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and like what Schefter said, they wont know if the nervs in Manning's neck have come back or not till at the EARLIST the 1st of January.

That means Manning can't practice with the team till then and sure as heck can't play in a game till then. Which means that say even if they do find out his nervs came back on the 1st they aren't going to send Manning out there the day they found that out and without any practices all season.

Schefter also said it's more likely they wont come back till February or March. So no Manning is not playing this season. Everyone is telling you that and the reasons why and giving you reasons why beyond just because they don't think he's going to, you just don't want to hear it.

That's the first time Ive hear that he has not been cleared to do football-related activities.

Its odd that he's running and throwing...but you say..he hasnt been cleared.

On DEc.1..His doctor said he has healed./

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Its not about me..You can see the signs...

Maybe Peyton Manning does not want to go winless...

I'm curious as to why you dismiss it as insane and dangerous..

Its football..he's a player...Let a player play.

Because he's still in the process of rehabbing?

Look, he's not ready. He's not going to be ready. No matter how many times you reprhase the same question the answer is still going to be that Peyton Manning is not walking through that door and if the rest of the colts who are cleared to play don't want to go winless, they should put on their big boy pants and go win the game.

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and like what Schefter said, they wont know if the nervs in Manning's neck have come back or not till at the EARLIST the 1st of January.

That means Manning can't practice with the team till then and sure as heck can't play in a game till then. Which means that say even if they do find out his nervs came back on the 1st they aren't going to send Manning out there the day they found that out and without any practices all season.

Schefter also said it's more likely they wont come back till February or March. So no Manning is not playing this season. Everyone is telling you that and the reasons why and giving you reasons why beyond just because they don't think he's going to, you just don't want to hear it.

..so Dr. Adam Shefter says he's throwing the ball even though doctors dont know if he's healed?

He's 'ramping up his throwing' even though doctors dont know if he's healed.

Think about what you're saying here.

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He has been cleared to increase his workouts and throw the ball. He is not cleared to practice or to play. So no, he will not play the last game of the season.

Working out and throwing the ball IS practicing to play/.

He's not going to block or tackle anybody

Signs suggest he'll give it a try......that's all I'm saying.

If we're 0-15....dont bet you life he wont go../He's preparing to play...clearly

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Working out and throwing the ball IS practicing to play/.

He's not going to block or tackle anybody

Signs suggest he'll give it a try......that's all I'm saying.

If we're 0-15....dont bet you life he wont go../He's preparing to play...clearly

Practicing would mean being involved in team activities and practicing with the team, not just throwing to receivers while rehabing. He's not taking snaps and practicing with the team. HE HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED TO DO THIS! He has been cleared to throw and increase workouts and that's what he's been doing.

I don't know why you don't get this. He will need his doctor's clearance to practice and then clearance to play. Since this has not happened, he will not play.

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Practicing would mean being involved in team activities and practicing with the team, not just throwing to receivers while rehabing. He's not taking snaps and practicing with the team. HE HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED TO DO THIS! He has been cleared to throw and increase workouts and that's what he's been doing.

I don't know why you don't get this. He will need his doctor's clearance to practice and then clearance to play. Since this has not happened, he will not play.

Its almost as if you dont want him back, Flash

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I think this is wishful thinking because you're terrified of going winless.

Listen, he was just cleared to start throwing the ball. That doesn't mean he's in any way shape or form game ready. Rushing him back to save the egos of the guys who can't get it done without him is silly. Point blank.

Going winless will not be the end of the world. I promise you the sun will still rise and set and football will continue.

Apparently going winless will be just the beginning, So as Bart Scott would say, CAN'T WAIT!
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I'm not sure why this keeps coming up........... the answer is NO end of story, no discussion.

Its interseting that even though the player says.....YES

..the fan says no you cant play...

Could it be that some want Caldwell fired so badly they dont want a Manning-based victory to get in the way of that?

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I personally see no reason to play Peyton this season. It is a risk that has no benefit. The team can evaluate his progress with out have to take a game time snap. But, if Manning says he is ready to play a few downs and the doctors say he is healthy, who am I to say he cant. lol. More power to him, and it would bring a warm and fuzzy feeling inside me. Although, that probably wont happen.

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Its almost as if you dont want him back, Flash

That's unfair... It's not that I don't want him back, I'm stating facts. He doesn't yet have the clearance that he needs to be on the field. Also, at this point, I'd rather he not come back this season just for one game.

I would argue that it would hurt the team more to win with Manning than without him. They need to prove to themselves that they can win on their own and that they are not a 1-man team. With Manning coming back and winning the game for them it will prove that they are not good without him, which will further ruin their psyche.

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That's unfair... It's not that I don't want him back, I'm stating facts. He doesn't yet have the clearance that he needs to be on the field. Also, at this point, I'd rather he not come back this season just for one game.

I would argue that it would hurt the team more to win with Manning than without him. They need to prove to themselves that they can win on their own and that they are not a 1-man team. With Manning coming back and winning the game for them it will prove that they are not good without him, which will further ruin their psyche.

That's an arguement some have...Flash..

Others dont want a win so all the hated coaches can get disgraced and fired..

I think some of our guys need a win to prove they are quality players...

Not everybody was here in 2009

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Its interseting that even though the player says.....YES

..the fan says no you cant play...

Could it be that some want Caldwell fired so badly they dont want a Manning-based victory to get in the way of that?

Tell me, when has the player said yes - he can play?

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Colts say QB Peyton Manning has begun throwing the football as part of his rehab routine

By Associated Press, Published: December 14

INDIANAPOLIS — Peyton Manning has some are good news for the NFL’s only winless team: His ramped-up rehabilitation program includes more throwing.

Coach Jim Caldwell said Wednesday that Manning has picked up his regimen, though the four-time league MVP was not scheduled to practice with his teammates Wednesday. It’s still unclear when or if Manning will return to the practice field and what the repertoire includes, though he acknowledged two weeks ago that throwing more was the next step in his recovery.

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“That’s what he does,” Caldwell said when asked about throwing the ball. “They have been working with him in that area. That’s part of it, but it’s nothing revolutionary.”

Manning hasn’t played in any games this season because of a nerve injury that caused weakness in his throwing arm.

He had surgery in May, and when that didn’t alleviate the problem, Indy’s franchise quarterback had a more invasive surgery, a single-level fusion, on Sept. 8. It was Manning’s third neck surgery in 19 months.

On Dec. 1, Manning’s doctor issued a statement saying the fusion had healed firmly and Manning could increase the intensity of his workouts.

That was the best news the Colts (0-13) have had in this miserable season. On Dec. 2, Manning acknowledged that additional throwing would be the next step in his recovery. Team officials have kept Manning on the active roster, hoping he could return to practice before the Jan. 1 season finale at Jacksonville.

How much more can Manning now do?

“Once he’s fused, he’s stable to play,” said Dr. Anders Cohen, chief of neurosurgery and spine surgery at the Brooklyn Hospital Center who did not treat Manning. Asked how long it would take Manning to regain the strength in his throwing arm, Cohen said: “I would suspect it probably happened while the bone was knitting.”

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Colts say QB Peyton Manning has begun throwing the football as part of his rehab routine

By Associated Press, Published: December 14

How much more can Manning now do?

“Once he’s fused, he’s stable to play,” said Dr. Anders Cohen, chief of neurosurgery and spine surgery at the Brooklyn Hospital Center who did not treat Manning. Asked how long it would take Manning to regain the strength in his throwing arm, Cohen said: “I would suspect it probably happened while the bone was knitting.”

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We're beyond the point of whether Peyton Manning's injury in career ending. Its not.

We're beyond the point of whether he can throw the ball ever again

He can.

We cant go 0-16. We just cant. The difference between 0-16 and 1-15 is massive and folks only have to ask Danny Orlovsky about that.

Its a shame the franchise carries for decades. Its the reverse of going 19-0.

Manning will be ready. He will go to Caldwell and ask to play.

His teammates will walk into Caldwell's office like a scene out of the movie 'Rudy' and lay their jerseys on his desk saying Peyton should play...."Let him play in my place, coach!!"

(Orlovsky will be first in line)

Manning says: I'm healthy. I'm playing so we can win one. I owe it to my teammates.

Caldwell says" let me ask my boss.

You are Polian and Irsay.

What do you say.? :eyebrow:

You have NO idea whether Peyton's career is career-threatening.

The nerve has not regenerated. Just because the neck fused does not mean that the nerve will regenerate well enough where he can throw a ball at the NFL level while dealing with charging D-linesmen.

(And no, there's no reason for him whatsoever to play against the Jags. For what? Pride?)

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Its interseting that even though the player says.....YES

..the fan says no you cant play...

Could it be that some want Caldwell fired so badly they dont want a Manning-based victory to get in the way of that?

What good will it do to throw Manning out with a team he hasn't practiced with all season? He wont put up Manning-esque numbers and you risk not letting him heal completely. It's a DUMB, decison just to avoid a superficial 0-16 season just because you don't want it. I've said it one and I'll say it again. if the FO wont play the starters to go 16-0 then they surely don't care if they go 0-16.

Also the only way Manning plays if he is on the trading block to show him off to other teams.. Do you want that? Because if you don't then you better hope and pray he doesn't play this season.

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What good will it do to throw Manning out with a team he hasn't practiced with all season? He wont put up Manning-esque numbers and you risk not letting him heal completely. It's a DUMB, decison just to avoid a superficial 0-16 season just because you don't want it. I've said it one and I'll say it again. if the FO wont play the starters to go 16-0 then they surely don't care if they go 0-16.

Also the only way Manning plays if he is on the trading block to show him off to other teams.. Do you want that? Because if you don't then you better hope and pray he doesn't play this season.

Superficial?

The only way Manning plays is if he says he wants to.....

..and I think that could happen...dont you. ?

He's been cleared to practice

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Superficial?

The only way Manning plays is if he says he wants to.....

..and I think that could happen...dont you. ?

He's been cleared to practice

He has already said he wants to play. No one cares. The colts being an ultra conservative team on all fronts wont allow it. I guarentee it.

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Superficial?

The only way Manning plays is if he says he wants to.....

..and I think that could happen...dont you. ?

He's been cleared to practice

No he has not. Caldwell even said that just a few days ago. He was cleared to ramp up rehab and toss the ball around. He was not cleared to take snaps, do 5 to 7 yd drop backs and throw bulletts to recievers. You really need to learn the difference and stop making stuff up. Manning will not play this yr. and Irsay has said as much. Quit with these nonsensical repeated attemps at trying to get everybody else to live in your fantasyland. ITS NOT HAPPENING!!!

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You have NO idea whether Peyton's career is career-threatening.

The nerve has not regenerated. Just because the neck fused does not mean that the nerve will regenerate well enough where he can throw a ball at the NFL level while dealing with charging D-linesmen.

(And no, there's no reason for him whatsoever to play against the Jags. For what? Pride?)

for his teammates..for himself to know he still can before the end of the year..

..so we dont go 0-16

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That seems to be the motivation behind the vehement 'we dont want Manning to play ONE DOWN' crowd..

If he plays..we might win and Caldwell would stay

No its not, some fans here including me actually realize that Manning is not fully healed/ready to play. Some fans here do not want to see Manning having a possible career ending injury by coming out for a meaningless game.

Why risk sending your potential starter for next season into a meaningless game? That being said he isn't going to play just let it die. Let me repeat, Manning will not play a down this year.

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..so Dr. Adam Shefter says he's throwing the ball even though doctors dont know if he's healed?

He's 'ramping up his throwing' even though doctors dont know if he's healed.

Think about what you're saying here.

I don't believe he is "healed". I believe the healing process is progressing but there is a HUGE difference in being "healed" and healing...

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Working out and throwing the ball IS practicing to play/.

He's not going to block or tackle anybody

Signs suggest he'll give it a try......that's all I'm saying.

If we're 0-15....dont bet you life he wont go../He's preparing to play...clearly

No he is rehabbing from an injury. IF he was preparing to play he would be taking snaps, running the offense and such. He is not doing that.

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Working out and throwing the ball IS practicing to play/.

He's not going to block or tackle anybody

Signs suggest he'll give it a try......that's all I'm saying.

If we're 0-15....dont bet you life he wont go../He's preparing to play...clearly

I work out and throw the ball. In no way shape or form am I practicing. A few years ago (as was pointed out in this thread), Manning missed training camp. He admitted he didn't feel like himself for the first month of the season. What on God's green Earth makes you think that after having missed a FULL YEAR, he can come back 3 weeks after having only started throwing again and be a productive member of the on field team? It simply isn't going to happen. The rest of the team needs to go out there with some pride and effort and try to do for Peyton what he has, apparently, done for them for years. Win a game.

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Its interseting that even though the player says.....YES

..the fan says no you cant play...

Could it be that some want Caldwell fired so badly they dont want a Manning-based victory to get in the way of that?

1. I don't believe any player has said Peyton is ready to play.

2. Coaches/Mag't determine who plays and when, not players

3. I doubt there is a Colt fan anywhere who doesn't want to see Peyton playing, but not in a game that means nothing and when he is physically not ready.

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Its interseting that even though the player says.....YES

..the fan says no you cant play...

Could it be that some want Caldwell fired so badly they dont want a Manning-based victory to get in the way of that?

Considering we can only win games with him, I'd preter we not turn him into the human bobble head to save apparenlty fragile egos.

This has nothing to do with Caldwell or his job security

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and like what Schefter said, they wont know if the nervs in Manning's neck have come back or not till at the EARLIST the 1st of January. That means Manning can't practice with the team till then and sure as heck can't play in a game till then. Which means that say even if they do find out his nervs came back on the 1st they aren't going to send Manning out there the day they found that out and without any practices all season. Schefter also said it's more likely they wont come back till February or March. So no Manning is not playing this season. Everyone is telling you that and the reasons why and giving you reasons why beyond just because they don't think he's going to, you just don't want to hear it.

why is that date so important? I mean, why are they putting 1st as the earliest date? for what? nerve regenaration or muscle strength? both?

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I don't understand why the O.P. thinks he's ready to play.

-he was cleared to throw the football a couple of weeks ago, and just started

-the fusion was successful but the nerve is the real issue and its too early to tell if its healing

- He's not in game shape

-He hasn't been cleared by his doctors to even practice yet.

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