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What was the biggest mistake the Colts have made since Luck arrived ?


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Are you people serious when you say this? The amount of cognitive dissonance it takes to belive that Bruce Arians would steal a job from his cancer-stricken freind is unbelievable. 

 

Irsay: "Hey Bruce, we're going to fire your buddy who literally has cancer and give you his job, even though you're coming of a season where you won coach of the year and can basically have any open head coaching position that you want."

 

Bruce: "Wow Jim, I really appreciate that. There's nothing of would live more than to stab my buddy with cancer right in the back!"

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10 minutes ago, digroute88 said:

Grigson probably would be the #1 mistake but some might say letting Arians go would be  . T;hey should have kept him as their head coach . The fans would probably gone beserk because of the overwhelming sympathy for Chuck due to his illness .

 

IMO, trading a first round for Trent Richardson.  Not only did we lose our first round pick, we had a void at RB that we had hoped that Richardson would fill.  

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"keeping chuck pagano" I understand allowing a guy to grow but when you see how aggressive/proactive the Broncos/Elway has been, its gut wrenching ...

 

We HAD so much room for error w Lucks rookie contract, the Broncos built a stout team w Manning's contract and all we have is a team withering at the helm of Chucks idioms ...

 

The only reason I give Pagano the axe over Grigson is because he has shown the willingness to go for it, but w him being new his attempts are hit and miss

 

from a coaching aspect Pagano has shown nothing that suggest he can compete w even low tier coaches. He lacks innovation, he's rarely prepared and can't adapt. There's a reason we get curb stomped against Hoodie. They used the same game plan ~ 3/4years straight. 

 

Andrew will be 30 en 3 years ...

(let that sink en)

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IMO it was probably the entire 2013 off season. They signed a bunch of vets, most of who have shown nothing, or are either gone. Plus they got nothing in the draft. The only guy who really worked out from that off season is probably Walden.

 

If we talking just ONE move, than yeah probably selecting Werner over Rhodes, considering the talent and need matched up there. Then again, kinda hard to predict how draft picks would go.

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Not addressing either line sufficiently.  The game is in the trenches still.  And the Colts trenches stink. 

 

I was leaning Richardson, but, to have the beanbags required to pull the trigger on that, sincerely thinking it was just a surroundings issue for Trent, and it would be different in Indy (fewer all-you-can-eat buffets?) was brave. Or insane.  Either way, I actually give some points for that.  To act like a baseball GM in football was, I don't know, interesting.  Huge gamble, huge failure.  But had it been huge gamble, huge win... 

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1 hour ago, MFT5 said:

 "keeping chuck pagano" I understand allowing a guy to grow but when you see how aggressive/proactive the Broncos/Elway has been, its gut wrenching ...

 

We HAD so much room for error w Lucks rookie contract, the Broncos built a stout team w Manning's contract and all we have is a team withering at the helm of Chucks idioms ...

 

The only reason I give Pagano the axe over Grigson is because he has shown the willingness to go for it, but w him being new his attempts are hit and miss

 

from a coaching aspect Pagano has shown nothing that suggest he can compete w even low tier coaches. He lacks innovation, he's rarely prepared and can't adapt. There's a reason we get curb stomped against Hoodie. They used the same game plan ~ 3/4years straight. 

 

Andrew will be 30 en 3 years ...

(let that sink en)

wasted seasons

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3 hours ago, Dustin said:

To answer the OP, when the Colts selected Bjoern Warner over Xavier Rhodes. That was one the fans actually ended up being right about. 

 

agree completely, i also personally would have drafted kendricks in the frst rd in 2015 over dorsett

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First off, OP is Arians any better than Pagano.  You cannot even compare the Arizona roster to our roster.

 

But to answer your question the problem is Grigson drafted Luck weapons instead of building him a solid defense.  The team had an old defense when Grigson took over and he didn't infuse it early on with young talent.  Instead he opted to get aged veterans.  He got a few starters but 3 years later those guys are old.

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Wasting most draft picks to build this team under #12's rookie contract.

 

Now they will lead this team until 2019  For the love of Mike!

 

Luck will be in his 9th season when they leave and we will most likely look back and say we wasted a huge opportunity for a title if he has a GM that knew how to evaluate talent 

 

Irsay hired rookie a HC and GM for Luck's career.  :wall:

 

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Oh boy, there's a lot of them. While the Trent Richardson trade and the Bjoern Werner pick were each bad, they were individual errors that didn't destroy the team by themselves. The problem has and always has been Pagano. We had a chance to hire Bruce Arians and get rid of him, and we didn't do it. Pagano was solid at first coaching this team because it was filled with veteran guys and a young Luck with decent knowledge and talent of the game before he ever played. As we started drafted new players (a good portion of UDFA's that needed lots of coaching up), and the FA busts went down and out, Pagano was unable to coach all these new draftees and turn them into solid players. Now, hardly any of them are stars, and Pagano hasn't had much of an impact on anyone besides Vontae Davis. He is severely outcoached in most games and we are seemingly always starting slow in games. The problem is evident, and we are stuck with him for possibly 4 more years. Let that sink in.

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12 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Oh boy, there's a lot of them. While the Trent Richardson trade and the Bjoern Werner pick were each bad, they were individual errors that didn't destroy the team by themselves. The problem has and always has been Pagano. We had a chance to hire Bruce Arians and get rid of him, and we didn't do it. Pagano was solid at first coaching this team because it was filled with veteran guys and a young Luck with decent knowledge and talent of the game before he ever played. As we started drafted new players (a good portion of UDFA's that needed lots of coaching up), and the FA busts went down and out, Pagano was unable to coach all these new draftees and turn them into solid players. Now, hardly any of them are stars, and Pagano hasn't had much of an impact on anyone besides Vontae Davis. He is severely outcoached in most games and we are seemingly always starting slow in games. The problem is evident, and we are stuck with him for possibly 4 more years. Let that sink in.

 

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10 hours ago, digroute88 said:

Grigson probably would be the #1 mistake but some might say letting Arians go would be  . T;hey should have kept him as their head coach . The fans would probably gone beserk because of the overwhelming sympathy for Chuck due to his illness .

 

IMO the biggest mistake is that FO haSn't built a good (or at least serviceable) O-line around Luck. Luck being hit or sacked on regular basis is not because Arians was let go.

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12 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

Drafting Werner or trading for Trent.

Here's where I forgive Ryan Grigson & grant him some wiggle room on Bjorn: He was a dominant DE presence for the FSU Seminoles. 

 

http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32900&ATCLID=209588452

 

It's not Grigs fault Werner failed to live up to expectations on the next level. His college accolades were bright. It was Bjorn's responsibility to prove he belonged at an elite level & remain there. All Ryan can do is gamble that Werner can continue to tackle & sack QBs well in the league. Admittedly, this leap of failed but the prospect had earned the right to be drafted by us at 24 in 2013 based of his FSU disrupting presence. 

 

A player must assume some responsibility for their own NFL shortcomings or diminished potential right? All a GM can do is make an educated guess on their learning curve at the pinnacle of professional football. 

 

I also like the Germany connection at the time on a multi-cultural, international platform. A perfect duo in concert with Luck as the NFL shield tries to expand it's brand outside the US as well. Don't forget that either. 

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Remember, Pagano's 1st Colts press conference where he said "Let's hunt?" 

 

Maybe he got enamored with cartoons instead...Elmer Fudd is a likable guy you know & mastering the game of football can become very stressful at times...The continued emphasis on winning season after season.

 

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