Discussing the Patriots w/o Brady (merge)

[CR91]

the pats without brady as it stands is 4 games. they play the steelers bills jaguars and cowboys. I see 1-3

[PrincetonTiger]

the pats without brady as it stands is 4 games. they play the steelers bills jaguars and cowboys. I see 1-3

Agreed

[jvan1973]

Somehow they will go 6-0 during the 4 games Brady is on vacation

[wig]

2-2; losses to Pittsburgh and then one against the Bills or Cowboys.

[Qwiz]

2

[COLTS449]

I'm actually very interested to see how Garrapolo plays. Knowing the Pats luck with this such thing, he'll come out and look unbelievable and the Pats will continuing being great for another 15 years.

[COLTS449]

But to answer the question I think they go 2-2. Winning the obvious two against the Jags and Bills.

[ReMeDy]

I'm actually very interested to see how Garrapolo plays. Knowing the Pats luck with this such thing, he'll come out and look unbelievable and the Pats will continuing being great for another 15 years.

 

I disagree. Once Bill Belichick retires, I have a feeling they're going to fall apart, fast. You can't replace someone of Bill Belichick's caliber, because Bill has both HC'ing and GM'ing responsibilities, based on how New England operates. Belichick's currently 63, making him I believe the 2nd oldest HC, Tom Coughlin being first (68 yrs).

[Synthetic]

I have them starting 2-2 or 1-3. I see Buffalo, Dallas, and the opener of Pittsburgh being tough tests for them. 

[Moncrief]

Wouldn't it be something to see them start out 0-4

[COLTS449]

I disagree. Once Bill Belichick retires, I have a feeling they're going to fall apart, fast. You can't replace someone of Bill Belichick's caliber, because Bill has both HC'ing and GM'ing responsibilities, based on how New England operates. Belichick's currently 63, making him I believe the 2nd oldest HC, Tom Coughlin being first (68 yrs).

 

I agree on your opinion of BB. He's the best coach in the NFL, and losing him would certainly hurt them quite a bit, but still. If you have a good QB your going to be a good team no matter who's coaching.

[Gavin]

2

[Narcosys]

2-2, but I'm hoping the bills step up big time and make them 1-3. If the jags pull off a miracle, that's icing.

[ColtsLegacy]

But to answer the question I think they go 2-2. Winning the obvious two against the Jags and Bills.

Why are the Bills obvious? That team is decent QB play away from being a contender and Rexy knows the Pats very well. As it stands, I'd say the Bills overall team minus QB is better than the Pats overall team minus QB. And the Pats will be minus QB for their matchup.

[Boiler_Colt]

They'll go 4-0 and then trade Jimmy to the Browns for 2 first round picks making us all look stupid.

[amfootball]

The only bright side IF Brady's suspension holds up and I think there is a good chance the whole thing gets wiped out but more likely reduced to 2, than Jimmy has all summer to get ready for week 1. That will be key for him in working with Josh McDaniels and Brady who I believe is allowed to participate in all pre-season activities. Bill is great at preparing QBs to play, just ask Matt Cassell.

[BlueCollarColts]

2-2

[COLTS449]

Why are the Bills obvious? That team is decent QB play away from being a contender and Rexy knows the Pats very well. As it stands, I'd say the Bills overall team minus QB is better than the Pats overall team minus QB. And the Pats will be minus QB for their matchup.

 

Its just my opinion of course, but that's exactly why. I think Garrapolo will be better than whoever the Bills have starting at QB. Especially if its EJ. I remember last year when Garrapolo came in a game he looked pretty good. But yeah if the Bills had a good QB, or if somebody steps up (EJ) they'll be a really good team. Now if the Pats were running out Curtis Painter then yeah, but I have a feeling Jimmy G's going to play well.

[Colts_Fan12]

He only has a chance to win 2 after Brady gets his suspension cut in half. Bad enough that 4 games isn't enough worse knowing he will cut it in half and prolly just cheat again anyway

[HOZER]

0-4

[Malakai432]

Somehow they will go 6-0 during the 4 games Brady is on vacation

Lol, I don't know, I think your close however. I'll predict them going 9-0 and being super bowl bound during Brady's 4 game suspension.

[Clem-Dog]

I don't believe his suspension will be reduced. Besides, for all New England fans who clamored in favor of Garrapolo over Brady early last season, well you just got what you asked for. Good luck with that.

AM have you considered Kraft's close relationship with Goodell is the reason that both he and BB aren't suspended next season? You can bet New England will be given the 'death penalty' if they're caught cheating again. BB will probably retire soon because he won't be allowed to cheat. Karma is legit.

[IndyD4U]

4-0 and playing like an all-pro. There will be a QB controversy in NE when Brady is eligible to return. Garrapolo or Bust 2015

[BloodyChamp]

This isn't a casual fan's forum. I don't need to explain how 4-0 could be worse for Tom Brady than 0-4. It will be 1 or the other. 1-3, 3-1 or 2-2 would be to typical. Nothing like that happens in the NFL anymore, much to ESPN's joy lol!

[Tor]

4-0 would be worse by far. A 4-0 start would prove that Brady is just a cog in Bellichick's wheel. An 0-4 start would reassure Pats' fans and some critics that Brady IS the Patriots and they cannot win without him.

[BloodyChamp]

One thing I failed to consider - Bill is smart enough to throw the first 4 games to avoid a QB controversey.

[braveheartcolt]

Look, the Pats could trott out Doug Flutie at QB and still beat the Jags. So they are not going 0-4.

[akcolt]

They will beat the Bills too they have no QB and with the whole off season to prepare beating the Steelers at home wouldn't be a huge surprise.

They will have so much practice footage BB will know the Steelers game plan better than Big Ben.

Seriously I think they find away to go 500

Pitt @Bills Jags @Dallas. They beat the Bills and Jags

[BloodyChamp]

Somebody else has no qb to lol who O who could it be

[bestQBever]

0-4 wouldn't hurt it at all. The only thing that could call it to question is 4-0 and THEN they lose to us after brady comes back.

[GoColts8818]

What hurts the most thst is from now on whenever he's talked about as an all time great someone is going to go "yeah but he cheated". I'd much rather be known as a playoff choker than a cheater but maybe that's just me.

[nburgmei]

What hurts the most thst is from now on whenever he's talked about as an all time great someone is going to go "yeah but he cheated". I'd much rather be known as a playoff choker than a cheater but maybe that's just me.

I'll be honest, I'm actually kind of upset that he's a cheater. He's one of the all time greats, has been a part of a special rivalry with Manning for years, and now it's all a little tainted.

 

Now all Manning vs Brady debates won't even make it past, "he's a cheater!"

[crazycolt1]

One thing I failed to consider - Bill is smart enough to throw the first 4 games to avoid a QB controversey.

BB is not going to tank any games. That's totally not going to happen. The key for any team is to win their division and the Patriots are no different.

[amfootball]

This isn't a casual fan's forum. I don't need to explain how 4-0 could be worse for Tom Brady than 0-4. It will be 1 or the other. 1-3, 3-1 or 2-2 would be to typical. Nothing like that happens in the NFL anymore, much to ESPN's joy lol!

lol. Really? 4 regular season wins would somehow reflect poorly on the sports most accomplished player of all time? lol. Nice try. But just as a reminder, Cassell went 11-5 and then was shipped to KC. Every Pats fan wants 4-0 assuming Brady even misses that many games. Unlike 2008, he will play so every win is paramount. Go Jimmy!

[Crofan]

What if Patriots win first 4 games and Garoppolo plays graet?

Does Bill stays with Jimmy or he goes back to Brady?

 

 

 

[jvan1973]

What if Patriots win first 4 games and Garoppolo plays graet?

Does Bill stays with Jimmy or he goes back to Brady?

He goes back to Brady..

[wig]

First four games next year don't change his legacy. He'll always be known as a very good QB that cheated in order to be great, with four illegitimate SBs to back it up.

[jvan1973]

lol. Really? 4 regular season wins would somehow reflect poorly on the sports most accomplished player of all time? lol. Nice try. But just as a reminder, Cassell went 11-5 and then was shipped to KC. Every Pats fan wants 4-0 assuming Brady even misses that many games. Unlike 2008, he will play so every win is paramount. Go Jimmy!

Most accomplished indeed. He has the record for most games suspended by a QB for cheating

[Valpo2004]

the pats without brady as it stands is 4 games. they play the steelers bills jaguars and cowboys. I see 1-3

 

Nah Bills and Jags should give him at least 2 wins.  And Belichek's coaching might get him past either the Steelers or the Cowboys although it might be tough.  If your games are in order (too lazy to check) Steelers are a tough draw for his first ever game and Cowboys should theoretically be too talented to lose to a QB playing his 4th game.

 

But I'm pretty confident he can take the Bills and Jags.

[Valpo2004]

Why are the Bills obvious? That team is decent QB play away from being a contender and Rexy knows the Pats very well. As it stands, I'd say the Bills overall team minus QB is better than the Pats overall team minus QB. And the Pats will be minus QB for their matchup.

 

They are decent QB play away from being a contender.  Problem is they don't have decent QB play.

 

If Kyle Orton was still on this team I would give the Bills a slight edge.  But they are gonna roll with Matt Cassel I believe.  I don't see it being enough to get them past the pats.