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How do you guys feel like the Colts should approach the 2016 draft? I'm thinking pass rusher in the 1st round and O-line in the 2nd and 3rd. Maybe we get a running back early to be our long term bell cow with Frank nearing retirement? What are you guys' thoughts?

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I'm pretty much in agreement with this. I'd ideally like a pass rusher and 2 OLine in the first 3 rounds. Obviously it depends on how the draft plays out, as we have definite needs in the secondary as well so if there's a stud available there, we shouldn't pass just to get an OLB/OL.  We have to try and cover these areas in FA as well so that we aren't forced in any one direction in the draft.

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1 hour ago, 12isthenew18 said:

See free agency first. Plus If we don't make the playoffs I wanna lose out for a better pick

I could see them picking top 15 and if they lose out possibly top 10. Great opportunity to get a defensive star like Jaylon Smith or Vernon Hargreaves. Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, and trading down for more picks are other good options as well. 

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We have needs on the O-line and every level of the defense. We should have enough cash to do at least a few things in free  agency. This year's draft looks strong for centers and cornerbacks, I'd like us to keep our eyes open for those in rounds 2-4 especially. The defense needs more explosive play makers and the offense needs another road-grader or two.

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From my perspective,  this steam still has lots and lots of needs.    So, some will be addressed in FA and the rest in the draft.... 

 

For me,  the need is this....

 

1.    OLB    (need pass rush)

 

2.    OT      (need a right tackle)

 

3.   CB      (Can't have enough of these)

 

4.   DL      (need to be bigger and stronger here)

 

5.  S         (need to get younger here)

 

But,  we have other needs....   C & G....  and those two I'd like addressed in FA.    And I think we need another quality corner to upgrade from Toler.    I don't see us getting one in the 3rd round.     And more help needed at Inside linebacker.     And perhaps another running back where we lack depth.

 

 

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Really, really agree that rush OLB is our #1 need going into the off-season.  I see us paying up for one in FA (though everyone needs to get Von Miller out of their heads, 'cause he ain't goin' anywhere) and using our 1st rounder on the position.  Say, we pay Bruce Irvin a ton to come over to us and we draft Leonard Floyd.  Irvin can play SAM after next year if Floyd is a hit.

 

As far as OL goes, I really want Brandon Brooks of the Texans in FA as the new RG, and I'm leaning towards a FA placeholder at center too.  Even though it's a good draft year at center, maybe I'd want to bring in someone like 32-y.o. Lyle Sendlein from the Cardinals, and let Harrison and Holmes battle it out to show who is the more versatile back-up.  This would give us immediate improvement, and push center-of-the-future out until next year as a draft need.  As far as RT goes, I think the Reitz/Good combo works for now.

 

After the 1st, draft priorities go: CB, RB, S, OT (swing guy to develop).

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I feel like we need to go after veteran starter O-lineman in Free Agency. We likely wont draft high enough to select one of the top tackles and there is not a guard/center worth drafting in the first round and maybe not even the top of the second. Relying on rookies along the O-line is risky. I'm of the approach that we get at least two starters for line via FA and draft the best defensive playmaker available. Pass rusher/Corner or just a flat out stud like Jaylon Smith if available.

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1 hour ago, DougDew said:

1. Pass rusher/OLB

2. CB

3. Pass rusher/OLB

4. Interior OL

1. Pass rush all day long at #1. This is a desperate need for this team and they likely cannot afford a top pass rusher in free agency. The draft is where they have to look.

2. CB. Eventual Davis running mate but for now, a slot replacement for Butler.

3. Center or Guard.

4. Guard or Center.

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This roster is void of talent that you've got to take the best player available approach. I've never understood the people who say "We need to take THIS POSITION in the 1st round, THESE POSITIONS in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, etc." You cannot map out a draft like that. Would you really have the 6th or 7th best player available at some position over the best player at another position? I don't think so.

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3 hours ago, Pagano's Realtor said:

This roster is void of talent that you've got to take the best player available approach. I've never understood the people who say "We need to take THIS POSITION in the 1st round, THESE POSITIONS in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, etc." You cannot map out a draft like that. Would you really have the 6th or 7th best player available at some position over the best player at another position? I don't think so.

There hardly ever is one player that stands out over three or four others at the same pick.  If similarly valued players are at, say; OLB, LT, TE, or RB, you take the player that fills a hole in the roster more than the others.  In my example, I would take the OLB over any of the other players, even if the other players are graded SLIGHTLY higher.  Its BPA within a range.

 

If you draft strictly BPA at every pick, you might end up with 7 TEs.

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54 minutes ago, DougDew said:

There hardly ever is one player that stands out over three or four others at the same pick.  If similarly valued players are at, say; OLB, LT, TE, or RB, you take the player that fills a hole in the roster more than the others.  In my example, I would take the OLB over any of the other players, even if the other players are graded SLIGHTLY higher.  Its BPA within a range.

 

If you draft strictly BPA at every pick, you might end up with 7 TEs.

 

Clearly I'm not saying take someone every round regardless of position, but it is asinine to go into the draft thinking "We should draft this position, regardless of what is available." I think we both agree that it's about finding who players who fit the scheme and fill a need but you certainly have to be flexible.

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2 minutes ago, Pagano's Realtor said:

 

Clearly I'm not saying take someone every round regardless of position, but it is asinine to go into the draft thinking "We should draft this position, regardless of what is available." I think we both agree that it's about finding who players who fit the scheme and fill a need but you certainly have to be flexible.

I think the biggest need is pass rushing OLB.  I agree with you, but there are usually several available with good value every draft in the top 20,  so I would have no hesitation in saying that the Colts should draft one in round one.  It would be surprising if one with good value isn't there when the Colts pick. 

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5 hours ago, Pagano's Realtor said:

This roster is void of talent that you've got to take the best player available approach. I've never understood the people who say "We need to take THIS POSITION in the 1st round, THESE POSITIONS in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, etc." You cannot map out a draft like that. Would you really have the 6th or 7th best player available at some position over the best player at another position? I don't think so.

 

47 minutes ago, Pagano's Realtor said:

 

Clearly I'm not saying take someone every round regardless of position, but it is asinine to go into the draft thinking "We should draft this position, regardless of what is available." I think we both agree that it's about finding who players who fit the scheme and fill a need but you certainly have to be flexible.

 

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4 hours ago, Pagano's Realtor said:

 

Clearly I'm not saying take someone every round regardless of position, but it is asinine to go into the draft thinking "We should draft this position, regardless of what is available." I think we both agree that it's about finding who players who fit the scheme and fill a need but you certainly have to be flexible.

 

Certainly you can't do what some posters here are trying to do, with the whole "pass rusher in round 1, corner back in round 2, o-lineman in round 3" etc. 

 

You can (and probably should) go into a draft planning on keeping your eyes open for someone who will help you in a particular phase of the game. But you can't force it like that. You never know who is going to be on the board, you can't really make it a habit of passing up impact players to fill needs. 

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As others have said, give up whatever you have to in order to get Jaylon Smith. He's gonna be an absolute star. Walden is the only semi-athletic linebacker we have. We're way too slow at LB. Smith is an increible athlete and fantastic tackler too. #1 priority imo.

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On December 22, 2015 at 7:36 PM, DougDew said:

I think the biggest need is pass rushing OLB.  I agree with you, but there are usually several available with good value every draft in the top 20,  so I would have no hesitation in saying that the Colts should draft one in round one.  It would be surprising if one with good value isn't there when the Colts pick. 

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On 12/21/2015 at 11:52 AM, DougDew said:

1. Pass rusher/OLB

2. CB

3. Pass rusher/OLB

4. Interior OL

I must be missing something here. We have had 2 QBs hurt multiple times this year( one being the face of our franchise) because our OL sucks and you rate OL fourth in area of need? I would agree with Pass Rusher as #1 because a good PR is an impact player and they would more than likely rate higher on the board than an OL in the first. After that i would definitely prioritize OL in round 2 and 3 unless someone outstanding fell to us. We have more holes to fill than we have draft choices so I would rather shore up the OL first and foremost and then concentrate on other positions later in the draft or FA or next year. We can't solve all our problems at once.

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2 hours ago, hoosierhawk said:

I must be missing something here. We have had 2 QBs hurt multiple times this year( one being the face of our franchise) because our OL sucks and you rate OL fourth in area of need? I would agree with Pass Rusher as #1 because a good PR is an impact player and they would more than likely rate higher on the board than an OL in the first. After that i would definitely prioritize OL in round 2 and 3 unless someone outstanding fell to us. We have more holes to fill than we have draft choices so I would rather shore up the OL first and foremost and then concentrate on other positions later in the draft or FA or next year. We can't solve all our problems at once.

If you read the forum regularly, it has been pretty much concluded that Luck was hurt by his own scrambling...and before that, by holding on to the ball too long.  The OL did not get him killed.  The OL was good enough after Herremans and Louis were replaced (and the Colts stopped facing the Bills and the Jets). 

 

With the same OL as Luck, MH barely got touched in his first few games because he got rid of the ball quickly, something that defenses were not prepared for after watching Luck's film. (Watt did nothing against our OL the first Texans game...nothing).  Then as defenses figured out MH provides no deep ball threat, they sat on the short routes.  That's when he started to take a beating...when not enough WRs could get open on the shorter routes. 

 

But his most recent big hit was due to Harrison whiffing his block on a three man rush.  Any C on any other pro roster could have probably made the block that he missed. The problems with the interior OL is primarily at C.  Most teams can find a good C in the 3rd round or later.  Holmes is a decent C...but with bad ankles apparently.

 

OTOH, the Colts have no pass rusher.  None.  You cannot win in this league if you cannot rush the passer.  Cole, Werner, Walden, Mathis and Newsome ALL stink as pass rushers.  The Colts need to find at least two pass rushers that are better than the best one they have now (probably Mathis...still).  Newsome was a 5th rounder.  Can't find a decent pass rusher past the third round, IMO.

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2 hours ago, DougDew said:

If you read the forum regularly, it has been pretty much concluded that Luck was hurt by his own scrambling...and before that, by holding on to the ball too long.  The OL did not get him killed.  The OL was good enough after Herremans and Louis were replaced (and the Colts stopped facing the Bills and the Jets). 

 

With the same OL as Luck, MH barely got touched in his first few games because he got rid of the ball quickly, something that defenses were not prepared for after watching Luck's film. (Watt did nothing against our OL the first Texans game...nothing).  Then as defenses figured out MH provides no deep ball threat, they sat on the short routes.  That's when he started to take a beating...when not enough WRs could get open on the shorter routes. 

 

But his most recent big hit was due to Harrison whiffing his block on a three man rush.  Any C on any other pro roster could have probably made the block that he missed. The problems with the interior OL is primarily at C.  Most teams can find a good C in the 3rd round or later.  Holmes is a decent C...but with bad ankles apparently.

 

OTOH, the Colts have no pass rusher.  None.  You cannot win in this league if you cannot rush the passer.  Cole, Werner, Walden, Mathis and Newsome ALL stink as pass rushers.  The Colts need to find at least two pass rushers that are better than the best one they have now (probably Mathis...still).  Newsome was a 5th rounder.  Can't find a decent pass rusher past the third round, IMO.

Keep telling yourself that the OL is fine.

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9 minutes ago, hoosierhawk said:

Keep telling yourself that the OL is fine.

Well, it was fine when it was AC,JM,KH,HT, and JR....but  C can certainly be upgraded. 

 

But the thread is about priorities.  Neither Mathis, Cole, Walden, Newsome, and Werner can win any battle one on one.  That's pathetic for pass rushing.

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I'm not sure the O-line was fine with those 5 you mention but it was certainly better than the current rag tag bunch.  

As for justifying a pass rushing OLB,.....a team can mask a few deficiencies in the defensive backfield if they can muster some pressure on the QB. The Colts are terrible at that, and therefore their less than stellar CBs, Toler and Butler, are getting killed. So I agree with you on priorities; pass rush. 

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DD, I do read this regularly but sorry, I don't base my conclusions from opinions on this site only. i make my conclusions from watching games and film, reading newspapers and other articles and listening to and reading NFL analysts and reporters and also draft projections. i have seldom heard any say our OL is fine. i hear on a regular basis that Grigson has failed totally in protecting Luck even though he supposedly has the note on his desk that "Protect 12". i guess we can agree to disagree on this.

I did say i would go for a difference maker pass rusher in the 1st as there are very few OL that would deserve

1st round grades that would still be around when the Colts draft.

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30 minutes ago, hoosierhawk said:

DD, I do read this regularly but sorry, I don't base my conclusions from opinions on this site only. i make my conclusions from watching games and film, reading newspapers and other articles and listening to and reading NFL analysts and reporters and also draft projections. i have seldom heard any say our OL is fine. i hear on a regular basis that Grigson has failed totally in protecting Luck even though he supposedly has the note on his desk that "Protect 12". i guess we can agree to disagree on this.

I did say i would go for a difference maker pass rusher in the 1st as there are very few OL that would deserve

1st round grades that would still be around when the Colts draft.

 

Would like to add to the OL situation. 

1. our QBs have been hit over 100 times this year. Most in NFL.

2. Have ranked top four in QB hits last four years.

3. Have not had a 1,000 rusher since 2007. 

4. Have not had a 100 yd rusher last 54 games.

5. T Richardson had better per rush attempt last year than Gore has this year.

6. Gore averaging almost a yard less per carry this year than career average.

 

Just sayn!

 

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On December 23, 2015 at 1:03 PM, DougDew said:

If you read the forum regularly, it has been pretty much concluded that Luck was hurt by his own scrambling...and before that, by holding on to the ball too long.  The OL did not get him killed.  The OL was good enough after Herremans and Louis were replaced (and the Colts stopped facing the Bills and the Jets). 

 

With the same OL as Luck, MH barely got touched in his first few games because he got rid of the ball quickly, something that defenses were not prepared for after watching Luck's film. (Watt did nothing against our OL the first Texans game...nothing).  Then as defenses figured out MH provides no deep ball threat, they sat on the short routes.  That's when he started to take a beating...when not enough WRs could get open on the shorter routes. 

 

But his most recent big hit was due to Harrison whiffing his block on a three man rush.  Any C on any other pro roster could have probably made the block that he missed. The problems with the interior OL is primarily at C.  Most teams can find a good C in the 3rd round or later.  Holmes is a decent C...but with bad ankles apparently.

 

OTOH, the Colts have no pass rusher.  None.  You cannot win in this league if you cannot rush the passer.  Cole, Werner, Walden, Mathis and Newsome ALL stink as pass rushers.  The Colts need to find at least two pass rushers that are better than the best one they have now (probably Mathis...still).  Newsome was a 5th rounder.  Can't find a decent pass rusher past the third round, IMO.

Can't find a decent pass rusher after the 3rd?! We found Mathis in the 5th, and I thought Newsome did pretty well last year. 

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Doesn't usually work like that. Mathis is the exception, not the rule. The best pass rushers in the league now are 1st-3rd round picks. Houston and Watt are 1st rounders. Khalil Mack and Von Miller are 1st rounders. Demarcus Ware, etc...

 

4 hours ago, nerukamo said:

Can't find a decent pass rusher after the 3rd?! We found Mathis in the 5th, and I thought Newsome did pretty well last year. 

 

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5 hours ago, nerukamo said:

Can't find a decent pass rusher after the 3rd?! We found Mathis in the 5th, and I thought Newsome did pretty well last year. 

I should have said..."unless you get lucky".  Hoping to get lucky is not a good offseason strategy.  And frankly, Newsome is one of those guys that needs to be upgraded this offseason, IMO (hopefully along with 2 or 3 more of the currently rostered OLBs)

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Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) - Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn 105.  Denver (5-11) - Quinn Meinerz, OG/OC , Wisconsin - Whitewater 106.  Dallas (6-10) - Jaylen Twyman DT, Pitt 107.  NY Giants (6-10) - Marlon Williams, WR, UCF 108.  San Francisco (6-10) - Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State 110.  Minnesota (7-9 Divine Deablo, S, VA Tech 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) -- Kendrick Green, Univ. of Illinois 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) -- Amari Rogers, WR, Clemson 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) -- Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois 114.  Miami (10-6) -- Quincy Roche, DE, Miami  115.  WFT* (7-9) -- Sage Surratt, WR, Wake Forest 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) - Spencer Brown, OT, UNI 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) - Brevin Jordan, TE, Miami 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) - Baron Browning, ILB, Ohio State 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Michael Carter, RB, North Carolina 120.  Seattle* (12-4) - Anthony Schwartz, WR, Auburn 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Hunter Long, TE, Boston College 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Tedarell Slaton, DT, Florida 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) - Paddy Fisher, ILB, Northwestern 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Khalil Herbert, RB, Virginia Tech 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) - Seth Williams, WR, Auburn 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Darius Stills, DT, West Virginia 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Keith Taylor Jr., CB, Washington 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Tommy Kraemer, OG, Notre Dame     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
    • The real draft is April 29th, 2021.   So I would say that starting any mock after April 1st or 1st week would be best when most of the FA dust would have settled and most trades done prior to draft day, especially if one wants to do 7 rounds with compensatory picks.   Scheduled time is probably best but knowing our mock draft history, most picks would be chosen by the commish or be a PM pick that the commish would need to keep track of. It would most likely be best for 1 hour time frames and if you go from 7 am to 11 pm ET, it will give you half a round with 16 picks in a day with a 1 hour time frame. So, for 7 rounds, it would take about 15 days of work if you include compensatory picks.   It depends on my work schedule, I would need a LOT of help from others to make it work, more like about 5 commissioners and co-commissioners totally that can make themselves available on and off and it doesn't just fall on me or a 2nd person to do it all.
    • Even coming off an achilles it wouldnt shock me if Mack could add more to this team or another team than Jordan Wilkins. Would love to see the bro back at the right price and terms.
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