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by the end of the year, everyone will be singing praises to grigs for drafting dorsett. 

 

IMO people are frustrated we all want to stop the run & run the ball & people feel Moncrief & Hilton are fast & Dorsett was a luxury pick ,

 

Moncrief has looked good in a limited basis & T.Y has looked great most games but has on occasion not been able to contribute IMO Dorsett can be on the other side of the field & take some of the pressure off T.Y , A pick your poison type of situation that will with benefit our offense a great deal .

 

People singing praises don't hold your breath those complaining are doing what they do best they will just change the subject & continue on there path complaining is a full time job for some .

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IMO people are frustrated we all want to stop the run & run the ball & people feel Moncrief & Hilton are fast & Dorsett was a luxury pick ,

 

Moncrief has looked good in a limited basis & T.Y has looked great most games but has on occasion not been able to contribute IMO Dorsett can be on the other side of the field & take some of the pressure off T.Y , A pick your poison type of situation that will with benefit our offense a great deal .

 

People singing praises don't hold your breath those complaining are doing what they do best they will just change the subject & continue on there path complaining is a full time job for some .

 

 

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by the end of the year, everyone will be singing praises to grigs for drafting dorsett.

They're not complaining they're just "laying some reality" on you!

I love the player, but I wasn't crazy about the pick. After sleeping on it I realized they've been saying all along that they want playmakers. Great draft as far as I'm concerned. Only time will tell if that's true.

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The Collts also have to not get gashed in the running game for people to praise Griggs for the Dorsett pick. That's the other side of the coin for that pick that can't be ignored. The opportunity cost for spending your first round pick on a position of strength was not adding a high caliber defensive player at a position of need. Dorsett could be T.Y. on steroids but if the Dline is still getting run over by teams like the Pats then some will still take issue with the pick. They wouldn't necessarily be wrong or bad fans for doing so either.

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Our biggest problem on defense when it came to those games we looked bad in was getting off of blocks. Guys were in the backfield and missing tackles. But again the biggest problem was being in position and then getting off of blocks to make the play.

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The Collts also have to not get gashed in the running game for people to praise Griggs for the Dorsett pick. That's the other side of the coin for that pick that can't be ignored. The opportunity cost for spending your first round pick on a position of strength was not adding a high caliber defensive player at a position of need. Dorsett could be T.Y. on steroids but if the Dline is still getting run over by teams like the Pats then some will still take issue with the pick. They wouldn't necessarily be wrong or bad fans for doing so either.

 

I am one of those who have been sick & tired of watching my Colts get gashed by every team our running on offense needs to improve & stopping the run on D .

 

I will just say 1 pick at WR changes nothing we went after defense we signed defense now we need to see how it plays out , No one has crystal balls but I will just say - If our D don't stop the Run  Chuck Pagano & his DC need shipped out  .

 

We needed offensive line & defensive line we needed CB' & a safety  we got them in FA & the draft how has needs not been addressed ?

 

I am not 100 % happy that will come when my Colts take the field & show me they can stop the run .

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Had it been the same draft with a speedy WR in the 3rd, no one would have cared.  They still primarily drafted defense. 

 

Opinions on draft day...  Jerry Hughes was the most popular Colts draft pick of the past 15 years or so - universally praised - while the Reggie Wayne pick was one of the more hated.  The Werner pick was fairly popular as well, as was the Richardson trade.  You see where I'm going with this.  Who knows what will happen. 

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I am one of those who have been sick & tired of watching my Colts get gashed by every team our running on offense needs to improve & stopping the run on D .

 

I will just say 1 pick at WR changes nothing we went after defense we signed defense now we need to see how it plays out , No one has crystal balls but I will just say - If our D don't stop the Run  Chuck Pagano & his DC need shipped out  .

 

We needed offensive line & defensive line we needed CB' & a safety  we got them in FA & the draft how has needs not been addressed ?

 

I am not 100 % happy that will come when my Colts take the field & show me they can stop the run .

Again - except for the Patriots, who are these "every teams" that have gashed us on the ground?

Please enlighten me, I must have missed it.

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I am one of those who have been sick & tired of watching my Colts get gashed by every team our running on offense needs to improve & stopping the run on D .

 

I will just say 1 pick at WR changes nothing we went after defense we signed defense now we need to see how it plays out , No one has crystal balls but I will just say - If our D don't stop the Run  Chuck Pagano & his DC need shipped out  .

 

We needed offensive line & defensive line we needed CB' & a safety  we got them in FA & the draft how has needs not been addressed ?

 

I am not 100 % happy that will come when my Colts take the field & show me they can stop the run .

I hear you but I'd feel better about our defensive line if we were able to add a guy like Brown at DT in the first as opposed to Parra in the sixth. It's the opportunity cost of us taking a receiver so high. Sure we eventually addressed the need at DT but we could have done so by adding a higher caliber of player. As it stands right now I'm not convinced the additions will be enough on the Dline. We will see though.

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The Collts also have to not get gashed in the running game for people to praise Griggs for the Dorsett pick. That's the other side of the coin for that pick that can't be ignored. The opportunity cost for spending your first round pick on a position of strength was not adding a high caliber defensive player at a position of need. Dorsett could be T.Y. on steroids but if the Dline is still getting run over by teams like the Pats then some will still take issue with the pick. They wouldn't necessarily be wrong or bad fans for doing so either.

This guy gets it!

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I respect the run and stop the run folks....Commenters and fans treat the passing game like its pornography..they want to keep in the closet

..But no matter what our manegement says...They realize that we

 

.1) Have one of the top 2 or 3 passers in the NFL..

 2.) Play at least 8 games indoors and six in a warm weather division..pass friendly situations

 and 3.) Play in an era when rules beg you to throw the ball 40-50 times a game.

 

  We have always built our team around an elite passing attack and this No,.1 choice which bulks up one of our strengths only reflects facts already in evidence..

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I like this pick.  The entire off season is about getting past the Pats and getting to the SB.  Pats lost their man corners, and the Colts made it impossible to double team anyone they have on the field for their offence.  If Parry and Anderson can help even a little bit, the force team to try to beat them in a shoot out rather than running it down our throats. 

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Again - except for the Patriots, who are these "every teams" that have gashed us on the ground?

Please enlighten me, I must have missed it.

 

I'll be happy too  while every team may be a slight stretch  the Patriots are the only team you can come up with  ??  I guess it depends on your interpretation of gashed , Is in mine it is something that has clearly defined as ,

 

Pretty much any team that has wanted to run on the Colts has for many years sorry you missed it .

 

Jaguars MJD , Fred Taylor & Alvin Pearman  were the worst 375 between them they woulda had more but I think they were worn out .

 

All teams consider the run to be our Achilles heel & it has been for a decade outside of the 2006 playoffs when the 32'nd defense in the regular season became unstoppable starting with the Chiefs .

 

But not much before or since .   Our Run D looked pretty good at times last year , Still not near good enough . 

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Most all this that didn't like the pick, including myself wasn't knocking his talent. What I didn't understand is why we didn't feel a NEED instead of a luxury. I have no doubt the kid will be a stud. But who's to say Brown won't be as well. Pick your poison I guess. Brown could be stuffing our run for years to come. Or Dorsett could of been scorching our secondary.

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Had it been the same draft with a speedy WR in the 3rd, no one would have cared.  They still primarily drafted defense. 

 

Opinions on draft day...  Jerry Hughes was the most popular Colts draft pick of the past 15 years or so - universally praised - while the Reggie Wayne pick was one of the more hated.  The Werner pick was fairly popular as well, as was the Richardson trade.  You see where I'm going with this.  Who knows what will happen. 

 

Thank You for bringing up Jerry Hughes we could have drafted defense , But no player comes with a guarantee ,

 

And the thing some seem to overlook is that the D- line help we need may have already been signed not to mention UDFA's  , 

 

Irsay said they were thinking about trading out of that position until they realized they could get a WR they really coveted , So IMO that pick was either a WR or extra picks .

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The Collts also have to not get gashed in the running game for people to praise Griggs for the Dorsett pick. That's the other side of the coin for that pick that can't be ignored. The opportunity cost for spending your first round pick on a position of strength was not adding a high caliber defensive player at a position of need. Dorsett could be T.Y. on steroids but if the Dline is still getting run over by teams like the Pats then some will still take issue with the pick. They wouldn't necessarily be wrong or bad fans for doing so either.

This!

 

Had it been the same draft with a speedy WR in the 3rd, no one would have cared.  They still primarily drafted defense. 

 

Opinions on draft day...  Jerry Hughes was the most popular Colts draft pick of the past 15 years or so - universally praised - while the Reggie Wayne pick was one of the more hated.  The Werner pick was fairly popular as well, as was the Richardson trade.  You see where I'm going with this.  Who knows what will happen. 

The talent available in the first round when we took Dorsett was much better than the talent that would have been available if we were to take a speedy WR in the 3rd.  As for Jerry Hughes, he was/is clearly very talented (though some say his numbers are inflated because he has the insanely talented Buffalo DL in front of him).  The coaches just didn't know how to use him.

 

Again - except for the Patriots, who are these "every teams" that have gashed us on the ground?

Please enlighten me, I must have missed it.

Eagles game: McCoy and Sproles combine for 105 yards on 23 carries

First Texans game: Foster and Blue go for 131 yards on 23 carries

Pittsburgh: Blount and Bell combine for 113 yards on 30 carries

Second Texans game: Foster and Blue combine for 125 yards on on 34 carries

 

And even if every other team doesn't gash us, the Pats do.  We can't let any team gash us for 200+ yards if we expect to win a Super Bowl.  If a team does it once, you say it's a bad week.  The Pats have done it consistently.  If we want to beat the Pats, we need to figure that out.

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I like Dorsett as a player but don't like the pick. Offense was not the problem last year. Luck threw for 40 TD's without Dorsett. We had enough offensive weapons with Hilton, Johnson, Moncrief, Fleener, Allen, and Gore. He could have been the BPA but it wasn't the best value, not with so many needs on defense. Collins and Brown were still on the board and would have had more of an impact. 

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The only problem I have with this draft is that it's the polar opposite approach that we took in free agency.  The consensus seems to be we took players that could outplay their draft position, but didn't fill an immediate need.  Why sign a bunch of veterans with a win now mentality, then draft guys that will barely see the field this year if those signings work out, especially when there were players on the board that could have filled significant needs for this upcoming year.  Don't get me wrong, I think we're farther away than an AFC Championship game appearance would suggest, and I prefer the draft strategy we used over the free agency strategy, but at least be consistent.  Are we going for it this year or not?

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This!

 

The talent available in the first round when we took Dorsett was much better than the talent that would have been available if we were to take a speedy WR in the 3rd.  As for Jerry Hughes, he was/is clearly very talented (though some say his numbers are inflated because he has the insanely talented Buffalo DL in front of him).  The coaches just didn't know how to use him.

 

Eagles game: McCoy and Sproles combine for 105 yards on 23 carries

First Texans game: Foster and Blue go for 131 yards on 23 carries

Pittsburgh: Blount and Bell combine for 113 yards on 30 carries

Second Texans game: Foster and Blue combine for 125 yards on on 34 carries

 

And even if every other team doesn't gash us, the Pats do.  We can't let any team gash us for 200+ yards if we expect to win a Super Bowl.  If a team does it once, you say it's a bad week.  The Pats have done it consistently.  If we want to beat the Pats, we need to figure that out.

You made my point. When we talk about teams gnashing us, we're talking about the Pats. I don't consider any of those games you posted "gashing". Two were wins, for crying out loud!

We were decent against the run last year...EXCEPT... And yes, we need to do better against them if we want to take the next step.

But let's keep it real, the run defense is not a dire issue.

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The only problem I have with this draft is that it's the polar opposite approach that we took in free agency.  The consensus seems to be we took players that could outplay their draft position, but didn't fill an immediate need.  Why sign a bunch of veterans with a win now mentality, then draft guys that will barely see the field this year if those signings work out, especially when there were players on the board that could have filled significant needs for this upcoming year.  Don't get me wrong, I think we're farther away than an AFC Championship game appearance would suggest, and I prefer the draft strategy we used over the free agency strategy, but at least be consistent.  Are we going for it this year or not?

 

Honestly, They way Grigson was talking the weeks leading up to the draft, I believe he felt as though we had the talent in the trenches, but injuries and youth got in the way.  He was quoted as saying : "Some guys just need to step up, they have to."  This draft I think was more for quality, rotational scheme fits.  Good rotation leads to fresh players throughout the game.  And that is better than having a player at 100% at the start of the game, but winded by the 3rd quarter.  (atleast in my opinion.)

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To be better at stopping the run the Colts have to draft 1 DE (done), 1 NT (done), 2 ILBs, 1 SS (done).

It was easier to draft 1 speedster to make life easier for Hilton than draft 2 3-down ILBs.

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This!

The talent available in the first round when we took Dorsett was much better than the talent that would have been available if we were to take a speedy WR in the 3rd. As for Jerry Hughes, he was/is clearly very talented (though some say his numbers are inflated because he has the insanely talented Buffalo DL in front of him). The coaches just didn't know how to use him.

Eagles game: McCoy and Sproles combine for 105 yards on 23 carries

First Texans game: Foster and Blue go for 131 yards on 23 carries

Pittsburgh: Blount and Bell combine for 113 yards on 30 carries

Second Texans game: Foster and Blue combine for 125 yards on on 34 carries

And even if every other team doesn't gash us, the Pats do. We can't let any team gash us for 200+ yards if we expect to win a Super Bowl. If a team does it once, you say it's a bad week. The Pats have done it consistently. If we want to beat the Pats, we need to figure that out.

Hmm I don't really care for combined runners stats but when it comes to the pats they usually have 1 runner that has 200 yards

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Dorsett is gonna be a beast yeah. But answer this. What if Dorsett is one of the best rookie WR's in the NFL, But one or all of Malcolm Brown, Eddie Goldman, or Landon Collins have just an absolute monster season, and is one of the best defensive rookies in the league while we're still struggling to stop the run or are getting bad play from our safeties. Then what?

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You made my point. When we talk about teams gnashing us, we're talking about the Pats. I don't consider any of those games you posted "gashing". Two were wins, for crying out loud!

We were decent against the run last year...EXCEPT... And yes, we need to do better against them if we want to take the next step.

But let's keep it real, the run defense is not a dire issue.

I think a big reason for getting continually steamrolled by the Pats is defensive scheming.  I think Belichick and Brady have figured out how to beat it.  When you can dominate a defense so many times in a row, I think it suggests you've figured it out.  Some more talent along the defensive line would help, though.

 

Hmm I don't really care for combined runners stats but when it comes to the pats they usually have 1 runner that has 200 yards

I included those for completeness.  If you see the opposing RB has 65 yards, that's not a big deal.  But if the two opposing RBs have 65 yards each, then it's a big deal.

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Dorsett is gonna be a beast yeah. But answer this. What if Dorsett is one of the best rookie WR's in the NFL, But one or all of Malcolm Brown, Eddie Goldman, or Landon Collins have just an absolute monster season, and is one of the best defensive rookies in the league while we're still struggling to stop the run or are getting bad play from our safeties. Then what?

 

you know what my mom use to say about if and buts. if and buts were candy and nuts

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I like Dorsett as a player but don't like the pick. Offense was not the problem last year. Luck threw for 40 TD's without Dorsett. We had enough offensive weapons with Hilton, Johnson, Moncrief, Fleener, Allen, and Gore. He could have been the BPA but it wasn't the best value, not with so many needs on defense. Collins and Brown were still on the board and would have had more of an impact. 

 

Offense was certainly a problem in the AFC title game, which is what everyone here seems to want to base the draft on.

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I think a big reason for getting continually steamrolled by the Pats is defensive scheming.  I think Belichick and Brady have figured out how to beat it.  When you can dominate a defense so many times in a row, I think it suggests you've figured it out.  Some more talent along the defensive line would help, though.

 

I included those for completeness.  If you see the opposing RB has 65 yards, that's not a big deal.  But if the two opposing RBs have 65 yards each, then it's a big deal.

 

Another big reason we got steamrolled in the AFC title game was because of the Pats' scheme against our offense.

 

T.Y. was doubled and none of our other WRs could get open.  Many of our opponents talked about doubling T.Y. that year.  The Pats were one of the few teams that "walked the walk."  And then they shut down Moncrief and Wayne as well.  Their LBs were able to hang with Fleener and Allen.

 

Consequently, the Pats had no fear of stacking the box on running downs.  Could not run or pass.

 

Yeah, we got gashed w/ the run but it wasn't that bad in the first half.  One very poor ST play put the Colts in a hole.  We also got dominated when our offense was on the field. 

 

The defense was on the field for almost the entirety of the second half, it seemed.

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I think a big reason for getting continually steamrolled by the Pats is defensive scheming.  I think Belichick and Brady have figured out how to beat it.  When you can dominate a defense so many times in a row, I think it suggests you've figured it out.  Some more talent along the defensive line would help, though.

 

I included those for completeness.  If you see the opposing RB has 65 yards, that's not a big deal.  But if the two opposing RBs have 65 yards each, then it's a big deal.

 

 

Agree with your first paragraph.  Simply put, they have our number.  We can justify it all we want - TY was the only valid WR, we're missing player X, they used soft footballs, etc.  Bottom line, they're better prepared and coached, and make better adjustments.  I really don't think their talent is that much (to justify the scores) better than us.

 

As far as your second paragraph, numbers don't tell the entire story.  It's when those yards were gained, and if they really mattered.  And those numbers weren't what I would call 'dominating' either.

 

I know what you're saying, but my point was that we were decent against the run last season - minus the Pats.  Not great, but certainly good enough where it didn't cost us the games.  Even counting the Pats, we were in the middle of the pack on run D.  Room to improve, for sure.

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I think a big reason for getting continually steamrolled by the Pats is defensive scheming. I think Belichick and Brady have figured out how to beat it. When you can dominate a defense so many times in a row, I think it suggests you've figured it out. Some more talent along the defensive line would help, though.

I included those for completeness. If you see the opposing RB has 65 yards, that's not a big deal. But if the two opposing RBs have 65 yards each, then it's a big deal.

Yeah you're right but tbh no1 but the pats and say Arian foster demolished us all the others had one long gain to skew their ypc we did solid on run defense but always had a runner go for a solid gain during a game that we must stop from happening the big plays have to go but I fully agree with you

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He has Luck as his QB, it's his opportunity to blow. Luck will make you good unless you're someone like DHB

Still won't justify taking a WR with Defensive talent heavy on the board but if he works out I'll take it. Still won't like it regardless, but I'll cheer for him long as he's in a horseshoe helmet

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Another big reason we got steamrolled in the AFC title game was because of the Pats' scheme against our offense.

 

T.Y. was doubled and none of our other WRs could get open.  Many of our opponents talked about doubling T.Y. that year.  The Pats were one of the few teams that "walked the walk."  And then they shut down Moncrief and Wayne as well.  Their LBs were able to hang with Fleener and Allen.

 

Consequently, the Pats had no fear of stacking the box on running downs.  Could not run or pass.

 

Yeah, we got gashed w/ the run but it wasn't that bad in the first half.  One very poor ST play put the Colts in a hole.  We also got dominated when our offense was on the field. 

 

The defense was on the field for almost the entirety of the second half, it seemed.

I agree.  I do think it's important to note that that was only one game.  In other matchups against the Pats, Luck has been able to throw for quite a lot of yards, but we've still been steamrolled by the Pats' running game.  For what it's worth, I think Dorsett will be a great player.

 

Agree with your first paragraph.  Simply put, they have our number.  We can justify it all we want - TY was the only valid WR, we're missing player X, they used soft footballs, etc.  Bottom line, they're better prepared and coached, and make better adjustments.  I really don't think their talent is that much (to justify the scores) better than us.

 

As far as your second paragraph, numbers don't tell the entire story.  It's when those yards were gained, and if they really mattered.  And those numbers weren't what I would call 'dominating' either.

 

I know what you're saying, but my point was that we were decent against the run last season - minus the Pats.  Not great, but certainly good enough where it didn't cost us the games.  Even counting the Pats, we were in the middle of the pack on run D.  Room to improve, for sure.

I agree.  The run defense was decent, save for a few games.  While I think scheming needs to be changed on defense (I would have been ecstatic if we had signed Rex Ryan as a defensive coordinator, though I don't know how realistic that was), I think we need better talent on the defensive side of the ball, especially in the front 7.

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Dorsett is gonna be a beast yeah. But answer this. What if Dorsett is one of the best rookie WR's in the NFL, But one or all of Malcolm Brown, Eddie Goldman, or Landon Collins have just an absolute monster season, and is one of the best defensive rookies in the league while we're still struggling to stop the run or are getting bad play from our safeties. Then what?

I really hope this was a sarcastic post.

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Dorsett is gonna be a beast yeah. But answer this. What if Dorsett is one of the best rookie WR's in the NFL, But one or all of Malcolm Brown, Eddie Goldman, or Landon Collins have just an absolute monster season, and is one of the best defensive rookies in the league while we're still struggling to stop the run or are getting bad play from our safeties. Then what?

It won't matter if we have the Pats outmatched with our receivers. Dorsett won't see the field that much if the Pats are running out down our throat.

Also anyone who thinks Dorsett is going to be difference make against the Pats is severely underestimating BB.

It's not just about putting up points. You have to stop the opposing team from putting up points and controlling the clock.We dropped 34 on the Steelers and still lost. Part of that was Vontae being out, but Blount and Bell were also to blame.

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