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Accustomed to being a Perennial SB Contender

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I'm so used to the Colts being a SB contender (except for when Peyton was out). Regardless of what the Colts' weaknesses were, getting to the playoffs was nearly automatic. Colts fans have been very fortunate over the last several seasons. We weren't always favored to win the SB, but had a very good shot at an appearance. At least we'll have a healthy Andrew Luck next season. Of course, we're not numerically out as of yet, but our chances are slim at this point. Looking at our standing/wins vs losses is surreal.

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As we got the stuffing beat  out of us in the 1st round so many times, we really were NOT SB contenders many of those years. but we sure did have a Great record in our Division!
 

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33 minutes ago, 18Manning said:

I'm so used to the Colts being a SB contender (except for when Peyton was out). Regardless of what the Colts' weaknesses were, getting to the playoffs was nearly automatic. Colts fans have been very fortunate over the last several seasons. We weren't always favored to win the SB, but had a very good shot at an appearance. At least we'll have a healthy Andrew Luck next season. Of course, we're not numerically out as of yet, but our chances are slim at this point. Looking at our standing/wins vs losses is surreal.

We are a spoiled fanbase. I almost felt good for Texans fans yesterday (no not really, just kidding). If you look at our last 20 seasons we have been in 5 AFCCG's = 1995, 2003, 06, 09, 2014/2 SB's = 2006, 09/and have won 1 SB which we won that not even 10 years ago. Also we have only missed the Playoffs in 1997, 1998, 2001, and 2011. Only 4 times over the last 20 seasons. 2 decades of Very Good to Great Football in reality. It just wasn't meant to be this season. Those accomplishments aren't all Peyton's doings either as Harbaugh and Andrew have made Title Games.

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42 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

As we got the stuffing beat  out of us in the 1st round so many times, we really were NOT SB contenders many of those years. but we sure did have a Great record in our Division!
 

 

Sure, we did go out in the first round in some of those. But, we had a legitimate shot in some as well. Despite our weaknesses even this season, we were considered to be one of a few favorites to win the SB. Point is, we have still had a very good team many seasons regardless of how far we advanced.

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37 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We are a spoiled fanbase. I almost felt good for Texans fans yesterday (no not really, just kidding). If you look at our last 20 seasons we have been in 5 AFCCG's = 1995, 2003, 06, 09, 2014/2 SB's = 2006, 09/and have won 1 SB which we won that not even 10 years ago. Also we have only missed the Playoffs in 1997, 1998, 2001, and 2011. Only 4 times over the last 20 seasons. 2 decades of Very Good to Great Football in reality. It just wasn't meant to be this season. Those accomplishments aren't all Peyton's doings either as Harbaugh and Andrew have made Title Games.

 

IMO, this alone is a good indication of how good the Colts have been over 20 seasons. Blown out, or a close loss, Colts made it to the top 2 in the AFC.

 

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3 minutes ago, Pagano's Realtor said:

There is difference between making the playoffs and being a "contender". The Colts haven't been a legit contender since 2009.

 

Not being a "contender" once you make the playoffs doesn't mean there's no chance you'll win the SB. Any team making the playoffs has a chance to win. Some have a better chance than others, of course. Among many Colts fans, the Colts weren't a "contender" in their mind this season, yet Vegas had the Colts as a top favorite to win among only a couple/few others.

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Lets not spend any time tearing down the years under Peyton. Its a non factor in the issue we have now. 

 

It is defeating to criticize past debacles. With Peyton we got a title which is the first Major League title in our cities history  (No offense to the ABA)

 

Our current house is build on sand and we need to build a foundation of a solid offensive line and defense 

 

We have all the tools on offense to compete for a title but without the two items above we will always fail to the contenders 

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It doesn't matter. prepare for all the whiny, spoiled, know it all fans to shoot all of that down. people don't realize how hard it is to win, at anything. it gets rough but we've had a lot more winning Sundays than losing ones watching the team, and have witnessed them win a super bowl, so I have no complaints. Love the team..

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3 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

Lets not spend any time tearing down the years under Peyton. Its a non factor in the issue we have now. 

 

It is defeating to criticize past debacles. With Peyton we got a title which is the first Major League title in our cities history  (No offense to the ABA)

 

Our current house is build on sand and we need to build a foundation of a solid offensive line and defense 

 

We have all the tools on offense to compete for a title but without the two items above we will always fail to the contenders 

 

Perhaps I should have titled my topic differently. Any team making the palyoffs is a contender. Some have better odds than others. I noted in my original post, the Colts weren't always favored to win the SB (but we were some times). I don't know that the Colts were favored to win the SB when they did, but the Colts were contenders (among the teams in the playoffs) and they won the SB. We have to first participate in the playoffs (as a contender) in order to advance to and win the SB. Regardless of our weaknesses, as I stated originally, we have been contenders. Once in the playoffs, anything can happen. Perhaps the odds are against, but you have a shot. Again, don't misinterpret "contender" as a favorite to win.

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I felt the same way. Colts fans finally know what it's like to be one of those middle of the pack teams that aren't absolute garbage like the Browns or '08 Lions, but aren't really that good.

 

You can't even count 2011 because the best QB in the NFL was out. This is the first time in 20 years the Colts have been "bad".

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27 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

Lets not spend any time tearing down the years under Peyton. Its a non factor in the issue we have now. 

 

It is defeating to criticize past debacles. With Peyton we got a title which is the first Major League title in our cities history  (No offense to the ABA)

 

Our current house is build on sand and we need to build a foundation of a solid offensive line and defense 

 

We have all the tools on offense to compete for a title but without the two items above we will always fail to the contenders 

 

I agree with this.

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1 hour ago, 18Manning said:

 

Not being a "contender" once you make the playoffs doesn't mean there's no chance you'll win the SB. Any team making the playoffs has a chance to win. Some have a better chance than others, of course. Among many Colts fans, the Colts weren't a "contender" in their mind this season, yet Vegas had the Colts as a top favorite to win among only a couple/few others.

 

Yeah, but Vegas also adjusts their odds based on public perception so they don't lose their butts if that team does manage to go on a roll. Teams that sign a bunch of big names, like the Colts did, are often heavily overrated by the public so their future odds are more reflective of public perception rather than what the casino actually believes those odds to be. Yeah there is a "chance" for any team that enters the playoffs but no one is about to put their life savings on the Texans or Washington this year, are they?

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11 minutes ago, Pagano's Realtor said:

 

Yeah, but Vegas also adjusts their odds based on public perception so they don't lose their butts if that team does manage to go on a roll. Teams that sign a bunch of big names, like the Colts did, are often heavily overrated by the public so their future odds are more reflective of public perception rather than what the casino actually believes those odds to be. Yeah there is a "chance" for any team that enters the playoffs but no one is about to put their life savings on the Texans or Washington this year, are they?

 

I know Vegas odds are affected by public perception and betting trends. But they start somewhere and then adjust from there. And I did say some teams have a better chance than others (I would not bet on the Texans or Washington). I wouldn't put the typical Colts team in the same class as either of those teams. Most seasons, the Colts would have been near the other end of the scale among contenders. Would you have bet on the Colts the year they won the SB? Up until they hit the playoffs, it wasn't looking so good. Yet they won the SB. It wasn't a long shot, just not favorites. The Colts have been a good team for a long time with a shot at winning a SB for many seasons. Some seasons more favorable than others.

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I find it disgusting personally. 

 

We have a very solid organization with a great group of guys and I am of the opinion that you need to appreciate what you have, so when its good you actually enjoy it, and when its bad you don't annoy everyone with your negativity.

 

The way people are treating Chuck right now goes to show you that all the ChuckStrong stuff was just nonsense. You can be unhappy and want a change without being a classless *about it. Have respect. That goes for you as well Greg Doyle. As far as I am concerned, not many people have done the things chuck has done for Indy so if you are one of them you better treat that man with the upmost respect. If you wont then go f yourself. These guys are in a pretty tough business. Its a lot harder than my job I know that.

 

And before somebody comes in and says "if this were NY"......I don't want us to be like NY because we aren't NY and never will be NY. I want us to be reasonable educated fans who enjoy the sport for the right reasons and respect the guys who play and coach here. And I would especially like our fans to treat class acts like Chuck Pagano well, even if we have to let him go to get where we want to go. Because that is how it should be. He has done a lot of charity in this city.....how much have you done? None? Then STHU and go find something productive to do.

 

We've missed the playoffs 4 times in 20 years and people talk about that like its a failure? Go ask Texans fans if they think the Colts are a failure. I bet they dream of the Texans having that kind of success.

 

I think it mostly comes down to jealousy of the Patriots and what they've accomplished. Since they have won more than us all the sudden our accomplishments don't count. Since they have beaten us, we suck and they are great. I say we've beaten them more than most other teams and we will beat them again real soon.

 

If you don't like the Colts you could always root for the Bears, Lions, Browns or Bengals.  Please go annoy their die hard fans instead of us. Thank you.

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1 hour ago, 18Manning said:

 

Perhaps I should have titled my topic differently. Any team making the palyoffs is a contender. Some have better odds than others. I noted in my original post, the Colts weren't always favored to win the SB (but we were some times). I don't know that the Colts were favored to win the SB when they did, but the Colts were contenders (among the teams in the playoffs) and they won the SB. We have to first participate in the playoffs (as a contender) in order to advance to and win the SB. Regardless of our weaknesses, as I stated originally, we have been contenders. Once in the playoffs, anything can happen. Perhaps the odds are against, but you have a shot. Again, don't misinterpret "contender" as a favorite to win.

I agree 100%. The Giants in 2011 went 9-7 and nobody thought they would win a Playoff game. All they did was take out 15-1 Rodgers and 14-2 Tommy. I definitely think we were a contender last season, we just ran into a machine named the Patriots in Foxboro. Last season at 11-5 we swept the 9-7 Texans, beat the Ravens who were Very Good, and beat the Bengals and won at Broncos in the Playoffs.

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I remember in 2001 the Colts went 6-10 and (I was on the IndyStar forum then) and the majority of people were saying things like:  The Colts need to fire the coaching staff, the Colts need a new GM (Polian had not done a good job of fielding an NFL roster, especially because the previous season he had spent a 1st round pick on a WR when there were so many other "obvious" needs.  The WR was Reggie Wayne, btw).  I distinctly remember people talking about the poor oline and how Saturday was not cutting it as an NFL center (IMO Holmes is the guy that should be center not Harrison), I also remember people talking about the wasted draft pick that was Ryan Diem because he struggled that first year at RG.  Even funnier is people wanted the Colts to get rid of Morris and keep Washington and Peterson.  The Colts kept Morris but did not try to sign Washington or Peterson when their contract expired.

 

Basically things are very similar to this year and fans were saying the same things.  Polian got rid of Mora and hired Dungy.  Dungy came in and revamped the D, kept the O the same and several of the players the fans wanted to get rid of had outstanding careers for the Colts.

 

I see the Colts doing a similar thing this offseason.  Bring in an experienced head coach that can help Grigson learn the ropes about player evaluation, revamp the D, they are just too old.. 30+ year olds at both safety spots, both ILB spots, all the rush LBers are 30+.  Let Luck and the young receivng corps grow into the group they can be.

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There were plenty of people who thought Manning and Dungy were too soft to win a title and they constantly said that right up until we won the SB.

 

They were saying it the year we won it too. We gave up over 300 yds rushing to Jax that season and nobody thought we were gonna go all the way.

 

That is why you always take your shot.

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On ‎12‎/‎21‎/‎2015 at 4:27 PM, 18Manning said:

 

I know Vegas odds are affected by public perception and betting trends. But they start somewhere and then adjust from there. And I did say some teams have a better chance than others (I would not bet on the Texans or Washington). I wouldn't put the typical Colts team in the same class as either of those teams. Most seasons, the Colts would have been near the other end of the scale among contenders. Would you have bet on the Colts the year they won the SB? Up until they hit the playoffs, it wasn't looking so good. Yet they won the SB. It wasn't a long shot, just not favorites. The Colts have been a good team for a long time with a shot at winning a SB for many seasons. Some seasons more favorable than others.

 

No disrespect to QwizBoy's team here. I don't know that you saw it, but wanted to say I wasn't dissing the Texans.

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30 minutes ago, 18Manning said:

 

No disrespect to QwizBoy's team here. I don't know that you saw it, but wanted to say I wasn't dissing the Texans.

I had the Texans as a 9-7 or 10-6 team before the season started and thought they would be a WildCard. I thought we would go 11-5 though and win the Division. After the Texans went 9-7 last season I didn't think they would drop off but either stay the same or improve.

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8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I had the Texans as a 9-7 or 10-6 team before the season started and thought they would be a WildCard. I thought we would go 11-5 though and win the Division. After the Texans went 9-7 last season I didn't think they would drop off but either stay the same or improve.

 

This season has been a big disappointment (unusual and not what was expected) for a few teams. Mostly due to injuries. At least, injuries played a big factor.  

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