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I am starting to wonder if these 3 (Jones at NT) will end up being our primary starters on the DL

 

They would seem to be our 3 best DL players

 

 

I was happy when we drafted Chapman..... but I just dont see the progression

 

 

 

 

Thoughts ?

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Sounds like a Nasty lineup to me, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is one of the different fronts we show at some point this year.  Still think we'll use Chapman at the nose quite a bit, or maybe Parry.  Coming back though I think Anderson and Langford are both 5 techniques, although I'm assuming they both move and pentrate well enough to play the 3 technique I'm assuming.  Could be wrong

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I think we're going to be seeing Hughes take over on base downs, he's better than Chapman. Jones will start at the 3 Tech and hopefully plays better. He looked slimmer in the OTA pics. I think Langford starts at 5 Tech, but with a heavy rotation of Anderson. By midseason I think Anderson takes the starting job.

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We should probably temper our excitement about Anderson being a starter until we see how he handles the NFL against preseason talent. I think he will grow into "the guy" myself as well but he hasn't even practiced in pads in the NFL yet so I'll wait to hand him the spot until I've seen him play.

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Langford- 3 tech

 

Chapman-NT

 

Jones-5 Tech

 

Anderson has to put on bulk and strength before he is even in the discussion as a starter, Right now he would get pushed around rather easily

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We should probably temper our excitement about Anderson being a starter until we see how he handles the NFL against preseason talent. I think he will grow into "the guy" myself as well but he hasn't even practiced in pads in the NFL yet so I'll wait to hand him the spot until I've seen him play.

Anderson is first ballot HOF...........   :)

 

Didnt you get the memo?

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Langford- 3 tech

 

Chapman-NT

 

Jones-5 Tech

 

Anderson has to put on bulk and strength before he is even in the discussion as a starter, Right now he would get pushed around rather easily

Chapman gets mauled..... many times by a single blocker

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On passing situations i can see that Line-up but otherwise this makes nonsense because A.Jones is DT he can play any DL position but he's primary a DT(3-T), on passing situations within 5-10 yds i can see a this Line-up:

 

Cole/Mathis/Newsome Anderson Jones Langford Cole/Mathis/Newsome

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He is not nor has ever been the problem

 

The one play that stood out to me the most from the AFC Championship game what an inside run play where the Patriots blocked him with their FB on a trap play. He got nailed and the play went for about 15 yards. I remember thinking to myself "There's no way Jack Doyle or even Dwayne Allen light up Vince Wilfork like that" 

 

He's still young, and improving, but while he's not the worst NT in the league, he's hardly been a difference maker to this point.

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The one play that stood out to me the most from the AFC Championship game what an inside run play where the Patriots blocked him with their FB on a trap play. He got nailed and the play went for about 15 yards. I remember thinking to myself "There's no way Jack Doyle or even Dwayne Allen light up Vince Wilfork like that" 

 

He's still young, and improving, but while he's not the worst NT in the league, he's hardly been a difference maker to this point.

He is never going to be a difference maker, He don't have the athleticism or stamina, He wont ever be Dontari Poe, Hell he wont ever be Zach Kerr, I went back and watched every run play, It went for 5 yards at 3:33 of the 2nd Quarter. Im not saying Chapman is great by any means...I wish he read run play and shed a block once in a while, Was like Dontari Poe and made the play but that's just not going to happen, Kerr would be the guy to do that

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NT's alone are never the solution, Have to have ILB's that can shed a block and not over run there gaps

I was just amusing myself, but I doubt the coach staff feels chapman has cemented the NT position.

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i see Kendall Langford starting at DE and Arthur Jones starting at DT.

 

At NT i see Zach Kerr making some waves and winning the starting job from Chapman/Hughes

 

With rookies Anderson and Parry rotating in and providing valuable depth.

 

So Langford-Kerr-Jones starting with Anderson-Chapman/Hughes-Parry as depth.

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On passing situations i can see that Line-up but otherwise this makes nonsense because A.Jones is DT he can play any DL position but he's primary a DT(3-T), on passing situations within 5-10 yds i can see a this Line-up:

 

Cole/Mathis/Newsome Anderson Jones Langford Cole/Mathis/Newsome

 

 

They Call that NASCAR formation

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Jones-Chapman-Langford

 

Langford- 3 tech

 

Chapman-NT

 

Jones-5 Tech

 

Anderson has to put on bulk and strength before he is even in the discussion as a starter, Right now he would get pushed around rather easily

 

 

He's already bulked up to 300lbs since the draft. I don't see the getting pushed around thing.

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He's already bulked up to 300lbs since the draft. I don't see the getting pushed around thing.

 

Did you read that somewhere?    I haven't seen that, so I'm wondering where you did?

 

Not doubting you,  would just like to read it.    I know that's the goal,  was just wondering if it has happened yet?

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I think those who think Langford is losing his job by mid season are in for a big surprise. He will be our steadiest lineman this year.

I'm looking for Hughes to step it up this year. I also think Quarles can provide some push especially on passing downs. Kerr should be better with a year under his belt.

I am excited to see what the D line brings this year. I'm not expecting a trade don't feel like it's necessary. We are young but I think there's some talent there.

If Mathis is healthy that will help the pass rush and Irving should help vs the run. IMO the D has the potential to be solid.

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Are we watching the same guy? I repeatedly saw Chapman being double teamed.

 

He does get some double teams, but he gets plenty of one on one blocks as well, he has trouble getting penetration on either.

 

He just gets handled.....

 

He gets moved out of the hole.... again and again

 

A ILB "needs" a solid NT to at least redirect and or slow down the RB.  

 

A NT doesnt need to get the stats..... when he does his job the LBs get tackles  

 

A lighter ILB like we have with Freeman gets constantly pounded (and injured) , because the

RB is up to full speed when he hits the LOS. 

 
Our ILBs get tackles after the RB has the gain.....  not a great thing.
 
Watch the really good defenses...... the RB gets the ball and in many cases, has to slow down and has to find
another hole to run through. This situation, in many cases is set up by the NT. 

 

Chapman gets almost no penetration when the opponents pass. (He is extremely poor at this)

when they run he gets moved handily

 

The NT is extremely important to the success of a 3-4 defense.

 

Unless we shift a current player into this spot, this is an important cog that will limit our success on defense 

 

 

I like what we have done with the additions on the D line (DEs). We ARE better with the starters and the roatation......

 

But the NT play HAS to get better.... to me, its now the weak link to the front 7, (And possibly the whole defense)

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He does get some double teams, but he gets plenty of one on one blocks as well, he has trouble getting penetration on either.

 

He just gets handled.....

 

He gets moved out of the hole.... again and again

 

A ILB "needs" a solid NT to at least redirect and or slow down the RB.  

 

A NT doesnt need to get the stats..... when he does his job the LBs get tackles  

 

A lighter ILB like we have with Freeman gets constantly pounded (and injured) , because the

RB is up to full speed when he hits the LOS. 

 
Our ILBs get tackles after the RB has the gain.....  not a great thing.
 
Watch the really good defenses...... the RB gets the ball and in many cases, has to slow down and has to find
another hole to run through. This situation, in many cases is set up by the NT. 

 

Chapman gets almost no penetration when the opponents pass. (He is extremely poor at this)

when they run he gets moved handily

 

Think about the great 3-4 defenses.

 

They always had a very good to great NT

 

 

Its a missing link to the monster that was planned

 

I hope Hughes and Kerr can step it up, if they done make this change.

 

The NT is extremely important to the success of a 3-4 defense.

 

Unless we shift a current player into this spot, this is an important cog that will limit our success on defense 

 

 

I like what we have done with the additions on the D line (DEs). We ARE better with the starters and the roatation......

 

But the NT play HAS to get better.... to me, its now the weak link to the front 7, (And possibly the whole defense)

Hats off, :hat: I agree with your NT input. No 3-4 defense is very good without a good NT causing disruption

up the middle, it is the top position to be solidified in that defensive scheme.

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I am starting to wonder if these 3 (Jones at NT) will end up being our primary starters on the DL

 

They would seem to be our 3 best DL players

 

 

I was happy when we drafted Chapman..... but I just dont see the progression

 

 

 

 

Thoughts ?

 

 

 

I am starting to wonder if these 3 (Jones at NT) will end up being our primary starters on the DL

 

They would seem to be our 3 best DL players

 

 

I was happy when we drafted Chapman..... but I just dont see the progression

 

 

 

 

Thoughts ?

 

 Wacko!

 We were awesome on first down with Chapman through the 1st seven games.

 No one in the league was Close to us in 2nd and 3rd and longs.

 You folks are totally lost on the subject.

 This stuff was covered well during the broadcasts for those who watched AND Listened.

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No thank you to Jones at NT...the man has a lot of weight but too much of it is blubber...his butt is a wide as 2 other players.

He needs to find some will power to back away from the groceries and try to get to training camp at a good playing weight...not reporting in at 350+ like last year and then spending many weeks getting down to where he could play...and he was still too fat and got injured because of it.

I suspect his weight problem is the reason the Ravens did not mind him leaving.

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 Wacko!

 We were awesome on first down with Chapman through the 1st seven games.

 No one in the league was Close to us in 2nd and 3rd and longs.

 You folks are totally lost on the subject.

 This stuff was covered well during the broadcasts for those who watched AND Listened.

Ouch....

 

Of course, maybe you could change things and make the playoffs and SB in the first seven games........

 

The games that mattered...the last 10.......... Chapman just wasnt there....... 

 

Wacko?  OK, been called worse

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No thank you to Jones at NT...the man has a lot of weight but too much of it is blubber...his butt is a wide as 2 other players.

He needs to find some will power to back away from the groceries and try to get to training camp at a good playing weight...not reporting in at 350+ like last year and then spending many weeks getting down to where he could play...and he was still too fat and got injured because of it.

I suspect his weight problem is the reason the Ravens did not mind him leaving.

I was thinking he might deserve a try at NT because of way he played (and before he gained a few LBs) at the Ravens as a really big run stuffing specialist DE.

 

And....... because I think that we need to get our best 3 DL on the field at the same time.

 

I may be too high on Anderson, as many rookies dont pan out, but he seems to have all the tools to at least be better than what we had.

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Did you read that somewhere?    I haven't seen that, so I'm wondering where you did?

 

Not doubting you,  would just like to read it.    I know that's the goal,  was just wondering if it has happened yet?

 

Read it here on the Indy Star.

 

"What I can tell you is this: Indianapolis Colts rookie defensive end Henry Anderson is huge. So is free-agent pickup Kendall Langford.

 

Big is good. Big is change. At 6-6, 300 pounds – he's gained six pounds since being drafted out of Stanford and figures to play closer to 315 – Anderson is bigger than Ricky Jean Francois. At 6-6, 313, Langford is bigger than Cory Redding. The Colts' best new defensive linemen are bigger than the ones they replaced. That's what I can tell you."

 

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2015/06/04/doyel-otas-colts-defense-reveals-size-sound-little-else/28471345/

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