Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Giants Vs Patriots Official Thread! (All Discussion About Sb 46 Here!)

IcEWoLF

By IcEWoLF,
in NFL General

 Share Followers 0

Recommended Posts

Fx Stryker

Fx Stryker 10

Posted
Posted

Not so much, but you did make a strong statement and I can only imagine you didn't think it through completely. ;)

(Meaning, the '04 Colts were similarly an offensive powerhouse that put up 3 points on the Patriots in the playoffs.)

Yet that is a "choke" on Manning's part somehow, but you try and say the same for Brady in '07 you get chewed out.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 101
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

GoPats

GoPats 133

Posted
Posted

Yet that is a "choke" on Manning's part somehow, but you try and say the same for Brady in '07 you get chewed out.

I'm not a Manning basher. I understand it takes a team effort. QBs get too much credit when their teams win and too much blame when their teams lose. Nature of the position.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Fx Stryker

Fx Stryker 10

Posted
Posted

I'm not a Manning basher. I understand it takes a team effort. QBs get too much credit when their teams win and too much blame when their teams lose. Nature of the position.

Didn't mean to imply you were. I'm just saying most do. Just the nature like you said.

Link to post
Share on other sites
trsean

trsean 0

Posted
Posted

Looking back at the "Asante dropped the winning INT", I have to disagree. I saw the entire drive on NFL Network. The ball bounced off the tippy top of his fingers. The ball didn't go right through his hands. Asante would've needed an extra inch or two of height to have a legit shot at coming down with that ball IMO.

Aside from the Tyree miracle, there was also the 9 yard catch to Toomer on 3rd and 10 to set up a convertible 4th and 1 for the Giants earlier in the drive. Another overlooked defensive miscue was that 3rd and 11 play deep in Pats territory. Eli hit a wide open Steve Smith for a 12 yard gain. He was literally uncovered. This play setup the Plax TD.

This!

There's many Pat miscues on that drive that could have won the game, but the Asante INT has become this mythical crap thing. To hear some people talk about it, you'd think it bounced off it his numbers, but I think that's just cognitive dissonance at work. Tyree ran a wrong route, Asante was covering him, not expecting a lofted throw, he reacted, jumped, the ball bounced off his fingertips, with an unlucky chance of him coming down in bounds.

The play Pat fans should really focus on is a 4th and 1 I have a hard time rewatching even today because Im not sure Jacobs really got it.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Dustin

Dustin 89

Posted
Posted

This!

There's many Pat miscues on that drive that could have won the game, but the Asante INT has become this mythical crap thing. To hear some people talk about it, you'd think it bounced off it his numbers, but I think that's just cognitive dissonance at work. Tyree ran a wrong route, Asante was covering him, not expecting a lofted throw, he reacted, jumped, the ball bounced off his fingertips, with an unlucky chance of him coming down in bounds.

The play Pat fans should really focus on is a 4th and 1 I have a hard time rewatching even today because Im not sure Jacobs really got it.

He got it.
Link to post
Share on other sites
GoPats

GoPats 133

Posted
Posted

This!

There's many Pat miscues on that drive that could have won the game, but the Asante INT has become this mythical crap thing. To hear some people talk about it, you'd think it bounced off it his numbers, but I think that's just cognitive dissonance at work. Tyree ran a wrong route, Asante was covering him, not expecting a lofted throw, he reacted, jumped, the ball bounced off his fingertips, with an unlucky chance of him coming down in bounds.

The play Pat fans should really focus on is a 4th and 1 I have a hard time rewatching even today because Im not sure Jacobs really got it.

There were probably a half dozen plays on that drive where the Patriots were a half step away from making a game-ending play. The obvious ones... the Tyree catch, Samuels not holding on to a possible INT... but there were others too.

Not to mention, Moss came reaaaallll close to grabbing one of those desperation bombs after Burress' TD catch. Brady chucked it about 75 yards downfield and Moss had a half step. Just didn't get his arms up to fight for it in time, and one of the Giants' defenders made a nice break-up.

Link to post
Share on other sites
buffalo34

buffalo34 203

Posted
Posted

I try to get an update on the weather here and suddenly remember why I've been avoiding the news for the past month - do they really need to spend the first 5 to 10 minutes of the news covering Patriots and nothing but? I don't care of seeing the news putting up a picture of a Patriots fan showing his team spirit by wearing a Patriots T-shirt and having his dog next to him wear Patriots doggie clothes. Ugh. Also, I don't see why what is a weekly routine in the NFL like "Brady, Patriots preparing for Giants" has to be blown up. Yes media, teams, including the Patriots and their opponents, do something called "gameplanning" every week.

Link to post
Share on other sites
bap1331

bap1331 11

Posted
Posted

I envision that there will be numerous bad calls in the game and the NFL will hand Kraft, the Pats and Brady another SB win.

couldnt say it any better. It always looks like the refs favor the Pats and Saints more then any team in the league.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Coltssouth

Coltssouth 19

Posted
Posted

Belichick is on NFL channel live right now.

Question:

Are you guys expecting some real Hoosier hospitality this week?

Answer:

Well as far as hospitality . . . I never had too much hospitality here until I went for it on fourth and two and since then I've been greeted in a lot more friendly manner than I was in the past.

:haha: funny

Link to post
Share on other sites
Dustin

Dustin 89

Posted
Posted

If that clip is about the Tuck Rule, please explain to me why:

1. Every expert in the rules has said that it was interpreted accurately, and

2. Why the NFL Competition Commiittee voted that iffseason to KEEP the rule.

(null)

Because it was the Patriots. That's my point.

Removing the rule would admit that it was a mistake.

How many other times have you seen that rule enforced in a game? Let alone a playoff game.

Link to post
Share on other sites
-JJ-

-JJ- 60

Posted
Posted

Because it was the Patriots. That's my point.

Removing the rule would admit that it was a mistake.

How many other times have you seen that rule enforced in a game? Let alone a playoff game.

oo you put your foot in your mouth here. Its been called avergage 14 times a year. It was called AGAINST the Pats that same year earlier in the season vs Texans. It was called against the Pats again prior and after.

Its been called many times. You just never heard of it because the games weren't important enough and it goes in the box score as an incomplete pass.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Dustin

Dustin 89

Posted
Posted

oo you put your foot in your mouth here. Its been called avergage 14 times a year. It was called AGAINST the Pats that same year earlier in the season vs Texans. It was called against the Pats again prior and after.

Its been called many times. You just never heard of it because the games weren't important enough and it goes in the box score as an incomplete pass.

I've never heard it called other than that, but i'll take your word for it.

But that still doesn't change the fact that he pulled the ball in, went back to his stance, and touched the ball with his other hand.

Link to post
Share on other sites
GoPats

GoPats 133

Posted
Posted

I've never heard it called other than that, but i'll take your word for it.

But that still doesn't change the fact that he pulled the ball in, went back to his stance, and touched the ball with his other hand.

Watch some football. Then talk about football. The "tuck rule" is still on the books and is still called on a fairly regular basis in the NFL.

Doesn't bother me when people gather facts and then form an opinion. But you can't skip step one and move straight to step two and still have any sort of integrity at all.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Dustin

Dustin 89

Posted
Posted

Watch some football. Then talk about football. The "tuck rule" is still on the books and is still called on a fairly regular basis in the NFL.

Doesn't bother me when people gather facts and then form an opinion. But you can't skip step one and move straight to step two and still have any sort of integrity at all.

Did my facts not fit your criteria?
Link to post
Share on other sites
-JJ-

-JJ- 60

Posted
Posted

I've never heard it called other than that, but i'll take your word for it.

But that still doesn't change the fact that he pulled the ball in, went back to his stance, and touched the ball with his other hand.

yeah it was called against Brady the following year too (we still won the game). Most never heard of it because until a big play in a playoff game but its always been there and called,.

If you judge by intent, which refs aren't allowed too, yeah Brady wasnt trying to tuck, but by the letter of the rule it was a tuck and is why it was called like it had so many times before.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Dustin

Dustin 89

Posted
Posted

yeah it was called against Brady the following year too (we still won the game). Most never heard of it because until a big play in a playoff game but its always been there and called,.

If you judge by intent, which refs aren't allowed too, yeah Brady wasnt trying to tuck, but by the letter of the rule it was a tuck and is why it was called like it had so many times before.

I think the fact that they even contemplated removing the rule is enough to warrant an admission of a bad call.

But the past can't be changed. It is what it is.

Link to post
Share on other sites
ViriLudant

ViriLudant 4

Posted
Posted

Because it was the Patriots. That's my point.

Removing the rule would admit that it was a mistake.

How many other times have you seen that rule enforced in a game? Let alone a playoff game.

You mean besides the fact that it was called AGAINST the Patriots in the very same season?

:neener:

Thanks for playing.

Link to post
Share on other sites
GoPats

GoPats 133

Posted
Posted

Did my facts not fit your criteria?

What "facts" are you talking about?

The fact that you were apparently unaware that it's called several times a season? I remember, during the review of that play in the Pats-Raiders playoff game, the same call being made in a Pats-Jets game earlier that season. Vinny Testaverde appeared to fumble the ball but it was overruled.

My apologies if my response seemed harsh but the NFL Rulebook applies to all 32 teams.

Argue against the rule if you want, I might even be inclined to agree with you... but not against the application of the rule in one particular game.

Link to post
Share on other sites
-JJ-

-JJ- 60

Posted
Posted

I think the fact that they even contemplated removing the rule is enough to warrant an admission of a bad call.

But the past can't be changed. It is what it is.

Yeah they always look at a rule on a game changer but it was a pretty quick comptemplation by the committee:)

The reason they have the rule is the game has enough fumbles and eliminating the tuck would add roughly 14 more fumbles a year and they want to keep the game with as much skill as possible. Also a QB in the motion of throwing or tucking is much more vunerable to a fumble than a RB holding on to the ball with both hands.

They could eliminate the tuck, eliminate the ground causing fumbles and we'd end up with fumblitis football:)

There were many times this season the tuck was reviewed and called a fumble as much as the tuck was called.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Followers 0
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • funktacious2
      Funk's 2021 Mock 4.0 (Final) ...probably

      By funktacious2 · Posted

      *Colts re-sign Justin Houston- This may be after the draft but as of now I think he is the best chance to help our pass rush not take a step back unless we want to try Ingram or Clowney.   **I still have hope Ertz could end up available but if not oh well.   Here we go... yep. No trades.   1. Sam Cosmi- LT- The time to replace AC is now. This may not technically be the best valued player available but he's not far off. If we wait until 54 I think there will have been a run on the best remaining OTs. Take a quality athletic LT at 21 and keep the o-line in great shape. Next year we are likely without a 1st, there may not be a better time. We could trade back but that's hard to predict. We would need a great deal to pass on our pick of the litter imo.    2.  Ifeatu Melifonwu- CB- Great fit. Tall, athletic, excels in zone. Not quite as big a need as DE but not far behind. Rhodes only has one year for now and I, like others, would like to see an upgrade over RYS.   4. Elerson Smith- DE- With the need at LT and the lack of value in round two we opt to dig for athletic upside for our pass rush addition. We come up with Smith. He's a bit of a forum favorite and I get why. We can't confidently fix every issue this year imo, but if you can't, at least find some upside.   5. Dazz Newsome‐ WR- We may very well pass up a lot of good value at WR this draft but the good news is some solid prospects are likely to fall into the later rounds. An explosive prospect who can compete with Campbell to replace Hilton as our little guy speedster. Lol   6. Quentin Morris- TE- One of my favorite late round prospects. With this being an average to below average TE class after Pitts, Morris offers some upside to provide us with a move TE down the line.   7. Franklin McCain III- CB- Borrowing again from a pool of forum recommendations. You can't realistically expect late round guys to all be hits but I'm down for investing those final picks in depth we can groom.   Final notes:   - Cosmi and Melifonwu are my favorite no trade 1-2 realistic punch. Value and need matches pretty nicely imo.   -I've seen Newsome graded as a 2nd rounder but most have him at rounds 4-5. He also ran a 4.38 so I might be a bit optimistic about his availability   -I could always do another mock but I don't see my view changing much from now until the 29th.
    • NewColtsFan
      Final Free Agency Thread (Top Remaining Options)

      By NewColtsFan · Posted

      It’s the University of Michigan for goodness sake!    It would be a bigger deal if Dodds wasn’t there!   
    • JoeThornburg
      Big Ben's Replacement?

      By JoeThornburg · Posted

      I'd like to hear the board's thoughts on this topic from more of an outside perspective. From my experience Steelers fans fall into two camps (generally speaking); totally irrational and loyal to the death, highly critical of anything to do with Pittsburgh Football unless it results in a championship (and not always in a rational manner).     Now for my thinking, this issue should have been addressed much sooner, but if nothing else after the disaster that was the 2019 season. You have an aging QB who just blew his elbow out and were starting "junior varsity" replacements. You have been bleeding free agents all off season in 2020 and have lost or watched the decline of key players at LT, C, LB, RB, S, CB and just resigned a WR free agent. Plus, you also need a LG. These stooges are actually suggesting using a 2nd round pick on a QB from college when the decision to do nothing about the QB position has caused half the team to get sent packing because you have next to nothing to spend in free agency.   This is after these same people lauded the Dwayne Haskins singing as a "steal". Pittsburgh literally got him for nothing this year after WFT ate all the "bad" in his contract, a 15th overall pick coming into his 3rd year in the NFL who drastically needed a change of scenery.   I'm convinced that if it was up to Tomlin he would have already moved on. We all know he's a master at coach speak at the podium but he's a completely different guy otherwise. Even at that, he's started to unravel a bit because you can tell he's getting frustrated with some of his more recent public comments. He is no BSer. I get the warm fuzzy feeling we all have when a team is loyal to a player who has been valuable and produced at a high level, but I mean even New England and Indianapolis let Manning and Brady walk after all of their success.   Please tell me in what universe does any of this even make sense? I am confused.
    • CR91
      Looking for GMs: New Flash Mock

      By CR91 · Posted

      Gonna be on vacation next week. Sorry
    • ColtsGermany
      Looking for GMs: New Flash Mock

      By ColtsGermany · Posted

      As I have probably nothing else to do at weekend, due to "sleepy" covid management over here, I'm in!    To be honest, I would've been in anyway. 

  • Members

×
×
  • Create New...