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Now take your hatred for the pats out of it, and he try to be non-biased.

Are you choosing the colts, 2 SB appearances, best QB of all time (IMO), average team, always wins 10+ a year, but in trouble if your QB goes down.

Or

The pats, 5 SB appearances great QB in Brady (just threw up in my mouth), had great defense when the won their SBs, always a contender. Now defense is average at best, and rely on Brady to much...no more SB wins

Just cause you always have the #1 QB doesn't mean you have the best team, Peyton has always had to much pressure put on him to carry this team season after season....can luck handle that???? He better if Peyton is ran out of town.

If Irsay really wants to change he'll keep Peyton and trade that pick so he can rebuild this team so it can contend even if the starting QB goes down...that's real change

We have a foundation (Peyton) now let's build on it...

If Peyton is healthy....

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Patriots fans have had it better. No jealousy here, just stating fact. They have had 5 SB appearances in that time frame. Don't give me any crap about them losing the last two. Having your team make the big game is one of the funnest experiences a fan could have.

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Now take your hatred for the pats out of it, and he try to be non-biased.

Are you choosing the colts, 2 SB appearances, best QB of all time (IMO), average team, always wins 10+ a year, but in trouble if your QB goes down.

Or

The pats, 5 SB appearances great QB in Brady (just threw up in my mouth), had great defense when the won their SBs, always a contender. Now defense is average at best, and rely on Brady to much...no more SB wins

Just cause you always have the #1 QB doesn't mean you have the best team, Peyton has always had to much pressure put on him to carry this team season after season....can luck handle that???? He better if Peyton is ran out of town.

If Irsay really wants to change he'll keep Peyton and trade that pick so he can rebuild this team so it can contend even if the starting QB goes down...that's real change

We have a foundation (Peyton) now let's build on it...

If Peyton is healthy....

Can I ask a question?

Why does saying that Brady is a great quarterback cause you to throw up in your mouth?

I still dont understand why some of you guys struggle so much to give praise to Brady...as if saying he's great somehow takes away some of the greatness of your guy...Its not like theres only a certain amount of 'greatness' to go around and if you give some to other players then you dont have enough left for Peyton...

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how is this even a question? remove the teams to avoid bias and phrase it like this...... would you rather go to 5 SB's and win 3 in the last 12 years or would you rather go to 2 SB's and win 1? call me crazy but i'll take going to more and winning more.

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Can I ask a question?

Why does saying that Brady is a great quarterback cause you to throw up in your mouth?

It's an inadvertent term of endearment. Brady's awesomeness may induce vomiting in opposing fans.

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How is this even a question?

5 SB appearances > 2 SB appearances

3 SB Rings > 1 SB Ring

Clearly you would take the Patriots last 12 seasons. That is one of the best runs in the history of football considering the salary cap and everything else teams have to deal with now.

try and read the whole post next time im making a point....
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Can I ask a question?

Why does saying that Brady is a great quarterback cause you to throw up in your mouth?

I still dont understand why some of you guys struggle so much to give praise to Brady...as if saying he's great somehow takes away some of the greatness of your guy...Its not like theres only a certain amount of 'greatness' to go around and if you give some to other players then you dont have enough left for Peyton...

yes i will refuse to give tom the respect he is deserve(which he does) until he is out of the game....

i wonder how the pats fan feel about Eli right now?

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How is this even a question?

5 SB appearances > 2 SB appearances

3 SB Rings > 1 SB Ring

Clearly you would take the Patriots last 12 seasons. That is one of the best runs in the history of football considering the salary cap and everything else teams have to deal with now.

Yeah this. Perhaps I'm not understanding the question. I mean I could do without the 2 losing superbowls but this seems like a no brainer to me.

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oh so your the guy i need to come to when i need help with my titles....

thanks and now i know...

No reason to get snippy. But you seemed to be irked at the fact that he answered your question, and I thought it was unnecessary to get confrontational over something to trivial.

And to answer your other question, Pats fans have no problem giving credit to Eli. We don't have to wait until hes done playing to be objective about what hes been able to do. We believe that he stole two of our rings and is the reason we don't have 5 banners hanging up in our stadium, but we give him all the credit in the world and he seems to 'own' the Patriots right now. He's a heck of a quarterback who should no longer be known as Peyton's little brother.

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i disagree it is a point...a good one too, you can take the best QB and go to 2 SBs, or load up your team and go to 5 SBs

thats a point

Whats your take on it?

Would you rather have a guy that many believe to be one of the greatest of all time and win 1 out of 2 Superbowls, or would you rather have a guy that many believe to be one of the greatest of all time and win 3 out of 5 Superbowls?

Theres no wrong answer...just curious where you stand in the 'Colts fan vs Peyton fan' conversation...

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No reason to get snippy. But you seemed to be irked at the fact that he answered your question, and I thought it was unnecessary to get confrontational over something to trivial.

And to answer your other question, Pats fans have no problem giving credit to Eli. We don't have to wait until hes done playing to be objective about what hes been able to do. We believe that he stole two of our rings and is the reason we don't have 5 banners hanging up in our stadium, but we give him all the credit in the world and he seems to 'own' the Patriots right now. He's a heck of a quarterback who should no longer be known as Peyton's little brother.

i seen(read) nothing but bad things said about Eli from pats fans
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i seen(read) nothing but bad things said about Eli from pats fans

Then I suggest you stay out of the high school forums and talk to people who have had a day to cool off now and are not reacting emotionally after a Superbowl loss. Most of the regular Pats fans here have no problem giving credit where its due...

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Whats your take on it?

Would you rather have a guy that many believe to be one of the greatest of all time and win 1 out of 2 Superbowls, or would you rather have a guy that many believe to be one of the greatest of all time and win 3 out of 5 Superbowls?

Theres no wrong answer...just curious where you stand in the 'Colts fan vs Peyton fan' conversation...

i think from my previous post you have to build the team to win, peyton has proved you cant win with just a great QB

And Tom is finding out that right now..

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i think from my previous post you have to build the team to win, peyton has proved you cant win with just a great QB

And Tom is finding out that right now..

Yeah yeah...we know that already. Its tough to win without a balanced team.

I'm talking about the question you asked though. Who would you rather be, the Colts of the past 12 seasons or the Pats of the past 12 seasons?

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Patriots fans have had it better. No jealousy here, just stating fact. They have had 5 SB appearances in that time frame. Don't give me any crap about them losing the last two. Having your team make the big game is one of the funnest experiences a fan could have.

Now take your hatred for the pats out of it, and he try to be non-biased.

Are you choosing the colts, 2 SB appearances, best QB of all time (IMO), average team, always wins 10+ a year, but in trouble if your QB goes down.

Or

The pats, 5 SB appearances great QB in Brady (just threw up in my mouth), had great defense when the won their SBs, always a contender. Now defense is average at best, and rely on Brady to much...no more SB wins

Just cause you always have the #1 QB doesn't mean you have the best team, Peyton has always had to much pressure put on him to carry this team season after season....can luck handle that???? He better if Peyton is ran out of town.

If Irsay really wants to change he'll keep Peyton and trade that pick so he can rebuild this team so it can contend even if the starting QB goes down...that's real change

We have a foundation (Peyton) now let's build on it...

If Peyton is healthy....

Somewhat of a leading presentation, isnt it?

Obviously....you'd rather be New England with 5 titles game and 3 wins

........over Indy with one title and 2 dates...

But would you have to LIVE on the east coast because that's a deal-breaker for me..

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i disagree it is a point...a good one too, you can take the best QB and go to 2 SBs, or load up your team and go to 5 SBs

thats a point

I think the problem was the readers here have no idea that you really wanted to discuss the Luck/Manning thing again. Your attempt at yet another "Luck/Manning" debate was cleverly disguised as a rhetorical question.

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Obviously you want your TEAM to win Championships every year. Obviously the Pats have done a better job at that than the Colts the past decade. I would trade the consecutive 12 win seasons, and the record for most REGULAR season wins for a decade, to have 3 more trips to the Super Bowl, and 2 more Championships. Anyone who says differently is lying to themselves.

That said, I also agree with you in that the change the Colts need, is to build a better TEAM. I agree Peyton is the G.O.A.T. but Marino was pretty great in his day, and what did that do for the Dolphins? Fran Tarkenton and Phil Simms were pretty great... My point is it's not enough to have the best QB under center, what you really need is balance. I would take a top 10 offense, top 10 defense and top 10 special teams over the #1 offense, #29 defense and #31 special teams. We've had that for many years and it's only worked once!

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So this is actually trying to decieve people into saying they're arguing to trade the first pick?

Seriously? Is this what it's come to?

And I've got news for you, the Patriots have just as good a QB as we do (the differences in what they bring to their respective teams is negligible) so this is an entirely flawed premise. The difference between the Colts and Pats isn't the QB, it's the money spent on skill positions and single players. The Patriots don't pay guys like Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison. They spread that money out across several positions.

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So this is actually trying to decieve people into saying they're arguing to trade the first pick?

Seriously? Is this what it's come to?

And I've got news for you, the Patriots have just as good a QB as we do (the differences in what they bring to their respective teams is negligible) so this is an entirely flawed premise. The difference between the Colts and Pats isn't the QB, it's the money spent on skill positions and single players. The Patriots don't pay guys like Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison. They spread that money out across several positions.

If this is the case, we have a new GM

Problem solved.

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If I am the team, I'd rather the Pats run

If I am the fan, I wouldn't trade the past 12 years of being a Colts fan for anything, including the SB rings

This is the other side of it. I agree 110%.

I'm sure life has been sweet to our rival NE fans. The experience of being a Colts fan has, at times, been quite trying. However, I have enjoyed the roller coaster ride greatly. I wouldn't trade the horseshoe for 100 SB's.

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This is the other side of it. I agree 110%.

I'm sure life has been sweet to our rival NE fans. The experience of being a Colts fan has, at times, been quite trying. However, I have enjoyed the roller coaster ride greatly. I wouldn't trade the horseshoe for 100 SB's.

Well, I assumed we were just talking about the level of success.

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The Patriots have been a much better run franchise. They have better coaching. They've had a better defense. They've had a better offensive line. The Patriots have always been a much more balanced football team.

No question whatsoever on this one. The Patriot way is the better way.

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I agree with the majority. I am a Colts fan til death do us part, but I have to take the Pats success over our success. We have the GOAT and only have one SB and some regular season records to go with it. I appreciate what he has brought us, but what kills me inside is knowing it could have been more only if PM was handled right.

But also, I like how the OP and title talked about the Colts and Pats but turned into a draft Andrew Luck vs trade the pick post. ;)

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