Manning re-doing contract

[oldunclemark]

There is more than one published report that what Peyton Manning is doing talking to Denver this week is not discussing whether he'll

comeback but how to re-do his contract so the team can keep Demariyus Thomas and 'Pot Roast' Knighton..

He doesnt want DT walking

...I think the Broncos owe Manning 19 mil for 2015 and the cap hit is higher than that...counting a bonus.

...I don't know if rules allow his deal to be restructured if it is not extended..

(anybody know?)

Manning flew back to Denver this week to talk with John Elway...but the question doesn't appear to be 'whether or not'..but for how much

[Superman]

Link?

 

I've been assuming that he'd re-do his contract this year since he signed.

[krunk]

There is more than one published report that what Peyton Manning is doing talking to Denver this week is not discussing whether he'll

comeback but how to re-do his contract so the team can keep Demariyus Thomas and 'Pot Roast' Knighton..

He doesnt want DT walking

...I think the Broncos owe Manning 19 mil for 2015 and the cap hit is higher than that...counting a bonus.

...I don't know if rules allow his deal to be restructured if it is not extended..

(anybody know?)

Manning flew back to Denver this week to talk with John Elway...but the question doesn't appear to be 'whether or not'..but for how much

 

 

As much as I want Knighton I kept saying they may do more to keep him in Denver now that they've switched over to a 3-4.

Hopefully that doesn't happen and we can pick him up.  We'll see....

[oldunclemark]

Link?

 

I've been assuming that he'd re-do his contract this year since he signed.

Link?

 

I've been assuming that he'd re-do his contract this year since he signed.

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The wrter's name is Ross Tucker..I found it on a Broncos website

Sorry Supe..I couldn't like anything to anything if my life depended on it

[oldunclemark]

As much as I want Knighton I kept saying they may do more to keep him in Denver now that they've switched over to a 3-4.

Hopefully that doesn't happen and we can pick him up.  We'll see....

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That could be what they're talking about...a hybrid 3-4 is what Denver played a lot this year.

They could also be discussing Julius Thomas..

I would guess Manning would want him and Elway might not.

[Superman]

Here's a link: http://nfltraderumors.co/peyton-manning-in-talks-with-broncos-to-restructure-his-contract/

 

No real substance, yet, just a rumor. But it's logical.

[amfootball]

Here's a link: http://nfltraderumors.co/peyton-manning-in-talks-with-broncos-to-restructure-his-contract/

 

No real substance, yet, just a rumor. But it's logical.

How would a restructure work with his contract? Would they try to do an extension and spread the money out? Also, it does not appear the Broncos are in that bad of a cap situation even with Manning making $19 mil.

[ColtsBlueFL]

Peyton still has to pass his physical upcoming.  I expect he will, but should he fail for any reason, I'll be he hangs it up.  In the meantime I'm certain he is not looking for every greenback he can pocket at this time, so a restructuring conversation would make sense.

[Superman]

How would a restructure work with his contract? Would they try to do an extension and spread the money out? Also, it does not appear the Broncos are in that bad of a cap situation even with Manning making $19 mil.

 

It would work however the two sides make it work. The only thing they can't change is the $2.5m in unamortized bonus for 2015 and 2016. They can do whatever they want with the salaries, whether that's reduce them, convert them to bonus, extend the contract, whatever. 

 

They aren't in a bad cap situation, but they have five critical free agents: D. Thomas, J. Thomas, Moore, Knighton and Franklin. If they could reduce his cap hit down to $9m, for instance, then they could probably keep four of those five, even if they have to tag D. Thomas. They probably also want to upgrade at ILB. They have a ton of flexibility because of the nature of their contracts, but if they want to be less reliant on Manning and really surround him with a top notch supporting cast, they need to save all they can.

[southwest1]

Peyton still has to pass his physical upcoming.  I expect he will, but should he fail for any reason, I'll be he hangs it up.  In the meantime I'm certain he is not looking for every greenback he can pocket at this time, so a restructuring conversation would make sense.

If the team wants you to play, you pass. If not, you fail. Elway wants Manning back. #18 will pass with flying colors. 

[oldunclemark]

Peyton still has to pass his physical upcoming.  I expect he will, but should he fail for any reason, I'll be he hangs it up.  In the meantime I'm certain he is not looking for every greenback he can pocket at this time, so a restructuring conversation would make sense.

Peyton does not actually have to pass a physical

That wasonly for the first 3 years of the deal...

[oldunclemark]

Here's a link: http://nfltraderumors.co/peyton-manning-in-talks-with-broncos-to-restructure-his-contract/

 

No real substance, yet, just a rumor. But it's logical.

Thanks, Supe

[oldunclemark]

It would work however the two sides make it work. The only thing they can't change is the $2.5m in unamortized bonus for 2015 and 2016. They can do whatever they want with the salaries, whether that's reduce them, convert them to bonus, extend the contract, whatever. 

 

They aren't in a bad cap situation, but they have five critical free agents: D. Thomas, J. Thomas, Moore, Knighton and Franklin. If they could reduce his cap hit down to $9m, for instance, then they could probably keep four of those five, even if they have to tag D. Thomas. They probably also want to upgrade at ILB. They have a ton of flexibility because of the nature of their contracts, but if they want to be less reliant on Manning and really surround him with a top notch supporting cast, they need to save all they can.

I think they want to lock certain guys in beyond the time Manning will play...

That's why Julius Thomas may be a sticking point,,,I;m sure Peyton wants him but Elway may be disappointed in him..and I don't think he's worth a franchise tag...

There is also the possibility that Denver wants to make space for a right tackle like the Packets Brian Bulaga...again..more speculation

[Superman]

I think they want to lock certain guys in beyond the time Manning will play...

That's why Julius Thomas may be a sticking point,,,I;m sure Peyton wants him but Elway may be disappointed in him..and I don't think he's worth a franchise tag...

There is also the possibility that Denver wants to make space for a right tackle like the Packets Brian Bulaga...again..more speculation

 

Why would anyone be disappointed in Julius Thomas?

[oldunclemark]

He couldn't stay on the field last year when they needed him and he has a long injury history (lost his 1st 2 seasons)

D. Thomas was hurt last year too and he played through it.

I;m always shy about doubting an offensive player who gets hit all the time..saying he should should play through injuries.

But there's talk he's soft....and we're talking a multi year deal

[southwest1]

Woody Paige chimed in on Peyton Manning's situation on the Rich Eisen Show...

 

http://www.richeisenshow.com/2015/02/12/denver-post-wood-paige-talks-peyton-manning-res-21215/

[amfootball]

It would work however the two sides make it work. The only thing they can't change is the $2.5m in unamortized bonus for 2015 and 2016. They can do whatever they want with the salaries, whether that's reduce them, convert them to bonus, extend the contract, whatever. 

 

They aren't in a bad cap situation, but they have five critical free agents: D. Thomas, J. Thomas, Moore, Knighton and Franklin. If they could reduce his cap hit down to $9m, for instance, then they could probably keep four of those five, even if they have to tag D. Thomas. They probably also want to upgrade at ILB. They have a ton of flexibility because of the nature of their contracts, but if they want to be less reliant on Manning and really surround him with a top notch supporting cast, they need to save all they can.

Do you think Manning takes a pay cut? That seems the most logical solution to this if they wan to lower his cap number. I can't see an extension at this point in his career.

[Superman]

Do you think Manning takes a pay cut? That seems the most logical solution to this if they wan to lower his cap number. I can't see an extension at this point in his career.

 

You can extend him to five years, then void the last three years, just so you can split up the bonus money as much as possible. I doubt they sign him to a true five year deal, would just be cap mechanics. 

 

I don't want to predict anything, but I've been assuming that he'd take a cut at this point for three years. Then again, I didn't expect him to get a five year, $19m/year deal when he signed. I don't know anything.

[Superman]

He couldn't stay on the field last year when they needed him and he has a long injury history (lost his 1st 2 seasons)

D. Thomas was hurt last year too and he played through it.

I;m always shy about doubting an offensive player who gets hit all the time..saying he should should play through injuries.

But there's talk he's soft....and we're talking a multi year deal

 

Maybe. I think they want to fully establish their rushing attack, which is better with Virgil Green than with Julius Thomas. But the dude is a serious weapon, one of the best receiving TEs in the league. He's a TD machine when he's healthy. I would think they'd want to keep him, but not at $8m/year or whatever he thinks he'll get in free agency. I don't know...

[amfootball]

You can extend him to five years, then void the last three years, just so you can split up the bonus money as much as possible. I doubt they sign him to a true five year deal, would just be cap mechanics. 

 

I don't want to predict anything, but I've been assuming that he'd take a cut at this point for three years. Then again, I didn't expect him to get a five year, $19m/year deal when he signed. I don't know anything.

Yeah. Me either. This is fascinating. I am interested to see what they do. I really think he comes back next year unless he thinks Elway is being truthful about wanting him back.

[da_pats_troll]

While PM may or may not be open to redoing his contract, the Bronco's dont need him to. They are sitting on 25M of cap space without it, and 50M next year. They can do alot of damage with that.

[oldunclemark]

You can extend him to five years, then void the last three years, just so you can split up the bonus money as much as possible. I doubt they sign him to a true five year deal, would just be cap mechanics. 

 

I don't want to predict anything, but I've been assuming that he'd take a cut at this point for three years. Then again, I didn't expect him to get a five year, $19m/year deal when he signed. I don't know anything.

No, it makes sense......they werent even sure he'd play a 4th year or could be effective..

He gambled on himself..putting the bigger money late in the deal....but he they all want to get back to the Super Bowl...so I think he'll re-do the deal ...especially if it helps Elway keep Julius T and add a right tackle ( a weak spot)

[oldunclemark]

Maybe. I think they want to fully establish their rushing attack, which is better with Virgil Green than with Julius Thomas. But the dude is a serious weapon, one of the best receiving TEs in the league. He's a TD machine when he's healthy. I would think they'd want to keep him, but not at $8m/year or whatever he thinks he'll get in free agency. I don't know...

I think Peyton agrees with you...Julius is a guy he's worked with personally a lot...

But Elway isn't shy about letting guys walk

[oldunclemark]

Can they take his final 2 years and spread them over 3?

$10 mil ...then $15 mil...then $25 mil...knowing that Peyton wont be around in 2017?

[NewColtsFan]

If the team wants you to play, you pass. If not, you fail. Elway wants Manning back. #18 will pass with flying colors. 

 

The Broncos will pass Manning -- no doubt.

 

But Manning undergoes tests with HIS doctors.    They give him their input independent of what the Denver doctors say.

 

And it's my understanding that THAT's the input that Manning values most.    His doctors.

[NewColtsFan]

Not for nothing,  but earlier today on one of the ESPN NFL shows,  two former players, Damien Woody was one of them, were both saying that if Manning is playing for his Legacy,  if he really wants to win another title,  then why is he playing for $19 MIll a year?

 

That both said he should play for less and give money back to Denver so the Broncos could funnel that into more good players.

 

It was stunning as players are very, VERY protective of players and their money.

 

But what they said made perfect sense.    It was good to hear....     

[southwest1]

The Broncos will pass Manning -- no doubt.

 

But Manning undergoes tests with HIS doctors.    They give him their input independent of what the Denver doctors say.

 

And it's my understanding that THAT's the input that Manning values most.    His doctors.

Thanks for the distinction there NCF: Manning's doctors giving Peyton the green light in addition to the Broncos medical staff. I guess I never even considered an examination protocol outside of Invesco Field at Mile High.

 

Peyton has every right to get a 2nd opinion. A smart move. But, most team doctors are among the best surgeons, specialists, & physicians in the world regarding their training & expertise overall. 

[oldunclemark]

That is odd..because the logic there is that if you REALLY want to win...play for free..Did Jay Cutrker make $22 mil last year

I wonder if they feel Ryan Clady ($11 mil a year) should take a pay cut if he really wants to win?

What is being asked is should Peyton take a pay cut so they can keep his teammates.

That makes sense

[oldunclemark]

The Broncos will pass Manning -- no doubt.

 

But Manning undergoes tests with HIS doctors.    They give him their input independent of what the Denver doctors say.

 

And it's my understanding that THAT's the input that Manning values most.    His doctors.

The Broncos will pass Manning -- no doubt.

 

But Manning undergoes tests with HIS doctors.    They give him their input independent of what the Denver doctors say.

 

And it's my understanding that THAT's the input that Manning values most.    His doctors.

NCF...

Manning does not have to pass a physical..That was just the first 3 years of his deal..

I;m sure he'll TAKE a physical.....but its not a requirement for his contract

[southwest1]

Off topic: Wade Phillips "I was a lousy head coach, but a pretty good defensive coordinator." LOL! Now that was funny.  That's what intrigues me--Which DC will be better? Jack Del Rio or Wade Phillips? Fun to watch that's for sure. 

 

I just appreciate Wade's honesty that's all. It's very refreshing to hear actually. Loved his dad & I like Wade. I always have & I always will. 

[oldunclemark]

Off topic: Wade Phillips "I was a lousy head coach, but a pretty good defensive coordinator." LOL! Now that was funny.  That's what intrigues me--Which DC will be better? Jack Del Rio or Wade Phillips? Fun to watch that's for sure.

Wade says he can turn Von Miller loose..suggesting that JDR didn't

Wade is the original football cowboy....you're right..its going to be really interesting to watch..

I dont doubt he called Peyton and told him to get his butt back to Denver. Wade's not politically correct

[csmopar]

NCF...

Manning does not have to pass a physical..That was just the first 3 years of his deal..

I;m sure he'll TAKE a physical.....but its not a requirement for his contract

sportscaster was just saying he has to pass a physical before March 9 in order to play his contract out this year so it sounds like he has to.

[ColtsBlueFL]

If the team wants you to play, you pass. If not, you fail. Elway wants Manning back. #18 will pass with flying colors. 

 

 

I can see the reverse of this.  If a team has 'buyers remorse' they can fail a guy nullifying a trade.  But in these times I really doubt any physician would put his neck and career on the line falsifying a pass on the the physical if there was indeed something wrong.

 

 

Peyton does not actually have to pass a physical

That wasonly for the first 3 years of the deal...

 

No, I don't buy into that. It doesn't make sense.  As he gets older and takes more abuse he would be more likely to fail in years 4 and 5.  I think he must pass a spring physical each year, all 5 years.  Team doctors will pass him, but will his own physicians that did the surgeries and follow ups Let something slide? I doubt it.

[LordHelpOurColts]

Sometimes players just don't know when to hang 'em up. He is cooked, physically, IMO.

[amfootball]

Not for nothing,  but earlier today on one of the ESPN NFL shows,  two former players, Damien Woody was one of them, were both saying that if Manning is playing for his Legacy,  if he really wants to win another title,  then why is he playing for $19 MIll a year?

 

That both said he should play for less and give money back to Denver so the Broncos could funnel that into more good players.

 

It was stunning as players are very, VERY protective of players and their money.

 

But what they said made perfect sense.    It was good to hear....     

I think this is a unique situation which is why the player comments are not typical. Manning has made more money than any player in NFL history. It would make sense at this point to lower his salary in an effort to get the ring but I am not really sure just how good this Denver team is to compete in the AFC. They signed a bunch of FAs last year on the defense and it still had major issues. And then offensively there is still no real run game. They will have to upgrade that and I would also think Kubiak will want to bring in some of his own guys to fit his system. And then they have their own big game FAs to sign. All of this would be helped for sure by Manning taking less money but really that FO has some tough, tough decisions to make this off-season regardless of what Manning does.

[oldunclemark]

 

 

 

No, I don't buy into that. It doesn't make sense.  As he gets older and takes more abuse he would be more likely to fail in years 4 and 5.  I think he must pass a spring physical each year, all 5 years.  Team doctors will pass him, but will his own physicians that did the surgeries and follow ups Let something slide? I doubt it.

[dw49]

 

 

 

No, I don't buy into that. It doesn't make sense.  As he gets older and takes more abuse he would be more likely to fail in years 4 and 5.  I think he must pass a spring physical each year, all 5 years.  Team doctors will pass him, but will his own physicians that did the surgeries and follow ups Let something slide? I doubt it.

That's in the contract...to have his contract validated..he had to be examined the first 3 years..

Its not a requirement now...Check it out..its public knowledge..we've talked about that here

The situation at the time was whether they thought he could play at all..

becauyse of his neck surgeries

Its a moot point because there's nothing wrong with his neck and arm. He was overthrowing guys in the Colts game.

All players take physicals but his deal wont be invalidated if he does not pass because of the leg injury he had

[NYCfan]

Like everyone else here, I have no idea what the facts are about Peyton's negotiation with the Broncos.  Only a handful of people do, and three of them are Peyton, Archie and Elway.  Fill in the blanks for the other two.

 

My personal view is the longer Peyton hangs on, the better it is for the Colts, Ravens, Chargers, Patriots and every other team in the AFC that fancies itself a "contendah."  He is, IMHO, a truly great player who is playing out his string, will win a lot of games between September and November, but won't be able to get it done in December and January.  He will, however, break Favre's remaining records and collect a lot of money from the Broncos, Papa Johns, Buick and whoever else is lucky enough to sign up one of the most well-liked media figures in America.

[oldunclemark]

True...they can simply cut him...but they'd have to and they might not

My point is that if he doesn't pass the exam his contract isn't invalidated.

He might not pass due to his leg injury......they wont cut him for that reason

/The 1st 3 years were 'pass the exam' or your paper goes away...

That's how it was written...we all went over this many, many times 3 years ago

[oldunclemark]

Like everyone else here, I have no idea what the facts are about Peyton's negotiation with the Broncos.  Only a handful of people do, and three of them are Peyton, Archie and Elway.  Fill in the blanks for the other two.

 

My personal view is the longer Peyton hangs on, the better it is for the Colts, Ravens, Chargers, Patriots and every other team in the AFC that fancies itself a "contendah."  He is, IMHO, a truly great player who is playing out his string, will win a lot of games between September and November, but won't be able to get it done in December and January.  He will, however, break Favre's remaining records and collect a lot of money from the Broncos, Papa Johns, Buick and whoever else is lucky enough to sign up one of the most well-liked media figures in America.

You're not the first one to say he's done..Heard it the last 5 years.

Eventually, you'll be right