It Was 31-3

[dn4192]

Yes it is when the other teams play D like we do 12 yards off the ball, no pass rush, players playing out of position and basicly using the entire second half as a scrimmage game as the Pats did. I thought you said you watched the game.

That's the Pats defense, they didn't got to scrum mode, that is their defense and why many think they will struggle come the playoffs because the might BB has not drafted well defensive players. I watched the game I just don't see things from an anti Colt slant.

[dn4192]

They played WRs and LBs on our WR. They played a guy at Safety to 'see what he could do'.

When another team simply puts someone on the field to 'see what he can do', just out of curiosity, on the NFL level, well thats called garbage time.

That was a coaching decision, and they chose to play that. Why didn't the Pats pu 40+ points on teh Colts?

[LUVTHESHOE]

What proof do you have that they "shut" it down? If they "shut it down" they why was ole Tom still out there taking snaps till the end of the game? He came out with what like less then 4 minutes to go in the game, if they were shutting it down why not get your backup some experience? Fact is the Colts played a pretty decent game and all the "Caldwell" haters can't handle that and are doing their best to make up excuses as to explain away just a 7 point loss on the road to NE.

OKAY,You are right. I have only seen it explained about 10 differt ways, even Tuba Guy is ticked.

[dn4192]

OKAY,You are right. I have only seen it explained about 10 differt ways, even Tuba Guy is ticked.

Again I believe many colt fans have gotten so upset with Caldwell, Polian and even Irsay that they refuse to accept what is actually happening, and yesterday was not a bad game at all.

[-JJ-]

That's the Pats defense, they didn't got to scrum mode, that is their defense and why many think they will struggle come the playoffs because the might BB has not drafted well defensive players. I watched the game I just don't see things from an anti Colt slant.

Care to name the drafting of defense player busts vs non-busts in the 1st and 2nd rounds where it matters. You can't

The busts have been on the offense.

Clearly you watch the game differently than the other colts fans here. They're all wrong and you're right.

[shaunzo]

We played probably one of the top 3 offenses today in their home stadium and gave up just 31 points, I can live with that....

Really? You're gonna be "living" with a lot of losses then. 31 points is a lot, this isn't basketball bro.

[dn4192]

Really? You're gonna be "living" with a lot of losses then. 31 points is a lot, this isn't basketball bro.

This is an offensive minded league, unless you put the majority of your cap space into defense then you are going to see high scoring games. Look at the Giants/pack game yesterday. When you play high powerful offenses, coming away only giving up 31 on the oppositions field is not all that bad.

[ViriLudant]

That's the Pats defense, they didn't got to scrum mode, that is their defense and why many think they will struggle come the playoffs because the might BB has not drafted well defensive players. I watched the game I just don't see things from an anti Colt slant.

This is absurdly false.

The Patriots went into experiment mode. Slater at safety. A practice-squad level LB getting more than 50% of the defensive reps. LBs covering WRs.

[dn4192]

This is absurdly false.

The Patriots went into experiment mode. Slater at safety. A practice-squad level LB getting more than 50% of the defensive reps. LBs covering WRs.

Then call it bad coaching decisions then because this is not preseason and the bad coaching decisions almost cost them the game. What if the Colts get the OSK and score and win the game...then who is the fool?

[ViriLudant]

Our D gave up just 31 points to one of the top offensives in football in their stadium. I will be the first to say our defense could improve, but given everything, I have no real issues with how they or the entire team played yesterday. We showed that with a viable NFL QB we can move the ball and score. We made Bill and his boys sweat a bit and the game was fun to watch.

Most Patriot fans I've talked to and read online have all said that yesterday's game felt like the 2nd or 3rd preseason game. A little bit of drama in the 1st quarter with the low scoring, then a blowout, and then just waiting for it to end.

I don't know of any Patriot fan that felt nervous at the end of the game. Annoyed that the defense and offense did not play up to par in the 4th quarter, but worried? Concerned? Not at all.

[ViriLudant]

Then call it bad coaching decisions then because this is not preseason and the bad coaching decisions almost cost them the game. What if the Colts get the OSK and score and win the game...then who is the fool?

Scoring during garbage time does not = almost costing the team a game.

Please.

They were experimenting with different players. Sorry if you couldn't determine that, but for those of us who follow the Patriots, it was as clear as day.

[IndyTrav]

What if the Colts get the OSK and score and win the game...then who is the fool?

I love your consistent 'what ifs'.

The Pats played 3rd rate players, out of position, and still beat us to a pulp. You can talk all you want about 'how it wasnt that bad' 'they only scored 31' blah blah blah.

This team sucks, the coaching sucks, the season sucks, and your opinions suck as well.

[DP21]

For everyone confused about garbage time... It's the point in the game when the game is over... The winning team is usually running the ball.. Wasting time bla bla bla... At that time, the losing team usually puts up some points... Not the winning team cares... Cuz its over...We played a Good quarter... Not a good game... I'll say we played a good game when the score board says colts>opponent... This season is just garbage... Let's just pray that the FO has some sort of plan.... I'm not sure if they do and I'm terrified...

[DP21]

Not that* the winning team cares

[doogansquest]

The Patriots defense has been terrible all year. Coupled with a mountain of injuries and failed experiments (ie: Haynesworth), I wasn't too surprised to see them try out some new players.

Anyone remember how upset he got with his team in 2007? Up 52-0 against the Redskins, they gave up a late touchdown and he flipped. BB doesn't like to give up touchdowns, no matter how late in the game, how big the lead, or whoever is playing. If it were truly "garbage time," Brady wouldn't have been out there. That's the end of the discussion, and all who disagree need to change their diapers.

It doesn't matter if their fans were worried or not, because that isn't an indicator of anything. The fact is, we got within one score. An onside kick recovery means we have a shot to tie or even win. If the coaches decide to play pretend players in response to our mini comeback, then that is bad coaching, and the worst team in football almost stole one. I don't agree with dn about much, but he is actually correct in that regard.

If football the you so upset as to wish harm on players and coaches, (meaning you want them unemployed, etc.), you constantly scream on these boards, and go so far as to call people names, you need to watch fishing instead. Don't give me the internet...blah....opinions....expression...blah. You seriously need to take time off.

[IndyTrav]

Hey doog, I ALMOST won the lottery last week. Would you like some of my ALMOST winnings? How about I ALMOST mail it to you? Nah, never mind, I think Im going to spend ALMOST all of that on something really good. Maybe I can ALMOST buy a football team with it? Maybe once I buy that team I can ALMOST give out participation trophies. Because hey, they ALMOST deserve it.

My favorite games in the world are ALMOST and thisclose. Both of which the Colts have in spades.

Indiana, home of the World Champion ALMOSTS and THISCLOSES.

[dn4192]

Scoring during garbage time does not = almost costing the team a game.

Please.

They were experimenting with different players. Sorry if you couldn't determine that, but for those of us who follow the Patriots, it was as clear as day.

Well if the game was over why was Tom Brady in there till basically the end?

[dn4192]

I love your consistent 'what ifs'.

The Pats played 3rd rate players, out of position, and still beat us to a pulp. You can talk all you want about 'how it wasnt that bad' 'they only scored 31' blah blah blah.

This team sucks, the coaching sucks, the season sucks, and your opinions suck as well.

It is sad your hate for Caldwell/Polian and maybe Irsay has blinded you....

[Blue Horseshoe]

It is sad your hate for Caldwell/Polian and maybe Irsay has blinded you....

It is equally sad they your unbridled devotion has similarly affected your vision.

[IndyTrav]

It is sad your hate for Caldwell/Polian and maybe Irsay has blinded you....

Yes. Thats it. My pure hate for both Polian/Caldwell makes it to where I want my team to lose.

Yep. You drilled it chief. Such a brilliant mind DN.

This coming from a guy whos responses include: "They only put up 31, thats not THAT much" ...or the classic "We didn't get blown out, Brady played the WHOLE game"...

[dn4192]

It is equally sad they your unbridled devotion has similarly affected your vision.

No devotion here, I know there are problems with this team but it's not the end of the world, the franchise is not in danger of exploding and going 0-16 is not the end of the world. The team came out and played a pretty good game in a game EVERYONE including Vegas and NBC thought would be a stinker and it wasn't. We saw the best QB play out of the Colts this season and a team that moved the ball and put up 24 points against the Pats on their field. Meanwhile we only gave up 31 points to the highpowered Pats who played all their starters and even their QB for 98% of the game. Sorry but I refuse to run around like the world is coming to an end...

[dn4192]

Yes. Thats it. My pure hate for both Polian/Caldwell makes it to where I want my team to lose.

Yep. You drilled it chief. Such a brilliant mind DN.

This coming from a guy whos responses include: "They only put up 31, thats not THAT much" ...or the classic "We didn't get blown out, Brady played the WHOLE game"...

Okay answer me this question...If the Colts go 0-16 and you knew it would mean that Irsay would fire Caldwell but if they win just 1 game and play strong in the remaining 4 he keeps his job...Would you root for them to go 0-16?

[IndyTrav]

Okay answer me this question...If the Colts go 0-16 and you knew it would mean that Irsay would fire Caldwell but if they win just 1 game and play strong in the remaining 4 he keeps his job...Would you root for them to go 0-16?

I never WANT my team to lose. Even if it means someone I don't like gets fired. Can it be an added bonus? Yes. But never will I ever say, "Colts should lose so they can (insert something here)..."

Now, answer me this. Why can you not accept that this team isn't any good, the coaching stinks, and the FO has failed? Because in 2002 we were good?

[dn4192]

I never WANT my team to lose. Even if it means someone I don't like gets fired. Can it be an added bonus? Yes. But never will I ever say, "Colts should lose so they can (insert something here)..."

Now, answer me this. Why can you not accept that this team isn't any good, the coaching stinks, and the FO has failed? Because in 2002 we were good?

Simple, history is on my side. What did the Colts do in 2010? how about 2009 or 2008, lets go back to 2007 and 2006? There is zero pattern of bad play, or being a bad franchise. What we have is a franchise like it or not built around 1 player. Your defense is set to play to a certain style, that without that 1 player they are not playing to. Look at GB or the Pats, their defense isn't great, it's built to play to the strength of their QB. Are the Colts having a bad season...sure, but it's just one season. I will become concerned when I see a pattern of losing, no playoffs and such before I lable this franchise as bad.

[LUVTHESHOE]

Simple, history is on my side. What did the Colts do in 2010? how about 2009 or 2008, lets go back to 2007 and 2006? There is zero pattern of bad play, or being a bad franchise. What we have is a franchise like it or not built around 1 player. Your defense is set to play to a certain style, that without that 1 player they are not playing to. Look at GB or the Pats, their defense isn't great, it's built to play to the strength of their QB. Are the Colts having a bad season...sure, but it's just one season. I will become concerned when I see a pattern of losing, no playoffs and such before I lable this franchise as bad.

Hey Polian (errrrrr troll)if you think there is another team in this league that would even interview Jim Caldwell for head coaching position, you know less about this game then you prove on every post.Manning has hid his total lack of game planning and management. I can't freaking understand why that is so hard for you to get. This bafoon averaged 3 wins a year in his 8 years at wake, and if he is here 8 years his average will be no better. WAKE UP!!

[IndyTrav]

Simple, history is on my side. What did the Colts do in 2010? how about 2009 or 2008, lets go back to 2007 and 2006? There is zero pattern of bad play, or being a bad franchise. What we have is a franchise like it or not built around 1 player. Your defense is set to play to a certain style, that without that 1 player they are not playing to. Look at GB or the Pats, their defense isn't great, it's built to play to the strength of their QB. Are the Colts having a bad season...sure, but it's just one season. I will become concerned when I see a pattern of losing, no playoffs and such before I lable this franchise as bad.

what does any of that have to do with the Colts? I didn't ask if the team was any good in 09,08,07,06. So once again, why do you refuse to believe this team is garbage, the coaching stinks and the FO has failed?

[dn4192]

Hey Polian (errrrrr troll)if you think there is another team in this league that would even interview Jim Caldwell for head coaching position, you know less about this game then you prove on every post.Manning has hid his total lack of game planning and management. I can't freaking understand why that is so hard for you to get. This bafoon averaged 3 wins a year in his 8 years at wake, and if he is here 8 years his average will be no better. WAKE UP!!

Never said he was a great coach, but as we have seen this season, the league is full of coaches who do things that make fans go huh? I mean really look at Atlanta and Dallas as examples. As for Caldwells ability or lack there of, neither of us have the experience or knowledge to know how good or bad he is.

[dn4192]

what does any of that have to do with the Colts? I didn't ask if the team was any good in 09,08,07,06. So once again, why do you refuse to believe this team is garbage, the coaching stinks and the FO has failed?

Because I look at the overall picture and not 1 season.

[IndyTrav]

Because I look at the overall picture and not 1 season.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhtttt.

"hey guys, the Colts are really good this year. Even tho they are 0-12 they USED to win" makes a ton of sense.

Once again, you have nothing. When asked about THIS season your refer back to another as if it has any bearing. Let's call the NFL office and see if they will hold us a playoff spot, for old times sake, bc you know, we used to be good.

[dn4192]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhtttt.

"hey guys, the Colts are really good this year. Even tho they are 0-12 they USED to win" makes a ton of sense.

Once again, you have nothing. When asked about THIS season your refer back to another as if it has any bearing. Let's call the NFL office and see if they will hold us a playoff spot, for old times sake, bc you know, we used to be good.

No I have said this is a bad season, and you know what....I don't care, it's just one season. I will become concerned when I see a pattern of losing, until then I will not run around acting foolish off of 1 bad season out of the past 10.

[LUVTHESHOE]

No I have said this is a bad season, and you know what....I don't care, it's just one season. I will become concerned when I see a pattern of losing, until then I will not run around acting foolish off of 1 bad season out of the past 10.

You don't care because you are a buc fan. remember 50/50 Colts, Bucs. And by the way I could care a less about the Falcons or Cowboys, would'nt want either coach here, and by the look on Jerry Jones face Garrett will be working at subway with Jim Caldwell next year.

[-JJ-]

No devotion here, I know there are problems with this team but it's not the end of the world, the franchise is not in danger of exploding and going 0-16 is not the end of the world. The team came out and played a pretty good game in a game EVERYONE including Vegas and NBC thought would be a stinker and it wasn't. We saw the best QB play out of the Colts this season and a team that moved the ball and put up 24 points against the Pats on their field. Meanwhile we only gave up 31 points to the highpowered Pats who played all their starters and even their QB for 98% of the game. Sorry but I refuse to run around like the world is coming to an end...

Vegas is strictly money.

Look I can support you in that one losing season is not so bad...every team as down seasons.

And giving up 31 to the most high powered offense...well I can support you there too...its not that bad. I expect the colts would play decent because I understand the NFL. They were oustanding infact in the 1st qtr with great play calling.

However I cannot support you in Caldwell. Or the colts philosophy which I'm afraid will not mean it will be just one losing season.

[dn4192]

You don't care because you are a buc fan. remember 50/50 Colts, Bucs. And by the way I could care a less about the Falcons or Cowboys, would'nt want either coach here, and by the look on Jerry Jones face Garrett will be working at subway with Jim Caldwell next year.

I support both teams, and I don't let "A" season sway me one way or the other on the status of the Franchise as a whole.

[dn4192]

Vegas is strictly money.

Look I can support you in that one losing season is not so bad...every team as down seasons.

And giving up 31 to the most high powered offense...well I can support you there too...its not that bad. I expect the colts would play decent because I understand the NFL. They were oustanding infact in the 1st qtr with great play calling.

However I cannot support you in Caldwell. Or the colts philosophy which I'm afraid will not mean it will be just one losing season.

I don't "support" Caldwell, I support those in charge of the Franchise to do what is best for the franchise. If that is keeping Caldwell then I am okay with that, if it is removing him then I am okay with that.

[colts_mp]

This is not just a bad season. Colts are on the verge of being the worst team ever to suit up for a season. But maybe PM will come back and this will be just a nightmare that Indy can wake up from.

The Colts did not almost come back and win the game yesterday. Pats defense is weak and the offense didn't try too much either in the 4th qtr. They were down 4TD's going into the 4th quarter. They scored 2TDs in the last 2 minutes to make it a 7 point game but they were never in the game. Orlovsky has still never won a game. He's going to get a rude reintroduction to reality next week when he has to face the Ravens defense.

And Brady playing almost the entire game means something? When has Peyton ever come out of a game? Pro quarterbacks do not come out of games unless they are injured or getting benched - it's never voluntary.

[dn4192]

This is not just a bad season. Colts are on the verge of being the worst team ever to suit up for a season. But maybe PM will come back and this will be just a nightmare that Indy can wake up from.

The Colts did not almost come back and win the game yesterday. Pats defense is weak and the offense didn't try too much either in the 4th qtr. They were down 4TD's going into the 4th quarter. They scored 2TDs in the last 2 minutes to make it a 7 point game but they were never in the game. Orlovsky has still never won a game. He's going to get a rude reintroduction to reality next week when he has to face the Ravens defense.

And Brady playing almost the entire game means something? When has Peyton ever come out of a game? Pro quarterbacks do not come out of games unless they are injured or getting benched - it's never voluntary.

It's just one season, there is no pattern in the franchise. Also if your starting QB is in the game isn't he doing everything possible to score each time he has the ball and if not, then why in the world would you have him out there risking injury if not to play full out and try to score?

[JimJaime]

ok to the Colt fans NOT thinking it was garbage time I will explain a few things:

1. BB was experimenting on D see if this or that would work (they had a 28 point lead.) The Pats D been awful between the 20's and I think the last 2 min he was seeing if McCourty could go man on man with a fast WR the results were NO. They also tried a WR at safety and IMO he did Ok, not great but ok.

2. The offense is clicking no need try any new players out and after they THOUGHT they got Gronk the TE reception TD record they took the foot of the peddle and tried some deeper passes see if they would work.

So to dr and everyone else thinking the pats didnt let up you obviously didnt watch the game CLOSELY.

[dn4192]

ok to the Colt fans NOT thinking it was garbage time I will explain a few things:

1. BB was experimenting on D see if this or that would work (they had a 28 point lead.) The Pats D been awful between the 20's and I think the last 2 min he was seeing if McCourty could go man on man with a fast WR the results were NO. They also tried a WR at safety and IMO he did Ok, not great but ok.

2. The offense is clicking no need try any new players out and after they THOUGHT they got Gronk the TE reception TD record they took the foot of the peddle and tried some deeper passes see if they would work.

So to dr and everyone else thinking the pats didnt let up you obviously didnt watch the game CLOSELY.

I guess it comes down to how you viewed the game. If I see the opposition out there with their A offense then I believe they are going to do everything possible to put points on teh board each and every time they have the ball. When a team marches down the field and scores on what ever personal you have on the field and you don't adjust and they march down on your again and score again making it 31-17 and you don't adjust either you are a bad coach or your defense isn't that good.

It comes down to perspective, those who want nothing good to happen to the Colts view it one way, those of us who are not so down on the team saw good things and feel it was a respectful effort by a limited team.

[colts_mp]

It's just one season, there is no pattern in the franchise. Also if your starting QB is in the game isn't he doing everything possible to score each time he has the ball and if not, then why in the world would you have him out there risking injury if not to play full out and try to score?

You're right one season doesn't make a pattern and let's hope it stays that way.

Are you seriously suggesting that quarterbacks are always trying to score in the 4th qtr with a big lead? Play calling is not the same when you have a big lead as it is when you are behind. agree? Do you want Manning holding on to the ball and taking a hit trying to throw to Wayne deep downfield when up 31-3? NO - he just hands off to Addai or Brown or Carter or throws a short quick pass play.

[dn4192]

You're right one season doesn't make a pattern and let's hope it stays that way.

Are you seriously suggesting that quarterbacks are always trying to score in the 4th qtr with a big lead? Play calling is not the same when you have a big lead as it is when you are behind. agree? Do you want Manning holding on to the ball and taking a hit trying to throw to Wayne deep downfield when up 31-3? NO - he just hands off to Addai or Brown or Carter or throws a short quick pass play.

If may "A" QB is in the game I want him to do the same thing he always does and that is to move the chains and score points. That is his job. If the HC feels the lead is big enough then get the "A" QB out of the game and go with the backup and don't risk injury. As long as the A guy is in, then yes scoring should be the objective.