 8th seed in the East.   How do you anticipate that the Pacers can get to a championship level?   

 

 

The Pacers couldn't keep Paul George, as you know

They never had leverage ..once it became known he wanted to go to LA...as you know..

The deals you heard about (for players  Boston is now unloading or 4 Atlanta draft choices) were not as good as the 2 players they got.. as you know.

I like what they got for him. I like Victor Oladipo a lot.

I think you do, too but you cant admit it during this 'Terrible deal' debate.

 

I cant 'show you' anything because, without seeing the new players, you argue they cant help much in the future?  Why?   "You keep saying a franchise cant do this and cant do that....and I have to prove to you what the future holds?

 What is it about you that makes you argue so hard against (what I assume is) your team. The past is not the future.

You seem to feel it is honest to be negative.....or project what you see (and label in advance) as failure. You cite the past as evidence of future failure,.

That's the ultimate in negativity. Not only are things bad now (in your opinion) but they will continue to be and you know that because you just know it.

 

I like the 40 years of the Indiana Pacers existence..Its been good for me

I don't consider every year we don't win an NBA title a failure. 

There is no 'path to a championship level' that's a myth. We just keep trying to get there. The Cavs didnt have a path... Neither did Golden State. 

Its hindsight to say they did.

 

If the Pacers are 40-42  and make the post-season, I'd be very happy with that. I'm guessing you would not be.

I want the Pacers to make the playoffs this season like they have the last 2.

Add a small forward to this group and that's very possible.

You don't think the can? Okay...... but neither one of us know

In pro sports, playoffs are the goal and they should be every year. Pretty simple.

 

and if the Pacers make the post-season I'm going to be fine with it.

Don't let it upset you

 

 

 

 

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Just to clarify:

I like the Pacers and they do a great job at putting a competitive team on the floor.   I think next year they will do the same.   Probably get close to .500.    That is great for a team in Indiana's situation.   But a Championship is not going to happen.

Todays NBA is driven by the top 10 players in the league.  The Pacers cannot attract a top free agent.   Too many other draws out there.   With the "super team" concept becoming even more popular, it doesn't help the Pacers.   So they need this guy from the draft.   Unfortunately picking in the high teens or low 20's has a low shot of getting a stud.    Should they tank?   NO.   However they should make trades that can land them in the top 10.

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