What grade would you give to our 1st yr DC?

[colts2dasuperbowl]

Just as the title says, what grade would you guys give?

I thought our takeaways would really improve with Pag's db coach background and Ted's lb coaching background. I was kind of disappointed in that area, but overall he was just as what I expected out of him as a 1st year coach.

 

Do you guys think he will be a good DC in the near future or do we need to look for another DC next year?

 

[RockThatBlue]

D

 

I know it was his first year and its not all of his fault, but I wasn't very impressed. 

[Imped]

Our defense with Manusky performed much better....and they weren't even that good. At least they got creative to generate pressure on the QB. 

[colts2dasuperbowl]

Just now, RockThatBlue said:

D

 

I know it was his first year and its not all of his fault, but I wasn't very impressed. 

Same.

However, I would give him another year just because our D never got healthy this year.

 

[colts2dasuperbowl]

2 minutes ago, Imped said:

Our defense with Manusky performed much better....and they weren't even that good. At least they got creative to generate pressure on the QB. 

I hated Manusky so bad! lol

 

[RockThatBlue]

2 minutes ago, colts2dasuperbowl said:

Same.

However, I would give him another year just because our D never got healthy this year.

 

I agree, I'm not saying I'm ready to see him fired. But the D was awful for most of the year. We will see if its better when its healthier, with probably some new pieces from free agency and the draft.

[1959Colts]

F

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, 1959Colts said:

F

Please explain in great detail where he came up short.  Leave nothing out.  

[IinD]

30th ranked In yards allowed and 25 ppg given up, 22nd in the league in that category.

 

That's in the bad to trash grading area.

[1959Colts]

2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Please explain in great detail where he came up short.  Leave nothing out.  

 

One of the worst defenses I have ever watched. Period

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, 1959Colts said:

 

One of the worst defenses I have ever watched. Period

Not true if you claim to have been a fan since 59.

 

 

[1959Colts]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

Not true if you claim to have been a fan since 59.

 

 

I've seen em all son, And trust me, this one is right up there.

[jchandler7]

D

First time DC and not much talent to work with but we where awful. A good DC would've had the same squad middle of the pack IMO. I wouldn't be upset at all if they upgraded DC's this offseason but I know that's probably not going to happen since he only had one year (which is understandable).

[NewColtsFan]

 

Incomplete.

 

There's little talent on that side of the ball.

 

There's only so much that can be done.

 

We'll see what Monachino does when he gets some talent.

 

[backshoulderfade]

All I know is that man loves to rush 3.

[jvan1973]

3 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

I've seen em all son, And trust me, this one is right up there.

No it isn't dad.   Do some research

[1959Colts]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Incomplete.

 

There's little talent on that side of the ball.

 

There's only so much that can be done.

 

We'll see what Monachino does when he gets some talent.

 

 

I predict Monachino gets canned within a few weeks, and will be replaced by Chuck Pagano's brother... John.

[RollerColt]

F for allowing Brock Osweiler and a number of backup level QBs to beat us... in our own house.

 

F for allowing us to fall apart in critical situations at the end of the game resulting in a loss. I understand the circumstances but this is professional football. You have to be better, no excuses.

[AlanNC]

F and that is being nice.

[IndyD4U]

Was there supposed to be a poll? 

 

I say C

[1959Colts]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

No it isn't dad.   Do some research

 

Time after time, the opposing teams just go right down the field and score a touchdown against this defense.

We almost never make a stop.

Do you think the defense was any bit promising?

[IinD]

1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

F for allowing Brock Osweiler and a number of backup level QBs to beat us... in our own house.

 

F for allowing us to fall apart in critical situations at the end of the game resulting in a loss. I understand the circumstances but this is professional football. You have to be better, no excuses.

So we're in the participation ribbon zone of defense??

[Malakai432]

1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

F for allowing Brock Osweiler and a number of backup level QBs to beat us... in our own house.

 

F for allowing us to fall apart in critical situations at the end of the game resulting in a loss. I understand the circumstances but this is professional football. You have to be better, no excuses.

 

I wouldn't quite say Brock beat them down but LaMar Miller beat the #@#()!!)@@)))))))))))))))))))##########($*@!*!)$$(@)@@ !!!!!!!!! out of them twice.

[1959Colts]

Just now, Malakai432 said:

 

I wouldn't quite say Brock beat them down but LaMar Miller beat the #@#()!!)@@)))))))))))))))))))##########($*@!*!)$$(@)@@ !!!!!!!!! out of them twice.

 

And lets not forget Theo Riddick

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, 1959Colts said:

 

Time after time, the opposing teams just go right down the field and score a touchdown against this defense.

We almost never make a stop.

Do you think the defense was any bit promising?

I guess you slept through the Mike McCormick and Frank Kush years.   I didn't say our defense was good now,  I said they weren't the worst in franchise history like you claim.  Are you sure your name shouldn't be 1999 colts?

[1959Colts]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

I guess you slept through the Mike McCormick and Frank Kush years.   I didn't say our defense was good now,  I said they weren't the worst in franchise history like you claim.  Are you sure your name shouldn't be 1999 colts?

 

I watched all those teams and defenses. This year's defense was no better.

[jvan1973]

Just now, 1959Colts said:

 

I watched all those teams and defenses. This year's defense was no better.

Statistics say otherwise.   

[1959Colts]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

I guess you slept through the Mike McCormick and Frank Kush years.   I didn't say our defense was good now,  I said they weren't the worst in franchise history like you claim.  Are you sure your name shouldn't be 1999 colts?

 

Did you see those defenses? Or are you siting the statistics? 

[NorthernBlue]

C, and I'm being very generous

 

They were VERY BAD and at times unwatchable......but they were also decimated by injuries, and when they were healthy......well the unit just lacks talent. So I couldn't really expect much more from Ted.

Pagano and Ted have said before that having a healthy secondary is key specifically for this defense, which is what led them to being so vanilla at times.

 

Next season, with some improved talent (hopefully), and another year for guys like Green, Geathers, Anderson, Ridgeway etc, I would hope they can at least be middle of the pack.

[1959Colts]

I dont care about stats. I watch football and form my opinions from what I see on the field.

[Bubbz]

F 

 

FOR FIRE

[jvan1973]

3 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

 

Did you see those defenses? Or are you siting the statistics? 

I watched all of the Frank kush, rod dowhower, ron meyer, rick venturi, lindy infante seasons.   All were worse than this staff.   

[jvan1973]

5 minutes ago, 1959Colts said:

I dont care about stats. I watch football and form my opinions from what I see on the field.

So,  in your expert opinion,  What should he have done with a defense devoid of playmakers

[1959Colts]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

So,  in your expert opinion,  What should he have done with a defense devoid of playmakers

 

Fire the coaches and GM

[1959Colts]

Just forget it man. I;m done.

You stay positive.

[jvan1973]

Just now, 1959Colts said:

 

Fire the coaches and GM

So no in depth analysis?  Kind of what I figured

[jvan1973]

Just now, 1959Colts said:

Just forget it man. I;m done.

You stay positive.

That's what most rational people do in a situation in which they have no control

[Malakai432]

14 minutes ago, NorthernBlue said:

C, and I'm being very generous

 

They were VERY BAD and at times unwatchable......but they were also decimated by injuries, and when they were healthy......well the unit just lacks talent. So I couldn't really expect much more from Ted.

Pagano and Ted have said before that having a healthy secondary is key specifically for this defense, which is what led them to being so vanilla at times.

 

Next season, with some improved talent (hopefully), and another year for guys like Green, Geathers, Anderson, Ridgeway etc, I would hope they can at least be middle of the pack.

 

A top 20, let alone a top 15 would be crazy.  It seems though like the task of getting to top 20 let alone 15, even with fully healthy, without Mathis is going to be incredibly difficult.  Draft and FA will need to be nailed, if Grigson takes a passive dip in FA this D will go nowhere even if he nails in the draft imo.  Lots of good young prospects but they will have to make a big leap in performance as well as Grigs nailing in the draft and FA to become a top 15 D.  Most of all the worst plague of it all injures , a healthy D is huge!  

[RollerColt]

2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

So,  in your expert opinion,  What should he have done with a defense devoid of playmakers

I'll try though I'm no expert:

 

I was hoping we would think outside the box and adjust to our opponents in terms of play calling. For example stack the box against Miller and the Texans, maybe throw in some safety blitzes to help out with the lack of pass rush and rattle Brock. Heck just blitz on every down but change which player does it and which drops into coverage.

 

Pick a game changing player and completely shut them down, forcing other players to step up: i.e. triple team Antonio Brown, lol. 

[Malakai432]

4 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

I'll try though I'm no expert:

 

I was hoping we would think outside the box and adjust to our opponents in terms of play calling. For example stack the box against Miller and the Texans, maybe throw in some safety blitzes to help out with the lack of pass rush and rattle Brock. Heck just blitz on every down but change which player does it and which drops into coverage.

 

Pick a game changing player and completely shut them down, forcing other players to step up: i.e. triple team Antonio Brown, lol. 

 

That just doesn't happen with a lowly D even with schemes, Bell just absolutely destroyed them.  The Colts D doesn't have this capability.  They did well against Hopkins and still were wiped out by the Texans.