Today's NFL: Corrupt ot Not?

[amfootball]

It's not an excuse, it's just the reality of reporting the news, the public's reaction, and the affected groups (i.e. NFL) responding to it.  I'm not blaming the media for stories like this coming up.  You're putting words in my mouth.  All I said was that stories like this weren't reported like they are today.  If it's not widely reported, then it's not going to gain any attention from the public.  The media reports what makes money, and right now, domestic violence is the thing to report.  I mean, we didn't even know that Peterson was being investigated last year for potential child abuse (in fact, ESPN initially reported it as new charges, when in fact, they were over a year old).  So before things like this were reported, of course the NFL is going to be silent about it.  It's not going to go make a public announcement about the incidence of domestic abuse and blow the whistle on itself.  That's a way for business to give itself its own black eye. 

 

Just because it doesn't want bad publicity doesn't mean it doesn't wnat any publicity at all. 

It is a mine field. Media relations are paramount for large organizations today. The playing field has changed much and the NFL may be in no man's land right now which is why the Commish has gone underground. Not sure what their next move is going to be but staying quiet might be the best bet for now but they will have to surface at some point.

[Jules]

This isn't solely about whether the NFL is corrupt or not. It is society as a whole.....the illusions many have had can be dwindling a bit since an everyday favorite pastime is showing some cracks. An escape for entertainment is becoming too "real" for most....

 

It is and always has been about deeper issues in America that never ever get fixed and probably won't.  

 

And this country does reward athletes from all levels at times and lets them get away with too much their whole lives. Don't think this just applies to a small percentage here either.......I would wager many of our golden boys in the NFL have done stuff too and gotten away with it depending on the incidents.

 

This isn't about your everyday worker either. Your everyday worker does not become a multi millionaire and get hoards of worshipers. Professional athletes are over paid to me, period. You cannot logically find a way to say they are paid what they are worth to their contributions to the well being of society as a whole.

 

And to the original post, don't think certain groups can save the day.  It is just band aids and words at times thrown out to appease the masses who choose to believe they are good progressives.

[Nadine]

You missed my other posts. I am not blaming the league but the players who are part of the NFL. That is the part that is depressing.

CHILD ABUSE IS DEPRESSING.  It has nothing to do with football

 

There are lots of great people in the NFL, don't paint them all with the brush used on people who are violent with their families

[amfootball]

CHILD ABUSE IS DEPRESSING.  It has nothing to do with football

 

There are lots of great people in the NFL, don't paint them all with the brush used on people who are violent with their families

Who is painting anything? I am depressed specifically about Ray Rice who was one of my favorite players and Peterson who was also another one of my favorite players. I am an NFL fan so I am sad about players who I followed and rooted for when these stories surface. Plenty of great guys in the NFL. No one is suggesting there isn't.

[Nadine]

Men tune out a lot of things.    Some times I wish I had that "gene".  

I've gotten that way.  I tune lots of stuff out.

More and more all the time.

[Nadine]

It is important to drag conspiracies into the light of day. For example, I was fired from my career at Burger King last week. I refused to recognize them as an actual monarchy and was escorted off the grounds by a 19 year old assistant manager who has ties to the illuminati. 

 

illuminati?  impressive

[oldunclemark]

The lack of responses and the given responses to the ongoing domestic violence issues has to raise many eyebrows as to something called "decency" and" integrity". Minnestoa's sudden turnaround is so incredibly see through they should pay a fine for being insincere. Now SF joins the little group of kids getting caught with their fingers in the cookie jar and now suspends their bad boy. Where is one statement from the commish? With all the political women's rights female politicians in SF not one word from anyone but Pelosi has fianlly spoken up. The NFL to me has elevated itself like a snake crawling up a chlid's backside. Heck, even Florida State reacted quickly to their bad boy. Peterson's insane defense that his father did it so it's OK. What if his father raped his daughters? And yet no word of indifference to this by the Vikings of the commish. Do not think for one second that there are not bundles of other cases the NFL has not acted on as they hushed them all up. Watching all of these persons representing their respective teams offer up these meeley mouth, spineless excuses for no discipline in favoer of winning has to stop....now! The only reason the teams are finally moving on these issues is sponsors...period, i.e, M-O-N-E-Y.

 

The NFL is a private organization..and they cant solve the problems of child abuse, domestic violence and drug abuse

We are fools to ask them.

No matter how many games they suspend players for..the men can still beat their wives..

The courts have to put them in jail..

The NFL is any more corrupt than you and I are

The long standing saying, "Winning is not everything, it's the ONLY thing" has never come to light as it has recently.

[Valpo2004]

I don't think its a gender thing

I think it's social media

This whole thing started to spiral when the ray rice video came out

 

I think this is mass hysteria for both men and women. The sky is falling the sky is falling!

 

Child abuse and domestic violence didn't just start, we've always had these things.  What's new is that people like to get whipped up into a frenzy.......and the media and social media accelerate this

 

I'd like to see a sociologist study this.

 

And before anybody counters with (YOU MUST NOT CARE ABOUT CHILDREN!!!!!!!)......children are not what I am referring to.  I'm referring to the spectators here who want to be involved by venting their outrage.

 

This whole thing is out of control

 

NFL gives them what they want with Ray Rice.......they move on to AP......NFL gives them what they want with AP.......and shares further incidences with them so they can stop digging for me

 

NOW THEYRE OUTRAGED ABOUT EVERYTHING........where do you go with this much emotion?  It must be someone is to blame for them feeling so upset........they probably need to be fired.  We probably need an investigation!

 

Now if people want to express an opinion that they don't want child beaters or wife beaters in the NFL, fine.  But don't pretend that it exists in the NFL more than it does elsewhere or that the NFL is somehow corrupt because you just found out that everyone in it is human and as a group have the same problems as other groups of humans

 

And don't pretend that corporations are going to solve our social ills, they're not, none of them.  They do what they do to make money

 

That's the reason most of us work.  Difference is Lots of people pay attention to the NFL and the rest of us just don't have that kind of audience judging us

 

Don't pretend the NFL can cure our problems and hold yourself accountable to doing more that calling for someone else's head on a stick

 

Sorry, Ruk, I did not mean to direct all of this at you, this is just where I stopped in this thread because this started building in me with the first post

 

People scare me sometimes.  Watching this unfold has been more than a little bit scary

 

That's the thing though. . . a huge part of this "outrage" is because people for some reason or another feel as though they have to prove to the world that they disapprove of beating up women and children.  (But only when a man does it as evidenced by Hope Solo, who beat up both a woman (her sister) and a child (her nephew))

 

The very fact that you had to make that comment shows what the public attitude towards these things are. . . if you dare approach the discussion with some degree of logic or measured thoughts then you clearly approve of women and children being beaten.  

[jvan1973]

This isn't solely about whether the NFL is corrupt or not. It is society as a whole.....the illusions many have had can be dwindling a bit since an everyday favorite pastime is showing some cracks. An escape for entertainment is becoming too "real" for most....

It is and always has been about deeper issues in America that never ever get fixed and probably won't.

And this country does reward athletes from all levels at times and lets them get away with too much their whole lives. Don't think this just applies to a small percentage here either.......I would wager many of our golden boys in the NFL have done stuff too and gotten away with it depending on the incidents.

This isn't about your everyday worker either. Your everyday worker does not become a multi millionaire and get hoards of worshipers. Professional athletes are over paid to me, period. You cannot logically find a way to say they are paid what they are worth to their contributions to the well being of society as a whole.

And to the original post, don't think certain groups can save the day. It is just band aids and words at times thrown out to appease the masses who choose to believe they are good progressives.

There is no such thing as being over paid

[OffensivelyPC]

It is a mine field. Media relations are paramount for large organizations today. The playing field has changed much and the NFL may be in no man's land right now which is why the Commish has gone underground. Not sure what their next move is going to be but staying quiet might be the best bet for now but they will have to surface at some point.

Until the investigation into it's complete and there are answers to the questions that we are all debating, there really isn't anything Goodell needs to say,  at least on this topic.  So his not being available to the media makes sense to me, because that's by and large the only kind of questions he is going to get anyway.  Any other time, no one cares where Goodell is, so I don't see why the media wants to point out that he's been absent for a week.  Big whoop.  If you (by "you" i mean the media) noticed, they've got a lot of stuff going on right now.  Not just on the investigation front.  I'm sure he's been dealing with a lot of investor questions, discussing what it's next steps are and how to best address this entire situation, all on top of the typical daily duties that he already has.  The guy's busy.

 

 

[OffensivelyPC]

There is no such thing as being over paid

The problem is, everyone always has an opinion on your salary.  lol.

[Nadine]

So? Did they not know this before?

don't know

[NewColtsFan]

The NFL is NOT corrupt.

 

But at the moment,  it's not very well run.

[DougDew]

I don't think it makes any sense for the NFL to punish anyone in the first place, the government exists for a reason.

And people can do what they want, if there was such a thing as control, there would be no conflict in Syria and Gadafi would still be in Egypt.

Too many people cannot see the logic behind your statement. (except that Gaddafi was in Libya:-)  They think with their hearts and not their heads.

 

I hate to go down this road, but there is a certain way of thinking that says that large, powerful, rich corporations owe society some social responsibility.  No. They don't. 

 

They owe society to not break the law or a certain common agreed upon level of morality when conducting their business...but they do not owe society policies for punishing their own employess for their personal conduct, or even to provide society with a social message.

 

That's why I have said all along that the NFL's responsibility is to provide an honest product, which means they need to get a handle around the illegal/immoral issues of PEDs, Concussions, and Painkillers, because those are the issues that directly lead to the public thinking their product is phony.

 

Instead, they try to deflect and get us to believe that their image is one of righteousness by punishing their employees for personal transgressions.  They may have to suspend 25% of their players when it is all said and done.

[jvan1973]

The NFL is NOT corrupt.

But at the moment, it's not very well run.

I think their bottom line says otherwise

[Valpo2004]

This isn't solely about whether the NFL is corrupt or not. It is society as a whole.....the illusions many have had can be dwindling a bit since an everyday favorite pastime is showing some cracks. An escape for entertainment is becoming too "real" for most....

 

It is and always has been about deeper issues in America that never ever get fixed and probably won't.  

 

And this country does reward athletes from all levels at times and lets them get away with too much their whole lives. Don't think this just applies to a small percentage here either.......I would wager many of our golden boys in the NFL have done stuff too and gotten away with it depending on the incidents.

 

This isn't about your everyday worker either. Your everyday worker does not become a multi millionaire and get hoards of worshipers. Professional athletes are over paid to me, period. You cannot logically find a way to say they are paid what they are worth to their contributions to the well being of society as a whole.

 

And to the original post, don't think certain groups can save the day.  It is just band aids and words at times thrown out to appease the masses who choose to believe they are good progressives.

 

People are not paid by the contribution to society, they are paid by a combination of factors such as supply and demand for the skills they are used and the amount of profit that those skills can help create.

 

Actors and Musicians are extremely highly paid as well.  But the entertainment industry (which I would include the NFL in) is an extremely profitable one.  And very few have the abilities of these players, very few have the voice of many singers, and very few have the looks of many of the actors and actresses out there.  (In movies I tend to believe that your looks are nearly as important as your ability to act, if not more important.)

[Valpo2004]

I think their bottom line says otherwise

 

What about making a lot of money necessarily makes an organization corrupt?

[jvan1973]

What about making a lot of money necessarily makes an organization corrupt?

He said the NFL wasn't a well run business. I said their bottom line says different

[Nadine]

That's the thing though. . . a huge part of this "outrage" is because people for some reason or another feel as though they have to prove to the world that they disapprove of beating up women and children.  (But only when a man does it as evidenced by Hope Solo, who beat up both a woman (her sister) and a child (her nephew))

 

The very fact that you had to make that comment shows what the public attitude towards these things are. . . if you dare approach the discussion with some degree of logic or measured thoughts then you clearly approve of women and children being beaten.  

I don't know, maybe they really did think that all NFL players are perfect.  It's all very strange to me

 

I watched the news this am and there was a lot of violence in Indy last night.  People were shot and stabbed (including a baby) and a woman died

 

I guess because nobody knew them........it just rolls off people like a statistic.  But if it's a hero......then people are more upset because they admired that person.......and maybe also the organization they worked for.

 

I'm not saying we should embrace domestic violence in the NFL......I don't think we should.  And I think it's good that people express that.

 

But the thread title asked if the NFL was corrupt and I just cannot fathom why anyone would ask that based on what's happened.

[NewColtsFan]

I think their bottom line says otherwise

 

The bottom line = Big Picture.

 

That's why I wrote.....   "at the moment".....

 

We're in week 3 of the NFL season,   and for the first three weeks of the season,  from Monday thru Friday there just isn't very much actual football being talked about.

 

It's all about off the field issues that have completely consumed the league.  

 

There are calls for the commissioner to resign.    Some sponsors are pulling out.

 

The media just called last week the worst week in the history of the NFL.

 

Oh,  and Roger Goodell, the commissioner,  hasn't been seen nor heard from in 9 days now.

 

So,  I'm comfortable saying that at the moment,  the NFL is NOT a very well run run league.     Despite the bottom line.

[Valpo2004]

I don't know, maybe they really did think that all NFL players are perfect.  It's all very strange to me

 

I watched the news this am and there was a lot of violence in Indy last night.  People were shot and stabbed (including a baby) and a woman died

 

I guess because nobody knew them........it just rolls off people like a statistic.  But if it's a hero......then people are more upset because they admired that person.......and maybe also the organization they worked for.

 

I'm not saying we should embrace domestic violence in the NFL......I don't think we should.  And I think it's good that people express that.

 

But the thread title asked if the NFL was corrupt and I just cannot fathom why anyone would ask that based on what's happened.

 

I'll be upfront and honest with you.  It is because there was a video tape of Ray Rice punching his Fiance.  That's it. . . People will ignore a problem for years until someone dies (and the media decides to cover it) or there is a video tape.  The video tape makes these things real for them.

 

I talked about how back when I was in middle school no one cared about a nerd getting bullied and beat up and that many at the time would have suggested that being on the receiving end of such beatings where good for me.  (I would beg to differ and it has little to do with the physical pain and humiliation I endured.  I can tell you how those things affected me mentally.)

 

It's no coincidence that people started caring about bullying when the internet became a big thing.  Because some people killed themselves and that story got passed on while others got video tapes of actual bullying.

 

It's all because it was caught on tape that that's why we have this outrage.  

 

And for the record you don't have to clarify for me that your logical statements don't mean that you believe that the NFL should embrace domestic violence.  I try not to debate using straw men.  

[Valpo2004]

The bottom line = Big Picture.

 

That's why I wrote.....   "at the moment".....

 

We're in week 3 of the NFL season,   and for the first three weeks of the season,  from Monday thru Friday there just isn't very much actual football being talked about.

 

It's all about off the field issues that have completely consumed the league.  

 

There are calls for the commissioner to resign.    Some sponsors are pulling out.

 

The media just called last week the worst week in the history of the NFL.

 

Oh,  and Roger Goodell, the commissioner,  hasn't been seen nor heard from in 9 days now.

 

So,  I'm comfortable saying that at the moment,  the NFL is NOT a very well run run league.     Despite the bottom line.

 

Have to think about these things long term.  The media loves a good old moral panic every now and then and the NFL is the whipping boy du jour.  

 

Once they find something more interesting or get tired of this one they will move on.  

[Jules]

There is no such thing as being over paid

 

Oh my dear......yes yes, there is.

 

Having spent my teenage years with a few billionaire's sons and daughters while away at boarding school...Yes, believe me.....once you know a few of those families better you understand more about how society works first hand and how class warfare truly is a thorn in our sides since birth and through death.......

[Jules]

The bottom line = Big Picture.

 

That's why I wrote.....   "at the moment".....

 

We're in week 3 of the NFL season,   and for the first three weeks of the season,  from Monday thru Friday there just isn't very much actual football being talked about.

 

It's all about off the field issues that have completely consumed the league.  

 

There are calls for the commissioner to resign.    Some sponsors are pulling out.

 

The media just called last week the worst week in the history of the NFL.

 

Oh,  and Roger Goodell, the commissioner,  hasn't been seen nor heard from in 9 days now.

 

So,  I'm comfortable saying that at the moment,  the NFL is NOT a very well run run league.     Despite the bottom line.

 

9 days? lol I wonder whats going on.

[OffensivelyPC]

Oh my dear......yes yes, there is.

 

Having spent my teenage years with a few billionaire's sons and daughters while away at boarding school...Yes, believe me.....once you know a few of those families better you understand more about how society works first hand and how class warfare truly is a thorn in our sides since birth and through death.......

He was speaking facetiously, in that to the person being paid, that person would never think they were being overpaid, i.e. who wouldn't want to make more money?

[Jules]

He was speaking facetiously, in that to the person being paid, that person would never think they were being overpaid, i.e. who wouldn't want to make more money?

 

This is why society gives me a headache.

 

There is much more to life then money. I hate it.......

[Superman]

I don't think its a gender thing

I think it's social media

This whole thing started to spiral when the ray rice video came out

 

I think this is mass hysteria for both men and women. The sky is falling the sky is falling!

 

Child abuse and domestic violence didn't just start, we've always had these things.  What's new is that people like to get whipped up into a frenzy.......and the media and social media accelerate this

 

I'd like to see a sociologist study this.

 

And before anybody counters with (YOU MUST NOT CARE ABOUT CHILDREN!!!!!!!)......children are not what I am referring to.  I'm referring to the spectators here who want to be involved by venting their outrage.

 

This whole thing is out of control

 

NFL gives them what they want with Ray Rice.......they move on to AP......NFL gives them what they want with AP.......and shares further incidences with them so they can stop digging for me

 

NOW THEYRE OUTRAGED ABOUT EVERYTHING........where do you go with this much emotion?  It must be someone is to blame for them feeling so upset........they probably need to be fired.  We probably need an investigation!

 

Now if people want to express an opinion that they don't want child beaters or wife beaters in the NFL, fine.  But don't pretend that it exists in the NFL more than it does elsewhere or that the NFL is somehow corrupt because you just found out that everyone in it is human and as a group have the same problems as other groups of humans

 

And don't pretend that corporations are going to solve our social ills, they're not, none of them.  They do what they do to make money

 

That's the reason most of us work.  Difference is Lots of people pay attention to the NFL and the rest of us just don't have that kind of audience judging us

 

Don't pretend the NFL can cure our problems and hold yourself accountable to doing more that calling for someone else's head on a stick

 

Sorry, Ruk, I did not mean to direct all of this at you, this is just where I stopped in this thread because this started building in me with the first post

 

People scare me sometimes.  Watching this unfold has been more than a little bit scary

 

Damn, this is a great post. Seriously.

[NewColtsFan]

Have to think about these things long term.  The media loves a good old moral panic every now and then and the NFL is the whipping boy du jour.  

 

Once they find something more interesting or get tired of this one they will move on.  

 

 

This hasn't been some kind of speed bump that the media is having fun covering.

 

This has been a train wreck of epic proportions.     A complete disaster.

 

The media will follow this until it has run its course.      There's not much out there that will be more interesting or that they will tire of.....

[Superman]

This is why society gives me a headache.

 

There is much more to life then money. I hate it.......

 

So, because there's more to life than money, wanting to make money is wrong?

[Superman]

This hasn't been some kind of speed bump that the media is having fun covering.

 

This has been a train wreck of epic proportions.     A complete disaster.

 

The media will follow this until it has run its course.      There's not much out there that will be more interesting or that they will tire of.....

 

Not really. I think this is a sad sequence of events, but it's not the first time the NFL has dealt with a rash of off field situations in a short period of time. And it's not only the NFL that's had to deal with this kind of stuff.

 

This is the reason Roger Goodell has the reputation of being an overbearing dictator of a commissioner (I don't agree with that depiction of him, but there's no question people describe him that way). When he came in, he started dropping the hammer on players doing dumb stuff like this, and some of it was WORSE than what's going on lately. Google Pacman Jones, and you'll see what I mean. Google Chris Henry. Tank Johnson. I could go on. 

 

No question this is a blight on the league's reputation, but I'm generally turned off by absolute statements like "this is the worst" anything over any period of time. It's usually not. 

 

Overall, I think the league will increase awareness regarding some of these issues. I think public opinion is going to change the way people view Roger Goodell's disciplinary actions (until the Ray Rice 2 gamer, he was considered to be too harsh, and now maybe people will snap out of it and understand what the real issue is). Very problematic for the time being, but I don't think this is a systemic issue with the NFL. As Nadine said, these issues are prevalent in society, and we know about them when they happen in the NFL, but they aren't only happening in the NFL.

[Valpo2004]

This hasn't been some kind of speed bump that the media is having fun covering.

 

This has been a train wreck of epic proportions.     A complete disaster.

 

The media will follow this until it has run its course.      There's not much out there that will be more interesting or that they will tire of.....

 

And entire plane with 239 people in it vanished from the face of the earth and we've found no trace of it thus far.

 

That's far more interesting then a couple of football players who hit people.  But even that lost it's every day coverage.

 

It's not a disaster, it's not a train wreak.  It's the moral outrage of the day.  They will find something else to be morally outraged about in due time.

 

Someone will say something stupid or do something bad and it will be caught on video or someone will kill themselves because of what someone else did or some small town will try to cover up a crime by one of it's star athletes.

 

Moral outrage du jour. 

[OffensivelyPC]

This is why society gives me a headache.

 

There is much more to life then money. I hate it.......

I never said that money was everything.  Money is just a tool.  But you don't shift your focus (or shouldn't anyway) off of the important things in life simply because you make more money.  Case in point, I could probably take a higher paying job at a law firm or something, but I'm content where I am because I have a job that, yeah maybe it could pay a little more, but by and large, I generally have nights and weekends off.  Sure on a rare occasion I have to stay late or come in on the weekend.  But if I took a job at a firm, espeically a bigger one, I wouldn't have hardly any nights or weekends off.  I know people at firms who work 60-70 hour weeks on a regular basis.  No thanks.  No amount of money is worth missing the bulk of my daughters life and missing opportunities to spend time with my wife.

[Gramz]

NEWSFLASH:

 

Domestic Violence is NOT,  I repeat,  is NOT just something that happens with a few players in the NFL.

 

Heres an article about a JUDGE charged with domestic violence against his wife.   Yet, he's in a position to oversee these types of cases in a court of law.    

 

Oh, and he basically got a slap on the wrist.   What is wrong with this picture..??

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2014/09/10/judge-arrested-in-wifes-beating-gets-slap-on-the-wrist-in-plea-deal/

[ColtsBlueFL]

That's the thing though. . . a huge part of this "outrage" is because people for some reason or another feel as though they have to prove to the world that they disapprove of beating up women and children.  (But only when a man does it as evidenced by Hope Solo, who beat up both a woman (her sister) and a child (her nephew))

 

The very fact that you had to make that comment shows what the public attitude towards these things are. . . if you dare approach the discussion with some degree of logic or measured thoughts then you clearly approve of women and children being beaten.  

 

Any man who lays a hand on any woman is a loser.  If you're in a position of prestige, influence, or public figure, you're a loser that needs to be publicized as a loser. To whom much is given, much is expected in return. As far as employers not responding (or do not need) to such actions... balderdash.  IIRC, Jay Mariotti got canned by AOL and ESPN immediately after his domestic violence arrest.  I bet I could find tons of examples searching the web all day.  Don't need to.  Employers can and do take action, especially if their employee is a visible  representative of their brand.

 

Fortunately, the number of losers out there aren't that large.  So once they (NFL)  get through this cycle, and their policies are i place, all will be right with the world again.

[ColtsBlueFL]

NEWSFLASH:

 

Domestic Violence is NOT,  I repeat,  is NOT just something that happens with a few players in the NFL.

 

Heres an article about a JUDGE charged with domestic violence against his wife.   Yet, he's there to protect the rights and laws of citizens.  

 

Oh, and he basically got a slap on the wrist.   What is wrong with this picture..??

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2014/09/10/judge-arrested-in-wifes-beating-gets-slap-on-the-wrist-in-plea-deal/

 

Yes losers are in every profession.  But  beyond that, they may actually be productive citizens.  The justice system is a penile institution, but I believe there is remedies to rehab what could possibly be a productive citizen if possible.  Thus the 1st offense leniency and based upon circumstances to go with the charge.  Thus Ray Rice is in counseling.  We can only hope it works though, and no relapses.

[OffensivelyPC]

Any man who lays a hand on any woman is a loser.  If you're in a position of prestige, influence, or public figure, you're a loser that needs to be publicized as a loser. To whom much is given, much is expected in return. As far as employers not responding (or do not need) to such actions... balderdash.  IIRC, Jay Mariotti got canned by AOL and ESPN immediately after his domestic violence arrest.  I bet I could find tons of examples searching the web all day.  Don't need to.  Employers can and do take action, especially if their employee is a visible  representative of their brand.

 

Fortunately, the number of losers out there aren't that large.  So once they (NFL)  get through this cycle, and their policies are i place, all will be right with the world again.

To the bolded: 

 

While most people say that with a couple of expletitives, that statement in general is a pet peeve of mine and I disagree with it as a blanket statement that covers any and every instance of males hitting females.  In general, that statement is true.  The unprovoked and unnecessary striking of a woman is a terrible thing.  But self-defense and defense of others is okay in my book, provided it is reasonable to do so under the circumstances.  Sometimes fleeing is not at all possible, and a man shouldn't have to sit idle and allow the abuse (perhaps life threatening), whether for him or his child, to continue.  I don't mean to call you out or even suggest that you don't believe in self-defense or whatever.  But when I see that, I feel like I have to clarify it.  Like I said, pet peeve.

[John Waylon]

The amount of hypocrisy abounding is absolutely unbearable, and is honestly starting to turn me away from football. 

 

For years now everyone has cried a river that Goodell is too strict and too power hungry and no good when he has suspended players for whatever. 

 

Now, the one time he doesn't take action and lets the players play (You know, like everyone asked for) it's time to put his head on a pike and march it across the nation. 

 

Everyone is treating this like domestic violence is some problem exclusive to the NFL...

 

Is this suddenly some kind of parallel universe? Greg Oden racks up felony battery charges against a woman and no one bats an eye. No one brings up the NBA. Throughout all of this mess I haven't heard one single voice call on the NBA to take immediate action. Congress isn't ringing Adam Silver's phone up non-stop about the issue. No one is bringing up similar cases in other sports...

 

No, it's all about the NFL. And somehow, it's all been turned around so that the NFL is at fault.

 

How in the hell did this happen? 

 

And then to add to it, Anheuser-Busch, quite possibly the leading cause of both child abuse and domestic violence, has come out and fired a shot across the NFL's bow for what's going on. 

 

This country has gone SOFT. Entirely soft. Any time something bad happens to someone, we as a nation decide we have to rise up and crucify whoever we feel to be responsible, and make sure it never ever happens again. 

 

This stuff has been going on since the beginning of time. It will continue to happen until the end of time. It happens literally billions of times more OUTSIDE the NFL than it does WITHIN the NFL. 

 

But yet the NFL is the big bad boogeyman, the perpetrator of all domestic violence evils, and Roger Goodell is satan himself and must be held accountable for every wrongdoing from the beginning of time to date.

 

 

 

People think the violent side of life is sick.... No way. Look at the way we react to problems as a society. THAT is what's sick.

[Valpo2004]

Any man who lays a hand on any woman is a loser.  If you're in a position of prestige, influence, or public figure, you're a loser that needs to be publicized as a loser. To whom much is given, much is expected in return. As far as employers not responding (or do not need) to such actions... balderdash.  IIRC, Jay Mariotti got canned by AOL and ESPN immediately after his domestic violence arrest.  I bet I could find tons of examples searching the web all day.  Don't need to.  Employers can and do take action, especially if their employee is a visible  representative of their brand.

 

Fortunately, the number of losers out there aren't that large.  So once they (NFL)  get through this cycle, and their policies are i place, all will be right with the world again.

 

I lay my hand on my wife a lot, that's why we have a kid and other on the way.  :-)

 

But you are exactly what I'm talking about.  No logic to your posting, no measured discussion of how we should handle these situations.  They are losers and they must be removed from society and have their lives destroyed.  Because not doing so doesn't get us enough revenge.  And it doesn't matter if our revenge creates more victims, we must have revenge.

 

Anyways what should we do to see that these "losers" don't continue to be "losers" and actually lead productive and non-violent lives.  

 

I'm pretty sure calling them losers doesn't help with that situation.

 

And what is of course worse about your post is that you have gendered it. . . Do you know that in domestic situations that involve 1 way violence studies have shown the violence is carried about by the woman against men as much as 70% of the time?  I'm curious are those women losers too or do they get a magical pass because they are women?

 

We need to have a measured but logical response to people (men or women) who have anger and violence issues.  Calling them a loser doesn't fix the problem.  Neither does throwing them out of society and removing all of their prospects for employment.  

 

But please feel free to carry on your quest to make sure that everyone knows you disapprove of violence against women.  

[Nadine]

This country has gone SOFT. Entirely soft. Any time something bad happens to someone, we as a nation decide we have to rise up and crucify whoever we feel to be responsible, and make sure it never ever happens again. 

 

 

Agree except this.  My issue is that people DON"T take issue with domestic violence the same way. Mostly it's ignored.  So it feels false to me, this outrage.

 

Bad things happen every day and nobody really notices.......especially not to this extent.  I don't know what all this is about but it is not about women or children imo

[NewColtsFan]

And entire plane with 239 people in it vanished from the face of the earth and we've found no trace of it thus far.

 

That's far more interesting then a couple of football players who hit people.  But even that lost it's every day coverage.

 

It's not a disaster, it's not a train wreak.  It's the moral outrage of the day.  They will find something else to be morally outraged about in due time.

 

Someone will say something stupid or do something bad and it will be caught on video or someone will kill themselves because of what someone else did or some small town will try to cover up a crime by one of it's star athletes.

 

Moral outrage du jour. 

 

The reason no one is talking about the plane with 239 lost passengers and crew is because there's nothing new to report.

 

When there was new news to report,  the story got huge coverage.    CNN got ridiculed for covering it almost around the clock for more than a month straight.    Seriously,  some made fun of CNN for over-covering it.

 

The moral outrage of the day -- as you put it -- is any given individual case against any individual player.

 

But the Big Picture is the way this has spun completely out of control for the NFL. 

 

The league that does the best job of staying "on message" and saying what they want,  has now gone silent because they fear that whatever they say or do could come back to haunt them.    Much of what they've said in the past 3 weeks or so has either backfired or blown-up in their face.    This has rarely happened to the NFL before and never on this scale. 

 

It's completely unprecedented.

 

That's the Big Picture.

 

The media will go away when the NFL fixes a large variety of complicated problems.    Right now,  no one knows how to fix this.  And so the media continues to cover it.