2017-2018 Indiana Pacers and Everything NBA Thread

[jshipp23]

14 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

There's no comparison between Hood and Batum.

Rodney Hood is 25 years old and he averages 16 a game....just like he did last year

Nicholas Batum will be 30 this fall..and he averages 12 a game...

Hood is a better player and he could get better.

 

Myles Turner is already a better player than Batum is now. You know that.

Aaron Gordon is way better than Hood..

[oldunclemark]

Just now, jshipp23 said:

Aaron Gordon is way better than Hood..

And he's younger.

But we're definetly talking a max deal there because they have declined his 5th year option. He's a free man and a dozan teams will want him.

 

Is he worth a max deal..is it a gamble worth taking?

[Bluefire4]

16 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

There's no comparison between Hood and Batum.

Rodney Hood is 25 years old and he averages 16 a game....just like he did last year

Nicholas Batum will be 30 this fall..and he averages 12 a game...

Hood is a better player and he could get better.

 

Myles Turner is already a better player than Batum is now. You know that.

When Batum got signed he was looked at as a ascending player who was one of the best two way players in the league and he was only 27. Things change very quickly in this league.

 

Hood's ceiling is good starter and floor is bust contract that we will be looking to unload in a couple of years. That's not helping us win a championship. It's hindering us. 

[Bluefire4]

38 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

The is talk on-line that the Pacers may pursue Orlando's Aaron Gordon after this season.

Gordon wants his first big contract and Orlando isn't hearing that.

6-foot-9 and 220....will be 23 in September.....Averages 18 points and 8 rebounds

Not a great 3-point shooter but good on offense and defense, according to numbers

 

We have the money (it will take Victor money - 20 mil a year) but has anyone seen a lot of him.

 I haven't watched Orlando a lot

The Magic would be *ic to not give Aaron Gordon a max contract. The guy is scoring 18 and 8 at 22 years old. Anyone that watches him play see he is a future all-star. I don't believe any rumors that the Magic are going to do whatever it takes to re-sign him. They already lost Oladipo, they can't lose Gordon.

[oldunclemark]

Just now, Bluefire4 said:

When Batum got signed he was looked at as a ascending player who was one of the best two way players in the league and he was only 27. Things change very quickly in this league.

 

Hood's ceiling is good starter and floor is bust contract that we will be looking to unload in a couple of years. That's not helping us win a championship. It's hindering us. 

Batum has been a major disappointment to Charlotte......But there's no evidence Hood will flop, is there.

. He's averaged double figures for 4 years...16.7 ppg this year....16.3 last year..

 

....I want to build a team with a lot of good players. Hood would just be one of them

I want to build with vets, like we have this year. Not 19 year olds

[oldunclemark]

6 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

The Magic would be *ic to not give Aaron Gordon a max contract. The guy is scoring 18 and 8 at 22 years old. Anyone that watches him play see he is a future all-star. I don't believe any rumors that the Magic are going to do whatever it takes to re-sign him. They already lost Oladipo, they can't lose Gordon.

I understand why you say that...but they declined his 5th year option.

For some reason...his 5th year 'cap hit' is $16 mil

 

That may be why they didn't give him the 5th year on the rookie deal.

They can match any offer but offers for him are going to be max deals

Edited February 16, 2018 by oldunclemark

[Bluefire4]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

Batum has been a major disappointment to Charlotte......But there's no evidence Hood will flop, is there.

. He's averaged double figures for 4 years...16.7 ppg this year....16.3 last year..

 

....I want to build a team with a lot of good players. Hood would just be one of them

I want to build with vets, like we have this year. Not 19 year olds

We're not winning championships with signing vets. That's why the front office is being smart and trying to add a pick by taking on a contract that some team is trying to get off of their books. If we want to win a championship, we have to follow the Warriors method and build through the draft.

 

I'm not paying anybody 18 million dollars for someone that I don't see as a potential star. Hood doesn't shoot off the dribble or get his own shot, he plays like JR Smith.

[Bluefire4]

2 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

I understand why you say that...but they declined his 5th year option

Yeah but he just broke out this year. He did not play like this in his first 3 years, but they should have known he had the potential.

 

That's why I'm cautioning people about Myles Turner. Some players take longer to develop. It took Deandre Jordan 3 years. Hassan Whiteside was out of the league in 2014-2015. If you see unique traits and star quality, you stick with those players.

[oldunclemark]

2 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

We're not winning championships with signing vets. That's why the front office is being smart and trying to add a pick by taking on a contract that some team is trying to get off of their books. If we want to win a championship, we have to follow the Warriors method and build through the draft.

 

I'm not paying anybody 18 million dollars for someone that I don't see as a potential star. Hood doesn't shoot off the dribble or get his own shot, he plays like JR Smith.

we just disagree.

I think you win by acquiring young vets.

You cant follow the GSW 'method' They were lucky to get Curry....a half dozen teams passed on him

And everybody passes on Draymond

 

Let guys prove themselves and pick up the pieces of a winner.

Like we did this year.

$18 mil isn't that big a paycheck and it sure wont be in   3 or 4  years.

If we want to keep Thad Young. we're going to have to give him $18-$20, right?

 

[oldunclemark]

12 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

Yeah but he just broke out this year. He did not play like this in his first 3 years, but they should have known he had the potential.

 

That's why I'm cautioning people about Myles Turner. Some players take longer to develop. It took Deandre Jordan 3 years. Hassan Whiteside was out of the league in 2014-2015. If you see unique traits and star quality, you stick with those players.

'Unique traits' and 'star quality'

Those are very hard to define.

So you trust your scouts and grab a guy with potential when another team is cash strapped (or cap-strapped)

I'm not campaigning for Aaron Gordon...I haven't seen enough of him.

But his age /.23 and his numbers 18 ppg... are worth a gamble...

 

All players are a gamble     and you don't always have time to wait until you know for sure.

We need to make decisions on Myles Turner this off-season.  This biggest being.

Does he want to stay with us? 

I think he's an $18 mil player.....but if he wants the max.......we have to act. That's the business

 

[Bluefire4]

3 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

'Unique traits' and 'star quality'

Those are very hard to define.

So you trust your scouts and grab a guy with potential when another team is cash strapped (or cap-strapped)

I'm not campaigning for Aaron Gordon...I haven't seen enough of him.

But his age /.23 and his numbers 18 ppg... are worth a gamble...

 

All players are a gamble     and you don't always have time to wait until you know for sure.

We need to make decisions on Myles Turner this off-season.  This biggest being.

Does he want to stay with us? 

I think he's an $18 mil player.....but if he wants the max.......we have to act. That's the business

 

Again, I disagree that we have to make a decision this offseason. Just like Aaron Gordon, Myles does not have to sign an extension if he doesn't think he's getting what he deserves. He can come out next year and prove it in his stats in year 4 just like Gordon did, and get a max contract from us the following summer.

 

That would also help with our salary cap situation as we can go over the cap to keep Myles but cannot go over the cap to sign other free agents.

 

[jshipp23]

29 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

And he's younger.

But we're definetly talking a max deal there because they have declined his 5th year option. He's a free man and a dozan teams will want him.

 

Is he worth a max deal..is it a gamble worth taking?

Yeah I like him a lot! If we can add him to current team without losing anything we are contending for East next year..Great athlete, good defender too..He still has a lot of upside..

[Bluefire4]

15 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

we just disagree.

I think you win by acquiring young vets.

You cant follow the GSW 'method' They were lucky to get Curry....a half dozen teams passed on him

And everybody passes on Draymond

 

Let guys prove themselves and pick up the pieces of a winner.

Like we did this year.

$18 mil isn't that big a paycheck and it sure wont be in   3 or 4  years.

If we want to keep Thad Young. we're going to have to give him $18-$20, right?

 

We just better hope Thad Young opts out after this season. We only have $5 million in cap space right now but it could get to $40 million if Thad and Cory Joseph opt out, and we don't bring back Al Jefferson or Lance Stephenson on team deals. (Not saying I wouldn't bring Lance back, just pointing out how much money we could have). We could only have $15 million if Cory and Thad opt in, and we keep Lance.

 

But like I posted earlier, after that Oladipo/Sabonis trade I am wiling to trust this front office to do what they think is best for the team. I'll just leave it at that.

[oldunclemark]

2 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

Again, I disagree that we have to make a decision this offseason. Just like Aaron Gordon, Myles does not have to sign an extension if he doesn't think he's getting what he deserves. He can come out next year and prove it in his stats in year 4 just like Gordon did, and get a max contract from us the following summer.

 

That would also help with our salary cap situation as we can go over the cap to keep Myles but cannot go over the cap to sign other free agents.

 

You are correct that technically we don't have to act this summer.

But to build a team, we need to lock Myles down at a number that works for both sides.

I dont want to give him a max deal,. I want to sign him to the $16-$20 mil deal I laid out

 

That puts us in good shape to create the team we want this summer.

I dont want to play the 'is he leaving' or 'is he staying' game again.

Capitalize on the good feelings from this season and sign Myles this summer.. on potential

 

 

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

You are correct that technically we don't have to act this summer.

But to build a team, we need to lock Myles down at a number that works for both sides.

I dont want to give him a max deal,. I want to sign him to the $16-$20 mil deal I laid out

 

That puts us in good shape to create the team we want this summer.

I dont want to play the 'is he leaving' or 'is he staying' game again.

Capitalize on the good feelings from this season and sign Myles this summer.. on potential

 

 

I agree! If he wants us to wait you trade him..He could bring in some great assets, and be the major piece in possible Kawhi trade..Im all about keeping him if he signs and we find a way to get Gordon too...Too much risk involved hoping he would be loyal..

[2006Coltsbestever]

If we just keep everyone in tact and sign a guy like JJ Reddick who is a Free Agent after the season to come off the bench as a 3 point specialist, we would probably be a 50 win team at worse. Reddick is a great chemistry guy. He wouldn't screw anything up IMO. Our core has perfect Chemistry and it's young in Oladipo = SuperStar (25), Turner = Good (21), Sabonis = Good (21), and Lance is still only 27. Imagine if we had Bogdanovic and Reddick spreading the floor nailing 3's like crazy to go with our Big's and Oladipo? I would keep Collison as well, he is a little older but still a Good Point Guard.

[Maniac]

Jokic not being an all star is a travesty. 

[oldunclemark]

13 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

We just better hope Thad Young opts out after this season. We only have $5 million in cap space right now but it could get to $40 million if Thad and Cory Joseph opt out, and we don't bring back Al Jefferson or Lance Stephenson on team deals. (Not saying I wouldn't bring Lance back, just pointing out how much money we could have). We could only have $15 million if Cory and Thad opt in, and we keep Lance.

 

But like I posted earlier, after that Oladipo/Sabonis trade I am wiling to trust this front office to do what they think is best for the team. I'll just leave it at that.

You've come around to my way of thinking.

I thought we made a good (Oladipo/Sabonis) deal at the time..

 

We also have a team option on Bogdonavic and that's $10 mil.

I think we have a team option on Lance....so he'll be back

Beyond that, we have no one signed for the 2019-2020 season other than Victor and rookies.

 

I think that Thad Young will test the free agent market. I really do.

 

Edited February 16, 2018 by oldunclemark

[oldunclemark]

6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If we just keep everyone in tact and sign a guy like JJ Reddick who is a Free Agent after the season to come off the bench as 3 point specialist, we would probably be a 50 win team at worse. Reddick is a great chemistry guy. He wouldn't screw anything up IMO. Our core has perfect Chemistry and it's young in Oladipo = SuperStar (25), Turner = Good (21), Sabonis = Good (21), and Lance is still only 27. Imagine if we had Bogdanovic and Reddick spreading the floor nailing 3's like crazy to go with our Big's and Oladipo? I would keep Collison as well, he is a little older but still a Good Point Guard.

The76ers just signed Marco Belinelli so they might not resign Reddick...

 

We're going to see about our 'chemistry' when Thad Young and Cory Joseph inform our front office whether or not they are opting out of their contracts..

I hope its possible for us to bring everyone back next season.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

The76ers just signed Marco Belinelli so they might not resign Reddick...

 

We're going to see about our 'chemistry' when Thad Young and Cory Joseph inform our front office whether or not they are opting out of their contracts..

I hope its possible for us to bring everyone back next season.

I would hate to lose Thad because his Rebounding is critical at times when Turner struggles.

[jshipp23]

16 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

You've come around to my way of thinking.

I thought we made a good (Oladipo/Sabonis) deal at the time..

 

We also have a team option on Bogdonavic and that's $10 mil.

I think we have a team option on Lance....so he'll be back

Beyond that, we have no one signed for the 2019-2020 season other than Victor and rookies.

 

I think that Thad Young will test the free agent market. I really do.

 

Lance better retire a Pacer...If we are dumb enough to let him go again we deserve mediocrity...

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I would hate to lose Thad because his Rebounding is critical at times when Turner struggles.

Last 2 games suddenly Turner can rebound!!lol..Somebody questioned his manhood and called his butt out! I like what I see last 2 games, that is what I expected from him..

[jshipp23]

5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I would hate to lose Thad because his Rebounding is critical at times when Turner struggles.

Thad is a valuable glue and chemistry guy much like Lance..You need those unselfish energy guys doing the dirty work to be a successful team....

[Maniac]

9 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

The76ers just signed Marco Belinelli so they might not resign Reddick...

 

We're going to see about our 'chemistry' when Thad Young and Cory Joseph inform our front office whether or not they are opting out of their contracts..

I hope its possible for us to bring everyone back next season.

 

I think we'll try and resign JJ on a longer, cheaper contract.

 

He probably won't stay but I expect we'll offer him a contract.

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, BlackPanther said:

 

I think we'll try and resign JJ on a longer, cheaper contract.

 

He probably won't stay but I expect we'll offer him a contract.

Are you a Sixers fan?

[jshipp23]

1 hour ago, Bluefire4 said:

The Magic would be *ic to not give Aaron Gordon a max contract. The guy is scoring 18 and 8 at 22 years old. Anyone that watches him play see he is a future all-star. I don't believe any rumors that the Magic are going to do whatever it takes to re-sign him. They already lost Oladipo, they can't lose Gordon.

I feel sorry for Magic fans...

[Maniac]

6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Are you a Sixers fan?

 

Yep.

 

Pacers are my 2nd team though. It was down to the Pacers and Sixers when it came to choosing a team but Allen Iverson won me over as a kid.

[jshipp23]

2 minutes ago, BlackPanther said:

 

Yep.

 

Pacers are my 2nd team though. It was down to the Pacers and Sixers when it came to choosing a team but Allen Iverson won me over as a kid.

Iverson was one of my favorites too..Unstoppable in his prime..

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, BlackPanther said:

 

Yep.

 

Pacers are my 2nd team though. It was down to the Pacers and Sixers when it came to choosing a team but Allen Iverson won me over as a kid.

Yeah Allen Iverson was awesome. Man Philly has a Good young team with a lot of talent. Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid is something to build around. Pacers are Good too. It will be interesting to see where both teams end up Seeding wise.

[Maniac]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah Allen Iverson was awesome. Man Philly has a Good young team with a lot of talent. Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid is something to build around. Pacers are Good too. It will be interesting to see where both teams end up Seeding wise.

 

Looking at the stands now, we're sitting 30-25 and Indiana are 33-25.

 

Both teams capable, based on record, of getting the 4th seed if things go their way. I don't see the top 3 teams changing.

 

I don't rate Washington all that highly so I could see them dropping a bunch of games but the Bucks are also on 32 wins and have played 2 less than the Pacers.

 

I'd love to see Indiana and Philly grab the 4 and 5 seeds and play each other in a series... would be a ripper.

 

 

[Bluefire4]

51 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

You've come around to my way of thinking.

I thought we made a good (Oladipo/Sabonis) deal at the time..

 

We also have a team option on Bogdonavic and that's $10 mil.

I think we have a team option on Lance....so he'll be back

Beyond that, we have no one signed for the 2019-2020 season other than Victor and rookies.

 

I think that Thad Young will test the free agent market. I really do.

 

Bog doesn't have a team option. Him and Collison are both signed through next season with no options. 

 

Thad and Cory Joseph have player options. Lance and Al Jefferson have team options.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, BlackPanther said:

 

Looking at the stands now, we're sitting 30-25 and Indiana are 33-25.

 

Both teams capable, based on record, of getting the 4th seed if things go their way. I don't see the top 3 teams changing.

 

I don't rate Washington all that highly so I could see them dropping a bunch of games but the Bucks are also on 32 wins and have played 2 less than the Pacers.

 

I'd love to see Indiana and Philly grab the 4 and 5 seeds and play each other in a series... would be a ripper.

 

 

That would be a 50/50 series if the Pacers played the Sixers. HCA in a Game 7 would probably determine it, so getting the 4 could be huge. The Bucks are very talented too and with Greek Freak very dangerous. The Wizards are a mystery, Wall and Beal are Great but something seems missing with them?? 

[BleedBlu8792]

2 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

If Paul George said he wanted to come back to the Pacers tomorrow, I'd give him a max deal.

(and you would, too. Lets get real.)

 

You don't know me very well then... I absolutely despise the player he's turned in to. A 6'9  extremely athletic 3, that wants to sit 15+ feet out and shoot jumpers all day. He can keep his diva butt as far from here as he wants.

[Bluefire4]

1 hour ago, oldunclemark said:

You are correct that technically we don't have to act this summer.

But to build a team, we need to lock Myles down at a number that works for both sides.

I dont want to give him a max deal,. I want to sign him to the $16-$20 mil deal I laid out

 

That puts us in good shape to create the team we want this summer.

I dont want to play the 'is he leaving' or 'is he staying' game again.

Capitalize on the good feelings from this season and sign Myles this summer.. on potential

 

 

We're not going to play the "is he staying or leaving" game when we can match any deal he signs for. This is not the Paul George situation. He's not signing for less than he's worth this offseason. And we're not going to trade him if he doesn't re-sign when we can control where he goes until he becomes a UFA when he's 26 or 27.

[Maniac]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

That would be a 50/50 series if the Pacers played the Sixers. HCA in a Game 7 would probably determine it, so getting the 4 could be huge. The Bucks are very talented too and with Greek Freak very dangerous. The Wizards are a mystery, Wall and Beal are Great but something seems missing with them?? 

 

I really can't believe that the Bucks didn't have a proper go at landing Jordan.

 

Henson isn't going to cut it in playoffs and the team has some nice pieces in other positions. Parker will make them alot better if he stays on the court.

 

The Wizards are definitely a mystery. Porter is good, but overpaid and Oubre hasn't come on and they don't get much production from their bigger guys offensively.

[2006Coltsbestever]

36 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

You don't know me very well then... I absolutely despise the player he's turned in to. A 6'9  extremely athletic 3, that wants to sit 15+ feet out and shoot jumpers all day. He can keep his diva butt as far from here as he wants.

You are missing one thing, he is a Great Defensive player with OKC. He may even win DPOY as he leads the league in Steals.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Pacers are now 5th in the East. Bucks lost tonight.

[jshipp23]

1 hour ago, Bluefire4 said:

We're not going to play the "is he staying or leaving" game when we can match any deal he signs for. This is not the Paul George situation. He's not signing for less than he's worth this offseason. And we're not going to trade him if he doesn't re-sign when we can control where he goes until he becomes a UFA when he's 26 or 27.

He will get max offer and we will have to match unfortunately..He isn't worth it yet but we r a small market..

[jshipp23]

1 hour ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

You don't know me very well then... I absolutely despise the player he's turned in to. A 6'9  extremely athletic 3, that wants to sit 15+ feet out and shoot jumpers all day. He can keep his diva butt as far from here as he wants.

Locker room poison...Ill take a lesser player like Aaron Gordon..Dipo is alpha dog here no poison will be allowed..

[jshipp23]

1 hour ago, BlackPanther said:

 

Looking at the stands now, we're sitting 30-25 and Indiana are 33-25.

 

Both teams capable, based on record, of getting the 4th seed if things go their way. I don't see the top 3 teams changing.

 

I don't rate Washington all that highly so I could see them dropping a bunch of games but the Bucks are also on 32 wins and have played 2 less than the Pacers.

 

I'd love to see Indiana and Philly grab the 4 and 5 seeds and play each other in a series... would be a ripper.

 

 

Myles Turner doesn't want to see Embiid, he would have to find the hair on his u know what..