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And look at my avatar if you think i dont like peyton. I have the upmost respect and admiration for the man. Go back and read my posts concerning Manning if you have any doubt on where i stand. You obviously havent read a darn thing i wrote over the this season about manning.

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***Wrong. He has played with more injuries than Manning has over the years. Will it limit his years? Who knows. He hasnt hung his cleats up yet. Till either one does, its anyones GUESS.

Again completely pointless to Manning. Tell me Big Ben's injury that deals with regenerating a nerve in his throwning arm and his recovery from that.

You keep talking about how things are unsure with Luck. Tell me the certainty that anyone has that Manning returns to full health and performance.

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Again completely pointless to Manning. Tell me Big Ben's injury that deals with regenerating a nerve in his throwning arm and his recovery from that.

You keep talking about how things are unsure with Luck. Tell me the certainty that anyone has that Manning returns to full health and performance.

Let me try and simplify things down for you further..

As i stated, injuries happen. Rothlesberger has had alot, but know one knows how it will effect how long he will play in the NFL.. as we dont know how Mannings injury will effect how long he will play in the NFL. They have similarities. Regardless if you in particular see it or not.

I stated nothing to the effect of Mannings injury vs Lucks lack of NFL experience. I base it on Mannings NFL carrer minus his recent injuries VS Lucks NFL experience, which is none.

I would rather bet on Manning getting better and playing again, than on an unproven college QB that hasnt played a single snap in the NFL.

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Yes, trade Peyton to a team that is a QB short of winning a championship, e.g., San Fran. See if Andrew can duplicate Peyton's success with a talent-challenged team.

I thought I laid the sarcasm on thick enough that it would be obvious to all. Guess not, so I'll just say what I mean. DON'T trade Manning. DON'T draft Luck.

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I thought I laid the sarcasm on thick enough that it would be obvious to all. Guess not, so I'll just say what I mean. DON'T trade Manning. DON'T draft Luck.

Hard to write that chiz isn't it? I've tried also, but just can't lay in on thick enough, I guess.

OBTW, KY, my roots are in KY. Parents, grandparents, zillion aunts and uncles, cuzzins, etc. I'm guessing you are a Tamme fan. He looks better all the time, expecially for a a guy who's a 'tweener. (TE/WR)..Gonna be here a looong time as Snow's successor at long snapper. He's all I hear about from my 'kin....

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Hard to write that chiz isn't it? I've tried also, but just can't lay in on thick enough, I guess.

OBTW, KY, my roots are in KY. Parents, grandparents, zillion aunts and uncles, cuzzins, etc. I'm guessing you are a Tamme fan. He looks better all the time, expecially for a a guy who's a 'tweener. (TE/WR)..Gonna be here a looong time as Snow's successor at long snapper. He's all I hear about from my 'kin....

I am a big Tamme fan. Was ecstatic when he came to the Colts. I wish he could find a bigger niche in the passing game playing alongside Clark.

A lot of Hoosiers have Kentucky roots. I have two uncles and an aunt in Indiana as well.

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Let me try and simplify things down for you further..

As i stated, injuries happen. Rothlesberger has had alot, but know one knows how it will effect how long he will play in the NFL.. as we dont know how Mannings injury will effect how long he will play in the NFL. They have similarities. Regardless if you in particular see it or not.

I stated nothing to the effect of Mannings injury vs Lucks lack of NFL experience. I base it on Mannings NFL carrer minus his recent injuries VS Lucks NFL experience, which is none.

I would rather bet on Manning getting better and playing again, than on an unproven college QB that hasnt played a single snap in the NFL.

To your last line - fair enough. But you seem to have this sentiment that those in favor of drafting Luck and turning the keys off the team over to him are completely ridiculous in their thinking and they most assuredly are not. If you look around, there are some very savvy football people who think that is exactly what the team should do. And that Luck is as sure a thing as any player to come into the league since Elway. That is some freaking high praise.

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I have a suggestion.

Why don't we all calm down and stop reacting emotionally to this issue.

We don't know Manning's status. We don't know if he can come back, at what capacity. We don't know if he does come back for how long it will be. We don't know how Luck is going to do in the NFL, we don't know what offers may be on the table from what teams for the first pick. We don't technically know if we're going to get that first pick (I know, I know, but stranger things have happened in the NFL)

We do know that if Manning can't go, we have no real option at QB. We know that even with Manning, there are holes on this team that need to be addressed. We know that at some point very soon we will have to deal with the fact that Peyton Manning is not going to be our QB forever even if he does come back.

That points to drafting a QB this year. I don't really see any way around that. Now, that doesn't mean it has to be Luck, but the thought of going into next season with our current roster of QBs given the uncertainanty around Manning's neck is something that will keep me up at night (and it should keep YOU up at night too)

Get used to it. The media is gonna stir this chiz until April.

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To your last line - fair enough. But you seem to have this sentiment that those in favor of drafting Luck and turning the keys off the team over to him are completely ridiculous in their thinking and they most assuredly are not. If you look around, there are some very savvy football people who think that is exactly what the team should do. And that Luck is as sure a thing as any player to come into the league since Elway. That is some freaking high praise.

You will never get it. Holy crap. Again, for the last time, the statements in this thread are trade Manning get luck. I am against this. What i am for is keeping Manning, do not trade him AND draft luck! I have never once said i was against drafting him so dont put your words in my mouth. You once again have miss quoted me and others. And by the looks of it, will continue to do so because you refuse to thoroughly read post past and current. I am done trying to explain it. I think you do it to get a rise out of people.

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This really doesn't mean anything but just some fun facts about Ryan Leaf and Andrew Luck.

1.) Ryan Leaf was 6'5" 235 coming out of college. Andrew Luck is 6'4" 235

2.) Ryan Leaf played his college ball in the Pac-10. Luck plays in the Pac-12

3.) Leaf won the offensive player of the year in the Pac-10 in 1997. Luck won this year's offensive player of the year in the Pac-12.

4.) Leaf was predicted by many to be a better pro prospect than Manning back in the 1998 draft. Luck is predicted by many to come in a take Manning's job next season.

The Colts organization made the correct decision back in 98'. What will they do in 12'?

From what I saw from Luck over the very few games I have watched Stanford, he's a great QB, no doubt, but is he an NFL QB. There is a big difference, besides whenever a player plays in any conference other than the SEC it is difficult to determine how good they are. I live in the heart of the SEC and when I watch these other conferences play, they just look like an upper high school level compared to the South Eastern Conference.

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This really doesn't mean anything but just some fun facts about Ryan Leaf and Andrew Luck.

1.) Ryan Leaf was 6'5" 235 coming out of college. Andrew Luck is 6'4" 235

2.) Ryan Leaf played his college ball in the Pac-10. Luck plays in the Pac-12

3.) Leaf won the offensive player of the year in the Pac-10 in 1997. Luck won this year's offensive player of the year in the Pac-12.

4.) Leaf was predicted by many to be a better pro prospect than Manning back in the 1998 draft. Luck is predicted by many to come in a take Manning's job next season.

The Colts organization made the correct decision back in 98'. What will they do in 12'?

From what I saw from Luck over the very few games I have watched Stanford, he's a great QB, no doubt, but is he an NFL QB. There is a big difference, besides whenever a player plays in any conference other than the SEC it is difficult to determine how good they are. I live in the heart of the SEC and when I watch these other conferences play, they just look like an upper high school level compared to the South Eastern Conference.

I don't remember, but I don't think Leaf was in college that long, very short college career with some great numbers and a great arm and a .2 cent brain. Wonder what Leaf scored on teh Wonderlick

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Andrew Luck. Have you not noticed that he rocks a neckbeard?

I dont really look at Andrew much except when he has his helmet on...

You realize he's going to have to shave if he comes to Indianapolis.

This is republican-land . We dont want no long-haired hippie freaks here :nono:

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This really doesn't mean anything but just some fun facts about Ryan Leaf and Andrew Luck.

1.) Ryan Leaf was 6'5" 235 coming out of college. Andrew Luck is 6'4" 235

2.) Ryan Leaf played his college ball in the Pac-10. Luck plays in the Pac-12

3.) Leaf won the offensive player of the year in the Pac-10 in 1997. Luck won this year's offensive player of the year in the Pac-12.

4.) Leaf was predicted by many to be a better pro prospect than Manning back in the 1998 draft. Luck is predicted by many to come in a take Manning's job next season.

The Colts organization made the correct decision back in 98'. What will they do in 12'?

From what I saw from Luck over the very few games I have watched Stanford, he's a great QB, no doubt, but is he an NFL QB. There is a big difference, besides whenever a player plays in any conference other than the SEC it is difficult to determine how good they are. I live in the heart of the SEC and when I watch these other conferences play, they just look like an upper high school level compared to the South Eastern Conference.

Who in the SEC do you like at QB? And it doesn't have to be a senior. Our pick coud warrant trades for picks next year too.

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I have a suggestion.

Why don't we all calm down and stop reacting emotionally to this issue.

We don't know Manning's status. We don't know if he can come back, at what capacity. We don't know if he does come back for how long it will be. We don't know how Luck is going to do in the NFL, we don't know what offers may be on the table from what teams for the first pick. We don't technically know if we're going to get that first pick (I know, I know, but stranger things have happened in the NFL)

We do know that if Manning can't go, we have no real option at QB. We know that even with Manning, there are holes on this team that need to be addressed. We know that at some point very soon we will have to deal with the fact that Peyton Manning is not going to be our QB forever even if he does come back.

That points to drafting a QB this year. I don't really see any way around that. Now, that doesn't mean it has to be Luck, but the thought of going into next season with our current roster of QBs given the uncertainanty around Manning's neck is something that will keep me up at night (and it should keep YOU up at night too)

I agree with fundamentals of this statement. We need an insurance policy at QB. I believe that RG3 is the perfect candidate. The kid obviously has the talent and the numbers to justify it. If Andrew Luck was not an option we all know that Griffin would be the first QB taken. As a current student at Kansas State University I have had the pleasure of watching RG3 in person in two contests against my beloved wildcats and I can say that he is undoubtedly the real deal. He can do it all and he really is a pass the ball first QB who just happens to have track stud speed. He would be a great option for the Colts for multiple reasons. First and foremost he would be willing to wait for the starting job behind Manning and I'm sure would learn a great deal while doing so. I say this with supreme confidence because I know for a fact that Griffin has said he would prefer to earn his law degree instead of going into the draft. Now it would be prudent for Griffin to have it made clear to him that he could get paid a lot of money, not exactly Luck type money, to learn from Manning for the next few seasons while he continued working toward his law degree. Why not? Is it a crazy concept? Why can't an intelligent individual like Griffin be on an NFL roster while working towards his law degree? Law school or no school, either way I do believe that RG3 could be convinced to come play in the NFL. Most importantly I believe that he could be convinced to wait and learn from one of the best to ever play. I truly believe that the Colts will be able to trade the no. 1 pick to Washington for the no. 5 pick and some other incentives, and be able to land Griffin with said no. 5 pick. (this based off draft projections as of right now). This would also allow for Indy to save some money and still have a great insurance policy behind Manning. With this saved money the organization can look at working on some new contracts for some of our key veterans that are scheduled to become free agents. Obviously this scenario also allows for the franchise to keep the face of this franchise where he belongs. #18 should finish his career in Indianapolis, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
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I dont really look at Andrew much except when he has his helmet on...

You realize he's going to have to shave if he comes to Indianapolis.

This is republican-land . We dont want no long-haired hippie freaks here :nono:

Curtis Painter's a "long haired hippie freak" and you're right, we don't want him around.
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I don't remember, but I don't think Leaf was in college that long, very short college career with some great numbers and a great arm and a .2 cent brain. Wonder what Leaf scored on teh Wonderlick

Leaf scored a 27.. One point below Peyton's 28.

He started 2 years. Pac 10 championship.. Came out before his junior year. Main difference is Luck played more in his first year.

http://www.nflstatanalysis.net/2011/03/qb-wonderlic-scores.html

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Not sure who is local and who isn't. But one thing Polian said on one his weekly radio/TV spots when asked about Leaf vs Payton was that it was a "no brainer" after interviewing each player. He said that Leaf was aloof and had the "what are ya gonna do for me" attitude. Manning game in with a notebook and wanted to know how soon he could get a play book if they drafted him. In jest he told Polian if he didn't draft him, he would kick the Colst butt every year they played against him.

Now I have no way of knowing how much of this is absolutely true, but I did hear Polian report it this way when questioned about it a couple of years later.

Point is, it was not a tough decsion based on what the Colts FO knew vs what the pundits THOUGHT they knew.

I gotta hunch about this with Luck. I've only seen him play twice. He is impressive, but is he the second coming? I'll go with the Colts FO on this one. They are saying they have not even come close to deciding what they are gonna do. I've heard Polian and Irsay both say this. I don't think they lie, but they play a pretty mean game of poker face when it comes to the draft.

I'm just sayin'....

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The Colts can't trade Manning, they would have to release him. Colts would get nothing out of it except alot of cap room.

I don't want the Colts to release Manning and don't think it will happen anyway. I believe the Colts will either...

A-Draft Luck and keep Manning

B-Trade the 1st pick for multiple picks and still draft 1 of the top QBs like Barkley and keep Manning.

Both contingent that Manning is cleared to play and doesn't retire either.

Just because the media is talking ( out there...) doesn't mean the likely hood increases.

And if Manning is healthy, the Colts will draft a QB that could start week1, whether its Luck or not.

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Not sure who is local and who isn't. But one thing Polian said on one his weekly radio/TV spots when asked about Leaf vs Payton was that it was a "no brainer" after interviewing each player. He said that Leaf was aloof and had the "what are ya gonna do for me" attitude. Manning game in with a notebook and wanted to know how soon he could get a play book if they drafted him. In jest he told Polian if he didn't draft him, he would kick the Colst butt every year they played against him.

Now I have no way of knowing how much of this is absolutely true, but I did hear Polian report it this way when questioned about it a couple of years later.

Point is, it was not a tough decsion based on what the Colts FO knew vs what the pundits THOUGHT they knew.

I gotta hunch about this with Luck. I've only seen him play twice. He is impressive, but is he the second coming? I'll go with the Colts FO on this one. They are saying they have not even come close to deciding what they are gonna do. I've heard Polian and Irsay both say this. I don't think they lie, but they play a pretty mean game of poker face when it comes to the draft.

I'm just sayin'....

I've heard some of the same stories.. But I think he told Irsay the Kicking of his tail for the next 15 years. I think Leaf missed a meeting with Mora at the combine, while Manning more or less interviewed them. He was the same way when he was recruited at Tennessee, in a book, Archie said he fell asleep while Peyton grilled Cutcliffe and Fulmer. I've also read where in QB meetings Manning would answer for Helton, or the other QB's and they would have to tell Manning to shut the blanks up and that Cutcliffe had to be more prepared for those meetings because Peyton would come in with a legal pad full of questions.

Luck is benefited by the WCO. If we draft him, I hope we make that change to the WCO whether he sits for 2-3 years behind Manning or not.

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The Colts can't trade Manning, they would have to release him. Colts would get nothing out of it except alot of cap room.

I don't want the Colts to release Manning and don't think it will happen anyway. I believe the Colts will either...

A-Draft Luck and keep Manning

B-Trade the 1st pick for multiple picks and still draft 1 of the top QBs like Barkley and keep Manning.

Both contingent that Manning is cleared to play and doesn't retire either.

Just because the media is talking ( out there...) doesn't mean the likely hood increases.

And if Manning is healthy, the Colts will draft a QB that could start week1, whether its Luck or not.

He will still end up counting more towards the cap than the amount of cap savings we get for 2012.

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I've heard some of the same stories.. But I think he told Irsay the Kicking of his tail for the next 15 years. I think Leaf missed a meeting with Mora at the combine, while Manning more or less interviewed them. He was the same way when he was recruited at Tennessee, in a book, Archie said he fell asleep while Peyton grilled Cutcliffe and Fulmer. I've also read where in QB meetings Manning would answer for Helton, or the other QB's and they would have to tell Manning to shut the blanks up and that Cutcliffe had to be more prepared for those meetings because Peyton would come in with a legal pad full of questions.

Luck is benefited by the WCO. If we draft him, I hope we make that change to the WCO whether he sits for 2-3 years behind Manning or not.

Can't come up with "WCO" expression. What it is?

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He will still end up counting more towards the cap than the amount of cap savings we get for 2012.

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. Just reaffirms my opinion. Don't drop Manning!

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Just to make sure I understand you. If the Colts cut Manning, is there a cap penalty?

Yes...

It is complicated

We will see an acceleration of the signing bonus(that he received prior to training camp), 20 million- the 4 million used this year which would amount to 16 million of dead space which will be helped out due to us carrying 5.6 million of the (option bonus yet to be paid), We've allotted a portion of that this year, so we will get a 5.6 credit towards the 16 million which in the end would result in a 10.4 dead cap space hit for 2012 if he is released.

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Was having an Interesting conversation with a friend of mine... Basically was laid out like this... If Manning was released (cause of cap and Manning not wanting to cripple his "next" team trade is out of question), and he goes to an AFC team example Jets. Two or three years from now (it would take this long to happen cause Colts only addressing the QB position in this years draft will kill us due to so many holes that needed addressed wasn't) if manning new team faces Colts in playoffs... Which team you rooting for? Now this is "assuming" Luck isn't a complete flop, and can some how find a way to get this Swiss cheese team to a playoff before Manning does decide to retire

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gotta laugh at all those people who try to make Luck out to be the next Ryan Leaf.

He's got as much a chance of being the next Leaf as he does of being the next Manning.

Some people here need to realize that there will come a day...be it in 3 months, 3 years or sometime that Manning WILL NOT BE THE QB OF THE COTLS ANYMORE!!!!!! I think a few of you are going to jump off a bridge the 1st time you realize that Manning isn't ever going to play for the Colts anymore.

Everyone moves on and it's the job of the organization to plan for their replacement so the team doesnt falter to bad when it happens. The 2012 draft may not be the time to take Manning's replacement, we dont know for sure yet, but that time is coming very soon.

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Why do people think Peyton needs more championships to cement his legacy? How many SB titles does Dan Marino or Brett Farve have? Elway only has 2, Joe Namath only has 1.

Also there is no guarentee should Peyton go to another team that they would make it to a SB let alone win.

The reason is that Tom Brady is Peyton's contemporary. He has three rings, 4 AFC Titles, the all-time TD single-season record, and an undefeated regular season under his belt. If you stack that up against what Peyton has achieved with the Colts, who do you think comes out ahead? I think some Colts fans are obsessed with Peyton being perceived as being the greatest ever to play the game. But Brady makes it highly debatable whether Peyton is even the best of his era. Thus, some Colts fans feel an added urgency for Peyton to make one last flurry to cement this claim as time ticks away. It doesn't really matter to me personally if Peyton is the G.O.A.T., but some here seem obsessed by it.

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You will never get it. Holy crap. Again, for the last time, the statements in this thread are trade Manning get luck. I am against this. What i am for is keeping Manning, do not trade him AND draft luck! I have never once said i was against drafting him so dont put your words in my mouth. You once again have miss quoted me and others. And by the looks of it, will continue to do so because you refuse to thoroughly read post past and current. I am done trying to explain it. I think you do it to get a rise out of people.

I get it completely. It is not hard to understand. My entire and simple premise is that there is rational thought behind the idea of trading Manning.

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I wouldn't be as upset as I thought if we trade him, but I also don't think we get the bounty we need for him. I mean if we trade him that throws up a MAJOR red flag to any team that he is potentially not as good as he use to be.

Uhh, not really. First of all Manning would have to pass a physical to whichever team traded for him so if they decided he was not healthy enough, trade gets rescinded.

But even before that, what it really says is they have decided to go Luck's direction and that does not necessarily speak to Manning's health but more so to the team's desire to start their future now.

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Uhh, not really. First of all Manning would have to pass a physical to whichever team traded for him so if they decided he was not healthy enough, trade gets rescinded.

But even before that, what it really says is they have decided to go Luck's direction and that does not necessarily speak to Manning's health but more so to the team's desire to start their future now.

A physical has nothing to do with arm strength and accuracy. Which are the two big ??? on him right now.

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Leaf scored a 27.. One point below Peyton's 28.

He started 2 years. Pac 10 championship.. Came out before his junior year. Main difference is Luck played more in his first year.

http://www.nflstatan...lic-scores.html

According to http://espn.go.com/nfl/feature/video/_/id/7303334/ultimate-scouting-report, under the "Measureables," Peyton and Eli both tied for the NFL high of 39 on the Wonderlic. This is coming from ESPN, so chances are it's legit.

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Miss               WRS       5'9"        184 57.   Ben Cleveland           Georgia OG         6'6"        335 58.   Jevon Holland            Oregon S              6'1"        196 59.   Landon Dickerson    Alabama              OC          6'6''        325 60.   Jaylen Twyman         Pitt         DL5T      6'2"        290 61.   Shakur Brown            Michigan State  CB           5'11"      190 62.   Alim McNeill               North Carolina State       DL3T      6'2"        320 63.   Hamsah Nasirildeen Florida State       S              6'4"        215 64.   Jaelan Phillips             Miami (FL)           EDGE     6'5"        255 65.   Shaun Wade               Ohio State           CB           6'1"        194 66.   Kenneth Gainwell    Memphis             RB           5'11"      191 67.   Patrick Jones II          Pitt         EDGE     6'5"        260 68.   Amon-Ra St. Brown USC        WR         6'1"        195 69.   Cameron McGrone Michigan              OLB        6'1''        232 70.   Darius Stills West Virginia      DL5T      6'1"        285 71.   Jackson Carman        Clemson              OT          6'5"        335 72.   Joe Tryon     Washington        EDGE     6'5"        262 73.   Ifeatu Melifonwu     Syracuse              CB           6'3"        212 74.   Talanoa Hufanga      USC        S              6'1"        215 75.   Chazz Surratt              North Carolina   OLB        6'3"        230 76.   Josh Myers Ohio State           OC          6'5''        312 77.   Liam Eichenberg       Notre Dame       OT          6'6"        302 78.   Trey Sermon              Ohio State           RB           6'0"        224 79.   Javonte Williams       North Carolina   RB           5'10"      220 80.   Marlon Williams        UCF        WR         6'0"        215 81.   Michael Carter          North Carolina   RBC        5'9"        195 82.   Paris Ford    Pittsburgh           S              6'0"        190 83.   Levi Onwuzurike      Washington        DL3T      6'3"        293 84.   Dillon Radunz            North Dakota State         OT          6'6''        299 85.   Brevin Jordan            Miami (FL)           TE           6'3"        245 86.   Deonte Brown           Alabama              OG         6'4''        350 87.   Walker Little               Stanford              OT          6'7"        313 88.   Hamilcar Rashed      Oregon State     EDGE     6'3''        248 89.   Chuba Hubbard         Oklahoma State RB           6'1"        207 90.   D'Wayne Eskridge    W Michigan        WRS       5'9"        188 91.   Quincy Roche            Miami (FL)           EDGE     6'4"        235 92.   Anthony Schwartz   Auburn WR         6'0"        197 93.   Jamie Newman         Georgia QB          6'4"        230 94.   Jaelon Darden           North Texas        WRS       5'9"        174 95.   Dyami Brown             North Carolina   WR         6'1"        185 96.   Teven Jenkins            Oklahoma State OT          6'6''        320 97.   Seth Williams             Auburn WR         6'2"        224 98.   Tutu Atwell Louisville              WRS       5'9"        156 99.   Baron Browning        Ohio State           ILB          6'3"        248 100.           Ronnie Perkins  Oklahoma           OLB        6'4'         230 101.           Dazz Newsome North Carolina   WR         5'11"      175 102.           Paulson Adebo  Stanford              CB           6'1"        190 103.           Richard LeCounte III        Georgia S              5'11"      190 104.           Damonte Coxie Memphis             WR         6'3''        197 105.           Aaron Robinson UCF        CB           5'11''      193 106.           Jaret Patterson Buffalo RB           5'9"        195 107.           Drake Jackson    Kentucky             OC          6'2''        292 108.           Sage Surratt        Wake Forest       WR         6'2"        215 109.           Dayo Odeyingbo              Vanderbilt           DL5T      6'5''        279 110.           Israel Mukuamu               South Carolina   CB           6'3"        205 111.           Hunter Long       Boston College  TE           6'5"        253 112.           Kenny Yeboah   Ole Miss               TE           6'4''        240 113.           Marlon Tuipulotu             USC        DL3T      6'1"        308 114.           Divine Deablo    Virginia Tech      S              6'3''        226 115.           Khalil Herbert    Virginia Tech      RBC        5'9"        205 116.           Rashad Weaver Pitt         EDGE     6'5"        270 117.           Eric Stokes          Georgia CB           6'1"        185 118.           Ar'Darius Washington    TCU        S              5'8"        175 119.           Aaron Banks       Notre Dame       OG         6'5"        330 120.           Pete Werner      Ohio State           ILB          6'3''        239 121.           Chris Rumph II   Duke     EDGE     6'3"        225 122.           Tony Poljan        Virginia TE           6'7"        265 123.           Trey Hill                Georgia OC          6'4"        330 124.           Cary Angeline    North Carolina State       TE           6'7"        250 125.           Ihmir Smith-Marsette    Iowa      WR         6'2"        175 126.           Kylin Hill               Mississippi State               RB           5'11"      215 127.           Charles Snowden             Virginia OLB        6'6"        232 128.           Caden Sterns     Texas    S              6'0"        210 129.           Rodarius Williams             Oklahoma State CB           6'0"        193 130.           Quinn Meinerz  UW-Whitewater              OC          6'3"        320 131.           Keith Taylor        Washington        CB           6'3"        191 132.           Elijah Mitchell    Louisiana             RB           5'11"      221 133.           Tedarrell Slaton Florida  DL1T      6'5"        358 134.           Pooka Williams  Kansas  RBC        5'10"      170 135.           Olaijah Griffin    USC        CB           6'0''        170 136.           Torrance Marable            Coastal Carolina                RBC        5'10"      200 137.           Damon Hazelton              Missouri               WR         6'2"        215 138.           Tariq Thompson               San Diego State S              6'0"        200 139.           Ta'Quon Graham              Texas    DL3T      6'4"        294 140.           K.J. Britt                Auburn ILB          6'0"        236 141.           Monty Rice         Georgia OLB        6'1"        235 142.           Kylen Granson   SMU      TE           6'2''        235 143.           Kellen Mond      Texas A&M         QB          6'3"        217 144.           Paddy Fisher      Northwestern   ILB          6'4"        246 145.           Amari Rodgers  Clemson              WR         5'9"        210 146.           Jamien Sherwood            Auburn S              6'2''        220 147.           Max Duffy           Kentucky             P             6'1"        185 148.           Spencer K. Brown             Northern Iowa  OT          6'9''        321 149.           Nico Collins         Michigan              WR         6'4"        222 150.           Tommy Togiai    Ohio State           DL3T      6'2"        300 151.           JaCoby Stevens LSU        S              6'1''        228 152.           Jordan Smith      UAB       EDGE     6'7"        255 153.           Tyler Vaughns   USC        WR         6'2"        190 154.           Jack Anderson   Texas Tech          OG         6'5"        315 155.           Bobby Brown III Texas A&M         DL1T      6'3"        325 156.           Darren Hall          San Diego State CB           6'0"        190 157.           Donovan Stiner Florida  S              6'1"        203 158.           Wyatt Hubert    Kansas State       EDGE     6'3"        270 159.           Thomas Graham Jr.         Oregon CB           5'10"      193 160.           Shemar Jean-Charles      Appalachian State            CB           5'11"      190 161.           Malik Herring     Georgia DL5T      6'3"        283 162.           Daelin Hayes      Notre Dame       EDGE     6'4"        268 163.           Tommy Kraemer              Notre Dame       OG         6'6"        317 164.           Marco Wilson    Florida  CB           6'0"        190 165.           Trill Williams       Syracuse              CB           6'2'         198 166.           Shaka Toney       Penn State          EDGE     6'3"        243 167.           Jimmy Morrissey              Pitt         OC          6'3"        305 168.           Sam Ehlinger      Texas    QB          6'3"        225 169.           Sadarius Hutcherson      South Carolina   OG         6'4"        320 170.           D.J. Daniel           Georgia CB           6'0''        183 171.           Camryn Bynum Cal          CB           6'0''        198 172.           Jermar Jefferson              Oregon State     RBC        5'9"        215 173.           Jose Borregales Miami (FL)           PK           5'10"      205 174.           Alaric Jackson    Iowa      OT          6'6"        315 175.           Brennan Eagles Texas    WR         6'2"        225 176.           Tommy Doyle    Miami (OH)         OT          6'8''        326 177.           Jonathan Marshall           Arkansas              DL1T      6'3"        317 178.           Shane Buechele SMU      QB          6'1"        207 179.           Joshua Kaindoh Florida State       EDGE     6'7"        261 180.           James Hudson   Cincinnati            OT          6'5"        310 181.           Benjamin St-Juste            Minnesota          CB           6'3"        200 182.           Demetric Felton                UCLA     RBC        5'9"        189 183.           Victor Dimukeje Duke     EDGE     6'2"        265 184.           Xavier Kelly         Arkansas              DL3T      6'4"        305 185.           Kary Vincent Jr. LSU        CB           5'10"      182 186.           Noah Gray           Duke     TE           6'4"        240 187.           Adrian Ealy          Oklahoma           OT          6'6"        327 188.           Michal Menet   Penn State          OC          6'4''        305 189.           Pressley Harvin III            Georgia Tech      P             6'0"        255 190.           Amen Ogbongbemiga    Oklahoma State OLB        6'1"        231 191.           T.J. Vasher          Texas Tech          WR         6'6"        210 192.           Josh Imatorbhebhe         Illinois   WR         6'2"        215 193.           Matt Bushman  BYU        TE           6'5"        245 194.           Stevie Scott        Indiana RB           6'2"        231 195.           Brady Christensen           BYU        OT          6'6''        300 196.           Quintin Morris   Bowling Green  TE           6'4"        248 197.           Riley Patterson Memphis             PK           6'0"        190 198.           Malcolm Koonce              Buffalo EDGE     6'3"        250 199.           Robert Rochell   Central Arkansas              CB           6'0''        195 200.           Ben Mason         Michigan              FB           6'3"        254
    • Bender honey we love you SHUT UP BABY I KNOW IT
    • Trade 1: Miami offer picks No.3, No.18, No.50 and Tua Tagavailova to Texans for DeShaun Watson   Trade 2: WFT offers pick No.19 to NYJ for pick No.34 and Sam Darnold   Trade 3: Carolina offers pick No.8 and pick No.104 to Houston for Tua, pick No.18,  and pick No.113   Trade 4: Indianapolis Colts offer pick No.21 (1st) and pick No.118 (4th) to Las Vegas Raiders for Derek Carr   Trade 5: Tennessee Titans offer Pick No.22, Pick No.53 and Pick No.86 to Denver Broncos for Pick No.9   Trade 6: Las Vegas Raiders offer Pick No.21 and Pick No.145 for Carson Wentz and Pick No.37   Trade 7: Carolina Panthers offer Pick No.113 to Eagles for Zach Ertz   Trade 8: New England Patriots trade Patrick Surtain and a 4th rounder to the Los Angeles Chargers for Jaylen Waddle   Trade 9: Los Angeles Chargers trade Patrick Surtain to Carolina Panthers for pick No.18 and No.73   Trade 10: Cleveland Browns trade Jarvis Landry and Pick No.123 to Chicago Bears for their 3rd round pick No.84   Trade 11: Pittsburgh Steelers trade Pick No.55 (2nd), Pick No.88 (3rd) and Pick No.192 (6th) to Bucs for pick No.32   Trade 12: Houston Texans trade pick No.50, No.100 and No.104 to New Orleans Saints for Marshon Lattimore   Round 1   1.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson 2.  NY Jets (2-14) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State 3.  Houston from Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU 4.  Atlanta (4-12) - Penei Sowell, OT, Oregon 5.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - JaMarr Chase, WR, LSU 6.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State 7.  Detroit (5-11) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State 8.  Houston from Carolina (5-11) - DaVonta Smith, WR, Alabama 9.  Titans from Denver (5-11) - Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan 10.  Dallas (6-10) - Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern 11.  NY Giants (6-10) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida 12.  San Francisco (6-10) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech 13.  New England from LA Chargers (7-9) - Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama 14.  Minnesota (7-9) - Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami 15.  Carolina from LA Chargers from New England (7-9) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama 16.  Arizona (8-8) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina 17.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Jaelen Philips, EDGE, Miami 18.  Chargers from Carolina from Houston from Miami (10-6) - Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue 19.  NY Jets From WFT* (7-9) - Najee Harris RB Alabama 20.  Chicago* (8-8) - Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 21.  Philadelphia from Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota 22.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech 23.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Zaven Collins, OLB/DE, Tulsa 24.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Jalen Mayfield, OT, Michigan 25.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trevon Moehring, S, TCU 26.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame 27.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida 28.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh 29.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Terrance Marshall, WR, LSU 30.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State 31.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Wyatt Davis, OG/C, Ohio State 32.  Pittsburgh from Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama   Houston -> Miami: For Laremy Tunsil Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Carolina -> Houston: For Tua LA Rams -> Jacksonville: For Jalen Ramsey Seattle -> NY Jets: For Jamal Adams WFT -> NY Jets For Sam Darnold Indianapolis -> Las Vegas For Derek Carr Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Las Vegas -> Philadelphia for Carson Wentz New England -> Chargers for Jaylen Waddle Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 2   33.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Sam Cosmi, OT, Texas 34.  WFT From NY Jets (2-14) - Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama 35.  Atlanta (4-12) - Creed Humphrey, OG, Oklahoma 36.  Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson 37.  Las Vegas From Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State 38.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Christian Barmore, DL, Alabama 39.  Carolina (5-11) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame 40.  Denver (5-11) - Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State 41.  Detroit (5-11) - Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss 42.  NY Giants (6-10) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State 43.  San Francisco (6-10) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon 44.  Dallas (6-10) - Jay Tufele, DT, USC 45.  Jacksonville - from Minnesota (7-9) - Jackson Carmon, OT, Clemson 46.  New England (7-9) - Joseph Ossai, EDGE/OLB, Texas 47.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State 48.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri 49.  Arizona (8-8) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford 50.  New Orleans From Houston from Miami (10-6) - Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama 51.  WFT* (7-9) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State 52.  Chicago* (8-8) - Kyle Trask, QB, Florida 53.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Jabril Cox, LB, LSU 54.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington 55.  Tampa Bay  from Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest 56.  Seattle* (12-4) - Brady Christiansen, OT, BYU 57.  LA Rams* (10-6) - Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama 58.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia 59.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Richie Grant, Safety, UCF 60.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern 61.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Ronnie Perkins, EDGE, Oklahoma 62.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa 63.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Josh Myers, C, Ohio State 64.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia   Houston -> Miami: Laremy Tunsil Minnesota -> Jacksonville: Yannick Ngakoue NY Jets -> WFT in Sam Darnold trade Philadelphia -> Las Vegas in Carson Wentz trade Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Houston -> New Orleans For Marshon Lattimore Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 3   65.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Tyler Shelvin, DL, LSU 66.  NY Jets (2-14) - Marquez Stevenson, WR, Houston 67.  Houston (4-12) - Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State 68.  Atlanta (4-12) - Marvin Wilson, DL, FSU 69.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati 70.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse 71.  Denver (5-11) - Elijah Molden, CB, Washington 72.  Detroit (5-11) - Alim McNeil, DL, NC State 73.  Los Angeles Chargers From Carolina (5-11) - Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State 74.  WFT - from San Francisco (6-10) - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC 75.  Dallas (6-10) - Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida 76.  NY Giants (6-10) - Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford 77.  New England (7-9) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia 78.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Rashad Weaver, DE, Pittsburgh 79.  Minnesota (7-9) - Osa Odighizuwa, DT, UCLA 80.  Arizona (8-8) - Payton Turner, DE, Houston 81.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Hamsah Nasirldeen, S, FSU 82.  Miami (10-6) - Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State 83.  WFT* (7-9) - Deonte Brown, OG, Alabama 84.  Cleveland From Chicago* (8-8) - Joe Tryon, DE, Washington 85.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Jordan Smith, DE, UAB 86.  Denver From Tennessee* (11-5) - Ar'Darius Washington, S, TCU 87.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse 88.  Tampa Bay From Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Camerone McGrone, LB, Michigan 89.  Detroit - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trey Smith, OG, Tennessee 90.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State 91.  Minnesota - from Baltimore* (11-5) - Ben Cleveland, OG, Georgia 92.  Cleveland - from New Orleans* (12-4) - D’Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Michigan 93.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Chazz Surratt, OLB, North Carolina 94.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia 95.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas 96.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Israel Mukumanu, CB, South Carolina   Baltimore -> Minnesota: Yannick Ngakoue LA Rams -> Detroit: Matthew Stafford New England stripped of draft pick because of Spygate II New Orleans -> Cleveland: 2020 picks San Francisco -> Washington: Trent Williams Seattle -> NY Jets: Jamal Adams Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Chicago -> Cleveland in Jarvis Landry trade Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 4 97.   Jacksonville (1-15) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) - Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn 105.  Denver (5-11) - Quinn Meinerz, OG/OC , Wisconsin - Whitewater 106.  Dallas (6-10) - Jaylen Twyman DT, Pitt 107.  NY Giants (6-10) - Marlon Williams, WR, UCF 108.  San Francisco (6-10) - Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State 110.  Minnesota (7-9) 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) 114.  Miami (10-6) 115.  WFT* (7-9) 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) 120.  Seattle* (12-4) 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5)     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
    • IF MN doesn't pick till tomorrow.....   With 111, the Chargers will select   iOL/C Quinn Meinerz   or OG Kendrick Green, if Meinerez is gone.    
    • With the 109th pick,    Chargers select LB Justin Hilliard from OSU.   Surprised he wasn't up higher on the big board. PFF has him as a late 2nd.     Minnesota Vikings and @coltsfanmurf are on the clock.
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