Womens group want sponsors cut ties with Peyton

[bayone]

47 minutes ago, Nadine said:

Do they want him to return all his sponsorship income too?  Or maybe he should just give it to them?

 

This is silly.  Demanding this because as it happens you just found out about it? This is bandwagon jumping and pretty vindictive bandwagon jumping at that.

 

Nothing more than an opportunity to be in the spotlight.

 

If you really care about sexual harassment, you don't go after something like this 20 years after it happened. You go after the 'no names' at UT that were part of allowing this culture which, actually sounds very real.

 

I don't think for a second that Peyton Manning was the problem at the UT.  A single act (whatever it was) does not make him a sexual harasser.  And they'll never really know what really happened because it's closed and settled and they know it.

 

He's a convenient, high profile target.  I hate the world sometimes. People are so nasty in pursuit of their own agenda.

 

 

plus her story changed while at UT she never said Peyton actually touched her

 

then think was in 2003 for a different suit  she said he  sat on her face & she had to reach up & push him off  

 

[Nadine]

19 minutes ago, bayone said:

 

plus her story changed while at UT she never said Peyton actually touched her

 

then think was in 2003 for a different suit  she said he  sat on her face & she had to reach up & push him off  

 

It doesn't even matter.  This is over and closed and not indicative of him being a sexual harasser.  He's got 20 years of history outside of UT with zero issues.  He's a dad and a husband and a generous donor to the community.  He doesn't deserve to be made the poster boy for sexual harassment just because he's famous.

 

This group calling for his demise should be ashamed.  And they should be called out for not going after the real issues at UT, for example the two cases awaiting trial right now on rape charges.

 

I'll be watching for what they do there.  It's not ok to harass and trash someone just because you think it will advance your cause.  Despicable

[Gramz]

1 minute ago, Nadine said:

It doesn't even matter.  This is over and closed and not indicative of him being a sexual harasser.  He's got 20 years of history outside of UT with zero issues.  He's a dad and a husband and a generous donor to the community.  He doesn't deserve to be made the poster boy for sexual harassment just because he's famous.

 

This group calling for his demise should be ashamed.  And they should be called out for not going after the real issues at UT, for example the two cases awaiting trial right now on rape charges.

 

I'll be watching for what they do there.  It's not ok to harass and trash someone just because you think it will advance your cause.  Despicable

Spot on.

[Nadine]

Just now, Mrs. Misunderstood said:

Spot on.

And they call themselves a 'womens group'

That ticks me off because they are doing this in the name of my gender.  I think they are just as bad as sexual harassers.  They want what they want and it doesn't matter who it hurts.

[RockThatBlue]

7 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4695189-ulraviolet-womens-rights-group-peyton-manning-sponsors-sexual-assault-tennessee-jamie-naughtright

 

 

Meh. Who cares what some probably stuck up feminist group wants? 

[RockThatBlue]

5 hours ago, FanFromtheWasteland said:

Granted that is possible but I still say this goes deeper than defending a young pup being criticized for acting like a jerk because he lost.

Shaun King is a huge bigot. He's mad that the white QB won the super bowl. 

[jvan1973]

3 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

Thirteen years ago, USA Today obtained 74 pages of explosive court documents on Peyton Manning, Archie Manning

 Are you too lazy to read this or just can`t understand it?
 The settlement was private but he is reporting about what is the PUBLIC RECORD.
  Ya Boy!!
 

Not explosive court documents.  A 74 page brief from HER lawyers

[ruksak]

The concept of Civil Rights is nothing but a toy in the hands of the Millennial generation. 

[chad72]

2 hours ago, Nadine said:

Do they want him to return all his sponsorship income too?  Or maybe he should just give it to them?

 

This is silly.  Demanding this because as it happens you just found out about it? This is bandwagon jumping and pretty vindictive bandwagon jumping at that.

 

Nothing more than an opportunity to be in the spotlight.

 

If you really care about sexual harassment, you don't go after something like this 20 years after it happened. You go after the 'no names' at UT that were part of allowing this culture which, actually sounds very real.

 

I don't think for a second that Peyton Manning was the problem at the UT.  A single act (whatever it was) does not make him a sexual harasser.  And they'll never really know what really happened because it's closed and settled and they know it.

 

He's a convenient, high profile target.  I hate the world sometimes. People are so nasty in pursuit of their own agenda.

 

 

Well said Nadine. Absolutely well said. 

 

If I had a skeleton in my closet, the only reason someone is not coming after me when I get some place high socially is because I am not worth it, period. If you are up there in social and economic status, and are at the top of a few mountains, people will continue to throw things at you and hope something sticks. That is the world we live in. So people at the top of the mountains, whether they are guilty or innocent, will always be held to a different standard than the ones in the foothills. That is just the way it goes. 

But until someone brings this issue back up in court personally vs Peyton, I will hold my judgement. Shedding new light and propaganda is not bringing new evidence. Innocent until proven guilty, they say, and not the other way around. However, social media works differently, it seems like. Sometimes, our young children just have to take to the social media to defend themselves against cyber bullying and slander, even if they had no part in starting it, that is the age we live in. This is just an adult extension on a larger scale.

[chad72]

2 minutes ago, ruksak said:

The concept of Civil Rights is nothing but a toy in the hands of the "sue happy" Millennial generation. 

There, fixed it for ya. 

[bayone]

1 hour ago, Nadine said:

It doesn't even matter.  This is over and closed and not indicative of him being a sexual harasser.  He's got 20 years of history outside of UT with zero issues.  He's a dad and a husband and a generous donor to the community.  He doesn't deserve to be made the poster boy for sexual harassment just because he's famous.

 

This group calling for his demise should be ashamed.  And they should be called out for not going after the real issues at UT, for example the two cases awaiting trial right now on rape charges.

 

I'll be watching for what they do there.  It's not ok to harass and trash someone just because you think it will advance your cause.  Despicable

 

15 minutes ago, ruksak said:

The concept of Civil Rights is nothing but a toy in the hands of the Millennial generation. 

 

25 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Not explosive court documents.  A 74 page brief from HER lawyers

 

12 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Well said Nadine. Absolutely well said. 

 

 

 

 Bill Polian: There's a smear campaign going on against Peyton Manning

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25487718/bill-polian-theres-a-smear-campaign-going-on-against-peyton-manning

[Nadine]

22 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Shedding new light and propaganda is not bringing new evidence. Innocent until proven guilty, they say, and not the other way around. However, social media works differently, it seems like. Sometimes, our young children just have to take to the social media to defend themselves against cyber bullying and slander, even if they had no part in starting it, that is the age we live in. This is just an adult extension on a larger scale.

 

Yeah we have serious things that happen and nobody cares.  But if it is an opportunity to tear someone down, whether they are at the top or the bottom of the social heirarchy, whether they are likable or not, we all need to use our common sense and not give into the 'joy' of trashing someone.

 

This is the world we live in, this is creepy.  People enjoy trashing people for the fun of it or because they think it advances a cause that they believe in or because it benefits them or they don't feel bad trashing someone else because they've been hurt so badly.

 

But we all have a moral compass and well all know wrong when we see it it. I believe that.  I know that about people.  They know when things are right and when  things are just wrong.

 

I don't think Peyton Manning is perfect, I don't' think anyone is.  And I don't think he's exempt from judgments on his poor behavior.  But I think he resolved that. They both did.  They continue to take jabs at each other and they shouldn't.  But they do.  We don't know why. But some of us think we do.

 

I don't want to trash the woman involved either because I don't know her either.  But if this was resolved, why is is being used to tear him down down?  It feels vindictive and really causing damage because he is so high profile right now.

 

It feels creepy and trips my moral compass.  I hope this is not our off season.

 

[Nadine]

26 minutes ago, ruksak said:

The concept of Civil Rights is nothing but a toy in the hands of the Millennial generation. 

My dad would always trash the millennials but my kids are millennials and they are first rate and so are their friends and cousins.   And I know a number of the greatest generation who are questionable and have done horrible things so, I don't buy this.

 

Mean-spirited self centered behavior is equally spread across the generations.

[Nadine]

25 minutes ago, bayone said:

 

 

 

 

 Bill Polian: There's a smear campaign going on against Peyton Manning

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25487718/bill-polian-theres-a-smear-campaign-going-on-against-peyton-manning

I agree with this

Quote

"First of all, Peyton Manning has absolutely nothing, zero to do with the Title IX investigation or alleged violations at Tennessee," Polian said. "Absolutely nothing. And to conflate the two would be absolutely wrong, and we all know it's going to happen. So let's get that right up front that he has absolutely nothing to do with whatever has happened at the University of Tennessee in this last little while."

 

It just doesn't have anything to do with the issues at Tennessee except as evidence of a long standing issue there.  I do think that it does support that

 

[DougDew]

Nags

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

Thirteen years ago, USA Today obtained 74 pages of explosive court documents on Peyton Manning, Archie Manning

 Are you too lazy to read this or just can`t understand it?
 The settlement was private but he is reporting about what is the PUBLIC RECORD.
  Ya Boy!!
 

I read it. Old news.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Not explosive court documents.  A 74 page brief from HER lawyers

Yeah I know, real explosive  

[BloodyChamp]

I missed the locked thread but here's my short version opinion. I think Peyton did it, I just don't think it's that big a deal. 

[ColtsSouljah]

7 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said:

I missed the locked thread but here's my short version opinion. I think Peyton did it, I just don't think it's that big a deal. 

 

No offense, but that type of commentary is what is making a mess of this whole situation. You think he did WHAT? What HE said or what SHE said? Their stories are night and day and there is very, very good reason to not believe her.
Do you really want to be part of encouraging people to believe Peyton did this just because you "think" he did it? I think anyone (and especially someone who has shown such high character) deserves the very opposite (innocent until proven guilty).
You can still read through the comments on the locked thread. Some of us pointed out the many problems with the accusations against Peyton. I would encourage you to read through it.

[BloodyChamp]

We've all known about it for almost 20 years. Stop it.

[The Peytonator]

2 hours ago, ruksak said:

The concept of Civil Rights is nothing but a toy in the hands of the Millennial generation. 

 

 

They have nothing to complain about so they make stuff up in their minds to make themselves feel special. It's what happens when you combine their educators, the baby boomers who teach them all about the oppression that they're facing, with their entitled attitudes brought on by years of coddling and telling them how amazing they are. 

[Blue Swagger]

18 minutes ago, ColtsSouljah said:

 

No offense, but that type of commentary is what is making a mess of this whole situation. You think he did WHAT? What HE said or what SHE said? Their stories are night and day and there is very, very good reason to not believe her.
Do you really want to be part of encouraging people to believe Peyton did this just because you "think" he did it? I think anyone (and especially someone who has shown such high character) deserves the very opposite (innocent until proven guilty).
You can still read through the comments on the locked thread. Some of us pointed out the many problems with the accusations against Peyton. I would encourage you to read through it.

You are forgetting that there was a witness to the event.  And he said that Peyton didn't tell the truth in '96 nor when he published his book.

 

The trainer is untrustworthy also.  She probably lied also.  But something bad happened in that training room 

[southwest1]

Man, the NFL off season just started pretty much & I'm get sick & tired of these women's groups & a journalist in Mr. King who was just an aspiring writer who couldn't hang with professional reporters slinging mud at Peyton. It was 20 freaking years ago people. Let it go already. Jesus. 

 

And what's with this lady tied to Lance Armstrong? Who cares lady? Get a life please...Peyton is not a habitual liar & doper like Lance was. Peyton is in a whole different stratosphere of talent & integrity. Lay off...

[Nadine]

lets not rehash things we don't know.  This is about the women's group making demands

[jvan1973]

22 minutes ago, Blue Swagger said:

You are forgetting that there was a witness to the event.  And he said that Peyton didn't tell the truth in '96 nor when he published his book.

 

The trainer is untrustworthy also.  She probably lied also.  But something bad happened in that training room 

No,   there wasn't a witness.   Only a player that said Peyton didn't moon him.   He never said he saw peyton sit on her head

[Blue Swagger]

24 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

No,   there wasn't a witness.   Only a player that said Peyton didn't moon him.   He never said he saw peyton sit on her head

I agree.  Except there was a witness.  The witness did not say Peyton sat on her head.  He only tells Peyton to admit to what he did, own up to what he did and to own up to what he said in his book.

 

I don't believe that he sat on her head.  This witness seems credible and would have mentioned that if it happened in my opinion.

[southwest1]

14 minutes ago, Nadine said:

lets not rehash things we don't know.  This is about the women's group making demands

Here's what we do know: The incident in occurred back in 1996. It's now 2016. That's plenty of time to get the Tennessee District Attorney involved. I suspect there was nothing there from a sexual misconduct perspective to prosecute. The statute of limitations has long since passed anyway. 

 

I don't believe a word of what Jamie or Mr. King says. They just want money. Plain & simple. 

 

I'm just perplexed that the women's groups in question think that this is the best way to exert their influence & deplete their resources in the 21st Century. Enough said. 

[southwest1]

1 hour ago, The Peytonator said:

 

 

They have nothing to complain about so they make stuff up in their minds to make themselves feel special. It's what happens when you combine their educators, the baby boomers who teach them all about the oppression that they're facing, with their entitled attitudes brought on by years of coddling and telling them how amazing they are. 

Bingo! It's basic jealousy & envy over a celebrity who has more fame & money then they will ever see in their lifetime. Plus, isn't this woman an athletic trainer or specialist anyway? Is this the 1st naked butt she has ever seen? I highly doubt it. 

 

Even if I accepted the reality of horseplay that went over the line for a brief moment, I judge Peyton Manning on how he carried himself his whole football career not a tiny blip on the radar screen that happened when he was 18 or 19. Does Manning have a history of treating women inappropriately? No, of course not. Peyton's respectful to everybody including numerous female sideline reporters at NFL games. This whole controversy is just ridiculous. 

[oldunclemark]

   The logic that Peyton should not be a sponsor for things NOW because of an incident that was

   settled 13 years ago is not logic.

   Does not 20 years play in the NFL and a generation of good deeds off the field matter?

   He was wrong...but  he's shown he's a quality guy

 

   This women's rights group needs to look at Peyton's entire life and see what he has stood for off the field.

  He could be used to bring attention to sexual harassment and he would probably help if he could

   I hope Papa John's and Nationwide stand by him ...

.....he has been the sports face of their companies for years...loyalty matters

  They need to stand by him

 

 

[ReMeDy]

6 hours ago, Jhaze55 said:

What I really don't understand is why all the backlash is coming out right now. This happened when he was in college, not today. 

 

Sure, if it happened Peyton should be reprimanded, but I cant shake the feeling that all this attention is happening because his team just won the Superbowl.

 

I think the main thing is the prevalence of Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, cell phones, etc. is making it more viral. Back in 1997, we didn't have "social apps," and if you wanted to get on the Internet, you better hope you were on a fax line, otherwise if the unruly parents wanted to use the phones, you were boned.

 

I remember when I got broadband. First thing I asked the Comcast tech was, "So how do I dial in to the Internet?" He says, "You don't." I said, "Get out.."

[oldunclemark]

3 hours ago, bayone said:

 

 

 

 

 Bill Polian: There's a smear campaign going on against Peyton Manning

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25487718/bill-polian-theres-a-smear-campaign-going-on-against-peyton-manning

This is what I expect people who know Peyton to say.

the Tennessee lawsuit may certainly have validity but it was cheap to drag Peyton into it ...as if locker room

  harassment is the same as players forcing themselves on women or striking them in anger.

  I'm pretty sad about this as I know a lot of folks here are because it smears a proven good man

  who was a immature boy at one time..

 

And the original incident is so minor. If folks analyzed my teen years I'd still be doing time at the gray bar motel

 

[oldunclemark]

By the way, the lawyer in the Title 9 suit against the University of Tennessee says that the suit is NOT about Manning,. he was just mentioned in one paragraph to suggest the beginning of a pattern of behavior by UT.

 

...I wish that was being reported

[southwest1]

You wanna know what the funny thing is? [Funny ironic not funny humorous]. I expect bad publicity stories to land on the SB losing QB's doorstep not the guy who hoists the trophy & sees the confetti fall. 

 

I also wonder why the media always initially takes the accuser's side never asking them to justify their credibility first? Like why the hades should I take a random person's word over someone who I have built up a long history with from a distance as a loyal fan? 

 

And then, when the false accuser loses, we drop the matter entirely. Why isn't the person who drew the short straw ever held accountable & raked over the coals for wasting everybody's time & tarnishing an icon's good name for no good reason other than pure selfishness? It royally ticks me off. 

[NFLfan]

6 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

By the way, the lawyer in the Title 9 suit against the University of Tennessee says that the suit is NOT about Manning,. he was just mentioned in one paragraph to suggest the beginning of a pattern of behavior by UT.

 

...I wish that was being reported

 

I wrote about this in another thread. Here is the article I read:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/lawyer-title-ix-case-focus-ut-peyton-manning-36986623

 

Quote:

"The lawyer for six women suing the University of Tennessee over its handling of sexual assault complaints by student-athletes is focused on what he considers the school's systemic problems and is surprised at the attention the complaint's brief mention of Peyton Manning generated.

"It's certainly unanticipated," attorney David Randolph Smith said.

Smith said he included events from the last two decades — one involved Manning in 1996 — to show how Tennessee has handled reports of misconduct.

"We included one small paragraph about the Manning situation in the complaint, just as part of the overall background and history," Smith said.

"Peyton Manning is not a party to our lawsuit," he added. "All these reports that say he's in the lawsuit, well he's referenced, but it's part of the historical" background.  "

[oldunclemark]

Thanks,  NFL ....I did not see your post...

....This lawyer clearly didn't want to bad mouth Manning

 

[BloodyChamp]

Let me rephrase/clarify - I think something bad happened. That's usually how these things go. Look at Jameis, Big Ben, even my favorite Mr Favre...none of them did exactly what their accuser said they did but they obviously did something bad, which brings somebody whether it's the original accuser or not to try and make it out like they did what the worst case scenario would be in that situation. 

 

Meanwhile when somebody in a sports scandal is totally innocent, it usually comes out in the wash like the Duke LaCrosse thing or the Bruce Jenner thing (the wreck not the other thing lol!).

 

Trying to get to the bottom of it is pointless imo. This will go away, as it should, and Peyton will try to deal with the trauma through his millions of dollars, millions of fans, millions of records and 2 SB rings.

[oldunclemark]

24 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said:

Let me rephrase/clarify - I think something bad happened. That's usually how these things go. Look at Jameis, Big Ben, even my favorite Mr Favre...none of them did exactly what their accuser said they did but they obviously did something bad, which brings somebody whether it's the original accuser or not to try and make it out like they did what the worst case scenario would be in that situation. 

 

Meanwhile when somebody in a sports scandal is totally innocent, it usually comes out in the wash like the Duke LaCrosse thing or the Bruce Jenner thing (the wreck not the other thing lol!).

 

Trying to get to the bottom of it is pointless imo. This will go away, as it should, and Peyton will try to deal with the trauma through his millions of dollars, millions of fans, millions of records and 2 SB rings.

All true, BC..

..and there is nothing in it for Peyton or the woman in question to comment on this further...as much as

Skip Bayless or Christine Brennan might want them to.

  If Peyton was thinking about playing again, this isn't helping in any way...

He's pretty private.   I think he's hurting because his entire career is being ignored to dwell on fairly common locker room misbehaving...He's got to feel blindsided..

 

...he was never going to be a TV football commentor but any front office career will have to wait now.

  I wanted to see him QB the Rams return to LA....or join JJ Watt in Houston.

Seems like a longshot now

[southwest1]

I just skimmed Jamie Naughright's deposition relating to the 1996 incident & her resentment toward Peyton Manning. Here's what I got out of it: 

 

--Jamie alleges that Peyton made inappropriate comments about her appearance specifically her cleavage.

 

--Jamie also claims that Peyton claims she slept around a lot with athletes under her jurisdiction & that she preferred to have several interracial encounters with students she was overseeing. 

 

--Jamie is quite irate about being labeled a person who swears a lot & has a crude & vulgar mouth that Manning is uncomfortable with. She's upset that Peyton inferred that she has a sailor mouth & is totally unprofessional in an institution of higher learning in the book Peyton & Archie wrote together. 

 

So, what's the basis of her lawsuit against the University of Tennessee exactly? That Peyton created an unsavory work environment thru saying inappropriate comments about her potty mouth, promiscuousness, & praising the fact that she was born well endowed? 

 

Okay, I will give you that comments about a woman's anatomy should remain private, but maybe this athletic trainer did cross the line as a person in a position of authority using her stature at the university to sleep with students she should have never had intercourse with. It sounds to me like Jamie didn't like being portrayed as woman who used her body to gain satisfaction & favor among athletes in a way that was anything but a professional one. 

 

I don't hold Peyton responsible for being crude. Hades, we have all said to our friends in confidence when we think a woman is pretty & stacked. It's sexist yes, but it happens everywhere in society in private.

[oldunclemark]

  sw........I think you are drifting closer to the unspoken truth here.

....the day of this incident could not have been their first interaction...

......and Peyton was behaving in a way that many do in a locker room....

 

...Calling this sexual assault is very misleading.....and both sides may have escalated this incident far beyond the initial mis behaving

[Superman]

10 hours ago, Thewholefnshow28 said:

 

Google Shaun King and you will see why it makes sense that is why he wrote the piece.  He is a big civil rights activist and is well known for his work in the Black Lives Matter movement.  This is solely about him being upset that Cam was treated poorly and Manning is beloved. I am sure he assumes that Cam is being treated poorly not because he acted like a petulant child up there, but because he was black.  Peyton is treated well and with kid gloves because he is white and he wrote this piece to tear him down.

 

Shaun King is more accurately described as a race baiting liar, thief and fraud. Calling him a civil rights activist is an insult to honorable people who have given of themselves in service to others. King has only taken from others in service of himself.