Still no pass rush

[superrep1967]

I don't about you all but if we can't any pass rush. I don't know how we can beat anybody. Yeah we won yesterday over the Bears and Hoyer wasn't touched. But if we make it to the playoffs and have to play Pittsburgh or New England we will be slaughtered without a pass rush. I don't know what can be done but were not going anywhere without a pass rush. Thoughts???

[Malakai432]

28 minutes ago, superrep1967 said:

I don't about you all but if we can't any pass rush. I don't know how we can beat anybody. Yeah we won yesterday over the Bears and Hoyer wasn't touched. But if we make it to the playoffs and have to play Pittsburgh or New England we will be slaughtered without a pass rush. I don't know what can be done but were not going anywhere without a pass rush. Thoughts???

 

Yeah even next week if we don't get any pass rush or any semblance of semi consistent pressure against Brock it will be a long game.

[Jim H.]

Playoffs?  eh eh, Playoffs?  Are you kidding me?  (Channeling my inner Mora)  :^)

[jskinnz]

35 minutes ago, superrep1967 said:

I don't about you all but if we can't any pass rush. I don't know how we can beat anybody. Yeah we won yesterday over the Bears and Hoyer wasn't touched. But if we make it to the playoffs and have to play Pittsburgh or New England we will be slaughtered without a pass rush. I don't know what can be done but were not going anywhere without a pass rush. Thoughts???

 

1) Grammar can be your friend.  You should try it.

 

2) This take is not very fresh.

 

3) If you are surprised with the inability to rush the passer, then you have not been paying attention.

 

4) You asked for thoughts.  This will be an issue that really can't be and won't be addressed until the off season.

[2006Coltsbestever]

It's clearly the teams weakest area and in the next Draft Grigs needs to Draft at least 2 Pass Rushers and hope at least 1 pans out. I also hope we Draft a RB maybe in Round 3 or 4 that has speed. Eventhough he is 35 I am really surprised Robert Mathis hasn't been a factor at all this season. He had 8 sacks last season. He looks done but yeah we are going to struggle if we cant start putting more pressure on the QB. Guys like even Hoyer can burn us when he has all day to throw. I am not sure why we don't blitz more? With a lack of Pass Rush I think we should, we are just sitting back and letting QB's dink and dunk us all day. It was a broken record with Hoyer yesterday where he had 3 or 4 seconds to throw and then he would just dump it off for 5-7 yard gain.

[superrep1967]

9 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It's clearly the teams weakest area and in the next Draft Grigs needs to Draft at least 2 Pass Rushers and hope at least 1 pans out. I also hope we Draft a RB maybe in Round 3 or 4 that has speed. Eventhough he is 35 I am really surprised Robert Mathis hasn't been a factor at all this season. He had 8 sacks last season. He looks done but yeah we are going to struggle if we cant start putting more pressure on the QB. Guys like even Hoyer can burn us when he has all day to throw. I am not sure why we don't blitz more? With a lack of Pass Rush I think we should, we are just sitting back and letting QB's dink and dunk us all day. It was a broken record with Hoyer yesterday where he had 3 or 4 seconds to throw and then he would just dump it off for 5-7 yard gain.

A very intelligent take unlike the guy above Jskinnz or something

[Chucklez]

16 minutes ago, jskinnz said:

 

1) Grammar can be your friend.  You should try it.

 

2) This take is not very fresh.

 

3) If you are surprised with the inability to rush the passer, then you have not been paying attention.

 

4) You asked for thoughts.  This will be an issue that really can't be and won't be addressed until the off season.

All true,

 

The only way it is addressed during the season is if Monachino can pull some Grade A different schemes out of his wazoo for every single opponent.

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, Chucklez said:

All true,

 

The only way it is addressed during the season is if Monachino can pull some Grade A different schemes out of his wazoo for every single opponent.

We need to blitz more, JMO.

[GoDeep]

I think this is why our entire D looks like trash.  Any QB will find an open receiver with 3-5 seconds.  We must go pass rush heavy in the 2017 draft.

[JColts72]

I think I saw one a few years ago with Dwight and pre-juice Mathis.

[coltsfanatic24]

The lack of pass rush is a major concern but trading for another good CB will help it out and lead to coverage sacks. 

[jskinnz]

12 minutes ago, Chucklez said:

All true,

 

The only way it is addressed during the season is if Monachino can pull some Grade A different schemes out of his wazoo for every single opponent.

 

And to this point I have precious little faith that what you suggest can be done.  There are personnel limitations for sure but I have yet to be impressed with his schemes.  He is new to his role and I am sure he can & will get better.  Just have my doubts they get to "good enough" this year.

[jskinnz]

6 minutes ago, coltsfanatic24 said:

The lack of pass rush is a major concern but trading for another good CB will help it out and lead to coverage sacks. 

 

I think the notion that they give a draft pick is just not reality at this point.  

[coltsfanatic24]

3 minutes ago, jskinnz said:

 

I think the notion that they give a draft pick is just not reality at this point.  

I think it's very possible that they trade for a CB. That's how bad the secondary is. The offense is elite and the division is winnable. Not a 1st but a 2nd for Joe Haden seems to be a Grigson like move. 

[Restored]

4 minutes ago, coltsfanatic24 said:

I think it's very possible that they trade for a CB. That's how bad the secondary is. The offense is elite and the division is winnable. Not a 1st but a 2nd for Joe Haden seems to be a Grigson like move. 

 

Secondary didn't look too bad yesterday other than for Robinson who couldn't cover anything.

[Gyworks]

Monachino is a nice guy, he always is in his pressers telling us that the sacks will come in bunches. But over 5 games there's just nothing there. It's so frustrating to watch our "rushers" to bounce back from average olines like from a wall.

[lollygagger8]

Our pass rush is a joke. Way to keep the cupboard stocked there Grigson. 

 

 

That said, that show you how good Vontae is. Hoyer barely threw his way all day. 

[GoColts8818]

This was going to be a problem from the moment they elected to take Kelly in round one in the draft and not the pass rusher.  Still I think the Colts made the right choice because they desperately needed center.  Also the pass rusher has been hurt most of the year.  

 

This goes back to the fact the Colts just had too many holes to fill in one off-season.  

[GoColts8818]

54 minutes ago, coltsfanatic24 said:

The lack of pass rush is a major concern but trading for another good CB will help it out and lead to coverage sacks. 

You have to find a team willing to give one up first.

 

The Colts gambled a little on Davis because he had under performed a little in Miami and benefitted from a fresh start here.  

 

Normally if you have a really good corner you aren't willing to trade him unless he's some kind of problem in the lockerroom, then if you do trade you are looking at giving up at least a 2nd round pick if not higher.  

[GoColts8818]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We need to blitz more, JMO.

The bigger problem is when they do blitz no one wins and they all get picked up.  Now and then you will someone like Walden get home but for the most part the blitz has been ineffective this year because no one is getting to the QB.

[superrep1967]

Just now, GoColts8818 said:

The bigger problem is when they do blitz no one wins and they all get picked up.  Now and then you will someone like Walden get home but for the most part the blitz has been ineffective this year because no one is getting to the QB.

Yeah the blitz isn't working were getting burned on it every time. 

[UKColt13]

49 minutes ago, coltsfanatic24 said:

I think it's very possible that they trade for a CB. That's how bad the secondary is. The offense is elite and the division is winnable. Not a 1st but a 2nd for Joe Haden seems to be a Grigson like move. 

 

Joe Haden for only a 2? Even the Browns are smarter than that right?

[Chucklez]

Just now, UKColt13 said:

 

Joe Haden for only a 2? Even the Browns are smarter than that right?

They took a 1st from us for Richardson... so.... yeah....

[UKColt13]

Just now, Chucklez said:

They took a 1st from us for Richardson... so.... yeah....

 

Smart move on their part. We were the *s in that scenario

[Chucklez]

Just now, UKColt13 said:

 

Smart move on their part. We were the *s in that scenario

I know, I was supporting your original claim that they are smarter than that.

[BProland85]

1 hour ago, coltsfanatic24 said:

I think it's very possible that they trade for a CB. That's how bad the secondary is. The offense is elite and the division is winnable. Not a 1st but a 2nd for Joe Haden seems to be a Grigson like move. 

 

That actually might not be that bad of an idea. Although I'd rather they give up Dorsett straight up for Haden since they are rebuilding anyways and need a young WR who has plenty of talent and Indy doesn't seem to be using him enough anyhow.

[krunk]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It's clearly the teams weakest area and in the next Draft Grigs needs to Draft at least 2 Pass Rushers and hope at least 1 pans out. I also hope we Draft a RB maybe in Round 3 or 4 that has speed. Eventhough he is 35 I am really surprised Robert Mathis hasn't been a factor at all this season. He had 8 sacks last season. He looks done but yeah we are going to struggle if we cant start putting more pressure on the QB. Guys like even Hoyer can burn us when he has all day to throw. I am not sure why we don't blitz more? With a lack of Pass Rush I think we should, we are just sitting back and letting QB's dink and dunk us all day. It was a broken record with Hoyer yesterday where he had 3 or 4 seconds to throw and then he would just dump it off for 5-7 yard gain.

Hard to blitz when you don't have the coverage behind it to accomplish much.  When you have Morrison and DQ on the field at the same time there's absolutely no speed on the field in the middle.  Morrison speed is even a liability when you send him on the blitz.  We blitzed him once and he had a straight line to the QB and wasn't fast enough to break the play up or get the sack.   Robinson is spotty on the outside, Butler is Butler, TJ Green has speed, but he's still coming along coverage wise.  Geathers is okay and Vontae we know will do his thing.   Easy for an offense to beat our blitz when you consider that. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, krunk said:

Hard to blitz when you don't have the coverage behind it to accomplish much.  When you have Morrison and DQ on the field at the same time there's absolutely no speed on the field in the middle.  Morrison speed is even a liability when you send him on the blitz.  We blitzed him once and he had a straight line to the QB and wasn't fast enough to break the play up or get the sack.   Robinson is spotty on the outside, Butler is Butler, TJ Green has speed, but he's still coming along coverage wise.  Geathers is okay and Vontae we know will do his thing.   Easy for an offense to beat our blitz when you consider that. 

I would shake things up and blitz Green in spots because of his 4.3 speed. I know what you are saying though because our secondary is suspect.

[jskinnz]

1 hour ago, coltsfanatic24 said:

I think it's very possible that they trade for a CB. That's how bad the secondary is. The offense is elite and the division is winnable. Not a 1st but a 2nd for Joe Haden seems to be a Grigson like move. 

 

I have no idea of his salary and what the ramifications are of adding his contract but I would have to believe it is cost-prohibitive.  And that is to say nothing of the cost of giving up a draft pick.  Plus the issue to me is simply pass-rush related.  I understand completely how coverage and the pass rush are linked but to me the QB having a clean pocket is an infinitely more glaring weakness.

 

[krunk]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I would should things up and blitz Green in spots because of his 4.3 speed. I know what you are saying though because our secondary is suspect.

That's the thing.  It's not just the secondary, it's the linebackers too. It's a bad thing when you have bad coverage in the secondary and bad coverage from the linebacking corps to go along with that.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, krunk said:

That's the thing.  It's not just the secondary, it's the linebackers too. It's a bad thing when you have bad coverage in the secondary and bad coverage from the linebacking corps to go along with that.

should = shake LOL but I know you read my correction. Yeah our Defense has a lot of holes.

[Catloaf]

Radical (mostly joking) idea:

 

Don't even have a defensive line, put 11 safeties/cornerbacks/linebackers out there to cover everyone.  That should cut down on the completions.  Our D-line doesn't get pressure anyway so might as well not even have one!

[Jim H.]

On ‎10‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 7:12 AM, jskinnz said:

 

1) Grammar can be your friend.  You should try it.

 

2) This take is not very fresh.

 

3) If you are surprised with the inability to rush the passer, then you have not been paying attention.

 

4) You asked for thoughts.  This will be an issue that really can't be and won't be addressed until the off season.

ouch

[Steamboat_Shaun]

On 10/10/2016 at 5:13 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It's clearly the teams weakest area and in the next Draft Grigs needs to Draft at least 2 Pass Rushers and hope at least 1 pans out. I also hope we Draft a RB maybe in Round 3 or 4 that has speed. Even though he is 35 I am really surprised Robert Mathis hasn't been a factor at all this season. He had 8 sacks last season. He looks done but yeah we are going to struggle if we cant start putting more pressure on the QB. Guys like even Hoyer can burn us when he has all day to throw. I am not sure why we don't blitz more? With a lack of Pass Rush I think we should, we are just sitting back and letting QB's dink and dunk us all day. It was a broken record with Hoyer yesterday where he had 3 or 4 seconds to throw and then he would just dump it off for 5-7 yard gain.

 

To the bolded sections:

 

1) I say draft 4 LBs who can rush the passer. We currently have zero, so 1 or 2 rookies won't really help. I hope we just go all in, kind of like this past draft where we drafted 4 o-linemen.

 

2) Mathis is washed, and probably shouldn't even be on the field. Teams can easily block him 1-on-1 at this point of his career, so having him in the lineup as the lone "pass rush specialist" is completely self defeating.

 

3) Monachino promised more "creativity" in the form of blitzes and coverage packages once the secondary was fully healthy. As it turns out, he's really not that creative. On a scale of 1-10, he's at 1.

 

4) Get used to it, it's not changing this season, just gonna have to outscore people to win games.

[BullsColtsFan1]

On 10/10/2016 at 6:13 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It's clearly the teams weakest area and in the next Draft Grigs needs to Draft at least 2 Pass Rushers and hope at least 1 pans out. I also hope we Draft a RB maybe in Round 3 or 4 that has speed. Eventhough he is 35 I am really surprised Robert Mathis hasn't been a factor at all this season. He had 8 sacks last season. He looks done but yeah we are going to struggle if we cant start putting more pressure on the QB. Guys like even Hoyer can burn us when he has all day to throw. I am not sure why we don't blitz more? With a lack of Pass Rush I think we should, we are just sitting back and letting QB's dink and dunk us all day. It was a broken record with Hoyer yesterday where he had 3 or 4 seconds to throw and then he would just dump it off for 5-7 yard gain.

I agree with everything you said especially the sentence in bold.  If our corners can defend one on one the team should blitz more.  I am not worried about Vontae but all of the other corners would concern me.  I still think they need to rush the passer some way.  It's just not happening.

[Gavin]

Its not coming this year folks.

[OffensivelyPC]

On 10/10/2016 at 8:12 AM, Gyworks said:

Monachino is a nice guy, he always is in his pressers telling us that the sacks will come in bunches. But over 5 games there's just nothing there. It's so frustrating to watch our "rushers" to bounce back from average olines like from a wall.

Short of putting Manachino out there to help get a sack, you arent going to generate much pass rush with these players, no matter how foolproof your scheme is.  Your asking a boat to break landspeed records.

[OffensivelyPC]

58 minutes ago, Gavin said:

Its not coming this year folks.

Im actually amazed it needed its own thread. Its being discussed ad nauseum everywhere on here.

[Coltsfan520]

Real Housewives fan here, how about Kroy Biermann? Is he finished or does he have some sacks left in him? Supposed to be good at stopping the run and good on special teams.  After finished at Atlanta, he was signed this year by Buffalo but cut. We need some pass rush help but is his NFL career done?  Saw this article, he could be signed for little money probably.

 

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/8/16/12502722/kroy-biermann-scouting-report

 

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