csmopar Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Today is the 5 year anniversary of the hiring of Chuck Pagano. Now, I know a lot on here want him gone, MYSELF INCLUDED. But I thought I'd look at his record on paper. 41-23 Regular Season 3-3 Post Season 44-26 overall for a .629 winning average. That's with 3 different offensive cordinators, 2 different DCs and a hurt andrew luck for 2 seasons, missing 9 games total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarGhost21 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 He isn't as bad as everyone says he is. He hasn't had a losing record in any of his 5 seasons, and he was never given good talent on defense (thanks, Grigson). He's a good man too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsColtsFan1 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I know a lot of people don't care for him but I don't think he's that bad of a coach. I've been saying for a while he needs some talent on the defensive side of the ball. I really think the GM was the issue. If Chuck is the coach next year and is unsuccessful with a new GM then I can admit I was wrong. Let's see what he can do with a new GM and decent draft. I am not saying he's the best coach in the league, there are plenty that are better but he's not the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Irrelevant Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 As Pagano once said after a game: "It is never as good as you think, and it is never as bad as you think". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDewar1987 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 He's not a horrible coach, he's done good with what he's been given. Definitely not a BB though obviously lol. He can't help it if our defense has been garbage for ever. He has made some very bone headed decisions though... fake punt and bad clock management for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, TDewar1987 said: He's not a horrible coach, he's done good with what he's been given. Definitely not a BB though obviously lol. He can't help it if our defense has been garbage for ever. He has made some very bone headed decisions though... fake punt and bad clock management for example. yeah he has. But part of me is sitting here wondering if maybe that's because he was trying to do too much with too little? I still think we need a new coach to win us the trophy but I'm willing to give him one more chance to see if the reports are true now that Grigson is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDewar1987 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, csmopar said: yeah he has. But part of me is sitting here wondering if maybe that's because he was trying to do too much with too little? I still think we need a new coach to win us the trophy but I'm willing to give him one more chance to see if the reports are true now that Grigson is gone. For sure. Give him a year with the new GM to see if he improves, assuming the new GM doesn't show him the door and we draft well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucky89 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Whose to say the next coach won't be worse than Chucky? Man is definitely underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, csmopar said: Today is the 5 year anniversary of the hiring of Chuck Pagano. Now, I know a lot on here want him gone, MYSELF INCLUDED. But I thought I'd look at his record on paper. 41-23 Regular Season 3-3 Post Season 44-26 overall for a .629 winning average. That's with 3 different offensive cordinators, 2 different DCs and a hurt andrew luck for 2 seasons, missing 9 games total. Appreciate the post..... Thanks. Just not sure how you got 41-23? I've got 49-31, and that's what the Colts and the NFL would say. But even if you discount his first year where Arians took over, you've taken off 8 wins and 8 losses from Chuck. As if you've left off either the 2015 or the 2016 season? Seems..... odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisticuffs111 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's true, he's not as terrible as some think. I'm hoping for change if this team still struggles in similar areas, even if they win a couple more games, doesn't mean I don't think he's a great guy though. I'd like to see what he could do as a college HC. Seems perfect for him, really. I know I'm not a huge supporter of his now, but funnily enough I'd root hard for him if he went anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said: Appreciate the post..... Thanks. Just not sure how you got 41-23? I've got 49-31, and that's what the Colts and the NFL would say. But even if you discount his first year where Arians took over, you've taken off 8 wins and 8 losses from Chuck. As if you've left off either the 2015 or the 2016 season? Seems..... odd. I forgot the 2016 season, my bad, you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler_Colt Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I will state my opinion that he's not terrible, probably just average. However, I think most people can agree that he's just not the guy to take the Colts to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 15 minutes ago, csmopar said: I forgot the 2016 season, my bad, you are correct. Thanks..... No worries..... I'm operating on not very much sleep. Figured it was most likely me and not you. Again, thanks for that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said: Thanks..... No worries..... I'm operating on not very much sleep. Figured it was most likely me and not you. Again, thanks for that.... nah, i just mis-added, nice catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck Showalter Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 In another thread where someone almost jokingly compared the Colts to Cleveland Browns, I optimistically suggested that the Colts comparerd better to the '13-'15 Falcons, in that both teams lacked talent in the defensive side of the ball but had upper tier offenses that were capable. Now looking at the comparison further, does Pagano compare similarly to Mike Smith in some ways??? Defensive minded coaches with under performing defenses, but overall decent records, that don't really tell the whole story??? Quinn has certainly/obviously helped the Falcons give over that hump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gspdx Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I like Chuck Pagano. I think he would be a great coordinator. I think he struggles with game planning. Nobody seems to be able to game plan like the Pats. I also think he struggles with in-game adjustments. Can he improve in these areas - sure, if he thinks it's an issue and he wants to work on it. I said this before. Marty Schottenheimer was a great coach during the week. He had some great teams that didn't quite make it to the top. Way too many times his teams would be in the lead in the 4th qtr and would give it back by playing a prevent defense. It was horrible to watch. I get the same feeling about Pagano. He's not a bad coach, but is he who we want for the next few years during Luck's prime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockThatBlue Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Hes not as bad as some people say, but hes not as good as some people say either. I think hes just average. Good enough to get you to the playoff some years, but also has years where he won't make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZColt11 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 13 hours ago, TDewar1987 said: He's not a horrible coach, he's done good with what he's been given. Definitely not a BB though obviously lol. He can't help it if our defense has been garbage for ever. He has made some very bone headed decisions though... fake punt and bad clock management for example. Yeah this was my complaint as well. I mean when you step back and look at the record he is pretty high up there really. BUT, there are always those 2-3 times in the game where you go On the whole, I think he's doing as well as his personnel will allow him. BUT, I would still like to go in another direction if a better option comes along. I think an owner should ALWAYS be looking for ways to upgrade his franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockThatBlue Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, AZColt11 said: I think an owner should ALWAYS be looking for ways to upgrade his franchise. Thats why I think Irsay is a great owner. You can tell hes willing to do anything to make this team better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 19 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said: Thats why I think Irsay is a great owner. You can tell hes willing to do anything to make this team better. I honestly think he's the best Owner in the NFL. I would rather have him than Kraft even, he doesn't cheat - ok I will stop there but he has the 2nd Most Regular Season wins since being Owner, brought the Indianapolis Colts a SB Championship, and he made sure we took Peyton over Leaf and Luck over RGIII. As the Owner there was no chance he was going to let our GM's choose those other QB's. He also cares about what the fans think. Yeah Trolls like to make fun of him because of his DUI and Pill addiction but IMO that is really sad. It doesn't take away his ability of being a Great Owner and caring about the fans. He also had nothing to do with the move from Baltimore, that was his daddy so that should be squashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockThatBlue Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: I honestly think he's the best Owner in the NFL. I would rather have him than Kraft even, he doesn't cheat - ok I will stop there but he has the 2nd Most Regular Season wins since being Owner, brought the Indianapolis Colts a SB Championship, and he made sure we took Peyton over Leaf and Luck over RGIII. As the Owner there was no chance he was going to let our GM's choose those other QB's. He also cares about what the fans think. Yeah Trolls like to make fun of him because of his DUI and Pill addiction but IMO that is really sad. It doesn't take away his ability of being a Great Owner and caring about the fans. He also had nothing to do with the move from Baltimore, that was his daddy so that should be squashed. I think its disgusting when people make fun of his past drug addiction. Thats nothing to be joking about. It shows hes not a perfect human being, but no one is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wow, what a refreshing thread. No demonizing or glorifying! I've said it in enough other threads - you can look at just about every other NFL coach (except BB, who we know must have sold his soul) and point out their flaws. Chuck was given a franchise QB, a few decent WRs, a constantly underperforming O line, absolutely no pass rush the last couple years, amongst other deficiencies. While I'm fairly certain BB could have won with this team, I'm not sure how many other coaches could have. Not saying he's great, but he's certainly a good coach. And no one can dispute how much the players love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 22 minutes ago, Smonroe said: Wow, what a refreshing thread. No demonizing or glorifying! I've said it in enough other threads - you can look at just about every other NFL coach (except BB, who we know must have sold his soul) and point out their flaws. Chuck was given a franchise QB, a few decent WRs, a constantly underperforming O line, absolutely no pass rush the last couple years, amongst other deficiencies. While I'm fairly certain BB could have won with this team, I'm not sure how many other coaches could have. Not saying he's great, but he's certainly a good coach. And no one can dispute how much the players love him. after hearing comments from Reggie wayne the other day where he gave pointed answers about Grigson, as well as the response from multiple players, I'm starting to warm up on Pagano staying, that said, if a upgrade comes along, I hope we nab him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 The real question is how much wood did we chop in those 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Superman Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Worst day of my life. Never liked or wanted Chuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltfreak Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 hours ago, 21isSuperman said: The real question is how much wood did we chop in those 5 years? Not enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 On this day 5 years ago, the Colts hired Pagano On this day 17 years ago, the Pats hired Belichick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luck is Good Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I agree that Chuck hasn't been given that great of talent to work with these 5 years. But that doesn't excuse the fact that his teams just start slow, lack execution and don't play full four quarters of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 6 hours ago, Smonroe said: Wow, what a refreshing thread. No demonizing or glorifying! Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltsleafs Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Was Dungy really all that good of a coach if you really think about it? He was brought in to help build a defence which never really happened Peyton was so good at what he does he was able to hide that. I remember always complaining Dungy too conservative remember all the times Peyton waved the punt team back off the field lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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