LaRon Landry (Mega Merge)

[mattceinicram]

We are going to have to clear roster space for Landry to come back, and honestly I don't really want us to do that.  Do you think someone will be cut.  Will we see trades in the next 2 days?

[SkyBane]

A cut is likely, I don't see a trade happening. Depending on the injury situation if someone is bad enough, they may get moved to IR. My money is on a cut though.

[HtownColt]

Quarles or Meridith if I had to guess who is cut

[deadman]

Laron didn't show up today.

 

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNFL 1h1 hour ago

As of 4 pm Pagano said he still had not seen LaRon Landry. In fact, nobody could say he was facility today, the first day suspension ended

[MTC]

I'm guessing Dewey McDonald will be cut. Not sure though.

[BOTT]

Laron didn't show up today.

 

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNFL 1h1 hour ago

As of 4 pm Pagano said he still had not seen LaRon Landry. In fact, nobody could say he was facility today, the first day suspension ended

He probably passed out from flexing in the mirror

[backshoulderfade]

Laron didn't show up today.

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNFL 1h1 hour ago

As of 4 pm Pagano said he still had not seen LaRon Landry. In fact, nobody could say he was facility today, the first day suspension ended

What an absolute cretin.

[Superman]

Pagano said they are going to use their exemption on Landry anyways, so he won't be active this week. He can practice, though.

 

But if he's not at the facility, then I don't know what's going on. I think he's becoming a problem, more than anything else.

[Cynjin]

Laron didn't show up today.

 

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNFL 1h1 hour ago

As of 4 pm Pagano said he still had not seen LaRon Landry. In fact, nobody could say he was facility today, the first day suspension ended

 

That sounds very Laron like.  He probably thinks he doesn't need to show up until Tuesday.

[chrisfarley]

That sounds very Laron like.  He probably thinks he doesn't need to show up until Tuesday.

Well the team always gets Monday off, correct?

[Superman]

Well the team always gets Monday off, correct?

 

After wins, yes. You might have missed it, but we didn't win yesterday. 

 

And guys who need treatment or evaluation usually come in on Mondays anyways. First day off of suspension, it would seem like he'd be the first one in the building. 

[SteelCityColt]

What an absolute cretin.

 

What an absolute creatine,,,

 

I'll get my coat.

[CanuckColt]

That sounds very Laron like.  He probably thinks he doesn't need to show up until Tuesday.

I don't know how much we need him right now.

We need pass defenders and he is not noted for his cover skills.

[chrisfarley]

After wins, yes. You might have missed it, but we didn't win yesterday. 

 

And guys who need treatment or evaluation usually come in on Mondays anyways. First day off of suspension, it would seem like he'd be the first one in the building. 

But he's Superman

[grmasterb]

Could be nothing, but it wouldn't surprise me if this situation turns ugly. Based on Reggie's recent comments and other media reports, I sense that Landry is not really part of the locker room.

[BigQandTheManiac]

Could be nothing, but it wouldn't surprise me if this situation turns ugly. Based on Reggie's recent comments and other media reports, I sense that Landry is not really part of the locker room.

what comments?

[backshoulderfade]

What an absolute creatine,,,

I'll get my coat.

Get out.

[grmasterb]

what comments?

Called Landry a question mark. Indicated that no one knows the guy and that he has no relationship with anyone in the locker room.

[Cynjin]

Well the team always gets Monday off, correct?

 

That is my understanding.  Still, I would think that a player coming off suspension might want to show his face.

[Cynjin]

I don't know how much we need him right now.

We need pass defenders and he is not noted for his cover skills.

 

Well, he is depth if nothing else.

[ricker182]

He should have gotten his butt into the facility to watch film, practice, etc.

Inexcusable.

He won't be playing Monday by the sound of it either.

[TKnight24]

Laron didn't show up today.

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNFL 1h1 hour ago

As of 4 pm Pagano said he still had not seen LaRon Landry. In fact, nobody could say he was facility today, the first day suspension ended

There you have it..... Trade him first thing tomorrow morning

[BigQandTheManiac]

Called Landry a question mark. Indicated that no one knows the guy and that he has no relationship with anyone in the locker room.

smh wow

[Superman]

There you have it..... Trade him first thing tomorrow morning

 

To who? For what?

[SteelCityColt]

To who? For what?

 

Why the Jets of course! For Rex Ryan, get rid of Landry and solve our defensive woes all in one fall swoop!

[SteelCityColt]

I know this might sound slightly naive, but you'd think there would have been communication between the team and Landry about when he's expected back to the facility, just there could be no misunderstandings. Given that you have to wonder what he's playing at. 

 

For a locker room that's been built on the "team above all else" sort of ethos he's never been a team player and his performance hasn't justified not falling in line with the culture that the FO is trying to promote. 

 

Problem is there isn't a sensible way at this point I can see of moving him on, at least he's solid depth, but I have a horrid suspicion he'll be starting again soon.

[Superman]

Why the Jets of course! For Rex Ryan, get rid of Landry and solve our defensive woes all in one fall swoop!

 

The Jets wouldn't do that, which is my point. I would, though. Rex Ryan as a special consultant for the rest of the season? Sign me up.

 

In all honesty, our best bet with Landry is to release him sometime after the trade deadline. Then he goes through waivers, and maybe someone else will assume the rest of his contract, with no obligations beyond 2014. If not, we'll drop him after the season is over, I think.

[SteelCityColt]

The Jets wouldn't do that, which is my point. I would, though. Rex Ryan as a special consultant for the rest of the season? Sign me up.

 

In all honesty, our best bet with Landry is to release him sometime after the trade deadline. Then he goes through waivers, and maybe someone else will assume the rest of his contract, with no obligations beyond 2014. If not, we'll drop him after the season is over, I think.

 

Sorry I missed off the /Sarcasm smiley at the end of that post  

 

You'd know a lot better than me about the cap ins and outs of cutting players and when, but if we cut him after the trade deadline we'd still have an amount of dead money right? I'm not sure if we can't get a trade for him then to have as depth for the rest of the season when we're already thin at safety might not be the worst idea. Agree after the season cut him if we can't deal him

 

The more I think about Landry and his time here the more it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. I guess hit power isn't everything. 

[Superman]

I know this might sound slightly naive, but you'd think there would have been communication between the team and Landry about when he's expected back to the facility, just there could be no misunderstandings. Given that you have to wonder what he's playing at. 

 

For a locker room that's been built on the "team above all else" sort of ethos he's never been a team player and his performance hasn't justified not falling in line with the culture that the FO is trying to promote. 

 

Problem is there isn't a sensible way at this point I can see of moving him on, at least he's solid depth, but I have a horrid suspicion he'll be starting again soon.

 

The communication doesn't have to be with the team. I'm sure the notice he gets from the league makes very clear the day and time that his suspension is officially over. If it were me, I'd be at the facility as soon as possible, even if it is a day off. Even if I just go in to see the trainers. 

 

It rubs me the wrong way that, as of this afternoon, Pagano hadn't even heard from him. That's not acceptable. Even the first couple days of camp, I remember Grigson and Pagano saying something like 'he's coming in, I haven't seen him yet...' And then he wasn't cleared to practice for a week. I'm just not liking the LaRon Landry dynamic this year. On top of that stuff, he hasn't been very good on the field, so there's no redeeming factors for him.

[dw49]

To who? For what?

 

 

A glazed donut and a conditional 8th round pick. 

[PeterBowman]

To who? For what?

To the raiders for Khalil Mack

[Superman]

Sorry I missed off the /Sarcasm smiley at the end of that post

 

You'd know a lot better than me about the cap ins and outs of cutting players and when, but if we cut him after the trade deadline we'd still have an amount of dead money right? I'm not sure if we can't get a trade for him then to have as depth for the rest of the season when we're already thin at safety might not be the worst idea. Agree after the season cut him if we can't deal him

 

The more I think about Landry and his time here the more it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. I guess hit power isn't everything. 

 

I knew you were being sarcastic. TKnight isn't, though. I'm just pointing out that there is no trade market for LaRon Landry. If there is, it's verrrrry minimal (like, conditional 7th rounder, at best). We can't trade him, I don't think.

 

As for the cap penalty / dead money, I've started to look at this in a different way over the past year or so. To answer your question, whatever we've paid him this year in base salary (four weeks, $706K) stays on our 2014 cap, plus the prorated signing bonus of $1.75m, for a cap hit of about $2.5m (he doesn't get paid during the suspension, and that money doesn't hit our cap, if I understand correctly). If he doesn't get claimed off waivers, then the remaining $1.6m in base salary stays on our 2014 cap as well, taking that cap him up to $4.1m, which is what his cap hit will be if he stays on our roster for the rest of the season.

 

And in 2015, we'd have a cap penalty of $3.5m, which is the signing bonus money that hasn't hit the cap yet.

 

Here's the thing, though. If we release him after the trade deadline, he has to go through waivers. Another team can claim him, and they'd be responsible for his remaining $1.6m in 2014, and that would come off of our cap. If we release him and no one claims him, he can still sign with another team. Let's say he signs for $1m, prorated, so his new team pays him $500K. That $500K comes off of our cap. While I don't think we could trade him, I do think someone would at least sign him for the rest of the season, if not claim him off waivers.

 

I don't know what's going on with him. I might be overreacting. It's most likely that we keep him on the roster for the rest of the season. But like you say earlier, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that makes our locker room better. Reggie's comments after his suspension were kind of surprising, because you never hear Reggie say anything negative about anyone. And now, he doesn't show up after his suspension, and the coach doesn't say "the guys had the day off, he wasn't due in today." The coach says "I haven't seen or heard from him yet." Not good. I'm done with him, personally. And I'm not usually the kind of guy to write someone off, but I don't think he belongs.

[k9copinmd]

Called Landry a question mark. Indicated that no one knows the guy and that he has no relationship with anyone in the locker room.

 

Well IF this is true then he needs to go...the sooner the better 

[TKnight24]

To who? For what?

Would say the Saints but after last night, looks like that defense from last year is back despite losing Byrd

Gotta be someone who'll take him. If not, release him and I guess we'll just have to take the cap hit unfortunately

[Superman]

A glazed donut and a conditional 8th round pick. 

 

I don't think the CBA allows trades for donuts. And if it did, I don't think we could get a glazed. Maybe a plain...

 

Conditional 8th round pick is basically a compensatory, and those aren't tradeable. And if they were, I can't imagine what kind of conditions there would be on that pick. What, we get the pick if he flexes a certain number of times the rest of the season? 

 

In the NBA and MLB, you can trade a player for cash. I'd do that, but I don't think you can in the NFL. And I don't know how much cash we could get for Landry. 

 

In all seriousness, he has no trade value. If -- IF -- anyone wants him, they'd wait for us to release him after the deadline, and claim him off waivers. I still think that's our best option, that way maybe we can wiggle out of his remaining salary in 2014, and we get the roster spot.

[Superman]

To the raiders for Khalil Mack

 

Meh. We'd probably have to throw in Griff Whalen, and I'm not sure I'd want to do that for a stiff like Khalil Mack...

[corgi]

On the eve of the NFL trade deadline  owner/president/ GM Jerry Jones has already made the first move, acquiring Safety LaRon Landry from the Indianapolis Colts. When asked for a comment Jones had this to say.

 

"Yeah! I'm a pretty aggressive owner. Uh, when I heard Indianapolis needed a washing machine I looked at ours...even though we need ours. Uh, I said "I gotta pull the trigger on this."

[SteelCityColt]

I knew you were being sarcastic. TKnight isn't, though. I'm just pointing out that there is no trade market for LaRon Landry. If there is, it's verrrrry minimal (like, conditional 7th rounder, at best). We can't trade him, I don't think.

 

As for the cap penalty / dead money, I've started to look at this in a different way over the past year or so. To answer your question, whatever we've paid him this year in base salary (four weeks, $706K) stays on our 2014 cap, plus the prorated signing bonus of $1.75m, for a cap hit of about $2.5m (he doesn't get paid during the suspension, and that money doesn't hit our cap, if I understand correctly). If he doesn't get claimed off waivers, then the remaining $1.6m in base salary stays on our 2014 cap as well, taking that cap him up to $4.1m, which is what his cap hit will be if he stays on our roster for the rest of the season.

 

And in 2015, we'd have a cap penalty of $3.5m, which is the signing bonus money that hasn't hit the cap yet.

 

Here's the thing, though. If we release him after the trade deadline, he has to go through waivers. Another team can claim him, and they'd be responsible for his remaining $1.6m in 2014, and that would come off of our cap. If we release him and no one claims him, he can still sign with another team. Let's say he signs for $1m, prorated, so his new team pays him $500K. That $500K comes off of our cap. While I don't think we could trade him, I do think someone would at least sign him for the rest of the season, if not claim him off waivers.

 

I don't know what's going on with him. I might be overreacting. It's most likely that we keep him on the roster for the rest of the season. But like you say earlier, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that makes our locker room better. Reggie's comments after his suspension were kind of surprising, because you never hear Reggie say anything negative about anyone. And now, he doesn't show up after his suspension, and the coach doesn't say "the guys had the day off, he wasn't due in today." The coach says "I haven't seen or heard from him yet." Not good. I'm done with him, personally. And I'm not usually the kind of guy to write someone off, but I don't think he belongs.

An excellent breakdown as always, I agree there seems to be this fond illusion that you can trade any player easily, if only.

So I guess the question is, assuming a team was willing to claim him off waivers, what's worth more to the team 1.6 million in cap space this year, or having Landry as depth or possibly starting. That or is it worth it to move on a locker room headache?

[SteelCityColt]

On the eve of the NFL trade deadline  owner/president/ GM Jerry Jones has already made the first move, acquiring Safety LaRon Landry from the Indianapolis Colts. When asked for a comment Jones had this to say.

 

"Yeah! I'm a pretty aggressive owner. Uh, when I heard Indianapolis needed a washing machine I looked at ours...even though we need ours. Uh, I said "I gotta pull the trigger on this."

Excellent trade for the Colts, after the Steelers game it's clear the pass rush of the last few weeks was fraudulent so the washing machine might just be what we need. I hear it has a mean spin move, though it does tend to attract laundry.

[Superman]

An excellent breakdown as always, I agree there seems to be this fond illusion that you can trade any player easily, if only.

So I guess the question is, assuming a team was willing to claim him off waivers, what's worth more to the team 1.6 million in cap space this year, or having Landry as depth or possibly starting. That or is it worth it to move on a locker room headache?

 

I don't even know if he's a headache. I'd waive him because a) I don't like him, b) it would send a message to everyone in the locker room that the way you represent yourself and the team is important. No interest in scapegoating him, but he's not endearing himself to anyone at this point, IMO.

 

The cap space isn't that important, but it's a bonus. I'd rather have it than not. As for Landry providing depth, I don't know that he can be trusted to be on his game if he's not starting. I just have a bad feeling, overall, about him.