How many here think Werner is a bust?

[NewColtsFan 8,342]

Grantland says we should trade him

 

29. Indianapolis Colts

Colts send: 2015-1-29, 2015-2-61, 2016-1, Bjoern Werner

Washington sends: 2015-1-5

Let’s put the Colts all in for Leonard Williams. Brian Burke’s excellent Bayesian mock draft tool estimates there’s a 24 percent chance he’s still on the board at no. 5, where Washington is actually relatively set up front. Washington invested in Jason Hatcher and Stephen Paea at defensive end during the last two offseasons, and while Williams will likely prove to be better than either, it would be tough for Scot McCloughan to justify using so many of the limited assets available to him in one spot with holes elsewhere on the roster.

The Colts, though? They still need run defenders. Williams would give Chuck Pagano a mammoth piece for his front seven, a stout 5-technique end who would step in across from Arthur Jones and give the Colts a fighting chance against LeGarrette Blount when the Patriots and Colts inevitably face off in the playoffs again in 2015. Kendall Langford is sufficiently cheap enough to move into a rotation role. Two first-rounders would be a lot to give up for a defensive lineman, but given the likelihood that those picks will each fall in the twenties, it’s not quite as severe as it might seem on first glance. Indy would also send Werner as a pass-rush flier to Washington.

 

Two #1's and Werner would not get Washington's 5th overall pick.

 

And I don't even think it's close....

[Dustin 89]

I don't think he's a bust; I think the guy didn't start playing football until college. I think with time he might become a decent to solid player but not a Mathis type player; it's not like he was a top 10 or even top 20 pick!

He played football in high school for two years.

[NewColtsFan 8,342]

Too soon for me to call him a bust....   but he's a very big disappointment.

 

He gets this year to see if he can elevate himself to a solid player....

 

He should not be a rush linebacker.    He should be on the strong side setting the edge with Walden.   That's Werner's best trait.

[pacolts56 3,909]

Too soon for me to call him a bust....   but he's a very big disappointment.

 

He gets this year to see if he can elevate himself to a solid player....

 

He should not be a rush linebacker.    He should be on the strong side setting the edge with Walden.   That's Werner's best trait.

This.

 

As it stands now he probably should have been drafted in the 3rd or 4th round.

[BullsColtsFan1 191]

I think he's had flashes but just hasn't been consistent.  This past year was a perfect year to break through with Mathis out and he didn't.  He's not quite a bust but will have one more year to prove himself imo.

[Hammer 163]

He's slow but weak....yea, I'd call him a bust.

[#12 0]

We tend to overrate and make excuses for our own players.  If he were a Texan, it would take posters a fraction of a second to say, bust. 

 

Of course he's a bust.  Dude didn't even dress for the biggest game of the season. 

[CanuckColt 428]

It is kinda early to tell...so far he has not shown much but could develop into a solid player.

He certainly is NOT a first round talent...maybe not even a 2nd rounder.

[ColtsLegacy 581]

Dion Jordan is a bust.

[iLoveMyBoys 0]

He's definitely a bust as a elite pass rusher and where he was drafted.

But i will say that I wouldn't mind if he was our starting SAM because it seems like thats where we will get the best bang for our buck

[21isSuperman 998]

He hasn't met his expectations, nor as he lived up to the hype Grigson and Pagano gave him (which seems to be a common theme with those two).  But I think he's a decent run defender.  He isn't worth the first round pick we used for him in our defense, but he still has a role

[Superman 9,190]

Two #1's and Werner would not get Washington's 5th overall pick.

 

And I don't even think it's close....

 

Add in our 2nd. I think it's close. I wouldn't do it for the Colts.

[bap1331 11]

Hes not a bust. Just an average player. Bust would be someone who completely lacks work ethic and shows nothing on the field.

[NewColtsFan 8,342]

Add in our 2nd. I think it's close. I wouldn't do it for the Colts.

 

I wouldn't do it either.....        (I don't think....)

[coltsfanatic24 107]

He doesn't have the speed or pass rush moves to be a great passer rusher, but he's good against the run. For how high he was drafted it's been a disappointment.

[BOTT 1,314]

Dude is a total stiff.

[bravo4460 522]

He's not a dang 3-4 LB

If he goes to a 4-3 he dominates in 3 seasons.....

Colts front office fault here.

[BOTT 1,314]

He's not a dang 3-4 LB

If he goes to a 4-3 he dominates in 3 seasons.....

Colts front office fault here.

So you think he has looked good when the colts are in a 43 and he has his hand in the dirt? Lol....

[jvan1973 5,343]

He's not a dang 3-4 LB

If he goes to a 4-3 he dominates in 3 seasons.....

Colts front office fault here.

he has been far from dominant when playing in a 4-3 here

[DougDew 2,566]

Like others have said, I think its looking like Werner was overdrafted, but he's not a bust.  If he takes over for Walden as the starting SAM after this coming season, and was replaced on obvious passing plays with more of an edge rusher, that would be fine with me.

 

No point in continuously whining about where someone was drafted when they can be a very useful contributor on your defense for many years. 

 

To get a player who is both stout enough to set the edge in the running game AND be a dynamic pass rusher probably takes a top 15 pick.  Since the Colts will never be picking in the top 15, they're going to have to use a rotational combo to hold up to the run on obvious running downs and rush the passer on obvious passing downs. 

 

Just like I might want Werner replaced on 3rd and 8, I don't want Newsome in much on 1st and 10 either.

[Horse Shoe Heaven 184]

To soon to say bust, but would like to see big improvement this year. I have seen some flashes but need more for sure! If he doesn't improve this year yes I would say a first RD bust. Because he I would be playing like a 4/5 round guy!

[arkana04 0]

Based on him being a first round pick and what hes contributed so far. 

 

absolutely i dont quite know how anyone could say otherwise. 

[CanuckColt 428]

He's not a dang 3-4 LB

If he goes to a 4-3 he dominates in 3 seasons.....

Colts front office fault here.

Yep.  That's one where Uncle Bill was right..."never draft a player 'out of position'".

[SteelDragon 29]

Undetermined as of yet. However, it's not looking good.

[Kezzarino 0]

Could be used as trade bait for draft pick or to move up?? to a 4-3 team obvioulsly

[John Dee 44]

 

How many Colts did get to the QB consistently last season?   NOBODY...   He was picked in the mid 20's to expect him to be another Robert Mathis is asinine.    He was drafted to play behind Mathis NOT TAKE HIS PLACE.     He is not an edge rusher.     The Colt staff needs to utilize him where he will fit best.   

 

And quite honestly..     compared to others on the DL I don't find his performance all that disappointing.  

 

ONE STUD who will command a double team will change EVERYTHING for every DLmen on this roster. ... 

 

JERRY HUGHES anyone?       

 

No he not a bust....   

[Dustin 89]

double post. 

[Dustin 89]

Dion Jordan is a bust.

 

Jordan is a team player. He's bad, but at least he makes sure he never plays any snaps for his team. 

[CanuckColt 428]

We are keeping Werner and playing him like Walden.

Meanwhile, Grigson said he hopes Werner can work on his pass-rush skills.

[Superman 9,190]

I wouldn't do it either.....        (I don't think....)

 

I wouldn't do it without the second.

 

Maybe I've just cooled on Leonard Williams a lot.

[masterlock 84]

As the Rush backer yes, but I think he still has value setting the edge.

My thoughts exactly. It's not like the Colts wasted a pick on him outright. I think he's a good football player, and a sound tackler with good instincts, but not a great pass rusher.

[OLD FAN MAN 61]

draft picks are always iffy and most of the time projects, that is why I like to trade picks for proven players except at the qb position

[Grigs build the lines plz. 0]

His expectations weren't that high to be considered a bust, just a lousy first round pick.

[ColtsBlueFL 4,385]

When the words came out "And with the 24th pick of the 2013 NFL Draft, the Indianapolis Colts choose:

 

I even said "Xavier R....what tha?? " 

 

I believe there were more than a few of us fans that did the same thing that night...

 

When I saw Werner vs. Jax Jags last year in person in game 3, that is when my heart and hope for him began to slide.  Quickly. How disappointed I was. Not being able to finish plays Freeney and Mathis had completed with spectacular results. Seemed Werner was a day late and a dollar short nearly every play he could have been involved in.  This is when I realized-

 

A. Blake Bortles was better than everyone was making him out to be  (forced into playing in second half because Henne just sucked so bad)

B. Werner was not as talented as his round 1 selection had me believing he must be (Admit I was never a fan of the pick in the first place, but willing to wait and see)

 

In reality, even though it was this combo of the two, it was the realization of the second part that was most disheartening to me. Until the AFCCG.  :-(

[bravo4460 522]

So you think he has looked good when the colts are in a 43 and he has his hand in the dirt? Lol....

He was pretty darn good in college.... I know it doesn't always translate but there's obviously a problem somewhere.

Maybe spending to much time working at LB in the 3-4 and not enough time practicing with his hand in the dirt.

Can't place all of the blame on Werner like most are doing. Colts should have never have taken him. No scheme fit what so ever.

[ColtsBlueFL 4,385]

My thoughts exactly. It's not like the Colts wasted a pick on him outright. I think he's a good football player, and a sound tackler with good instincts, but not a great pass rusher.

 

He has other faults.  Pittsburgh game, down 44-34.  4th and inches and Pitt goes for it.  We blitz and have every thing covered and sniffed out.... except... our man Werner bit on the run fake, while his man Heath Miller slips behind him into the end zone where Big Ben hits him for the dagger TD (and record) that ends our hope at a comeback. Watch for yourself, if you can stomach a play from that game again. Werner wasn't even within 5 yards when Miller caught it.

 

http://www.steelers.com/videos/videos/Colts-vs-Steelers-Miller-catches-11-yd-TD-pass/8a449f3a-8b56-4611-bf7d-fbc769705976

 

[Freenyfan102 192]

I think he is good so far he stops the run and he does sniff out the screen passes too

[Dustin 89]

Man, you guys have some low standards for what constitutes a good player.

[BlueShoe 526]

He is a 3-4 outside strong side linebacker, who needs to get a little bigger, but we drafted him to be an edge rusher. We certainly over-drafted him, but he is not a bust.

The situation reminds me of Rob Morris, who was not the right fit at MIKE, but played outstanding as a SAM.

[braveheartcolt 1,394]

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