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Just wanted to let everyone know I still feel healthy, just working a lot. Hozer and I miss doing play by play of Cubs games on here and commenting on the games. Everything will be back to normal soon

As most of you know, I'm a Cardinals fan.  But you don't know that at one time I was a Cubs fan.  This was in the early 1980's while I was in college and got cable TV.  Our TV provider had WGN and sin

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As most of you know, I'm a Cardinals fan.  But you don't know that at one time I was a Cubs fan.  This was in the early 1980's while I was in college and got cable TV.  Our TV provider had WGN and since I had morning classes, I could go home and watch Cubs games in the afternoon since Wrigley didn't get lights until 1988.

 

I really enjoyed those teams...Sandberg, Jodie Davis, Leon Durham, etc.  The best part was listening to Harry Caray call the games...he was one of a kind and made watching so much fun.

 

In April 1983, me and a couple of friends made a road trip from southern Kentucky (Bowling Green) to Chicago to attend a Cubs game.  It was my first trip to Wrigley.  We left late Saturday night and drove all night to arrive in Chicago Sunday morning for the game that afternoon against the Giants.

 

We got into the ballpark to watch batting practice and it was a cold and windy day...surprise, right?  Our tickets were in the lower level a few rows up from the third base dugout.  I look down and see Harry Caray on the field behind the batting cage talking to players and coaches.  He makes his way to the gate in the brick wall near the end of the dugout to walk up the steps through the lower level to get up to the press box.

 

So, my friends and I walk over and I hand my camera to a friend and I block the aisle so Harry will have to stop.  I ask if I can get a picture and autograph and he gladly obliged and threw his arm around my shoulder and I got the priceless photo with him.

 

I also followed the Cardinals since their AAA team was in Louisville, KY, near where I grew up and lived in southern Indiana.  I went to a lot of Redbirds games and saw many future Cardinals come up through Louisville on the way to St. Louis...Van Slyke, Coleman, MgGee, Zeile, the Benes brothers, Langford and many others. 

 

I eventually became a full-time Cardinals fan once Harry Caray retired and watching Cubs games just wasn't the same as it was with him doing the broadcasts.

 

Thought you all would enjoy this story.

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2 hours ago, Barry Sears said:

As most of you know, I'm a Cardinals fan.  But you don't know that at one time I was a Cubs fan.  This was in the early 1980's while I was in college and got cable TV.  Our TV provider had WGN and since I had morning classes, I could go home and watch Cubs games in the afternoon since Wrigley didn't get lights until 1988.

 

I really enjoyed those teams...Sandberg, Jodie Davis, Leon Durham, etc.  The best part was listening to Harry Caray call the games...he was one of a kind and made watching so much fun.

 

In April 1983, me and a couple of friends made a road trip from southern Kentucky (Bowling Green) to Chicago to attend a Cubs game.  It was my first trip to Wrigley.  We left late Saturday night and drove all night to arrive in Chicago Sunday morning for the game that afternoon against the Giants.

 

We got into the ballpark to watch batting practice and it was a cold and windy day...surprise, right?  Our tickets were in the lower level a few rows up from the third base dugout.  I look down and see Harry Caray on the field behind the batting cage talking to players and coaches.  He makes his way to the gate in the brick wall near the end of the dugout to walk up the steps through the lower level to get up to the press box.

 

So, my friends and I walk over and I hand my camera to a friend and I block the aisle so Harry will have to stop.  I ask if I can get a picture and autograph and he gladly obliged and threw his arm around my shoulder and I got the priceless photo with him.

 

I also followed the Cardinals since their AAA team was in Louisville, KY, near where I grew up and lived in southern Indiana.  I went to a lot of Redbirds games and saw many future Cardinals come up through Louisville on the way to St. Louis...Van Slyke, Coleman, MgGee, Zeile, the Benes brothers, Langford and many others. 

 

I eventually became a full-time Cardinals fan once Harry Caray retired and watching Cubs games just wasn't the same as it was with him doing the broadcasts.

 

Thought you all would enjoy this story.

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Great story! That pic with Harry Caray is priceless!!!! I’ve made some great memories at Wrigley and Wrigleyville over the years, can’t wait to go back.

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7 hours ago, Barry Sears said:

As most of you know, I'm a Cardinals fan.  But you don't know that at one time I was a Cubs fan.  This was in the early 1980's while I was in college and got cable TV.  Our TV provider had WGN and since I had morning classes, I could go home and watch Cubs games in the afternoon since Wrigley didn't get lights until 1988.

 

I really enjoyed those teams...Sandberg, Jodie Davis, Leon Durham, etc.  The best part was listening to Harry Caray call the games...he was one of a kind and made watching so much fun.

 

In April 1983, me and a couple of friends made a road trip from southern Kentucky (Bowling Green) to Chicago to attend a Cubs game.  It was my first trip to Wrigley.  We left late Saturday night and drove all night to arrive in Chicago Sunday morning for the game that afternoon against the Giants.

 

We got into the ballpark to watch batting practice and it was a cold and windy day...surprise, right?  Our tickets were in the lower level a few rows up from the third base dugout.  I look down and see Harry Caray on the field behind the batting cage talking to players and coaches.  He makes his way to the gate in the brick wall near the end of the dugout to walk up the steps through the lower level to get up to the press box.

 

So, my friends and I walk over and I hand my camera to a friend and I block the aisle so Harry will have to stop.  I ask if I can get a picture and autograph and he gladly obliged and threw his arm around my shoulder and I got the priceless photo with him.

 

I also followed the Cardinals since their AAA team was in Louisville, KY, near where I grew up and lived in southern Indiana.  I went to a lot of Redbirds games and saw many future Cardinals come up through Louisville on the way to St. Louis...Van Slyke, Coleman, MgGee, Zeile, the Benes brothers, Langford and many others. 

 

I eventually became a full-time Cardinals fan once Harry Caray retired and watching Cubs games just wasn't the same as it was with him doing the broadcasts.

 

Thought you all would enjoy this story.

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That is how I became a Cub fan as well. I got cable tv in 1984 and the Cubs were always on WGN with Harry calling games and I got addicted. The 1984 team was great too (fun year) and should've been in the WS but blew a 2-0 nothing lead in the NLCS. I loved Ryne Sandberg and Rick Sutcliffe. In 1987 the Cubs were mediocre but Andre Dawson won NL MVP and once again the Cubs were fun to watch. I just stayed a fan since then even through the lean years and there have been many. Finally in 2015 the Cubs became a powerhouse and have been since then winning a WS in 2016. Off year last year but 84-78 was still a winning season. So far this season, the Cubs look great again.

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8 minutes ago, PuntersArePeopleToo said:

@2006Coltsbestever I became one just due to proximity and the fact the Peoria Chiefs, where I am still living, were the Cubs affiliate at the time I started watching baseball like 12 years ago. If not for that IDK who I would be. I am going to be living in STL though in a couple months time though

Around here when I was a kid it was either the Cubs or Reds because Indy didn't have a team. I chose the Cubs.

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WOOT!

CUBS WIN  CUBS WIN  CUBS WIN 

Yikes...  10-2

 

Figured out how to make the bullpen work, I gotta fall asleep in the sixth.

LOL

 

GO CUBS GO 

FLY THE W 

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18 minutes ago, jmac_48 said:

WOOT!

CUBS WIN  CUBS WIN  CUBS WIN 

Yikes...  10-2

 

Figured out how to make the bullpen work, I gotta fall asleep in the sixth.

LOL

 

GO CUBS GO 

FLY THE W 

10-2 indeed, we look awesome like a machine. The players love Ross. 

Fly the flag @HOZER, we are rolling! 10-2 on the season.

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1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

10-2 indeed, we look awesome like a machine. The players love Ross. 

Fly the flag @HOZER, we are rolling! 10-2 on the season.


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7 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Around here when I was a kid it was either the Cubs or Reds because Indy didn't have a team. I chose the Cubs.

I think if I had stayed in IN when I was beginning to watch baseball it would have been between Reds, Cubs, and Pirates since triple A. But by the time I was 10 I had moved. 

 

 

When I am in STL next year I will probably try to attend as many of the Cubs/Cards series as possible since there are 10 games and I'm 15 minutes from Busch at that point

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3 hours ago, PuntersArePeopleToo said:

Pirates since triple A.

We(Indianapolis Indians) used to be AAA team of the:

Expos 1984-1992

Reds 1968-1983, 1993-1999 and a bunch of other years

Brewers 2000- 2004

Pirates 2005-current, 1948-1951

White Sox 1957-1959, 1962-1967

Phillies 1960

Indians 1952-1956

Boston Braves 1946-1947

 

Not sute of your time frame, bit from sounds of it, Im guessing 2005-current

 

My first Indians days we were Expos affiliate 

 

Indianapolis Indians have a very rich history, some of the names to pass through are great.

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10 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Around here when I was a kid it was either the Cubs or Reds because Indy didn't have a team. I chose the Cubs.

Same for me, except cubs part. I loved Donny baseball. So Yankees fan it was 

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25 minutes ago, w87r said:

Same for me, except cubs part. I loved Donny baseball. So Yankees fan it was 

 A lot of people love the Yankees because of their history and they win a lot so I don't blame you. I like the Lakers but the Pacers are my #1 but the Lakers in the 80's gave me joy, I loved Magic and their winning, Winning is fun haha . I have always been a diehard Pacers fan though and Cubs, Colts fan.

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20 hours ago, Barry Sears said:

As most of you know, I'm a Cardinals fan.  But you don't know that at one time I was a Cubs fan.  This was in the early 1980's while I was in college and got cable TV.  Our TV provider had WGN and since I had morning classes, I could go home and watch Cubs games in the afternoon since Wrigley didn't get lights until 1988.

 

I really enjoyed those teams...Sandberg, Jodie Davis, Leon Durham, etc.  The best part was listening to Harry Caray call the games...he was one of a kind and made watching so much fun.

 

In April 1983, me and a couple of friends made a road trip from southern Kentucky (Bowling Green) to Chicago to attend a Cubs game.  It was my first trip to Wrigley.  We left late Saturday night and drove all night to arrive in Chicago Sunday morning for the game that afternoon against the Giants.

 

We got into the ballpark to watch batting practice and it was a cold and windy day...surprise, right?  Our tickets were in the lower level a few rows up from the third base dugout.  I look down and see Harry Caray on the field behind the batting cage talking to players and coaches.  He makes his way to the gate in the brick wall near the end of the dugout to walk up the steps through the lower level to get up to the press box.

 

So, my friends and I walk over and I hand my camera to a friend and I block the aisle so Harry will have to stop.  I ask if I can get a picture and autograph and he gladly obliged and threw his arm around my shoulder and I got the priceless photo with him.

 

I also followed the Cardinals since their AAA team was in Louisville, KY, near where I grew up and lived in southern Indiana.  I went to a lot of Redbirds games and saw many future Cardinals come up through Louisville on the way to St. Louis...Van Slyke, Coleman, MgGee, Zeile, the Benes brothers, Langford and many others. 

 

I eventually became a full-time Cardinals fan once Harry Caray retired and watching Cubs games just wasn't the same as it was with him doing the broadcasts.

 

Thought you all would enjoy this story.

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This is fantastic. Thank you for sharing. 

 

You must be around my age or maybe older. I don't believe I know Durham and Jodie Davis, but Van Slyke, McGee, Ziele, Benes, Coleman, etc are all guys I am very familiar with. The person who got me interested in baseball was a Cardinals fan. That was in the days of Ozzie Smith, Worrell, Daley, Jose DeLeon, Oquendo, Peña, Guerrero, McGee, etc. (Late 1980's)

 

You mentioned Lankford. He played with Bernard Gilkey. I met Gilkey when he was a Met. This was at Spring Training in Florida. Back then, it was a lot easier to engage with players. I met many Mets players from 1996 through 1999 at Spring Training. I also met players on teams that the Mets played in Spring Training like Cal Ripken and Brady Anderson. It was great. 

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12 hours ago, PuntersArePeopleToo said:

@2006Coltsbestever I became one just due to proximity and the fact the Peoria Chiefs, where I am still living, were the Cubs affiliate at the time I started watching baseball like 12 years ago. If not for that IDK who I would be. I am going to be living in STL though in a couple months time though

 

You have been a fan since you were a kid? I recall when you were posting here and you said you were in high school. I believe you were going to go to college. Did you finish? Time flies by. Enjoy your youth. 

 

I remember you're saying that you were from Indiana but would be moving (or had already moved) to Illinois. Now that you are moving to St. Louis, are you going to continue as a Cubs fan? 

 

All the best in your move.

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1 hour ago, w87r said:

Same for me, except cubs part. I loved Donny baseball. So Yankees fan it was 

 

There are some Yankees fans here but they don't post comments in this thread. You should become friendly with Coltsfansince65. He is a loyal Yankees fan. How did you become a Yankees fan? 

 

I became a Mets fan as a teen around the time that they won their last World Series. I have been a fan since. I recall my young nephew in October or November of 2000 telling me that I should become a Yankees fan because the Mets lost to the Yankees in the World Series. I replied, "No way. I'm a Mets fan!" I taught him a lesson in loyalty. :)

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11 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I believe the Cubs can beat any team in baseball right now. They haven't looked this great since 2016. The bullpen still has me concerned, no Chap anymore.

 

Chap has been gone. Lol.

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1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

 

There are some Yankees fans here but they don't post comments in this thread. You should give a shout out to Coltsfansince65. He is a loyal Yankees fan. How did you become a Yankees fan? 

 

I became a Mets fan as a teen around when they won their last World Series. I have been a fan since. I recall my young nephew in October or November of 2000 telling me that I should become a Yankees fan because the Mets lost to the Yankees in the World Series. I replied, "No way. I'm a Mets fan!" I thought him a lesson in loyalty. :)

You know Dwight Gooden is best pitcher ever in his prime, quit gloating haha . I am just joking with you but he was unreal and so was the 1986 Mets.

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16 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I believe the Cubs can beat any team in baseball right now. They haven't looked this great since 2016. The bullpen still has me concerned, no Chap anymore.

Funny thing is, as long as the bats are connecting and your starters are firing, you almost don't need someone of his caliber except for a game here or there. 

 

If this season continues, I think the Cubbies have a really good chance this year. I'd love to see them smack around the Yankees!

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You know Dwight Gooden is best pitcher ever in his prime, quit gloating haha . I am just joking with you but he was unreal and so was the 1986 Mets.

 

Besides Gooden, Strawberry, Carter, and Hernandez, the Mets did not have star players. Dykstra, Backman, McReynolds, Sid, Mookie, Knight, etc were all average to above average players. Bobby Ojeda actually won the most games and had the best ERA that year.

 

Loved Bobby O. I recall when he and two Indians teammates went on that boat trip. The two teammates died and he survived. I think one was called Tim Crews. I forgot the other. 

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2 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Funny thing is, as long as the bats are connecting and your starters are firing, you almost don't need someone of his caliber except for a game here or there. 

 

If this season continues, I think the Cubbies have a really good chance this year. I'd love to see them smack around the Yankees!

I think right now the Yankees are the only team I fear. Of course they have Chap lmao . That team is loaded though. Cubs are so strong mentally with players like Rizzo, MVP(KB), Baez, and the pitching is strong so far that I think we could take the Yankees out. 

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Besides Jacob deGrom, the 2020 Mets are awful. :scorebad:

 

I do like the new manager. He thinks outside the box and does not kowtow to players like Cespedes.

 

Time to get ready for work. Have a great day, folks. Hope all is going well with the school, @RollerColt. Stay safe.

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2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Besides Jacob deGrom, the 2020 Mets are awful. :scorebad:

 

I do like the new manager. He thinks outside the box and does not kowtow to players like Cespedes.

 

Time to get ready for work. Have a great day, folks. Hope all is going well with the school, @RollerColt. Stay safe.

You will always have me because I rank the 1986 Mets as the 2nd greatest team ever I have seen and the 2016 Cubs 3rd sad homer simpson GIF, 1998 Yankees are #1 YUCK haha 

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33 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

How did you become a Yankees fan? 

My uncle gave me a Don Mattingly plaque and since then.

 

Really had nothing to do with winning so much,  but they definitely do their share of it.

 

happy seann william scott GIF

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17 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Besides Jacob deGrom, the 2020 Mets are awful. :scorebad:

 

I do like the new manager. He thinks outside the box and does not kowtow to players like Cespedes.

 

Time to get ready for work. Have a great day, folks. Hope all is going well with the school, @RollerColt. Stay safe.

It's going! I've got my N95 on, the windows open and socially distanced from the kiddos. We're in orientation mode for this week. The real stuff starts next week! 

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My all-time rankings since I have been watching:

1. 1998 Yankees = Gold Medal

2. 1986 Mets = Silver Medal

3. 2016 Cubs = Bronze Medal

I know the Cards have more Titles than the Cubs but the 2016 Cubs could beat any of the Cards teams that won it all, I would be confident that the 2016 Cubs would smash the 2006 or 2011 Cards. 

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1 hour ago, NFLfan said:

 

This is fantastic. Thank you for sharing. 

 

You must be around my age or maybe older. I don't believe I know Durham and Jodie Davis, but Van Slyke, McGee, Ziele, Benes, Coleman, etc are all guys I am very familiar with. The person who got me interested in baseball was a Cardinals fan. That was in the days of Ozzie Smith, Worrell, Daley, Jose DeLeon, Oquendo, Peña, Guerrero, McGee, etc. (Late 1980's)

 

You mentioned Lankford. He played with Bernard Gilkey. I met Gilkey when he was a Met. This was at Spring Training in Florida. Back then, it was a lot easier to engage with players. I met many Mets players from 1996 through 1999 at Spring Training. I also met players on teams that the Mets played in Spring Training like Cal Ripken and Brady Anderson. It was great. 

 

I am 60.  Jodie Davis and Leon Durham played for the Cubs when I watched their games.

 

Yes, Bernard Gilkey also played in Louisville before going to St. Louis.  There were several others who came through Louisville on the way to St. Louis, but those I listed are some of the more familiar names.

 

Living near or in a minor league city that has a AAA team (Louisville, KY) is great because it's the last step before the majors.  Louisville became the Reds AAA affiliate several years ago and it made sense because Cincinnati is only about 100 up the interstate.  I've seen Joey Votto, Adam Dunn, Nick Senzel, Homer Bailey, Deion Sanders and many others come through Louisville before making it to the Reds roster.

 

I love minor league baseball, because you can always see a guy on the rise and later say you saw them before they became famous!

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8 hours ago, w87r said:

My uncle gave me a Don Mattingly plaque and since then.

 

Really had nothing to do with winning so much,  but they definitely do their share of it.

 

happy seann william scott GIF

My Dad Played withFootball with his older brother  

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14 hours ago, w87r said:

We(Indianapolis Indians) used to be AAA team of the:

Expos 1984-1992

Reds 1968-1983, 1993-1999 and a bunch of other years

Brewers 2000- 2004

Pirates 2005-current, 1948-1951

White Sox 1957-1959, 1962-1967

Phillies 1960

Indians 1952-1956

Boston Braves 1946-1947

 

Not sute of your time frame, bit from sounds of it, Im guessing 2005

 

You'd be correct, I think first Pro game I went to was in 2005 season I believe at like 7 years old. I then moved in 2007 and went to a lot of Peoria Chiefs games who were the Cubs Affiliate with my first MLB game being Cubs/Pirates at Wrigley in 2013

 

12 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

You have been a fan since you were a kid? I recall when you were posting here and you said you were in high school. I believe you were going to go to college. Did you finish? Time flies by. Enjoy your youth. 

 

I remember you're saying that you were from Indiana but would be moving (or had already moved) to Illinois. Now that you are moving to St. Louis, are you going to continue as a Cubs fan? 

 

All the best in your move.

 

Yep, the first season I started watching MLB was 2007 then more in 2008, and catching games for the next few years until like 2012/13 when I started watching as often as I could. I started posting in the forum probably my Jr. year of HS which is 14/15 then attended CC in 2016/17, then a 4-year from 17-20 in which I got both my Bachelors and this last May my Masters. 

 

Yep, I was born in IN, moved to IL at 9 (2007), then went to College in Missouri from 17-20. Now I will be moving to STL on Oct. 16 to start my Audit Career. I will always be a Cubs fan, unless something substantial happens that changes the view (not losing, but something morally wrong) I will end up going to as many Cubs/Cards game in STL as I can. 

 

Thank you

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    • Note-1:   I never care if any poster and I agree or disagree.   I care far more about the arguments you make to back up your point.      Note-2:   You post a lot.  Not complaining.  And when you post a smart, thoughtful post, as you often do,  I give it a like.  I only give a negative emoji (said or laughing) when I think it's called for.   I don't do it all the time with you.   Earlier this week,  you literally wrote that you try to give a player a half a season before making a judgement.   When I got done laughing,  my response was....   Oh, really?    Where was the half season for Okereke?    Where was the half season for Willis?   Where is the half season for Blackmon?    Where is the half season for Burton?    Where was the half season for Brissett?    I'm sure there are more,  but you get the point.    None of these guys got a game, much less a half-season.   Okereke:   You didn't like him on draft day.   Said he can't play the run.   Somehow in his first year,  Okereke was the highest graded rookie linebacker in the NFL.  Not in the AFC South.  Not in the whole AFC.   But in the entire National Football league.   Now this year, he's not playing the pass well.  And your're all over that.   So, how exactly did Okereke become the highest graded rookie linebacker in the NFL?   Because if a poster only read your posts about him,  one would think Okereke is terrible.  One would think Ballard blew the draft pick.  Your commentary is totally one sided.   Willis:   You didn't like him from the jump.   You criticized him after the Buffalo pre-seasonn game.   He played a lot his rookie year.  He's starting this year.   He may not be great,  but most think he's pretty good.   You think he's a situational safety in the box...  a hybrid linebacker I think you called him.   The front office and coaching staff think otherwise.   Blackmon:   Yet another you didn't like on a draft day.   You've been calling him a future STRONG safety from the beginning.   The GM,  the scouting staff,  the HC,  the DC and the position coach -- everyone -- has called him a free safety.   But up until this week,  you've been hinting that you're not yet convinced.   And when Blackmon started making plays,  you told other posters not to get too excited because he was doing it against bad offenses.   Then, he has yet another good game against Cincy and now you're starting to move your position.   Moving like a glacier.   Maybe he's a FS afterall.  So, now you're new argument is that the coaching staff made Hooker look bad by using him in the wrong defense and they're making Blackmon look good by putting him in the right defense.   So, you're now explaining why you've been wrong by blaming the coaching staff.   Burton:   Didn't like the signing at all.   In fact, while he was injured and before he played a single game you wrote about how you hoped the staff didn't use him too much.   So, he plays his first game,  scores two TD's, one rushing and one receiving, and back you jump to tell posters not to get too excited...   that sincy has a bad defense.     There always has to be an explanation why you're well stated positions seem wrong.   It can't just be that you're wrong.   Brissett:   When Jacoby Brissett started off 5-2 there you were telling everyone it was Fools Gold.   You think the rest of the season proves you were right.   Many of us think the fact that he was hurt in the Pittsburgh game which led to his falloff in play is the reason.  Either way, he didn't get a half season from you.   You were negative from the start and shaped your arguments accordingly.   Reich:   You and I are long on the record on our view on Reich.   And you don't deny that you're argument about the entire 2018 season came down to one game, the playoff game vs. Cincy.   And now it continues.   This week,  you went out of your way to say how much you like Reich (As a GUY!)   He passes the famous Beer Test.   Which brings us to this thread...  it's title is "10 burning questions about our WR group."   But one look at it and it's not hard to see it could also be titled  "10 more examples of how bad a play caller Frank Reich is.   Or,  Why does Frank Reich suck so much?"     Summary:   You have lots of interesting observations.   You think you're protected by the use of Next Gen Stats.   Frankly, I don't think you know how to use them -- at least,  not honestly.   So, my arguments are not that you do or don't like any given player.   It's how you present your argument.   How you present your case.   I'm rarely impressed.   When I am, you get a "like" from me.   Not that you care, and I don't expect you to.   I'm just saying I try to be fair with you.   I give credit when you earn it.   And I show my disapproval when I don't think you're being honest.   You give players a half year to show themselves?    Yeah,  that's not true, and I think I just showed it.  
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