Boom Herron Waived/injured

[TKnight24]

Robinson is going to be our guy behind Gore I've just had this feeling all along.

I'm just waiting on Sunday. Luck is gonna shred a potential top 5 defense.

I have Johnson, Hilton, & Gore all going for 100 yards in their respective Stat lines

[SDakColts]

He's had 3 years. 2 non contact injuries, time to move on. Shelf life for a RB is already short, he's shortened his that much more

That is your opinion, and I respect it you have every right to feel that way. However, sometimes it is good to respect people with different opinions than yours. It has been proven that people with significant injuries can return and produce in the NFL. Like a previous poster stated Demaryius Thomas and Brian Crushing returned from significant injuries and produced with Crushing suffering multiple. It happens in the NFL, so what makes it impossible for Ballard to do it?

[Colt Forty-Five]

its scrubs blocking scrubs

 

So you think it's that simple? Offense is all about precision and timing. Defense is all reaction. Who do you think is at a greater disadvantage when they go out and play without any practice? If you say defense it's because you have never played a down in your life! Qb and RB are the two absolute worst positions to be put in to without a practiced OL! Why do you think scores like 9-6 happen in pre-season?

[SDakColts]

So you think it's that simple? Offense is all about precision and timing. Defense is all reaction. Who do you think is at a greater disadvantage when they go out and play without any practice? If you say defense it's because you have never played a down in your life! Qb and RB are the two absolute worst positions to be put in to without a practiced OL! Why do you think scores like 9-6 happen in pre-season?

Correct.

[Colt Forty-Five]

That is your opinion, and I respect it you have every right to feel that way. However, sometimes it is good to respect people with different opinions than yours. It has been proven that people with significant injuries can return and produce in the NFL. Like a previous poster stated Demaryius Thomas and Brian Crushing returned from significant injuries and produced with Crushing suffering multiple. It happens in the NFL, so what makes it impossible for Ballard to do it?

 

Name one guy at any position that has come back from an ACL + Achilles tear and been able to play .... name just one! Just a tip, you will be looking for a unicorn not a pony!

[CR91]

Ballard got an ACL tear and an achillies tear on his leg that he runs on (he's a rb). He's like RGIII in that sense now, permanently a step slower. Josh Robinson got a concussion, he's not running on his head.

Peterson tore his Acl and Mcl. Not saying Ballard is Peterson, but those kind of injuries are not the career killers they were 20 years ago

[crazycolt1]

It's a "What have you done lately?" League & none of you can give a legit reason based of production lately why Ballard should be on this roster right now. He's finished. An injury waiting to happen every time he touches the ball

So no matter what your opinion is you are not the tell all on what the coaches see every day. You are not a medical specialist so how do you know anything about Ballard? I have no clue as to what Ballard is or isn't going to do and neither do you. You have your opinion so stick to it with your tunnel vision.

[CR91]

So you think it's that simple? Offense is all about precision and timing. Defense is all reaction. Who do you think is at a greater disadvantage when they go out and play without any practice? If you say defense it's because you have never played a down in your life! Qb and RB are the two absolute worst positions to be put in to without a practiced OL! Why do you think scores like 9-6 happen in pre-season?

So explain why our 3rd string defense gets destroyed by the Bengals every 4th preseason game

[csmopar]

keeping ballard looks pretty good now.

No it doesnt. Ballard is fragile and hurt himself. This makes Zero sense

[CR91]

No it doesnt. Ballard is fragile and hurt himself. This makes Zero sense

 

so you rather have two rookies backing up gore. 

[Colt Forty-Five]

Peterson tore his Acl and Mcl. Not saying Ballard is Peterson, but those kind of injuries are not the career killers they were 20 years ago

 

I don't recall any RBs ever coming back after an Achilles tear .... maybe a few from ACL tears .... but never from an Achilles .... at least never remotely the same as after the injury.

[CR91]

Lol

And keeping Ballard is Grigson refusing to move on when there's better options already on the roster. Well, maybe not better since they're rookies. But more durable at least

 

durable doesnt mean they can play. lets see how they perform when the games are for real

[Yoshinator]

Peterson tore his Acl and Mcl. Not saying Ballard is Peterson, but those kind of injuries are not the career killers they were 20 years ago

That might be true, but I believe Peterson only tore it one time. Ballard tore his ACL, then his Achillies right after. He might be able to play again, but I believe he isn't the same as his rookie year (which was ordinary anyway). I would release him for montee ball if it's possible.

[CR91]

I don't recall any RBs ever coming back after an Achilles tear .... maybe a few from ACL tears .... but never from an Achilles .... at least never remotely the same as after the injury.

 

I guess we'll see

[CR91]

That might be true, but I believe Peterson only tore it one time. Ballard tore his ACL, then his Achillies right after. He might be able to play again, but I believe he isn't the same as his rookie year (which was ordinary anyway). I would release him for montee ball if it's possible.

 

peterson's injury was way worse. 

[TKnight24]

That is your opinion, and I respect it you have every right to feel that way. However, sometimes it is good to respect people with different opinions than yours. It has been proven that people with significant injuries can return and produce in the NFL. Like a previous poster stated Demaryius Thomas and Brian Crushing returned from significant injuries and produced with Crushing suffering multiple. It happens in the NFL, so what makes it impossible for Ballard to do it?

Cushing is a bad example, he's hurt basically every year

[Colt Forty-Five]

So explain why our 3rd string defense gets destroyed by the Bengals every 4th preseason game

 

What are you talking about? It was a 9-6 game .... nobody scored. If anybody should have scored it should have been us when we had our #1 OL out against their #3 defense..... with Ballard out there!

[Yoshinator]

so you rather have two rookies backing up gore. 

Absolutely. Ballard's rookie year wasn't like Doug Martin or Alfred Morris. It was an 800 yd performance from the easiest position to find quality players. I bet there are easily a few UDFA's that will be as good as Ballard was in his rookie year. Basically Robinson and Varga are Ballard quality players without the leg injuries. If given the chance, they could easily match Ballard's production his rookie year with the same number of carries.

[SDakColts]

Name one guy at any position that has come back from an ACL + Achilles tear and been able to play .... name just one! Just a tip, you will be looking for a unicorn not a pony!

I am not an injury expert never claimed to be, but ACL injuries happen all the time, and people come back and still play at high levels. Achilles are not quite as simple as an ACL, but people still come back and play well after them as well. Yes having both injuries makes it more difficult to come back, but it isn't impossible. I can't say I know anyone that has returned from both, but maybe Ballard will be the 1st. I don't know and you don't know so quit acting like it.

[TKnight24]

That might be true, but I believe Peterson only tore it one time. Ballard tore his ACL, then his Achillies right after. He might be able to play again, but I believe he isn't the same as his rookie year (which was ordinary anyway). I would release him for montee ball if it's possible.

Reports that Dallas is trading for Ball

Also, talks that Kam Chancellor is going to the Giants via trade

Crazy stuff lol

[csmopar]

so you rather have two rookies backing up gore.

90 percent chance they end up with 2 rookies as I really doubt ballard will make it to the bye week in one piece. Hell, I'll be surprised of he makes it thru the first game.

[Chucklez]

Im more shocked at Herrera being waived.... He looked very good in the preseason.... He was running with the 1st team D too?....

[SDakColts]

Cushing is a bad example, he's hurt basically every year

Two major injuries off of freak plays. He seems to come back and play well every time though.

[SDakColts]

Reports that Dallas is trading for Ball

Also, talks that Kam Chancellor is going to the Giants via trade

Crazy stuff lol

I doubt Dallas trades for Ball now that they have Michael, but I am sure you will be first to know if they do as that is your specialty.

[Colt Forty-Five]

I am not an injury expert never claimed to be, but ACL injuries happen all the time, and people come back and still play at high levels. Achilles are not quite as simple as an ACL, but people still come back and play well after them as well. Yes having both injuries makes it more difficult to come back, but it isn't impossible. I can't say I know anyone that has returned from both, but maybe Ballard will be the 1st. I don't know and you don't know so quit acting like it.

 

Look no one said that miracles don't happen. The question is would you bet the farm on that and if the answer is "yes", would people question your sanity?

[TKnight24]

Two major injuries off of freak plays. He seems to come back and play well every time though.

Someone will probably check me on this but I'm almost 99% positive Cushing hasn't played a full 16 game seasons since like 2011

[CR91]

What are you talking about? It was a 9-6 game .... nobody scored. If anybody should have scored it should have been us when we had our #1 OL out against their #3 defense..... with Ballard out there!

Watch the other Bengals games from years past

[TKnight24]

90 percent chance they end up with 2 rookies as I really doubt ballard will make it to the bye week in one piece. Hell, I'll be surprised of he makes it thru the first game.

Don't go there csmopar, just spent the past hour down that road lol

[CR91]

Absolutely. Ballard's rookie year wasn't like Doug Martin or Alfred Morris. It was an 800 yd performance from the easiest position to find quality players. I bet there are easily a few UDFA's that will be as good as Ballard was in his rookie year. Basically Robinson and Varga are Ballard quality players without the leg injuries. If given the chance, they could easily match Ballard's production his rookie year with the same number of carries.

Martin was a first round pick. Ballard started 12 games if memory serves. Brown was starting

[SDakColts]

Look no one said that miracles don't happen. The question is would you bet the farm on that and if the answer is "yes", would people question your sanity?

The problem with that statement is with keeping Ballard we really aren't betting the farm. He is still a depth running back for us and his touches will probably be limited. In a limited role Ballard should be able to get back into football shape and allow his lower body to get underneath him. I am not saying you are wrong. I just respectfully disagree with you, and just adding my opinion, and how I came to look at it the way I do.

[SDakColts]

Someone will probably check me on this but I'm almost 99% positive Cushing hasn't played a full 16 game seasons since like 2011

You are correct he hasn't played a full 16 game season since 2011, but last year he played 14 games which is pretty respectable IMO.

[Colt Forty-Five]

I honestly doubt that any Rb produces 1000 yards this year with our OL but hopefully I am wrong. I would think 500-600 will be the limit for those with lesser injuries that survive enough games.

[SDakColts]

I honestly doubt that any Rb produces 1000 yards this year with our OL but hopefully I am wrong. I would think 500-600 will be the limit for those with lesser injuries that survive enough games.

Between our O-Line problems in the run game, and most likely rotating RBs in the game I agree with you no one will reach 1000 yards this year as much as I want them to.

[csmopar]

Don't go there csmopar, just spent the past hour down that road lol

Yeah i know. Usually I'm debating you . I just cannot find the logic in thsee moves by grigs and co.

[Colt Forty-Five]

The problem with that statement is with keeping Ballard we really aren't betting the farm. He is still a depth running back for us and his touches will probably be limited. In a limited role Ballard should be able to get back into football shape and allow his lower body to get underneath him. I am not saying you are wrong. I just respectfully disagree with you, and just adding my opinion, and how I came to look at it the way I do.

 

RB is an injury prone position. You may not think you are betting the farm until the depth chart ahead of him all goes down. You see how quickly it happens. You need insurance , not liability.

[SDakColts]

Don't go there csmopar, just spent the past hour down that road lol

 

 

I honestly doubt that any Rb produces 1000 yards this year with our OL but hopefully I am wrong. I would think 500-600 will be the limit for those with lesser injuries that survive enough games.

I just wanted to thank you guys for providing your insight and opinions on the situation. I respect your opinions, and you guys do have some valid points in your arguments. The only thing we can do now is wait for the regular season and see what happens with Ballard. I am curious though. With the available options right now on the market at RB who would you rather have than Ballard?

[Yoshinator]

Martin was a first round pick. Ballard started 12 games if memory serves. Brown was starting

Morris was a 6th and that's why I said same number of carries, because Brown was starting.

[Gavin]

There goes our only home run threat in the backfield.

Since when has Herron been a homerun threat? I have never seen this

[TKnight24]

Yeah i know. Usually I'm debating you . I just cannot find the logic in thsee moves by grigs and co.

Oh yes, we've had our share of debates

You're a worthy opponent indeed my friend

[TKnight24]

Since when has Herron been a homerun threat? I have never seen this

Boom is solid. No world beater but he's solid option. He's no bum by any means