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11 minutes ago, stitches said:

 

 

Yeah, that's way too far in the future :) We'll think about it next year :P

It's never to early to think about next year's draft!  Scout early!  Scout often!  Com'on man! lol

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The clock has run out on Atlanta.

By default, the Atlanta Falcons select Parker Ehinger - Cincinnati

 

Updated list of picks:

 

1. 01. Tennessee -- Laremy Tunsil, Ole Miss

1. 02. Cleveland -- Jalen Ramsey, Florida State

1. 03. San Diego -- Myles Jack, UCLA

1. 04. Dallas -- Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State

1. 05. Jacksonville Tampa bay (trade) -- Joey Bosa, Ohio State

1. 06. Baltimore Los Angeles (trade) -- Carson Wentz, North Dakota State

1. 07. San Francisco -- Jared Goff, California

1. 08. Philadelphia from Miami -- Jack Conklin, Michigan State

1. 09. Tampa Bay Jacksonville (trade) -- Vernon Hargreaves, Florida

1. 10. New York Giants -- Reggie Ragland, Alabama

1. 11. Chicago -- DeForest Buckner, Oregon

1. 12. New Orleans -- Shaq Lawson, Clemson

1. 13. Miami from Philadelphia (trade) Detroit -- Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame

1. 14. Oakland (trade) San Diego -- A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama

1. 15. Los Angeles Baltimore -- Darron Lee, Ohio State

1. 16. Detroit Miami (trade) Houston -- Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss

1. 17. Atlanta -- Leonard Floyd, Georgia

1. 18. Indianapolis -- Keanu Neal, Florida

1. 19. Buffalo -- Noah Spence, Eastern Kentucky

1. 20. New York Jets (trade) Minnesota -- Sheldon Rankins, Louisville

1. 21. Washington -- Mackensie Alexander, Clemson

1. 22. Houston (trade, see #16) Miami -- Jarran Reed, Alabama

1. 23. Minnesota (trade, see #20) New York Jets -- Taylor Decker, Ohio State

1. 24. Cincinnati -- Andrew Billings, Baylor

1. 25. Pittsburgh -- William Jackson III, Houston

1. 26. Seattle -- Kevin Dodd, Clemson

1. 27. Green Bay (trade) Cleveland Browns -- Paxton Lynch, Memphis

1. 28. Kansas City -- Eli Apple, Ohio State

1. 29. Arizona -- Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma State

1. 30. Carolina (trade) Tampa Bay -- Jaylon Smith, Notre Dame

1. 31. Denver -- Karl Joseph, West Virginia

 

2. 32. Cleveland (trade, see #27) Green Bay Packers -- Vernon Butler, Louisiana Tech

2. 33. Tennessee -- Corey Coleman, Baylor

2. 34. Dallas (trade) New England -- Michael Thomas, Ohio State

2. 35. San Diego (trade, see #14) Oakland -- Jason Spriggs, Indiana

2. 36. Baltimore -- Cody Whitehair, Kansas State

2. 37. San Francisco -- Germain Ifedi, Texas A&M

2. 38. Jacksonville - Ryan Kelly, Alabama

2. 39. Tampa Bay (trade, see #30) Carolina -- Josh Doctson, TCU

2. 40. New York Giants - Derrick Henry, Alabama

2. 41. Chicago - Hunter Henry, Arkansas

2. 42. Miami - Vonn Bell, Ohio State

2. 43. Los Angeles Baltimore (trade) - Jonathan Bullard, Florida

2. 44. Oakland - Kendall Fuller, Virginia Tech

2. 45. Los Angeles Baltimore (trade) Philadelphia (trade) - Connor Cook, Michigan State

2. 46. Detroit Miami (trade, see #13) - Nick Vannett, Ohio State

2. 47. New Orleans - Chris Jones, Mississippi State

2. 48. Indianapolis - Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech

2. 49. Buffalo - Robert Nkemdiche, Ole Miss

2. 50. Atlanta - Su'a Cravens, USC

2. 51. New York Jets - Kamelei Correa, Boise State

2. 52. Houston - Hassan Ridgeway, Texas

2. 53. Washington - Adolphus Washington, Ohio State

2. 54. Minnesota - Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh

2. 55. Cincinnati Denver (trade) - Kenny Clark ,UCLA

2. 56. Seattle - Will Fuller, Notre Dame

2. 57. Green Bay - Harlan Miller, Southeastern Louisiana

2. 58. Pittsburgh - Darian Thompson, Boise St.

2. 59. Kansas City - Sterling Shepard. Oklahoma

2. 60. New England Dallas (trade, see #34) - Austin Johnson, Penn State

2. 61. New England Dallas (trade, see #34) - Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State

2. 62. Carolina - TJ Green, Clemson

2. 63. Denver - Cincinnati (trade) - Nick Martin, Notre Dame

 

Preview for round 3(please report with links any missing trades so I can correct the order, thanks):

3. 64. Tennessee - Scooby Wright III, Arizona

3. 65. Cleveland - Charone Peake, Clemson

3. 66. San Diego - Christian Westerman, Arizona St.

3. 67. Dallas - Kalan Reed, Southern Miss

3. 68. San Francisco - Zack Sanchez, Oklahoma

3. 69. Jacksonville - Joshua Perry, Ohio State

3. 70. Baltimore Los Angeles (trade) - Leonte Carroo, Rutgers

3. 71. New York Giants - Xavien Howard, Baylor

3. 72. Chicago - Shon Coleman, Auburn

3. 73. Miami Detroit (trade) - Sheldon Day, Notre Dame

3. 74. Tampa Bay - Jalen Mills, LSU

3. 75. Oakland - Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah

3. 76. Los Angeles Baltimore Los Angeles (trade #1 [pick to Baltimore]) (trade #2 [pick to Los Angeles]) - Austin Hooper, Stanford

3. 77. Philadelphia from Detroit Baltimore (see trade 2-45) - Willie Henry, Michigan

3. 78. New Orleans - Joshua Garnett, Stanford

3. 79. Philadelphia Baltimore (see trade 2-45) -  Artie Burns, Miami

3. 80. Buffalo - Justin Simmons, Boston College

3. 81. Atlanta - Jihad Ward, Illinois

3. 82. Indianapolis - Rees Odhiambo, Boise State

3. 83. New York Jets - Deion Jones, LSU

3. 84. Washington - Vadal Alexander, LSU

3. 85. Houston (trade, see #16) Miami - Jeremy Cash, Duke

3. 86. Minnesota (trade, see #20) New York Jets - Le'Raven Clark, Texas Tech

3. 87. Cincinnati (trade) Denver - Jordan Howard, RB

3. 88. Green Bay - Jordan Jenkins, Georgia

3. 89. Pittsburgh - Isaac Seumalo, Oregon State

3. 90. Seattle - Paul Perkins, UCLA

3. 91. New England - Kyler Fackrell, Utah St.

3. 92. Arizona -  Braxton Miller Ohio State

3. 93. Carolina - Kolby Listinbee, TCU

3. 94. Denver (trade) Cincinnati - Maurice Canady, Virginia

3. 95. Detroit (Compensatory Selection) - Pharoh Cooper, South Carolina

3. 96. New England (Compensatory Selection) - Javon Hargrave, South Carolina St.

3. 97. Seattle (Compensatory Selection) - Jerald Hawkins, LSU

3. 98. Denver (Compensatory Selection) - Dak Prescott, Mississippi State

 

Round 4 (please send any corrections and trades so I can fix the order)

4. 99. Cleveland (trade) - Green Bay - Joe Haeg, North Dakota State

4. 100. Philadelphia (trade) Baltimore - Keivarae Russell, Notre Dame

4. 101. Dallas - Bronson Kaufusi, BYU

4. 102. San Diego - Landon Turner, North Carolina

4. 103. Jacksonville - Carl Nassib, Penn State

4. 104. Baltimore - Rashard Robinson, LSU

4. 105. San Francisco - Deandre Houston-Carson, William & Mary

4. 106. Chicago - Christian Hackenberg, Penn State

4. 107. Miami - Devontae Booker, Utah

4. 108. Tampa Bay (trade) Carolina - Sebastian Tretola, Arkansas

4. 109. New York Giants - Cyrus Jones, Alabama 

4. 110. Los Angeles - Kentrell Brothers, Missouri

4. 111. Detroit - Will Redmond, Miss. state

4. 112. New Orleans - Sean Davis, Maryland

4. 113. Tennessee - Jerell Adams, South Carolina

4. 114. Oakland - Alex Collins, Arkansas

4. 115. Atlanta - Parker Ehinger - Cincinnati

4. 116. Indianapolis - Matt Ioannidis - Temple

4. 117. Buffalo - Rashard Higgins - Colorado State

4. 118. New York Jets (trade) Minnesota

4. 119. Houston

4. 120. Washington

4. 121. Minnesota

4. 122. Cincinnati

4. 123. Pittsburgh

4. 124. Seattle

4. 125. Green Bay

4. 126. Kansas City

4. 127. Chicago from New England

4. 128. Arizona

4. 129. Carolina

4. 130. Baltimore from Denver

4. 131. Green Bay (Compensatory Selection)

4. 132. Baltimore (Compensatory Selection)

4. 133. San Francisco (Compensatory Selection)

4. 134. Baltimore (Compensatory Selection)

4. 135. Dallas (Compensatory Selection)

4. 136. Denver (Compensatory Selection)

4. 137. Green Bay (Compensatory Selection)

4. 138. Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)

4. 139. Buffalo (Compensatory Selection)

 

Available players:

 

71 OT  JERALD HAWKINS - LSU

72 OT  SHON COLEMAN - AUBURN

73 CB  ARTIE BURNS - MIAMI (FLA.)

74 WR  PHAROH COOPER - SOUTH CAROLINA

75 C  NICK MARTIN - NOTRE DAME

76 WR  LEONTE CARROO - RUTGERS

77 DT  WILLIE HENRY - MICHIGAN

78 G  REES ODHIAMBO - BOISE STATE

79 DT  SHELDON DAY - NOTRE DAME

80 G  LANDON TURNER - NORTH CAROLINA

81 G  PARKER EHINGER - CINCINNATI

82 CB  KEIVARAE RUSSELL - NOTRE DAME

83 DE  CARL NASSIB - PENN STATE

84 DT  ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON - OHIO STATE

85 DT  MATT IOANNIDIS - TEMPLE

86 CB  RASHARD ROBINSON - LSU

87 TE  NICK VANNETT - OHIO STATE

88 S  JEREMY CASH - DUKE

89 TE  AUSTIN HOOPER - STANFORD

90 S  VONN BELL - OHIO STATE

91 S  MILES KILLEBREW - SOUTHERN UTAH

92 RB  DEVONTAE BOOKER - UTAH

93 RB  ALEX COLLINS - ARKANSAS

94 OLB  JORDAN JENKINS - GEORGIA

95 ILB  JOSHUA PERRY - OHIO STATE

96 QB  CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG - PENN STATE

97 QB  DAK PRESCOTT - MISS. STATE

98 G  VADAL ALEXANDER - LSU

99 S  JAYRON KEARSE - CLEMSON

100 C  JACK ALLEN - MICHIGAN STATE

101 S  DEANDRE HOUSTON-CARSON - WILLIAM & MARY

102 S  SEAN DAVIS - MARYLAND

103 G  DARRELL GREENE - SAN DIEGO STATE

104 DE  AARON WALLACE - UCLA

105 ILB  KENTRELL BROTHERS - MISSOURI

106 OT  LA'RAVEN CLARK - TEXAS TECH

107 G  CONNOR MCGOVERN - MISSOURI

108 RB  KELVIN TAYLOR - FLORIDA

109 OT  JOE HAEG - NORTH DAKOTA STATE

110 CB  WILL REDMOND - MISS. STATE

111 OLB  KYLER FACKRELL - UTAH STATE

112 CB  JUSTON BURRIS - NC STATE

113 WR  RASHARD HIGGINS - COLORADO STATE

114 CB  ERIC MURRAY - MINNESOTA

115 WR  KENNY LAWLER - CALIFORNIA

116 CB  JAMES BRADBERRY - SAMFORD

117 DT  JAVON HARGRAVE - SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

118 DE  CHARLES TAPPER - OKLAHOMA

119 S  DEIONDRE HALL - NORTHERN IOWA

120 DE  JAMES COWSER - SOUTHERN UTAH

121 S  TYVIS POWELL - OHIO STATE

122 G  SEBASTIAN TRETOLA - ARKANSAS

123 OT  WILLIE BEAVERS - WESTERN MICHIGAN

124 DE  RONALD BLAIR - APPALACHIAN ST

125 TE  TYLER HIGBEE - WESTERN KENTUCKY

126 TE  DEVON CAJUSTE - STANFORD

127 WR  HUNTER SHARP - UTAH STATE

128 G  JOE DAHL - WASHINGTON ST

129 QB  BRANDON ALLEN - ARKANSAS

130 QB  CARDALE JONES - OHIO STATE

131 ILB  DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER - OKLAHOMA

132 OLB  JOE SCHOBERT - WISCONSIN

133 OLB  DEION JONES - LSU

134 RB  KEITH MARSHALL - GEORGIA

135 RB  TYLER ERVIN - SAN JOSE STATE

136 RB  CJ PROSISE - NOTRE DAME

137 WR  DEMARCUS ROBINSON - FLORIDA

138 WR  JALIN MARSHALL - OHIO STATE

139 RB  PEYTON BARBER - AUBURN

140 RB  KENYAN DRAKE - ALABAMA

141 WR  TAJAE SHARPE - UMASS

142 CB  D.J. WHITE - GEORGIA TECH

143 WR  DANIEL BRAVERMAN - WESTERN MICHIGAN

144 CB  CYRUS JONES - ALABAMA

145 WR  AARON BURBRIDGE - MICHIGAN STATE

146 CB  MAURICE CANADY - VIRGINIA

147 WR  CAYLEB JONES - ARIZONA

148 CB  DARYL WORLEY - WEST VIRGINIA

149 DE  BRONSON KAUFUSI - BYU

150 WR  MALCOLM MITCHELL - GEORGIA

151 OLB  SCOOBY WRIGHT - ARIZONA

152 RB  JONATHAN WILLIAMS - ARKANSAS

153 WR  NELSON SPRUCE - COLORADO

154 OT  BRANDON SHELL - SOUTH CAROLINA

155 S  K.J. DILLON - WEST VIRGINIA

156 DE  SHAWN OAKMAN - BAYLOR

157 OLB  DADI NICOLAS - VIRGINIA TECH

158 WR  JAY LEE - BAYLOR

159 C  GRAHAM GLASGOW - MICHIGAN

160 G  DOMENICK JACKSON - ALABAMA

161 K  ROBERTO AGUAYO - FLORIDA STATE

162 C  EVAN BOEHM - MISSOURI

163 S  KEVIN BYARD - MIDDLE TENN STATE

164 DE  VICTOR OCHI - STONY BROOK

165 OLB  YANNICK NGAKOUE - MARYLAND

166 OT  KYLE MURPHY - STANFORD

167 DE  MATT JUDON - GRAND VALLEY

168 TE  THOMAS DUARTE - UCLA

169 P  DREW KASER - TEXAS A&M

170 TE  BEAU SANDLAND - MONTANA STATE

171 WR  CHRIS MOORE - CINCINNATI

172 TE  BEN BRAUNECKER - HARVARD

173 C  COLE TONER - HARVARD

174 S  JORDAN LUCAS - PENN STATE

175 QB  JACOBY BRISSETT - NC STATE

176 TE  JAKE MCGEE - FLORIDA

177 S  JUSTIN SIMMONS - BOSTON COLLEGE

178 QB  KEVIN HOGAN - STANFORD

179 DT  D.J. READER - CLEMSON

180 QB  JEFF DRISKEL - LOUISIANA TECH

181 ILB  DEVONDRE CAMPBELL - MINNESOTA

182 QB  NATE SUDFELD - INDIANA

183 G  AVERY YOUNG - AUBURN

184 WR  KEYARRIS GARRETT - TULSA

185 ILB  BENIQUEZ BROWN - MISS. STATE

186 QB  CODY KESSLER - USC

187 OT  SPENCER DRANGO - BAYLOR

188 OLB  ALEX MCCALISTER - FLORIDA

189 ILB  ANTONIO MORRISON - FLORIDA

190 ILB  TYLER MATAKEVICH - TEMPLE

191 RB  DEANDRE WASHINGTON - TEXAS TECH

192 OT  DOMINIQUE ROBERTSON - WEST GEORGIA

193 OLB  NICK VIGIL - UTAH STATE

194 RB  JOSH FERGUSON - ILLINOIS

195 OT  ALEX LEWIS - NEBRASKA

196 OLB  TERRANCE SMITH - FSU

197 OT  JOHN THEUS - GEORGIA

198 CB  ANTHONY BROWN - PURDUE

199 CB  LESHAUN SIMS - SOUTHERN UTAH

200 C ISAAC SEUMALO, OREGON STATE

 

201 C  MAX TUERK - USC

294 WR  KOLBY LISTENBEE - TCU

--- TE Jerell Adams

 

@JPFolksis on the clock.

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@ColtsBleedBluesent me this message about his pick in case he's not here to make it:

 

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Top choices for my next pick if i'm not available to make it.

1. WR - Rashard Higgins

...

 

 

With the 117 pick the Buffalo Bills select Rashard Higgins, Colorado State

@NFLfanis on the clock

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1 hour ago, OffensivelyPC said:

 @QwizBoy

@Defjamz26

 @NFLfan

 @danlhart87

 @loudnproudcolt

 @aaron11

 @chelsea_fc

@MTC

 

2017 3rd for your upcoming 4th rounder?

Heck, why not give them your first?  This is the last round and you won't be the GM next year anyway for that team, let them worry about it.. heh heh.  In all seriousness though, I would love to get a 4th for next year's 3rd and this year's 7th.  

 

I was really happy to get that DT out of Temple at this pick.  I was trying to trade up to get him, but he fell to me anyway, but after being the in hospital and missing Round 2, I wanted to make up for what would have been a starting C (Ryan Kelly or at worst Nick Martin) for the Colts as best I could still.  I am still open to trade with anyone as there's another Center with potential left.  

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Those would probably get vetoed anyways. Does that ever happen? Teams trading low-4th rounders for future 3d?

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With the 118th pick, the Minnesota Vikings select Connor McGovern,  OT/G, Missouri.  

 

@QwizBoy The Texans are on the clock.

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7 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

It's never to early to think about next year's draft!  Scout early!  Scout often!  Com'on man! lol

 

haha  We already have a poll on the Colts forum, asking which player will be the #1 pick next year. 

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7 hours ago, JPFolks said:

I wanted to make up for what would have been a starting C (Ryan Kelly or at worst Nick Martin) for the Colts as best I could still.  I am still open to trade with anyone as there's another Center with potential left.  

those guys probably flew off the board because everyone is hoping the colts take them in real life.  IU players went a little early here too

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1 hour ago, NFLfan said:

With the 118th pick, the Minnesota Vikings select Connor McGovern,  OT/G, Missouri.  

 

@QwizBoy The Texans are on the clock.

All 2017 3rd round pick offers rescinded. That's who I've been trying to get.

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7 hours ago, stitches said:

Those would probably get vetoed anyways. Does that ever happen? Teams trading low-4th rounders for future 3d?

Clearly it's not enough compensation with everyone declining the offer. I haven't looked for a specific example, but future picks are devalued by roughly a round as it is, give or take. So I don't think it's unusual. Maybe I am wrong.

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16 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Clearly it's not enough compensation with everyone declining the offer. I haven't looked for a specific example, but future picks are devalued by roughly a round as it is, give or take. So I don't think it's unusual. Maybe I am wrong.

 

The Colts traded a future 4th round pick for a 5th rounder straight up in 2013, so there's precedent for the trade. 

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2 minutes ago, Dustin said:

 

The Colts traded a future 4th round pick for a 5th rounder straight up in 2013, so there's precedent for the trade. 

I thought we did, but it was for Hilton, and when I looked it up that wasn't the case. Thanks.

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3 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Clearly it's not enough compensation with everyone declining the offer. I haven't looked for a specific example, but future picks are devalued by roughly a round as it is, give or take. So I don't think it's unusual. Maybe I am wrong.

I'm not sure that's the case, but if it is - this is a huge draft inefficiency and should be exploited by smart GMs. WIth some small exceptions, I would always take that trade. In the long run you will kill the league with that strategy.

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59 minutes ago, stitches said:

I'm not sure that's the case, but if it is - this is a huge draft inefficiency and should be exploited by smart GMs. WIth some small exceptions, I would always take that trade. In the long run you will kill the league with that strategy.

Well, to be fair, I think the first and second round are exceptions.  I think most GMs would never trade a future 1st for a 2nd round pick unless they're a backhalf team who is moving to get into the top 10 of the 2nd.  They are devalued, but probably not by an entire round.  I think it's fair when it comes to sending furture 3rds because the likelihood of those players being more than role players is fairly limited.  The perceived value - if you can break it down to a formula - from 1 pick to the next is much less than it is in the first two rounds.

 

In this case, it makes a ton of sense when you have a guy you already have graded as a mid-3rd round prospect who has fallen into the mid-4th or later.  He's a good scheme fit for the Jets and his skillset would translate better on their team, which is why I have him rated a little higher than the early 4th he's being projected as.  So lets say, on their board he is the 85th best prospect on their board, you give up next year's 3rd to get him in the 4th.  Next year, when the draft rolls around, if you place about the same, you lose basically nothing (to say nothing about how he actually pans out).  If you are drafting 10th, you lose 15 spots of value.  Of course you can't predict where you draft next year, which is why figuring out the value actually lost is irrelevant to whether the trade is made today.  The bottom line is, you got two 3rd round prospects in your eyes.  Whether its' in the same year or different years is really not that important.

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1 minute ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Well, to be fair, I think the first and second round are exceptions.  I think most GMs would never trade a future 1st for a 2nd round pick unless they're a backhalf team who is moving to get into the top 10 of the 2nd.  They are devalued, but probably not by an entire round.  I think it's fair when it comes to sending furture 3rds because the likelihood of those players being more than role players is fairly limited.  The perceived value - if you can break it down to a formula - from 1 pick to the next is much less than it is in the first two rounds.

 

In this case, it makes a ton of sense when you have a guy you already have graded as a 3rd round prospect who has fallen into the mid-4th or later.  He's a good scheme fit for the Jets, so lets say, on their board he is the 85th best prospect on their board, you give up next year's 3rd to get him in the 4th.  Next year, when the draft rolls around, if you place about the same, you lose basically nothing (to say nothing about how he actually pans out).  If you are drafting 10th, you lose 15 spots of value.  Of course you can't predict where you draft next year, which is why figuring out the value actually lost is irrelevant to whether the trade is made today.  The bottom line is, you got two 3rd round prospects in your eyes.  Whether its' in the same year or different years is really not that important.

The problem with that logic is that even if you think you are getting a 3d round prospect in the 4th, you don't know what next year's third would be like. For all intents and purposes(and I must assume it's almost ALWAYS the case, because of how different different team's boards are), next year you are likely get someone you value as a second-rounder with the third you just shipped in order to take someone you value as third rounder in the fourth. 

 

So the bottom line for such a scenario would be - 2 thirds value vs 2nd and third value. Players slip in every draft and in every draft I would assume we take players that are much higher on our board than the position they are taken at. If you start with that assumption it's almost inexcusable trading higher round pick for lower round pick(again with some minor exceptions(say a perceived 1st drops to the 4th).

 

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4 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Clearly it's not enough compensation with everyone declining the offer. I haven't looked for a specific example, but future picks are devalued by roughly a round as it is, give or take. So I don't think it's unusual. Maybe I am wrong.

i think part of the issue is this is a mock and no one really cares about next years picks.  i know there have been some of those trades already, but they seemed  realistic enough that no one made a big deal out of it

 

in real life a future third could probably get you a fourth right now, but it seems pretty sketchy for this mock.  why not just trade everything next year for more picks now?

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With the 119th pick, the Houston Texans select CJ Prosise, RB, Notre Dame. 

 

@Defjamz26 you are on the clock.

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1 hour ago, stitches said:

The problem with that logic is that even if you think you are getting a 3d round prospect in the 4th, you don't know what next year's third would be like. For all intents and purposes(and I must assume it's almost ALWAYS the case, because of how different different team's boards are), next year you are likely get someone you value as a second-rounder with the third you just shipped in order to take someone you value as third rounder in the fourth. 

 

So the bottom line for such a scenario would be - 2 thirds value vs 2nd and third value. Players slip in every draft and in every draft I would assume we take players that are much higher on our board than the position they are taken at. If you start with that assumption it's almost inexcusable trading higher round pick for lower round pick(again with some minor exceptions(say a perceived 1st drops to the 4th).

 

No, you don't know what it will be like next year.  For all you know, you may be out of a job next year.  So you make reasonable moves and maximize the talent of your team today.  What you could have done with that 2017 3rd end up becoming pointless if you can't build a winning roster long enough to use it.  Some guys fall into the crowd of GMs who are safe for the next 4 or 5 years.  Some have to make something happen in 1 or 2.  The Colts and the Jets GM probably fit the latter category.  

 

Theoretically, I agree with you.  You want to keep your future 3rds because no matter what, a pick 30 spots ahead of another will yield better playing talent than the one 30 spots behind.  That is solid theory.  But it's just that.

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51 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

i think part of the issue is this is a mock and no one really cares about next years picks.  i know there have been some of those trades already, but they seemed  realistic enough that no one made a big deal out of it

 

in real life a future third could probably get you a fourth right now, but it seems pretty sketchy for this mock.  why not just trade everything next year for more picks now?

@JPFolks made the same quip above.  And I agree with both of you.  There's no consequences for trading the rest of your team's life for today's 4th round pick in a mock.  So teams that are heavily outweighed in the mock GM's favor won't be accepted because they have no use for it.  While this mock is intended to simulate a draft, it's still a game.  and what game is fun if you max out your teams future better than any one else but only make 1 or 2 picks to everyone elses 4 or 5?  I figured this would happen, but I ain't mad.

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1 minute ago, OffensivelyPC said:

No, you don't know what it will be like next year.  For all you know, you may be out of a job next year.  So you make reasonable moves and maximize the talent of your team today.  What you could have done with that 2017 3rd end up becoming pointless if you can't build a winning roster long enough to use it.  Some guys fall into the crowd of GMs who are safe for the next 4 or 5 years.  Some have to make something happen in 1 or 2.  The Colts and the Jets GM probably fit the latter category.  

 

Theoretically, I agree with you.  You want to keep your future 3rds because no matter what, a pick 30 spots ahead of another will yield better playing talent than the one 30 spots behind.  That is solid theory.  But it's just that.

Very true. That's the reason GMs make stupid deals - job uncertainty and desire to maximize their assets in the present rather than in the long run.

 

I'd love to see a team try to abuse the system if teams really devalue future assets like that. I'd be all in for Grigson doing it, because I think there is huge unexplored value to be gained.

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With the 121st pick, the Minnesota Vikings select Eric Murray, CB, Minnesota.

 

@danlhart87 You are once again on the clock, this time for the Bengals. (The person after you is loudnproudcolt.)

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5 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

I thought we did, but it was for Hilton, and when I looked it up that wasn't the case. Thanks.

 

They did this for Montori Hughes. They gave up a 2014 4th for Cleveland's 2013 5th. 

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7 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

With the 121st pick, the Minnesota Vikings select Eric Murray, CB, Minnesota. 

 

@danlhart87 You are once again on the clock, this time for the Bengals. (The person after you is loudnproudcolt.)

@danlhart87sent me this msg about his pick:

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Draft Matt Judon in the 4th for me.

 

With the 122nd pick the Bengals select Matt Judon, Grand Valley.

@loudnproudcoltis on the clock.

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53 minutes ago, stitches said:

Very true. That's the reason GMs make stupid deals - job uncertainty and desire to maximize their assets in the present rather than in the long run.

 

I'd love to see a team try to abuse the system if teams really devalue future assets like that. I'd be all in for Grigson doing it, because I think there is huge unexplored value to be gained.

Well, when you are a guy like Belichick who got so much slack after his first 4 years, and you have a QB that will constantly keep you in the running, you can start rolling over draft picks like that.  If Grigs and Pags can do a lot of damage in the next two drafts and get us where we need to go, I would think it would just be good business to stock up on the future at smaller costs today.  You give up a 4th for a 3rd every year, and every year, you have two 3rd round picks for the price of a 4th.

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44 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

They did this for Montori Hughes. They gave up a 2014 4th for Cleveland's 2013 5th. 

How have you not weighed in on the NFLPA/Brady overruling?!  I expect at least a meme and some very opinionated opinions.

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20 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Already picked.

opps,

 

the seahawks will take  Joe Dahl G Washington state instead

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Updated list of picks:

 

1. 01. Tennessee -- Laremy Tunsil, Ole Miss

1. 02. Cleveland -- Jalen Ramsey, Florida State

1. 03. San Diego -- Myles Jack, UCLA

1. 04. Dallas -- Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State

1. 05. Jacksonville Tampa bay (trade) -- Joey Bosa, Ohio State

1. 06. Baltimore Los Angeles (trade) -- Carson Wentz, North Dakota State

1. 07. San Francisco -- Jared Goff, California

1. 08. Philadelphia from Miami -- Jack Conklin, Michigan State

1. 09. Tampa Bay Jacksonville (trade) -- Vernon Hargreaves, Florida

1. 10. New York Giants -- Reggie Ragland, Alabama

1. 11. Chicago -- DeForest Buckner, Oregon

1. 12. New Orleans -- Shaq Lawson, Clemson

1. 13. Miami from Philadelphia (trade) Detroit -- Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame

1. 14. Oakland (trade) San Diego -- A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama

1. 15. Los Angeles Baltimore -- Darron Lee, Ohio State

1. 16. Detroit Miami (trade) Houston -- Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss

1. 17. Atlanta -- Leonard Floyd, Georgia

1. 18. Indianapolis -- Keanu Neal, Florida

1. 19. Buffalo -- Noah Spence, Eastern Kentucky

1. 20. New York Jets (trade) Minnesota -- Sheldon Rankins, Louisville

1. 21. Washington -- Mackensie Alexander, Clemson

1. 22. Houston (trade, see #16) Miami -- Jarran Reed, Alabama

1. 23. Minnesota (trade, see #20) New York Jets -- Taylor Decker, Ohio State

1. 24. Cincinnati -- Andrew Billings, Baylor

1. 25. Pittsburgh -- William Jackson III, Houston

1. 26. Seattle -- Kevin Dodd, Clemson

1. 27. Green Bay (trade) Cleveland Browns -- Paxton Lynch, Memphis

1. 28. Kansas City -- Eli Apple, Ohio State

1. 29. Arizona -- Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma State

1. 30. Carolina (trade) Tampa Bay -- Jaylon Smith, Notre Dame

1. 31. Denver -- Karl Joseph, West Virginia

 

2. 32. Cleveland (trade, see #27) Green Bay Packers -- Vernon Butler, Louisiana Tech

2. 33. Tennessee -- Corey Coleman, Baylor

2. 34. Dallas (trade) New England -- Michael Thomas, Ohio State

2. 35. San Diego (trade, see #14) Oakland -- Jason Spriggs, Indiana

2. 36. Baltimore -- Cody Whitehair, Kansas State

2. 37. San Francisco -- Germain Ifedi, Texas A&M

2. 38. Jacksonville - Ryan Kelly, Alabama

2. 39. Tampa Bay (trade, see #30) Carolina -- Josh Doctson, TCU

2. 40. New York Giants - Derrick Henry, Alabama

2. 41. Chicago - Hunter Henry, Arkansas

2. 42. Miami - Vonn Bell, Ohio State

2. 43. Los Angeles Baltimore (trade) - Jonathan Bullard, Florida

2. 44. Oakland - Kendall Fuller, Virginia Tech

2. 45. Los Angeles Baltimore (trade) Philadelphia (trade) - Connor Cook, Michigan State

2. 46. Detroit Miami (trade, see #13) - Nick Vannett, Ohio State

2. 47. New Orleans - Chris Jones, Mississippi State

2. 48. Indianapolis - Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech

2. 49. Buffalo - Robert Nkemdiche, Ole Miss

2. 50. Atlanta - Su'a Cravens, USC

2. 51. New York Jets - Kamelei Correa, Boise State

2. 52. Houston - Hassan Ridgeway, Texas

2. 53. Washington - Adolphus Washington, Ohio State

2. 54. Minnesota - Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh

2. 55. Cincinnati Denver (trade) - Kenny Clark ,UCLA

2. 56. Seattle - Will Fuller, Notre Dame

2. 57. Green Bay - Harlan Miller, Southeastern Louisiana

2. 58. Pittsburgh - Darian Thompson, Boise St.

2. 59. Kansas City - Sterling Shepard. Oklahoma

2. 60. New England Dallas (trade, see #34) - Austin Johnson, Penn State

2. 61. New England Dallas (trade, see #34) - Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State

2. 62. Carolina - TJ Green, Clemson

2. 63. Denver - Cincinnati (trade) - Nick Martin, Notre Dame

 

Preview for round 3(please report with links any missing trades so I can correct the order, thanks):

3. 64. Tennessee - Scooby Wright III, Arizona

3. 65. Cleveland - Charone Peake, Clemson

3. 66. San Diego - Christian Westerman, Arizona St.

3. 67. Dallas - Kalan Reed, Southern Miss

3. 68. San Francisco - Zack Sanchez, Oklahoma

3. 69. Jacksonville - Joshua Perry, Ohio State

3. 70. Baltimore Los Angeles (trade) - Leonte Carroo, Rutgers

3. 71. New York Giants - Xavien Howard, Baylor

3. 72. Chicago - Shon Coleman, Auburn

3. 73. Miami Detroit (trade) - Sheldon Day, Notre Dame

3. 74. Tampa Bay - Jalen Mills, LSU

3. 75. Oakland - Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah

3. 76. Los Angeles Baltimore Los Angeles (trade #1 [pick to Baltimore]) (trade #2 [pick to Los Angeles]) - Austin Hooper, Stanford

3. 77. Philadelphia from Detroit Baltimore (see trade 2-45) - Willie Henry, Michigan

3. 78. New Orleans - Joshua Garnett, Stanford

3. 79. Philadelphia Baltimore (see trade 2-45) -  Artie Burns, Miami

3. 80. Buffalo - Justin Simmons, Boston College

3. 81. Atlanta - Jihad Ward, Illinois

3. 82. Indianapolis - Rees Odhiambo, Boise State

3. 83. New York Jets - Deion Jones, LSU

3. 84. Washington - Vadal Alexander, LSU

3. 85. Houston (trade, see #16) Miami - Jeremy Cash, Duke

3. 86. Minnesota (trade, see #20) New York Jets - Le'Raven Clark, Texas Tech

3. 87. Cincinnati (trade) Denver - Jordan Howard, RB

3. 88. Green Bay - Jordan Jenkins, Georgia

3. 89. Pittsburgh - Isaac Seumalo, Oregon State

3. 90. Seattle - Paul Perkins, UCLA

3. 91. New England - Kyler Fackrell, Utah St.

3. 92. Arizona -  Braxton Miller Ohio State

3. 93. Carolina - Kolby Listinbee, TCU

3. 94. Denver (trade) Cincinnati - Maurice Canady, Virginia

3. 95. Detroit (Compensatory Selection) - Pharoh Cooper, South Carolina

3. 96. New England (Compensatory Selection) - Javon Hargrave, South Carolina St.

3. 97. Seattle (Compensatory Selection) - Jerald Hawkins, LSU

3. 98. Denver (Compensatory Selection) - Dak Prescott, Mississippi State

 

Round 4 (please send any corrections and trades so I can fix the order)

4. 99. Cleveland (trade) - Green Bay - Joe Haeg, North Dakota State

4. 100. Philadelphia (trade) Baltimore - Keivarae Russell, Notre Dame

4. 101. Dallas - Bronson Kaufusi, BYU

4. 102. San Diego - Landon Turner, North Carolina

4. 103. Jacksonville - Carl Nassib, Penn State

4. 104. Baltimore - Rashard Robinson, LSU

4. 105. San Francisco - Deandre Houston-Carson, William & Mary

4. 106. Chicago - Christian Hackenberg, Penn State

4. 107. Miami - Devontae Booker, Utah

4. 108. Tampa Bay (trade) Carolina - Sebastian Tretola, Arkansas

4. 109. New York Giants - Cyrus Jones, Alabama 

4. 110. Los Angeles - Kentrell Brothers, Missouri

4. 111. Detroit - Will Redmond, Miss. state

4. 112. New Orleans - Sean Davis, Maryland

4. 113. Tennessee - Jerell Adams, South Carolina

4. 114. Oakland - Alex Collins, Arkansas

4. 115. Atlanta - Parker Ehinger - Cincinnati

4. 116. Indianapolis - Matt Ioannidis - Temple

4. 117. Buffalo - Rashard Higgins - Colorado State

4. 118. New York Jets (trade) Minnesota - Connor McGovern, Missouri

4. 119. Houston - CJ Prosise, Notre Dame

4. 120. Washington - Jayron Kearse, Clemson

4. 121. Minnesota - Eric Murray, Minnesota

4. 122. Cincinnati - Matt Judon, Grand Valley

4. 123. Pittsburgh - Jack Allen, Michigan State

4. 124. Seattle - Joe Dahl, Washington state

4. 125. Green Bay - Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky

4. 126. Kansas City

4. 127. Chicago from New England

4. 128. Arizona

4. 129. Carolina

4. 130. Baltimore from Denver

4. 131. Green Bay (Compensatory Selection)

4. 132. Baltimore (Compensatory Selection)

4. 133. San Francisco (Compensatory Selection)

4. 134. Baltimore (Compensatory Selection)

4. 135. Dallas (Compensatory Selection)

4. 136. Denver (Compensatory Selection)

4. 137. Green Bay (Compensatory Selection)

4. 138. Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)

4. 139. Buffalo (Compensatory Selection)

 

Available players:

 

71 OT  JERALD HAWKINS - LSU

72 OT  SHON COLEMAN - AUBURN

73 CB  ARTIE BURNS - MIAMI (FLA.)

74 WR  PHAROH COOPER - SOUTH CAROLINA

75 C  NICK MARTIN - NOTRE DAME

76 WR  LEONTE CARROO - RUTGERS

77 DT  WILLIE HENRY - MICHIGAN

78 G  REES ODHIAMBO - BOISE STATE

79 DT  SHELDON DAY - NOTRE DAME

80 G  LANDON TURNER - NORTH CAROLINA

81 G  PARKER EHINGER - CINCINNATI

82 CB  KEIVARAE RUSSELL - NOTRE DAME

83 DE  CARL NASSIB - PENN STATE

84 DT  ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON - OHIO STATE

85 DT  MATT IOANNIDIS - TEMPLE

86 CB  RASHARD ROBINSON - LSU

87 TE  NICK VANNETT - OHIO STATE

88 S  JEREMY CASH - DUKE

89 TE  AUSTIN HOOPER - STANFORD

90 S  VONN BELL - OHIO STATE

91 S  MILES KILLEBREW - SOUTHERN UTAH

92 RB  DEVONTAE BOOKER - UTAH

93 RB  ALEX COLLINS - ARKANSAS

94 OLB  JORDAN JENKINS - GEORGIA

95 ILB  JOSHUA PERRY - OHIO STATE

96 QB  CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG - PENN STATE

97 QB  DAK PRESCOTT - MISS. STATE

98 G  VADAL ALEXANDER - LSU

99 S  JAYRON KEARSE - CLEMSON

100 C  JACK ALLEN - MICHIGAN STATE

101 S  DEANDRE HOUSTON-CARSON - WILLIAM & MARY

102 S  SEAN DAVIS - MARYLAND

103 G  DARRELL GREENE - SAN DIEGO STATE

104 DE  AARON WALLACE - UCLA

105 ILB  KENTRELL BROTHERS - MISSOURI

106 OT  LA'RAVEN CLARK - TEXAS TECH

107 G  CONNOR MCGOVERN - MISSOURI

108 RB  KELVIN TAYLOR - FLORIDA

109 OT  JOE HAEG - NORTH DAKOTA STATE

110 CB  WILL REDMOND - MISS. STATE

111 OLB  KYLER FACKRELL - UTAH STATE

112 CB  JUSTON BURRIS - NC STATE

113 WR  RASHARD HIGGINS - COLORADO STATE

114 CB  ERIC MURRAY - MINNESOTA

115 WR  KENNY LAWLER - CALIFORNIA

116 CB  JAMES BRADBERRY - SAMFORD

117 DT  JAVON HARGRAVE - SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

118 DE  CHARLES TAPPER - OKLAHOMA

119 S  DEIONDRE HALL - NORTHERN IOWA

120 DE  JAMES COWSER - SOUTHERN UTAH

121 S  TYVIS POWELL - OHIO STATE

122 G  SEBASTIAN TRETOLA - ARKANSAS

123 OT  WILLIE BEAVERS - WESTERN MICHIGAN

124 DE  RONALD BLAIR - APPALACHIAN ST

125 TE  TYLER HIGBEE - WESTERN KENTUCKY

126 TE  DEVON CAJUSTE - STANFORD

127 WR  HUNTER SHARP - UTAH STATE

128 G  JOE DAHL - WASHINGTON ST

129 QB  BRANDON ALLEN - ARKANSAS

130 QB  CARDALE JONES - OHIO STATE

131 ILB  DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER - OKLAHOMA

132 OLB  JOE SCHOBERT - WISCONSIN

133 OLB  DEION JONES - LSU

134 RB  KEITH MARSHALL - GEORGIA

135 RB  TYLER ERVIN - SAN JOSE STATE

136 RB  CJ PROSISE - NOTRE DAME

137 WR  DEMARCUS ROBINSON - FLORIDA

138 WR  JALIN MARSHALL - OHIO STATE

139 RB  PEYTON BARBER - AUBURN

140 RB  KENYAN DRAKE - ALABAMA

141 WR  TAJAE SHARPE - UMASS

142 CB  D.J. WHITE - GEORGIA TECH

143 WR  DANIEL BRAVERMAN - WESTERN MICHIGAN

144 CB  CYRUS JONES - ALABAMA

145 WR  AARON BURBRIDGE - MICHIGAN STATE

146 CB  MAURICE CANADY - VIRGINIA

147 WR  CAYLEB JONES - ARIZONA

148 CB  DARYL WORLEY - WEST VIRGINIA

149 DE  BRONSON KAUFUSI - BYU

150 WR  MALCOLM MITCHELL - GEORGIA

151 OLB  SCOOBY WRIGHT - ARIZONA

152 RB  JONATHAN WILLIAMS - ARKANSAS

153 WR  NELSON SPRUCE - COLORADO

154 OT  BRANDON SHELL - SOUTH CAROLINA

155 S  K.J. DILLON - WEST VIRGINIA

156 DE  SHAWN OAKMAN - BAYLOR

157 OLB  DADI NICOLAS - VIRGINIA TECH

158 WR  JAY LEE - BAYLOR

159 C  GRAHAM GLASGOW - MICHIGAN

160 G  DOMENICK JACKSON - ALABAMA

161 K  ROBERTO AGUAYO - FLORIDA STATE

162 C  EVAN BOEHM - MISSOURI

163 S  KEVIN BYARD - MIDDLE TENN STATE

164 DE  VICTOR OCHI - STONY BROOK

165 OLB  YANNICK NGAKOUE - MARYLAND

166 OT  KYLE MURPHY - STANFORD

167 DE  MATT JUDON - GRAND VALLEY

168 TE  THOMAS DUARTE - UCLA

169 P  DREW KASER - TEXAS A&M

170 TE  BEAU SANDLAND - MONTANA STATE

171 WR  CHRIS MOORE - CINCINNATI

172 TE  BEN BRAUNECKER - HARVARD

173 C  COLE TONER - HARVARD

174 S  JORDAN LUCAS - PENN STATE

175 QB  JACOBY BRISSETT - NC STATE

176 TE  JAKE MCGEE - FLORIDA

177 S  JUSTIN SIMMONS - BOSTON COLLEGE

178 QB  KEVIN HOGAN - STANFORD

179 DT  D.J. READER - CLEMSON

180 QB  JEFF DRISKEL - LOUISIANA TECH

181 ILB  DEVONDRE CAMPBELL - MINNESOTA

182 QB  NATE SUDFELD - INDIANA

183 G  AVERY YOUNG - AUBURN

184 WR  KEYARRIS GARRETT - TULSA

185 ILB  BENIQUEZ BROWN - MISS. STATE

186 QB  CODY KESSLER - USC

187 OT  SPENCER DRANGO - BAYLOR

188 OLB  ALEX MCCALISTER - FLORIDA

189 ILB  ANTONIO MORRISON - FLORIDA

190 ILB  TYLER MATAKEVICH - TEMPLE

191 RB  DEANDRE WASHINGTON - TEXAS TECH

192 OT  DOMINIQUE ROBERTSON - WEST GEORGIA

193 OLB  NICK VIGIL - UTAH STATE

194 RB  JOSH FERGUSON - ILLINOIS

195 OT  ALEX LEWIS - NEBRASKA

196 OLB  TERRANCE SMITH - FSU

197 OT  JOHN THEUS - GEORGIA

198 CB  ANTHONY BROWN - PURDUE

199 CB  LESHAUN SIMS - SOUTHERN UTAH

200 C ISAAC SEUMALO, OREGON STATE

 

201 C  MAX TUERK - USC

294 WR  KOLBY LISTENBEE - TCU

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8 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

How have you not weighed in on the NFLPA/Brady overruling?!  I expect at least a meme and some very opinionated opinions.

 

I can't take it anymore. It's been 16 months now.

 

I could have dropped a meme, though... my bad.

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4. 126. Kansas City @MTC(on the clock)

4. 127. New England Chicago @CheezyColt

4. 128. Arizona - @NorthernBlue

4. 129. Carolina - @danlhart87

4. 130. Denver Baltimore @21isSuperman

4. 131. Green Bay (Compensatory Selection) - @chelsea_fc

4. 132. Baltimore (Compensatory Selection) - @21isSuperman

4. 133. San Francisco (Compensatory Selection) - @jvan1973

4. 134. Baltimore (Compensatory Selection) - @21isSuperman

4. 135. Dallas (Compensatory Selection) - @stitches

4. 136. Denver (Compensatory Selection) - @PureLuck

4. 137. Green Bay (Compensatory Selection) - @chelsea_fc

4. 138. Cleveland (Compensatory Selection) - @Dustin

4. 139. Buffalo (Compensatory Selection) - @ColtsBleedBlue

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