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People go on and on about head coaching experience.  I posted a list a while back of Super Bowl winning head coaches.  The vast majority, over 2/3, had no previous experience and won their first Super Bowl within 5 years with their team - most within 2-3 years, just as Belichick did and Quinn now has a chance to do.

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Who’s the G.M. favorite in Indy?

Mike Florio is now saying that, despite all the reports of the Colts focusing on prospects from outside the organization, the choice will probably be Jimmy Raye.

And he goes on to say, basically, how Raye would be easier to fire, if the team stinks again next year.

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3 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

Who’s the G.M. favorite in Indy?

Mike Florio is now saying that, despite all the reports of the Colts focusing on prospects from outside the organization, the choice will probably be Jimmy Raye.

And it he goes on to say, basically, how Raye would be easier to fire, if the team stinks again next year. 

It's the same thing he said four days ago.  

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4 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

Who’s the G.M. favorite in Indy?

Mike Florio is now saying that, despite all the reports of the Colts focusing on prospects from outside the organization, the choice will probably be Jimmy Raye.

And he goes on to say, basically, how Raye would be easier to fire, if the team stinks again next year.

I don't think that piece makes much sense. Go for a certain candidate because he is easier to fire? That is just a silly idea.

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6 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

Who’s the G.M. favorite in Indy?

Mike Florio is now saying that, despite all the reports of the Colts focusing on prospects from outside the organization, the choice will probably be Jimmy Raye.

And he goes on to say, basically, how Raye would be easier to fire, if the team stinks again next year.


I hope he's just speculating because of the new info that Pagano has talked with candidates.

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30 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

Who’s the G.M. favorite in Indy?

Mike Florio is now saying that, despite all the reports of the Colts focusing on prospects from outside the organization, the choice will probably be Jimmy Raye.

And he goes on to say, basically, how Raye would be easier to fire, if the team stinks again next year.

 

Not only does Florio not have a good batting average for predictions,  but this one is incredibly poor.     

 

He fires Grigson,  does a 6-man search with the top names for the new GM.    Passes on the 5 outsiders to promote Jimmy Raye.     But then, if the team does poorly next year,  (which would be on Grigson/Pagano)  Irsay would use that as an excuse to also fire Raye after one year.

 

That's among the lamest bit of analysis and forecasting I've ever read.

 

I'd be embarrassed to write that with my name attached.

 

Wait until Superman reads this!!         :peek:                  :facepalm:

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21 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

Who’s the G.M. favorite in Indy?

...Promoting Raye also makes it easier to put G.M. and coach on equal footing for accountability purposes, with both being told that either they succeed together or fail together. It would be difficult to tell a new G.M. from the outside that he’s fused at the hip with Pagano.

So if it doesn’t work between Raye and Pagano, that would be the occasion to press the reset button, hire someone from the outside, and hire a new coach.

 

Here we go again with the stupid "fused at the hip" analogy.

How did that work out the last time with Grigson and Pagano??

And now they figure Irsay wants Grigson's replacement to be "fused at the hip" with Chuck?

 

Good Grief!

 

If Irsay does pick Raye. 

I hope it is not because Irsay wants to try Raye and Pagano for one season (and assuming the team continues to struggle)  

Then fire them both and start this whole process over again next year?

What an asinine approach that would be.

 

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If you are hiring somebody with the thought in mind that you could easily fire them, then you do not believe in that person. Florio is an embarrassment. 

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The Colts have been pretty open with their information.  Now that we know they are bringing in certain candidates for a 2nd interview, and we find out one of them is Raye, that will enlighten us a bit.  How could he say no to a 2nd interview with one of his own?  I would think, Raye, Paton, Ballard for round 2.  hard to say no to Wolf, but at 34, probably needs to cut his teeth a bit more.... did you hear he's been helping with the draft since the age of 11 ?  Wow!!!  maybe he's cut those NFL scouting teeth a long time ago.

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50 minutes ago, chrisfarley said:

The Colts have been pretty open with their information.  Now that we know they are bringing in certain candidates for a 2nd interview, and we find out one of them is Raye, that will enlighten us a bit.  How could he say no to a 2nd interview with one of his own?  I would think, Raye, Paton, Ballard for round 2. Professor John Clayton says Raye, Wolf & Ballard.  hard to say no to Wolf, but at 34, probably needs to cut his teeth a bit more.... did you hear he's been helping with the draft since the age of 11 ?  Wow!!!  maybe he's cut those NFL scouting teeth a long time ago. 

 

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1 hour ago, Derakynn said:

If you are hiring somebody with the thought in mind that you could easily fire them, then you do not believe in that person. Florio is an embarrassment. 

Irsay is on record saying that he values stability and continuity. This hire Raye because he would be easier to fire is the opposite. I don't believe it.

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5 hours ago, grmasterb said:

May I introduce you to John Harbaugh?

 

Heres the problem though...name another example.

 

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5 hours ago, coltsblue1844 said:

 

Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil, Mike Ditka, Bill Cowher, Bill Belichick and John HHarbaugh

 

Aside from harbaugh, did any of the others jump straight from ST to HC?  THATS the difference

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I don't think Irsay is playing around here.  That said, it could just as easily be Raye as anyone else. Getting interesting for sure.

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31 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

Aside from harbaugh, did any of the others jump straight from ST to HC?  THATS the difference

 

Harbaugh didn't do that either.

 

from wiki

 

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In 2007, after serving as Eagles' special-teams coach for nine years, he became their defensive-backs coach. This fulfilled his request to head coach Reid and improved his chances of landing a head coaching job, since executives at that time viewed special teams coaches as unqualified to move up to head coach.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harbaugh

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I didn't really have a problem with Raye to begin with, and still don't think he would necessarily be a bad choice.  But, after seeing the other potential GMs and reading up on them I have to admit I think I would feel kinda "blah"/let down if Raye ended up as GM. 

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I would assume Paton would want an answer from the Colts fairly quickly with things moving along in SanFran. (ARTICLE: Nick Wagoner 01/27)

I bolded the more salient & relevant items below that pertain to the way they are conducting their search and items pertaining to Paton.

 

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan hasn't been allowed to speak to the San Francisco 49ers since the parties first met on Jan. 6.

The Niners can't hire Shanahan as their next head coach -- the expected outcome from this extended search -- until after the Super Bowl. But the Niners can have contact with Shanahan again before he sits at the controls of Atlanta's offense in the Super Bowl.

While his focus remains on the Falcons' offense and the Super Bowl, Kyle Shanahan also has his eye on the 49ers and their search for a coach and a general manager. Curtis Compton/Atlanta Journal-Constitution via AP

That contact is set to happen this weekend, as the Niners and Shanahan have scheduled a second interview session. Shanahan has spent this week preparing a game plan for the New England Patriots but now has a window of Friday afternoon through Saturday in which he is eligible to meet with the 49ers.

“It’s worked out pretty good because getting this bye week before the Super Bowl, we have two weeks to prepare for it," Shanahan said Thursday. "We all get the day off on Saturday before we travel on Sunday. So on Saturday, I’m going to do what I did a couple of Saturdays ago and interviewed for the first time. So I’ll get a chance to talk with them again, and we’ll see how it goes.’’

Of course, these meetings will take on a much different tone and look from the initial interview. The Niners honed in on Shanahan as their primary target almost two weeks ago, which means there's little need for trying to determine if Shanahan is the right guy for the job.

Instead, this second meeting will be more focused on what the Niners can do to put Shanahan in the best position to succeed. Niners CEO Jed York said at the outset of this process that he didn't care if he hired a general manager or a coach first, so long as the duo had a good rapport and could work together.

“I think we need to be open and flexible to structure," York said. "We need to make sure that the head coach and the general manager know each other, have a good understanding for each other. Doesn’t mean that they had to have worked together in the past, but they have to have a good respect for each other and a good understanding and know that they have similar visions and philosophies on building a football team.

"And whatever structure is the best with the people that we’re interviewing is the structure that we’re going to go with.”

Half of that equation is presumably complete as the Niners await the chance to formally hire Shanahan. But this weekend's meetings will be largely devoted to finishing the puzzle. In addition to meeting with Shanahan, the Niners are also set to meet with their two remaining general manager candidates, Minnesota Vikings assistant general manager George Paton and Arizona Cardinals vice president of player personnel Terry McDonough.

Paton and McDonough are the only candidates left from the team's initial pool for the general manager job, and both will be in their second meeting with the Niners. This time, though, it's expected that Shanahan will participate in those meetings, which are scheduled to take place in Atlanta. Involving Shanahan would allow the Niners the chance to see how he interacts with Paton and McDonough and help them compare and contrast philosophies for building a team.

With no restrictions on when they can hire a general manager, it's possible the 49ers could choose one of the candidates and hire him before Shanahan would be eligible to be hired officially. That will likely depend on who hits it off with Shanahan.

Speaking to the MMQB podcast this week, Shanahan didn't sound fazed by the fact that the 49ers are looking to hire a coach again after firing each of their past two head coaches after just one season.

“You got to look into every situation for what they have, what they’re saying,” Shanahan said. “I got to talk to them a couple of weeks ago. I’ll be allowed to talk to them again this week. We’ll see what their plans are -- don’t really know yet. But that’s definitely something that’s enticing, and you hope to have an opportunity because everything takes time.

“I’ve believed it for a while. You always want the right opportunity. But I’ve been battle-tested. I think I went through a lot of situations that a lot of coordinators in the league haven’t. I think I’ve had to handle some situations or got some attention, mostly negative, that usually head coaches only have to deal with. So I think that’s helped me prepare from that standpoint.”

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19 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

GEORGE PATON MAY NOT ACCEPT POTENTIAL OFFER

SUNDAY, JANUARY 29, 2017 10:24 AM EST
Minnesota Vikings assistant general manager George Paton is not a lock to accept the San Francisco 49ers' general manager job if he is offered the position, according to multiple league sources.

 

I'd be just as happy with Paton.

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On 1/28/2017 at 9:41 AM, #12. said:

just as Belichick did

 

I'm sorry, what?

 

Belichick was the Browns head coach for five years, and only made the playoffs once. He doesn't belong on your list.

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On 1/28/2017 at 9:50 AM, NewColtsFan said:

 

Not only does Florio not have a good batting average for predictions,  but this one is incredibly poor.     

 

He fires Grigson,  does a 6-man search with the top names for the new GM.    Passes on the 5 outsiders to promote Jimmy Raye.     But then, if the team does poorly next year,  (which would be on Grigson/Pagano)  Irsay would use that as an excuse to also fire Raye after one year.

 

That's among the lamest bit of analysis and forecasting I've ever read.

 

I'd be embarrassed to write that with my name attached.

 

Wait until Superman reads this!!         :peek:                  :facepalm:

 

This is why I typically don't read Florio.

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On ‎1‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 9:50 AM, NewColtsFan said:

 

Not only does Florio not have a good batting average for predictions,  but this one is incredibly poor.     

 

He fires Grigson,  does a 6-man search with the top names for the new GM.    Passes on the 5 outsiders to promote Jimmy Raye.     But then, if the team does poorly next year,  (which would be on Grigson/Pagano)  Irsay would use that as an excuse to also fire Raye after one year.

 

That's among the lamest bit of analysis and forecasting I've ever read.

 

I'd be embarrassed to write that with my name attached.

 

Wait until Superman reads this!!         :peek:                  :facepalm:

That guy is a huge Colts hater. What a turd.

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