FREE AGENT DWIGHT FREENEY

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, FalseStart said:

8-8 to awesome is easily done with a healthy QB...With the O-Line weighted draft, awesome we will be.

I think we will be pretty good with all the changes. Staying optimistic.

[Andrew Luck fan club]

I don't know why we wouldn't sign him. He had some clutch sacks last year. Could be a good 3rd down rusher, for cheap I'm sure. 

[crazycolt1]

4 hours ago, 12to13 said:

I don't know why we wouldn't sign him. He had some clutch sacks last year. Could be a good 3rd down rusher, for cheap I'm sure. 

So what is cheap about a 14 year veteran minimum contract?

[aaron11]

On Saturday, May 07, 2016 at 2:27 AM, crazycolt1 said:

Wow, nice back handed insult.

i dont think that was a backhanded comment, just an honest one

 

few people outside of indy think the colts are a contender next year.  we are not even top 10 in power rankings.

 

on topic, i said it last year and i'll say it again- we should bring freeney back

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, aaron11 said:

i dont think that was a backhanded comment, just an honest one

 

few people outside of indy think the colts are a contender next year.  we are not even top 10 in power rankings.

 

on topic, i said it last year and i'll say it again- we should bring freeney back

Just what makes you think Freeney would consider coming back to Indy after being snubbed?

[aaron11]

22 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Just what makes you think Freeney would consider coming back to Indy after being snubbed?

he said he wanted to play one more year back in march. 

 

i wouldnt say he was snubbed either, he made a ton of money in his final season here.  if the colts were the first team to call him in, i dont think he would hold a grudge about anything, he just wants to play

[Superman]

4 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

he said he wanted to play one more year back in march. 

 

i wouldnt say he was snubbed either, he made a ton of money in his final season here.  if the colts were the first team to call him in, i dont think he would hold a grudge about anything, he just wants to play

 

Yeah I don't think he was snubbed either. I think the Colts should have cut him prior to 2012, to be honest, and said as much at the time. Paying him $14m for one year was more than generous. And overall, I think he's familiar enough with the business side of things to get why the Colts made their decision. IF they called him now, I think he'd get over whatever hurt feelings he had at the time and make a business/football decision, not a personal decision.

[FalseStart]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

Just what makes you think Freeney would consider coming back to Indy after being snubbed?

 

Retiring a Colt might mean something to him...

[Luck2Hilton4TD]

As a situational pass rusher, why not?

 

Here's a pretty good take:

 

http://horseshoeheroes.com/2016/05/12/wanting-to-continue-could-dwight-freeney-make-a-colts-comeback/

[Coltfreak]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

Just what makes you think Freeney would consider coming back to Indy after being snubbed?

Being snubbed???  Seriously?  I assume you thought Manning was snubbed too? 

 

I also agree he was here a yr too long to begin with.

 

 

[Luck2Hilton4TD]

He had 8 sacks in 11 games. That would've been our team high. Yes, he's a DE, but Cards used him as a pass rushing DE in their 3-4 system and he was productive last season. I think our brain trust is too stubborn though when it's all said and done to bring him back. 

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, Coltfreak said:

Being snubbed???  Seriously?  I assume you thought Manning was snubbed too? 

 

I also agree he was here a yr too long to begin with.

 

 

What has Manning have to do with this? That is where you are wrong with assuming anything I think.

[crazycolt1]

2 hours ago, aaron11 said:

he said he wanted to play one more year back in march. 

 

i wouldnt say he was snubbed either, he made a ton of money in his final season here.  if the colts were the first team to call him in, i dont think he would hold a grudge about anything, he just wants to play

You might be right? Who knows?

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, FalseStart said:

 

Retiring a Colt might mean something to him...

I have never heard a rumor of that being said but who knows?

[GAColtsFan]

Dwight Freeney wants to keep playing football and pressuring quarterbacks. The 36-year old pass rusher said as much to Cardinals.com's Darren Urban, saying that he'd love to return to the Cardinals "but if it doesn’t work out here, it could be anywhere. It just depends. It has to be a winning team. I’m used to winning."

[GAColtsFan]

He could definitely help & I would love to wear my Freeney Super Bowl jersey in Jacksonville this year.

[CF4L]

I'd love for Freeney to return but how did things end with him here in Indy I don't recall anything warm and fuzzy from him.

[GAColtsFan]

I don

18 minutes ago, CF4L said:

I'd love for Freeney to return but how did things end with him here in Indy I don't recall anything warm and fuzzy from him.

I don't know so much about how he felt,but I know a lot of fans did not like him not being let go.

[Smonroe]

14 minutes ago, FL Colts Fan said:

I don

I don't know so much about how he felt,but I know a lot of fans did not like him not being let go.

 

The question is - is he worth taking a roster spot from a younger player?  He'd be a situational player who won't do STs.  Not to mention more expensive even at vet min.

 

Still, given all that, if he can get to the QB better than that younger player, IMO he's worth it.

[CF4L]

True but I don't know if Dwight would want to return to the Colts is my point unless its a last resort.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

3 hours ago, FL Colts Fan said:

He could definitely help & I would love to wear my Freeney Super Bowl jersey in Jacksonville this year.

 

I think the Colts vs Jags game is in London.

[aaron11]

2 hours ago, Smonroe said:

 

The question is - is he worth taki rsg a roster spot from a younger player?  He'd be a situational player who won't do STs.  Not to mention more expensive even at vet min.

 

Still, given all that, if he can get to the QB better than that younger player, IMO he's worth it.

We dont even have much young talent on defense, I think there Is room for him.  He could have werners spot

 

The vet min could be an Issue, Im not sure what the number would be

[GAColtsFan]

21 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

 

I think the Colts vs Jags game is in London.

Woops, brain fart on my part.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

40 minutes ago, FL Colts Fan said:

Woops, brain fart on my part.

 

Lol. I'm in Fla. too. I might have made the trip up to Jax to see our Colts.

[jchandler7]

I thought the same thing a few days ago,  I'd love to see him and Mathis back together for one last hoorah, attacking the opposing QB together again.  Free can still get to the QB but a situational pass rusher is all he'd give us at this point in his career. But imo we could use that on this year's squad. 

[Dark Superman]

I would love a Freeney reunion, but remember when Pagano and Grigson preached about making this team younger.

 

I'm actually hoping the Colts make some sort of move for either a ILB or OLB sometime before the season. If we can somehow bring in another proven pass rusher, this team can go places. It's a shame what happened to Newsome. I really thought he was going to be our next big pass rusher, but I was wrong.

[Dark Superman]

I'm hoping Mathis and Cole can bring something special this season. Cole had a few sacks taken away from him. I'm really excited to see guys like Anderson,Jones,Langford and even Ridgeway create havoc from the inside. The Colts defensive front has some potential if they can manage to stay on the field for once.

[akcolt]

5 hours ago, SupermanLuck12 said:

I would love a Freeney reunion, but remember when Pagano and Grigson preached about making this team younger.

 

I'm actually hoping the Colts make some sort of move for either a ILB or OLB sometime before the season. If we can somehow bring in another proven pass rusher, this team can go places. It's a shame what happened to Newsome. I really thought he was going to be our next big pass rusher, but I was wrong.

Newsome looked lost to me. I would not sleep on Thompson. I think we could bring in an OLB depending on how Okine is coming along.  I don't see Freeny coming in we have 2 old OLB's Cole and Mathis. 

 

We keep probably 5 at each spot. I'd think if we bring someone in he's backing up Walden. OLB Cole Walden Mathis Okine the rookies battle for the last spot loser to PS. 

 

ILB DQ Irving Moore Slyvestre Morrison I think are your 5. I'm not a Morrison fan but we spent a 4th he's at least going on the IR. I hope Slyvester sticks liked what he brought last year.

 

McNary probably finds his way on some how. I think Sio Irving and potentially Slyvestre step it up. Sio and Junior is a ton of speed inside. ILB is a position battle I will be watching 

[Lawrence Owen]

He was released because he could not produce well in the 3-4 scheme had. he tried it for a year then was let go.  Years later...How would that be an improvement?

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, Lawrence Owen said:

He was released because he could not produce well in the 3-4 scheme had. he tried it for a year then was let go.  Years later...How would that be an improvement?

I tend to agree. Even the last couple of years here he couldn't make a tackle on a runner or cover any type of receiving RB out of the backfield. He always was great in the 4-3 as far as sacks but never suited for a 3-4. I have the upmost respect for Freeney but bringing him back would not be in the best interest for the Colts IMO.

[theanarchist]

He's going to retire a Colts anyway. As Smonroe said, is he going to be better than a cheaper young player? Hard to say.

[jvan1973]

2 hours ago, Lawrence Owen said:

He was released because he could not produce well in the 3-4 scheme had. he tried it for a year then was let go.  Years later...How would that be an improvement?

He wasn't released.  He was a free agent and wasn't re signed

[Gavin]

He had 8 sacks as a rush linebacker for the Cardinals last year, Rushing the passer is still the same regardless if your standing up or not, you can either bend the corner or you cant. The reason he did not have more pressures was because we dropped him back in coverage and had him hold run contain alot

[ztboiler]

2 hours ago, Lawrence Owen said:

He was released because he could not produce well in the 3-4 scheme had. he tried it for a year then was let go.  Years later...How would that be an improvement?

That logic you are using applies in most cases and it certainly applied to where we were in the 2013 off season - but the conclusion really only holds up if DFree is a starter playing on run downs.  Freeney wasn't snubbed because he couldn't rush the passer anymore, it was because he wouldn't or couldn't set an edge on run downs.

 

Our scheme simply didn't work well with him as a starter.  Back in the 2012 off-season transition year, there was a group of people projecting Mathis and Freeney as OLBs in the new scheme.  Some thought it would work and some thought it wouldn't.  Turns out we were all half right - Mathis thrived (though only average as a run defender).  I was in the camp that thought it would be an easy transition for an athlete of Freeney's level.  I was very wrong...Freeney simply couldn't move past all the years of racing upfield - obviously not a physical issue - and he was very ineffective as an edge setter.  The rush LB isn't known primarily as an edge setter, as the name implies, but if you won't do it, it doesn't take teams long to figure out that they want to run right at the WOLB.  

 

They did.  So, we moved on.

 

Fast forward to the NFL of recent years....it turns out there are roster spots for players who are negligent against the run but geniuses rushing the passer...who knew?  

 

If both sides could swallow their pride, and none of our OLB's not named Mathis, Cole or Walden show the ability to make an impact this year...then Freeney would make a ton of sense.

[Larry Horseman]

15 minutes ago, Gavin said:

He had 8 sacks as a rush linebacker for the Cardinals last year, Rushing the passer is still the same regardless if your standing up or not, you can either bend the corner or you cant. The reason he did not have more pressures was because we dropped him back in coverage and had him hold run contain alot

 

Good post. I'm not saying we should bring back DFree but his lack of production in 2012 had a lot to do with his ankle injury. 

[Dustin]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

I tend to agree. Even the last couple of years here he couldn't make a tackle on a runner or cover any type of receiving RB out of the backfield. He always was great in the 4-3 as far as sacks but never suited for a 3-4. I have the upmost respect for Freeney but bringing him back would not be in the best interest for the Colts IMO.

 

Why the hell would anyone make Dwight Freeney cover a running back?

[Smonroe]

22 minutes ago, Dustin said:

 

Why the hell would anyone make Dwight Freeney cover a running back?

 

Besides, he'd only play when we're in the 4-3.  Which is about half the time anyway.

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, Dustin said:

 

Why the hell would anyone make Dwight Freeney cover a running back?

So a DE don't need to make tackles on a RB if he is in the vicinity? I kinda thought that was part of the job. If I am not mistaken I think I have witnessed Mathis making tackles and covering RBs out of the back field.

[throwing BBZ]

2 hours ago, ztboiler said:

That logic you are using applies in most cases and it certainly applied to where we were in the 2013 off season - but the conclusion really only holds up if DFree is a starter playing on run downs.  Freeney wasn't snubbed because he couldn't rush the passer anymore, it was because he wouldn't or couldn't set an edge on run downs.

 

Our scheme simply didn't work well with him as a starter.  Back in the 2012 off-season transition year, there was a group of people projecting Mathis and Freeney as OLBs in the new scheme.  Some thought it would work and some thought it wouldn't.  Turns out we were all half right - Mathis thrived (though only average as a run defender).  I was in the camp that thought it would be an easy transition for an athlete of Freeney's level.  I was very wrong...Freeney simply couldn't move past all the years of racing upfield - obviously not a physical issue - and he was very ineffective as an edge setter.  The rush LB isn't known primarily as an edge setter, as the name implies, but if you won't do it, it doesn't take teams long to figure out that they want to run right at the WOLB.  

 

They did.  So, we moved on.

 

Fast forward to the NFL of recent years....it turns out there are roster spots for players who are negligent against the run but geniuses rushing the passer...who knew?  

 

If both sides could swallow their pride, and none of our OLB's not named Mathis, Cole or Walden show the ability to make an impact this year...then Freeney would make a ton of sense.

 

 Excellent!
 The only problem is Mathis is best suited as a Blind side, limited snaps, rush specialist.
 So is Dwight.
  It is a long season of course, and the depth would be a Value considering our status.
 But i believe Mathis would be our Priority going in, so how would Freeney feel about being depth behind Mathis?
  And besides, Irsay paid him $14M out of Honor when Dwight wouldn`t negotiate a more reasonable
 number under an extension. A bridge Burned i suspect.
 
 

[Dustin]

20 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

So a DE don't need to make tackles on a RB if he is in the vicinity?

 

Yes, but that is not covering runningbacks. I know that you are new to this, but there is a difference between making a tackle on a runner and playing coverage.

 

20 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

I have witnessed Mathis making tackles and covering RBs out of the back field.

 

Mathis has maybe played 15 snaps in coverage in the past 3 years.