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Also, I was very curious to see how the early analysts were projecting this class at the end of the 2021 season to see how widely things have changed. Found this super interesting. On May 4, 2022 Dane Brugler put out his super early mock draft for 2023 before this recent 2022 season was played. Super interesting to see much of this has not changed a whole lot. (I also like Brugler and think his opinions are some of the better ones amongst analysts, which is why I tried to see if he had said anything) His top 10 (posting in case people can't access the article on The Athletic): 1. CJ Stroud 2. Bryce Young 3. Will Anderson 4. Kelee Ringo 5. Will Levis 6. Jalen Carter 7. Tyler Van * 8. Jaxon Smith-Njigba 9. Bryan Bresee 10. Michael Mayer Outside of Ringo, you could argue that the top-6 has not changed a whole heck of a lot. Why is this important if at all? Mainly because these NFL teams scout these guys for years. They aren't just looking at them now for the first time. Also interesting, in his post-2021 and pre-2022 future draft rankings for 2022 Brugler had the QBs ranked as the following (with their best asset listed): 1. CJ Stroud- touch and anticipation 2. Bryce Young- Poise and processing 3. Will Levis- NFL level tools 4. Tanner McKee- Ball placement 5. Anthony Richardson- Rare physical profile Sound familiar? All these things are stillllllll the same. Especially amongst the big 4 QBs. So I, for one, am not going to go down the path of hating on Levis if he is the choice. He may be my 3rd option, but he has the goods and is worthy of the 1.04 if the staff thinks they can work with him and unlock his potential and make him even more consistent. https://theathletic.com/3290071/2022/05/03/nfl-mock-draft-2023/ https://theathletic.com/3415147/2022/07/12/nfl-draft-2023-qb-scouting/ -
Making up a boogie man out of thin air i see! Analysis paralysis. Quarterback coaches exist for a reason to help out with identifying pressures and navigating the pocket. So basically we would just tank the whole season bc you feel like(not confirmed in the least bit) Stroud would have problems with pressure so we can be in position to have the #1 pick. And once in position what happens when you find out a new stat about the QB in 24 you dont like? Do we tank again? How many times you want to do that? All this bc of your unconfirmed fears and concerns? Last generational QB we had what did that get us? Not even 1 Super Bowl. You cant hang your whole hat on that. The tanking proposal has desperation all over it, but then you chide somebody else about picking a QB due to desperation? You'd really need to do a whale of a job explaining how picking Stroud represents an act of desperation. -
By NewColtsFan · Posted
If he’s still in the team, there’s a reason. Even if none of us knows what it is. But I wouldn’t link Foles being on the team to the Colts NOT picking a QB in the draft. Take a deep breath. Have a little faith. Get good sleep. Better days ahead. -
Intentionally yes. But if you go with let's say Will Anderson if he is there and ride it out with the current Qb roster you may have a chance at getting to one next year. -
So, I have been pretty open and transparent that for the Colts, what we will likely run, and how i think they will likely evaluate these guys, I would rank the big 4 (in terms of fit and what i would want to see): Stroud, Richardson, Levis, Young. All that being said, the total angst for Levis is insane. I have come around to sell myself on him simply because I believe Stroud will be gone and if it comes down to Richardson and Levis I have a much easier time believing the Colts would draft Levis over Richardson. I know that many, many analysts and fans and twitter warriors love the athleticism and the upside of Richardson. And I totally get it. But here is the thing: As much as Richardson's tools, upside and testing numbers are what is elevating him, people say what truly holds him back is the lack of experience, completion percentage/inaccuracy, etc. Here is something nobody really says: What if the "only 13 games" thing on Richardson is actually helping him instead of hurting him? If Richardson went back to school next year and had a terrible year (think what some people say of Levis' 2022 vs his 2021), Richardson would likely fall completely out of any first round consideration and any franchise QB talk. I would argue the fact that he doesn't have experience yet is helping his stock. People can still talk about "what he could be" since he hasn't fallen on his face yet. This is the exact reason why I am actually OK with Levis. Things could not have gone much worse for him last season and yet he is still absolutely considered a 1st round QB and in many circles still a top-10 pick. I wonder where he would rank amongst prospects if he had that 2021 season this past year. If we were evaluating his 2021 and his upside shown in 2021 compared to the other 3 then i think he is seen in a much different light. Also, Richardson may have some baseline of a floor w his rushing that is decent like the clip that @Restinpeacesweetchloe posted from Mina Kimes and RGIII backing Richardson. But here is the thing. Look at all of the criticism that was heaped on Lamar Jackson and Justin Fields and guys like them that people claimed were "RBs playing QB." And both of them were much more established throwing the ball coming out compared to Richardson. Every year it is said to "ignore what you hear during draft season" because so much misinformation and shiftiness happens as agendas are pushed and as teams jockey to elevate guys they dont want and depress guys that they do want. To me it is telling that Richardson's stock has catapulted sky high during the draft season when basically everyone knew he was going to test as an all-time elite combine specimen. Yet when the college season ended he was seen as a pick maybe in the teens or early 20s based on possible upside. Now everywhere has him top-5. Levis was seen in that top-5 to top-10 range to start and is now falling. Nothing has changed w their tape. Nothing has changed with injuries. These guys are the same guys they were months ago and yet the narrative is so different now. Just doesn't sit right with me. It is the reason why i think we hear whispers that "teams and evaluators probably have Levis a lot higher than draft analysts, media and fans do". At the end of the day, I am in agreement with a bunch of the fans in our forum that think "give me the guy with the greatest upside and the highest high and let's hope we help him reach that consistently". That is why most folks want Richardson (myself included). But I would be remiss to not say that Levis' considerable upside is just a tick below Richardson in my eyes. If we end up drafting either Richardson or Levis I think both of them could have top-10 NFL QB upside if they can realize their potential. But for both of them that will be a big IF.
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