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19 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

I should go with BPA here because I love the player but I will instead opt to fill what will be a need in a couple of weeks.

 

With the 86th pick, the Vikings select D'Onta Foreman, RB Texas.

 

@twfish and the Giants are on the clock.

Very surprised he lasted this long

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16 minutes ago, CantBeStopped said:

I know Mixon was picked a bit ago. But whose big board is that? I don't see him on it at all

 

It was FanSpeak's board and they had him outside the top 200. CBSSports had him within the Top 100. That is how far sites are on a controversial player like Mixon.

 

That is also the reason why GMs should do their own research as well and not rely on a Big Board. :thmup:

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FOR FIRST AND SECOND ROUND RESULTS, take a look at the first page:

 

GM List:

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  • Cleveland - MTC
  • San Francisco - CantBeStopped
  • Chicago - Superman
  • Jacksonville - LJPalmBeacher
  • LA Rams - The Brazilian Ninja
  • New York Jets - Track Guy
  • LA Chargers - NorthernBlue
  • Carolina - danlhart87
  • Cincinnati - CheezyColt
  • Buffalo - tweezy32
  • New Orleans - SaturdayAllDay
  • Philadelphia - PrincetonTiger
  • Arizona - Clem-Dog
  • Indianapolis - BPRoland85
  • Minnesota - NFLFan 
  • Baltimore - MPStack
  • Washington - 21IsSuperman
  • Tennessee - bananabucket
  • Tampa Bay - WarGhost21
  • Denver - stitches
  • Detroit - SolomonThomasFanAccount
  • Miami - jvan1973
  • New York Giants - twfish
  • Oakland - OffensivelyPC
  • Houston - indyagent17
  • Seattle - danlhart87
  • Kansas City - The Peytonator
  • Dallas - Defjamz26
  • Green Bay - Traines
  • Pittsburgh - funktacious2
  • Atlanta - footballax31
  • New England - chad72

Third Round (modified compensatory picks):

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65) Cleveland (1-15) - Dorian Johnson, OG, Pittsburgh

66) San Francisco (2-14) - Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson

67) Chicago (3-13) - Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State

68) Jacksonville (3-13) - Taylor Moton, OT, Western Michigan

69) Tennessee - from LA Rams (4-12) - Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma

70) New York Jets (5-11) - Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State

71) San Diego (5-11) - Anthony Walker, LB, Northwestern

72) Carolina (6-10) - Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy

73) Cincinnati (6-9-1) - Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina

74) Philadelphia (7-9) - Dion Dawkins, OT, Temple

75) Buffalo (7-9) - Eddie Jackson, S, Alabama

76) New Orleans (7-9) - Cam Sutton, CB, Tennessee

77) Arizona (7-8-1) - Kevin King, CB, Washington

78) Baltimore (8-8) - Curtis Samuel, WR, Ohio State

79) Indianapolis (8-8) - Dawuane Smoot, OLB, Illinois

80) Minnesota (8-8) - Ethan Pocic, C, LSU

81) Washington (8-7-1) - Kendall Beckwith, ILB, LSU

82) Denver (9-7) - Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo

83) Tennessee (9-7) - Evan Engram, TE, Mississippi

84) Tampa Bay (9-7) - Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma

85) Detroit* (9-7) - Dalvin Tomlinson, DL, Alabama

86) Minnesota - from Miami* (10-6) - D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas

87) New York Giants* (11-5) - Jarron Jones, DL, Notre Dame

88) Oakland* (12-4) - Howard Wilson, CB, University of Houston

89) Houston* (9-7) - JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC

90) Seattle* (10-5-1)

91) Kansas City* (12-4)

92) Dallas* (13-3)

93) Green Bay* (10-6)

94) Pittsburgh* (11-5)

95) Atlanta* (11-5)

96) New England* (14-2)

 

33rd pick of third round; 97th overall: Miami

34-98: Carolina

35-99: Baltimore

36-100: Los Angeles Rams

37-101: Denver

38-102: Seattle

39-103: Cleveland

40-104: Kansas City

41-105: Pittsburgh

42-106: Seattle

43-107: New York Jets

 

Big Board:

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1. EDGE Myles Garrett Texas A&M

 

2. DL Jonathan Allen Alabama

 

3. WR Mike Williams Clemson

 

4. S Jamal Adams LSU

 

5. LB Reuben Foster Alabama

 

6. RB Dalvin Cook Florida State

 

7. S Malik Hooker Ohio State

 

8. CB Teez Tabor Florida

 

9. QB Mitch Trubisky North Carolina

 

10. TE O.J. Howard Alabama

 

11. RB Leonard Fournette LSU

 

12. QB Deshaun Watson Clemson

 

13. EDGE Solomon Thomas Stanford

 

14. EDGE Derek Barnett Tennessee

 

15. WR Corey Davis Western Michigan

 

16. CB Quincy Wilson Florida

 

17. EDGE Taco Charlton Michigan

 

18. RB Christian McCaffrey Stanford

 

19. CB Marshon Lattimore Ohio State

 

20. EDGE Takkarist McKinley UCLA

 

21. QB DeShone Kizer Notre Dame

 

22. OT Ryan Ramczyk Wisconsin

 

23. EDGE Tim Williams Alabama

 

24. DL Malik McDowell Michigan State

 

25. CB Marlon Humphrey Alabama

 

26. WR John Ross Washington

 

27. CB Sidney Jones Washington

 

28. LB Jabrill Peppers Michigan

 

29. EDGE Haason Reddick Temple

 

30. G Dan Feeney Indiana

 

31. OT Cam Robinson Alabama

 

32. CB Gareon Conley Ohio State

 

33. LB Zach Cunningham Vanderbilt

 

34. EDGE Charles Harris Missouri

 

35. CB Cordrea Tankersley Clemson

 

36. OT Forrest Lamp Western Kentucky

 

37. QB Patrick Mahomes II Texas Tech

 

38. TE David Njoku Miami

 

39. RB Alvin Kamara Tennessee

 

40. DL Caleb Brantley Florida

 

41. EDGE T.J. Watt Wisconsin

 

42. LB Raekwon McMillan Ohio State

 

43. OT Garett Bolles Utah

 

44. LB Jarrad Davis Florida

 

45. S Budda Baker Washington

 

46. DL Carlos Watkins Clemson

 

47. TE Bucky Hodges Virginia Tech

 

48. CB Tre’Davious White LSU

 

49. EDGE Carl Lawson Auburn

 

50. G Dorian Johnson Pittsburgh

 

51. CB Adoree Jackson USC

 

52. S Marcus Williams Utah

 

53. DL Elijah Qualls Washington

 

54. OT Roderick Johnson Florida State

 

55. C Pat Elflein Ohio State

 

56. WR Zay Jones East Carolina

 

57. EDGE Derek Rivers Youngstown State

 

58. EDGE DeMarcus Walker Florida State

 

59. WR Curtis Samuel Ohio State

 

60. EDGE Ryan Anderson Alabama

 

61. DL Jaleel Johnson Iowa

 

62. C Ethan Pocic LSU

 

63. WR Cooper Kupp Eastern Washington

 

64. S Desmond King Iowa

 

65. DL Chris Wormley Michigan

 

66. OT Antonio Garcia Troy

 

67. WR Taywan Taylor Western Kentucky

 

68. WR Dede Westbrook Oklahoma

 

69. CB Rasul Douglas West Virginia

 

70. TE Jordan Leggett Clemson

 

71. TE Evan Engram Mississippi

 

72. S Obi Melifonwu Connecticut

 

73. OT Taylor Moton Western Michigan

 

74. WR Isaiah Ford Virginia Tech

 

75. TE Gerald Everett South Alabama

 

76. CB Chidobe Awuzle Colorado

 

77. EDGE Jordan Willis Kansas State

 

78. WR JuJu Smith-Schuster USC

 

79. RB Kareem Hunt Toledo

 

80. CB Cameron Sutton Tennessee

 

81. DL Davon Godchaux LSU

 

82. CB Jourdan Lewis Michigan

 

83. LB Anthony Walker Northwestern

 

84. RB D’Onta Foreman Texas

 

85. TE Jake Butt Michigan

 

86. OT Dion Dawkins Temple

 

87. WR Amara Darboh Michigan

 

88. LB Alex Anzalone Florida

 

89. WR Ryan Switzer North Carolina

 

90. OT Avery Gennesy Texas A&M

 

91. S Eddie Jackson Alabama

 

92. EDGE Tanoh Kpassagnon Villanova

 

93. DL Jarron Jones Notre Dame

 

94. CB Damontae Kazee San Diego State

 

95. DL Eddie Vanderdoes UCLA

 

96. WR ArDarius Stewart Alabama

 

97. WR Josh Reynolds Texas A&M

 

98. G David Sharpe Florida

 

99. WR Malachi Dupre LSU

 

100. DL Montravius Adams Auburn

 

101. EDGE Tarell Basham Ohio

 

102. QB Brad Kaaya Miami

 

103. LB Elijah Lee Kansas State

 

104. LB Hardy Nickerson Illinois

 

105. S Justin Evans Texas A&M

 

106. EDGE Dawuane Smoot Illinois

 

107. OT Chad Wheeler USC

 

108. CB Kevin King Washington

 

109. RB Corey Clement Wisconsin

 

110. OT Adam Bisnowaty Pittsburgh

 

111. CB Howard Wilson Houston

 

112. QB Nathan Peterman Pittsburgh

 

113. DL Dalvin Tomlinson Alabama

 

114. C Kyle Fuller Baylor

 

115. WR Travis Rudolph Florida State

 

116. G Jordan Morgan Kutztown

 

117. DL Charles Walker Oklahoma

 

118. EDGE Daeshon Hall Texas A&M

 

119. DL Vincent Taylor Oklahoma State

 

120. RB Jamaal Williams BYU

 

121. OT Julie’n Davenport Bucknell

 

122. C Tyler Orlosky West Virginia

 

123. S Marcus Maye Florida

 

124. G Jessamen Dunker Tennessee State

 

125. CB Fabian Moreau UCLA

 

126. WR Shelton Gibson West Virginia

 

127. LB Duke Riley LSU

 

128. WR Artavis Scott Clemson

 

129. DL Tanzel Smart Tulane

 

130. TE Jeremy Sprinkle Arkansas

 

131. QB Davis Webb California

 

132. S Josh Harvey-Clemons Louisville

 

133. EDGE Devonte Fields Louisville

 

134. CB Corn Elder Miami

 

135. EDGE Hunter Dimick Utah

 

136. RB Jeremy McNichols Boise State

 

137. LB Kendell Beckwith LSU

 

138. CB Marquez White Florida State

 

139. DL Nazair Jones North Carolina

 

140. G Damien Mama USC

 

141. EDGE Vince Biegel Wisconsin

 

142. OT Conor McDermott UCLA

 

143. WR Chris Godwin Penn State

 

144. RB Wayne Gallman Clemson

 

145. DL Isaac Rochell Notre Dame

 

146. S John Johnson Boston College

 

147. WR Jalen Robinette Air Force

 

148. G Nico Siragusa San Diego State

 

149. TE Michael Roberts Toledo

 

150. RB Elijah McGuire UL Lafayette

 

151. EDGE Tyus Bowser Houston

 

152. TE Adam Shaheen Ashland

 

153. OT Dan Skipper Arkansas

 

154. QB Jerod Evans Virginia Tech

 

155. OT Storm Norton Toledo

 

156. DL Ryan Glasgow Michigan

 

157. RB Brian Hill Wyoming

 

158. DL Larry Ogunjobi Charlotte

 

159. EDGE Keionta Davis Chattanooga

 

160. WR Noah Brown Ohio State

 

161. G Isaac Asiata Utah

 

162. EDGE Carroll Phillips Illinois

 

163. RB Samaje Perine Oklahoma

 

164. RB Marlon Mack South Florida

 

165. DL DeAngelo Brown Louisville

 

166. WR Josh Malone Tennessee

 

167. EDGE Garrett Sickels Penn State

 

168. RB James Conner Pittsburgh

 

169. WR Carlos Henderson Louisiana Tech

 

170. OT Erik Magnuson Michigan

 

171. CB Brendan Langley Lamar

 

172. WR Stacy Coley Miami

 

173. RB Donnel Pumphrey San Diego State

 

174. EDGE Ejuan Price Pittsburgh

 

175. QB Joshua Dobbs Tennessee

 

176. G Sean Harlow Oregon State

 

177. WR Amba Etta-Tawo Syracuse

 

178. CB Channing Stribling Michigan

 

179. EDGE Josh Carraway TCU

 

180. S Montae Nicholson Michigan State

 

181. CB Jeremy Cutrer Middle Tennessee

 

182. G Zach Banner USC

 

183. C Jon Toth Kentucky

 

184. EDGE Deatrich Wise Jr. Arkansas

 

185. WR Trent Taylor Louisiana Tech

 

186. OT J.J. Dielman Utah

 

187. LB Matt Milano Boston College

 

188. RB Elijah Hood North Carolina

 

189. WR Chad Williams Grambling

 

190. LB Jayon Brown UCLA

 

191. S Jordan Sterns Oklahoma State

 

192. S Josh Jones NC State

 

193. WR Damore’ea Stringfellow Mississippi

 

194. OT Will Holden Vanderbilt

 

195. EDGE Bryan Cox Jr. Florida

 

196. S Lorenzo Jerome Saint Francis

 

197. CB Aarlon Penton Missouri

 

198. OT Jon Heck North Carolina

 

199. G Danny Isidora Miami

 

200. EDGE Joe Mathis Washington

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The Raiders really need an ILB, so I hope they get one if FA, because value hasn't been there all draft long, and right now Alex Anzalone would be a good pick, but I don't trust that he'll stay healthy at all.  So...

 

With the 88th Pick in the 2017 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Howard Wilson, CB, from the University of Houston.

 

@indyagent17 - As of 11:45am, the Houston Texans are now on the clock.

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25 minutes ago, twfish said:

Very surprised he lasted this long

 

Yeah, that is why I feel it would be a mistake for the Colts to not get the RB they want in round 3, doesn't have to be Foreman. The drop off in the pass rusher quality is significant, IMO, compared to the upside of the RBs that would be available in round 3, so BPA might be an RB at that point in time.

 

Now that I see this draft unfold with different GMs, I personally wouldn't want the Colts to wait till round 4 IF we do plan on getting an RB unless we bring back both Gore and Turbin and sign a FA RB like Woodhead.

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22 minutes ago, twfish said:

Very surprised he lasted this long

Im really not a fan of Foreman. Unless his combine times surprise me, i see a 2 down and goalline back. That makes him 4th round to me. He will be valuable situationally, but if im taking a rb in the 3rd or highrer, i want 3 down potential, and i dont think foreman has it. Just my opinion.

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1 hour ago, chad72 said:

Alright, I'll defect :) and go with Kendall Beckwith, ILB, LSU to move on with the draft.

 

With the 81st pick in the 2017 NFL Draft, the Washington Redskins select:

 

Kendall Beckwith, ILB, LSU

Sorry about that.  I wasn't around my computer last night and I live in the MST time zone, so I missed the pick.  Apologies for making you all wait

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3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Sent you a pm

 

I might have accidentally deleted it, sorry about that. I had to keep making space for future messages and sometimes I forget if it is for the immediate round coming up or future rounds when I skim through the subjects.

 

Now that you are here, can you make the pick?

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While participating in this, I noticed that many of the GMs who believe in drafting BPA actually do not select BPA according to the Big Board that is posted in this thread. I noticed that when it is time for selecting a consensus pick, what is discussed are the needs of the team rather than "let's see who is the BPA on the board". Why is that? Why not just select BPA as long as it makes sense for the team?  (I was just wondering.)

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20 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

While participating in this, I noticed that many of the GMs who believe in drafting BPA actually do not select BPA according to the Big Board that is posted in this thread. I noticed that when it is time for selecting a consensus pick, what is discussed are the needs of the team rather than "let's see who is the BPA on the board". Why is that? Why not just select BPA as long as it makes sense for the team?  (I was just wondering.)

 

The BPA beyond the first few rounds can be overemphasized, IMO.

 

Kelvin Hayden was rated 4-5th rounder and Polian got him in round 2. Pat Angerer was similarly rated and Polian got him in round 2, many  more examples that I can give. 

 

If that fourth or fifth round rated player can fulfill a need of your team that he will end up just as productive as a higher round player for your team's benefits, and if you believe in him, then you take him in round 2 or 3.

 

Heck, it sometimes happens in round 1 too - Bruce Irvin for Seahawks (late 1st to 3rd round), Travis Frederick, Center for Cowboys (high 2nd to low 3rd) are all examples of players rated to go slightly later. Marlin Jackson, our former 1st rounder was rated to go in the 2nd. However, those teams worked them out and felt their upside was as good as a first rounder and that those players would do well with their system to the extent of a first rounder, so they pulled the trigger.

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16 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

While participating in this, I noticed that many of the GMs who believe in drafting BPA actually do not select BPA according to the Big Board that is posted in this thread. I noticed that when it is time for selecting a consensus pick, what is discussed are the needs of the team rather than "let's see who is the BPA on the board". Why is that? Why not just select BPA as long as it makes sense for the team?  (I was just wondering.)

For example I knew Houston needed a good number 2 receiver behind Hopkins period I'm not sold on Fuller so I looked at all the receivers available and compared them and I came up with my pick. The best available is not always the best player at the time for a team

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50 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

The BPA beyond the first few rounds can be overemphasized, IMO.

 

Kelvin Hayden was rated 4-5th rounder and Polian got him in round 2. Pat Angerer was similarly rated and Polian got him in round 2, many  more examples that I can give. 

 

If that fourth or fifth round rated player can fulfill a need of your team that he will end up just as productive as a higher round player for your team's benefits, and if you believe in him, then you take him in round 2 or 3.

 

Thanks for that. I have no problem drafting for need. Actually I lean that way.

 

But most people here are strongly for drafting BPA, but when they were making selections, the players drafted mostly addressed needs. (Not always but many of the picks did.) Even in the first round, whenever we had to make a consensus pick, we asked ourselves what the team's needs were as opposed to "who the BPA is". So, I just wondered if people truly believed in drafting BPA as opposed to drafting BPA at a position of need.

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6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Thanks for that. I have no problem drafting for need. Actually I lean that way.

 

But most people here are strongly for drafting BPA, but when they were making selections, the players drafted mostly addressed needs. (Not always but in much of the picks.) Even in the first round, whenever we had to make a concensus pick, we asked ourselves what the team's needs were as opposed to "who the BPA is". So, I just wondered if people truly believed in drafting BPA as opposed to drafting BPA at a position of need.

 

If the BPA is subjective, then decisions are subjective. If the Big Board varies from one site to another, you can bet the Big Board varies from one GM to another, even if it is by about 5-10 picks early on in the draft.

 

That is why most GMs have no problem going for need close to a ballpark of value. The assumption that BPA is black and white is the real notion that is mistaken, IMO.

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19 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

While participating in this, I noticed that many of the GMs who believe in drafting BPA actually do not select BPA according to the Big Board that is posted in this thread. I noticed that when it is time for selecting a consensus pick, what is discussed are the needs of the team rather than "let's see who is the BPA on the board". Why is that? Why not just select BPA as long as it makes sense for the team?  (I was just wondering.)

My thoughts are:

1. It's not maybe realistic to go pure BPA. Most NFL teams do, in some way, adress their biggest remaining needs in the draft.

2. It would be less fun for us to just go BPA. There'd be no stratagizing, haha.

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UPDATE WITH LATEST PICKS:

 

Third Round (modified compensatory picks):

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65) Cleveland (1-15) - Dorian Johnson, OG, Pittsburgh

66) San Francisco (2-14) - Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson

67) Chicago (3-13) - Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State

68) Jacksonville (3-13) - Taylor Moton, OT, Western Michigan

69) Tennessee - from LA Rams (4-12) - Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma

70) New York Jets (5-11) - Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State

71) San Diego (5-11) - Anthony Walker, LB, Northwestern

72) Carolina (6-10) - Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy

73) Cincinnati (6-9-1) - Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina

74) Philadelphia (7-9) - Dion Dawkins, OT, Temple

75) Buffalo (7-9) - Eddie Jackson, S, Alabama

76) New Orleans (7-9) - Cam Sutton, CB, Tennessee

77) Arizona (7-8-1) - Kevin King, CB, Washington

78) Baltimore (8-8) - Curtis Samuel, WR, Ohio State

79) Indianapolis (8-8) - Dawuane Smoot, OLB, Illinois

80) Minnesota (8-8) - Ethan Pocic, C, LSU

81) Washington (8-7-1) - Kendall Beckwith, ILB, LSU

82) Denver (9-7) - Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo

83) Tennessee (9-7) - Evan Engram, TE, Mississippi

84) Tampa Bay (9-7) - Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma

85) Detroit* (9-7) - Dalvin Tomlinson, DL, Alabama

86) Minnesota - from Miami* (10-6) - D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas

87) New York Giants* (11-5) - Jarron Jones, DL, Notre Dame

88) Oakland* (12-4) - Howard Wilson, CB, University of Houston

89) Houston* (9-7) - JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC

90) Seattle* (10-5-1) - Jordan Willis, OLB, Kansas State

91) Kansas City* (12-4) - Duke Riley, LB, LSU

92) Dallas* (13-3)

93) Green Bay* (10-6)

94) Pittsburgh* (11-5)

95) Atlanta* (11-5)

96) New England* (14-2)

 

33rd pick of third round; 97th overall: Miami

34-98: Carolina

35-99: Baltimore

36-100: Los Angeles Rams

37-101: Denver

38-102: Seattle

39-103: Cleveland

40-104: Kansas City

41-105: Pittsburgh

42-106: Seattle

43-107: New York Jets

 

Big Board:

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1. EDGE Myles Garrett Texas A&M

 

2. DL Jonathan Allen Alabama

 

3. WR Mike Williams Clemson

 

4. S Jamal Adams LSU

 

5. LB Reuben Foster Alabama

 

6. RB Dalvin Cook Florida State

 

7. S Malik Hooker Ohio State

 

8. CB Teez Tabor Florida

 

9. QB Mitch Trubisky North Carolina

 

10. TE O.J. Howard Alabama

 

11. RB Leonard Fournette LSU

 

12. QB Deshaun Watson Clemson

 

13. EDGE Solomon Thomas Stanford

 

14. EDGE Derek Barnett Tennessee

 

15. WR Corey Davis Western Michigan

 

16. CB Quincy Wilson Florida

 

17. EDGE Taco Charlton Michigan

 

18. RB Christian McCaffrey Stanford

 

19. CB Marshon Lattimore Ohio State

 

20. EDGE Takkarist McKinley UCLA

 

21. QB DeShone Kizer Notre Dame

 

22. OT Ryan Ramczyk Wisconsin

 

23. EDGE Tim Williams Alabama

 

24. DL Malik McDowell Michigan State

 

25. CB Marlon Humphrey Alabama

 

26. WR John Ross Washington

 

27. CB Sidney Jones Washington

 

28. LB Jabrill Peppers Michigan

 

29. EDGE Haason Reddick Temple

 

30. G Dan Feeney Indiana

 

31. OT Cam Robinson Alabama

 

32. CB Gareon Conley Ohio State

 

33. LB Zach Cunningham Vanderbilt

 

34. EDGE Charles Harris Missouri

 

35. CB Cordrea Tankersley Clemson

 

36. OT Forrest Lamp Western Kentucky

 

37. QB Patrick Mahomes II Texas Tech

 

38. TE David Njoku Miami

 

39. RB Alvin Kamara Tennessee

 

40. DL Caleb Brantley Florida

 

41. EDGE T.J. Watt Wisconsin

 

42. LB Raekwon McMillan Ohio State

 

43. OT Garett Bolles Utah

 

44. LB Jarrad Davis Florida

 

45. S Budda Baker Washington

 

46. DL Carlos Watkins Clemson

 

47. TE Bucky Hodges Virginia Tech

 

48. CB Tre’Davious White LSU

 

49. EDGE Carl Lawson Auburn

 

50. G Dorian Johnson Pittsburgh

 

51. CB Adoree Jackson USC

 

52. S Marcus Williams Utah

 

53. DL Elijah Qualls Washington

 

54. OT Roderick Johnson Florida State

 

55. C Pat Elflein Ohio State

 

56. WR Zay Jones East Carolina

 

57. EDGE Derek Rivers Youngstown State

 

58. EDGE DeMarcus Walker Florida State

 

59. WR Curtis Samuel Ohio State

 

60. EDGE Ryan Anderson Alabama

 

61. DL Jaleel Johnson Iowa

 

62. C Ethan Pocic LSU

 

63. WR Cooper Kupp Eastern Washington

 

64. S Desmond King Iowa

 

65. DL Chris Wormley Michigan

 

66. OT Antonio Garcia Troy

 

67. WR Taywan Taylor Western Kentucky

 

68. WR Dede Westbrook Oklahoma

 

69. CB Rasul Douglas West Virginia

 

70. TE Jordan Leggett Clemson

 

71. TE Evan Engram Mississippi

 

72. S Obi Melifonwu Connecticut

 

73. OT Taylor Moton Western Michigan

 

74. WR Isaiah Ford Virginia Tech

 

75. TE Gerald Everett South Alabama

 

76. CB Chidobe Awuzle Colorado

 

77. EDGE Jordan Willis Kansas State

 

78. WR JuJu Smith-Schuster USC

 

79. RB Kareem Hunt Toledo

 

80. CB Cameron Sutton Tennessee

 

81. DL Davon Godchaux LSU

 

82. CB Jourdan Lewis Michigan

 

83. LB Anthony Walker Northwestern

 

84. RB D’Onta Foreman Texas

 

85. TE Jake Butt Michigan

 

86. OT Dion Dawkins Temple

 

87. WR Amara Darboh Michigan

 

88. LB Alex Anzalone Florida

 

89. WR Ryan Switzer North Carolina

 

90. OT Avery Gennesy Texas A&M

 

91. S Eddie Jackson Alabama

 

92. EDGE Tanoh Kpassagnon Villanova

 

93. DL Jarron Jones Notre Dame

 

94. CB Damontae Kazee San Diego State

 

95. DL Eddie Vanderdoes UCLA

 

96. WR ArDarius Stewart Alabama

 

97. WR Josh Reynolds Texas A&M

 

98. G David Sharpe Florida

 

99. WR Malachi Dupre LSU

 

100. DL Montravius Adams Auburn

 

101. EDGE Tarell Basham Ohio

 

102. QB Brad Kaaya Miami

 

103. LB Elijah Lee Kansas State

 

104. LB Hardy Nickerson Illinois

 

105. S Justin Evans Texas A&M

 

106. EDGE Dawuane Smoot Illinois

 

107. OT Chad Wheeler USC

 

108. CB Kevin King Washington

 

109. RB Corey Clement Wisconsin

 

110. OT Adam Bisnowaty Pittsburgh

 

111. CB Howard Wilson Houston

 

112. QB Nathan Peterman Pittsburgh

 

113. DL Dalvin Tomlinson Alabama

 

114. C Kyle Fuller Baylor

 

115. WR Travis Rudolph Florida State

 

116. G Jordan Morgan Kutztown

 

117. DL Charles Walker Oklahoma

 

118. EDGE Daeshon Hall Texas A&M

 

119. DL Vincent Taylor Oklahoma State

 

120. RB Jamaal Williams BYU

 

121. OT Julie’n Davenport Bucknell

 

122. C Tyler Orlosky West Virginia

 

123. S Marcus Maye Florida

 

124. G Jessamen Dunker Tennessee State

 

125. CB Fabian Moreau UCLA

 

126. WR Shelton Gibson West Virginia

 

127. LB Duke Riley LSU

 

128. WR Artavis Scott Clemson

 

129. DL Tanzel Smart Tulane

 

130. TE Jeremy Sprinkle Arkansas

 

131. QB Davis Webb California

 

132. S Josh Harvey-Clemons Louisville

 

133. EDGE Devonte Fields Louisville

 

134. CB Corn Elder Miami

 

135. EDGE Hunter Dimick Utah

 

136. RB Jeremy McNichols Boise State

 

137. LB Kendell Beckwith LSU

 

138. CB Marquez White Florida State

 

139. DL Nazair Jones North Carolina

 

140. G Damien Mama USC

 

141. EDGE Vince Biegel Wisconsin

 

142. OT Conor McDermott UCLA

 

143. WR Chris Godwin Penn State

 

144. RB Wayne Gallman Clemson

 

145. DL Isaac Rochell Notre Dame

 

146. S John Johnson Boston College

 

147. WR Jalen Robinette Air Force

 

148. G Nico Siragusa San Diego State

 

149. TE Michael Roberts Toledo

 

150. RB Elijah McGuire UL Lafayette

 

151. EDGE Tyus Bowser Houston

 

152. TE Adam Shaheen Ashland

 

153. OT Dan Skipper Arkansas

 

154. QB Jerod Evans Virginia Tech

 

155. OT Storm Norton Toledo

 

156. DL Ryan Glasgow Michigan

 

157. RB Brian Hill Wyoming

 

158. DL Larry Ogunjobi Charlotte

 

159. EDGE Keionta Davis Chattanooga

 

160. WR Noah Brown Ohio State

 

161. G Isaac Asiata Utah

 

162. EDGE Carroll Phillips Illinois

 

163. RB Samaje Perine Oklahoma

 

164. RB Marlon Mack South Florida

 

165. DL DeAngelo Brown Louisville

 

166. WR Josh Malone Tennessee

 

167. EDGE Garrett Sickels Penn State

 

168. RB James Conner Pittsburgh

 

169. WR Carlos Henderson Louisiana Tech

 

170. OT Erik Magnuson Michigan

 

171. CB Brendan Langley Lamar

 

172. WR Stacy Coley Miami

 

173. RB Donnel Pumphrey San Diego State

 

174. EDGE Ejuan Price Pittsburgh

 

175. QB Joshua Dobbs Tennessee

 

176. G Sean Harlow Oregon State

 

177. WR Amba Etta-Tawo Syracuse

 

178. CB Channing Stribling Michigan

 

179. EDGE Josh Carraway TCU

 

180. S Montae Nicholson Michigan State

 

181. CB Jeremy Cutrer Middle Tennessee

 

182. G Zach Banner USC

 

183. C Jon Toth Kentucky

 

184. EDGE Deatrich Wise Jr. Arkansas

 

185. WR Trent Taylor Louisiana Tech

 

186. OT J.J. Dielman Utah

 

187. LB Matt Milano Boston College

 

188. RB Elijah Hood North Carolina

 

189. WR Chad Williams Grambling

 

190. LB Jayon Brown UCLA

 

191. S Jordan Sterns Oklahoma State

 

192. S Josh Jones NC State

 

193. WR Damore’ea Stringfellow Mississippi

 

194. OT Will Holden Vanderbilt

 

195. EDGE Bryan Cox Jr. Florida

 

196. S Lorenzo Jerome Saint Francis

 

197. CB Aarlon Penton Missouri

 

198. OT Jon Heck North Carolina

 

199. G Danny Isidora Miami

 

200. EDGE Joe Mathis Washington

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24 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

If the BPA is subjective, then decisions are subjective. If the Big Board varies from one site to another, you can bet the Big Board varies from one GM to another, even if it is by about 5-10 picks early on in the draft.

 

That is why most GMs have no problem going for need close to a ballpark of value.

 

I appreciate the feedback and I agree. However, that does not explain why when we were making consensus picks we asked what the team's needs were as opposed to looking to see which player was BPA. I am just challenging the notion that a GM must take BPA all the time. 

 

There was a guy named Jim S last year who wanted the Colts to draft Conklin. For him, he felt Conklin addressed one of the Colts' biggest needs. He was arguing for selecting for need rather than BPA. Many gave Jim such a hard time. 

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19 minutes ago, funktacious2 said:

My thoughts are:

1. It's not maybe realistic to go pure BPA. Most NFL teams do, in some way, adress their biggest remaining needs in the draft.

2. It would be less fun for us to just go BPA. There'd be no stratagizing, haha.

 

#2 may explain why we looked at positions of need when deciding on consensus picks 

 

Re #1, I agree but in the past there has been great debate here about selecting BPA. I believe in selecting BPA or the best fit at a position of need. However, pure BPA may have more value, especially when there may be a change in coaching. A new coach brings in own schemes, etc.

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Just now, Defjamz26 said:

Surprised he's still here. With Dez Bryant always injured the Cowboys surround Dak with weapons.

 

The Cowboys select Cooper Kup, WR.

 

@Traines and the Packers are on the clock

 

I had a feeling that was coming. Just didn't know much about him as to how good his route running was.

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5 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

#2 may explain why we looked at positions of need when deciding on consensus 

 

Re #1, I agree but in the past there has been great debate here about selecting BPA. I believe in selecting BPA or the best fit at a position of need. However, pure BPA may have more value, especially when there may be a change in coaching. A new coach brings in own schemes, etc.

 

If the majority of the D is devoid of talent like the 49ers, Browns, or even the Colts :thmup:, I guess best defensive player available makes sense as well.

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34 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Thanks for that. I have no problem drafting for need. Actually I lean that way.

 

But most people here are strongly for drafting BPA, but when they were making selections, the players drafted mostly addressed needs. (Not always but in much of the picks.) Even in the first round, whenever we had to make a concensus pick, we asked ourselves what the team's needs were as opposed to "who the BPA is". So, I just wondered if people truly believed in drafting BPA as opposed to drafting BPA at a position of need.

Well, you have to remember that (a) this is a mock and we are drafting for teams we dont follow and (b) we enjoy mock drafting, so we want to get to our turn rather than argue over what an absentees BPA is holding the game up in the process.

 

Ultimately, our jobs arent on the line and we dont know every prospect in and out. We resort to the websites for reference, but theres hardly a concensus on anyone outside the 2nd round. So it makes it easier to say, need, then BPA. We could debate every absentee draft pick, but for the sake of all our time, its not worth it.

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40 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

For example I knew Houston needed a good number 2 receiver behind Hopkins period I'm not sold on Fuller so I looked at all the receivers available and compared them and I came up with my pick. The best available is not always the best player at the time for a team

 

So, this example is clearly not drafting BPA. You drafted for need.

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12 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Well, you have to remember that (a) this is a mock and we are drafting for teams we dont follow and (b) we enjoy mock drafting, so we want to get to our turn rather than argue over what an absentees BPA is holding the game up in the process.

 

Ultimately, our jobs arent on the line and we dont know every prospect in and out. We resort to the websites for reference, but theres hardly a concensus on anyone outside the 2nd round. So it makes it easier to say, need, then BPA. We could debate every absentee draft pick, but for the sake of all our time, its not worth it.

 

My asking this was not meant to get people upset or offended. It is to stimulate conversation and get people thinking about this and what actual GMs go through. I just wondered if fans really believed in going exclusively BPA. Now that fans have had the opportunity to be a "GM", have they noticed patterns in how they make their selections. I certainly have noticed some for me. I think I would probably be an impatient GM. I would want to give up picks to move up to get players I want. haha

 

To the bolded, it actually saves time (no arguing necessary) if you go BPA. Just check the Big Board and decide if the BPA makes sense for the team.

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10 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

My asking this was not meant to get people upset or offended. It is to stimulate conversation and get people thinking about this and what actual GMs go through. I just wondered if fans really believed in going exclusively BPA. Now that fans have had the opportunity to be a "GM", have they noticed patterns in how they make their selections. I certainly have noticed some for me. I think I would probably be an impatient GM. I would want to give up picks to move up to get players I want. haha

 

To the bolded, it actually saves time (no arguing necessary) if you go BPA. Just check the Big Board and decide if the BPA makes sense for the team.

 

Not if the Big Board is something everyone cannot agree on, that is the subjective nature of the draft. The Big Board is not the truth, just a guide or reference of players available around a subjective ranking. A clear example was Joe Mixon, who was not in the top 200 of this Big Board (from FanSpeak) but is in the Top 100 Big Board of the CBS nfldraftscout.com rankings.

 

Tampa Bay Bucs chose the U.Conn safety way above their projected ranking and Joe Mixon that wasn't on this list (WarGhost21), so he obviously strongly felt differently.

 

That was also the reason I specified at the beginning of the draft "you can explain your draft picks if you want to but you don't need to..."

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1 minute ago, chad72 said:

 

Not if the Big Board is something everyone cannot agree on, that is the subjective nature of the draft. The Big Board is not the truth, just a guide or reference. A clear example was Joe Mixon, who was not in the top 200 of this Big Board (from FanSpeak) but is in the Top 100 Big Board of the CBS nfldraftscout.com rankings.

 

I know. I check out all of them and they all have different grades on all players except the top ones.

 

My point:  OPC wrote that it is not worth it to argue over players because everyone wants the mock draft to move along. So, for purposes of simply moving the mock draft along, I am arguing that it saves time if you just select the BPA on the board that we are using (the one here). 

 

(Please note: I am NOT suggesting that you should do this. I am simply responding to his saying that taking BPA for the consensus pick takes more time.)

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1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

 

I know. I check out all of them and they all have different grades on all players except the top ones.

 

My point:  OPC wrote that it is not worth it to argue over players because everyone wants the mock draft to move along. So, for purposes of simply moving the mock draft along, I am arguing that it saves time if you just select the BPA on the board that we are using (the one here). 

 

(Please note: I am NOT suggesting that you should do this. I am simply responding to his saying that taking BPA for the consensus pick takes more time.)

 

That is 100% correct.

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