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TB has had some amazing seasons, as is evidenced by his records (50 TD's in '07, last season's insane 9:1 TD:INT ratio) that may never be broken. Can't take that away from him.

Its the season after season consistency where PM has him beat. TB has had some stellar defenses, ours haven't been so hot. Peyton has eleven 4,000 yard seasons, Tom has three.

that why PM > TB for me.

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100%, Brady is the better winner, but Manning is by far the better quarterback. People always say, Brady is better because of the rings, but if we go by rings then Ben Roethlisberger is better than Dan Marino, and Trent Dilfer is also better. Obviously they're not, so it just goes to show that rings are not that important.

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100%, Brady is the better winner, but Manning is by far the better quarterback. People always say, Brady is better because of the rings, but if we go by rings then Ben Roethlisberger is better than Dan Marino, and Trent Dilfer is also better. Obviously they're not, so it just goes to show that rings are not that important.

Rings are very important...they just cant be the basis of an entire argument, which unfortunately was often the case from Patriots fans 'back in the day' when it was a stats vs rings argument. Of course Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson arent better than Dan Marino, but in a business that is centered around accomplishment and reaching the ultimate goal of winning, championships (whether its fair or not) often enter the discussion as a way to help judge a player. But its no longer a stats vs rings argument between Brady and Manning...because both have racked up a pretty darn good combination of both.

There are times when I watch Peyton Manning and there is no doubt in my mind that hes the greatest of all time. There are other times when I watch Brady and I cant help but think hes the best Ive ever watched. Both are the perfect fit for what their individual teams are all about, and theres no way this debate will ever be truly resolved.

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Rings are very important...they just cant be the basis of an entire argument, which unfortunately was often the case from Patriots fans 'back in the day' when it was a stats vs rings argument. Of course Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson arent better than Dan Marino, but in a business that is centered around accomplishment and reaching the ultimate goal of winning, championships (whether its fair or not) often enter the discussion as a way to help judge a player. But its no longer a stats vs rings argument between Brady and Manning...because both have racked up a pretty darn good combination of both.

There are times when I watch Peyton Manning and there is no doubt in my mind that hes the greatest of all time. There are other times when I watch Brady and I cant help but think hes the best Ive ever watched. Both are the perfect fit for what their individual teams are all about, and theres no way this debate will ever be truly resolved.

so what i heard was Manning>Brady, :manning: :manning: :manning: :manning: :manning: :manning:

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TB has had some amazing seasons, as is evidenced by his records (50 TD's in '07, last season's insane 9:1 TD:INT ratio) that may never be broken. Can't take that away from him.

Its the season after season consistency where PM has him beat. TB has had some stellar defenses, ours haven't been so hot. Peyton has eleven 4,000 yard seasons, Tom has three.

that why PM > TB for me.

Peyton's only SB win was due to his team's defense throughout the entire playoff run (except for the 1st half against the Patriots).

Peyton's stats during the Colts' SB run: 3 TDs, 7 INTs.

That's not good. At all.

Etc., etc., etc.

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Peyton's only SB win was due to his team's defense throughout the entire playoff run (except for the 1st half against the Patriots).

We can all sit there and say that Peyton's only championship came because of his defense...but thats the same argument that Colts fans have been using against Brady all this time too. I think whats has become so interesting about this 'debate' over the last few seasons is how once Brady lost that 'championship' defense, he started consistently putting up 'Peyton-like' numbers. Regardless of whether or not either side wants to admint it, its truly become a more closer debate than ever now that they both have statistical records, multiple MVP's, record winning streaks, and rings.

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We can all sit there and say that Peyton's only championship came because of his defense...but thats the same argument that Colts fans have been using against Brady all this time too. I think whats has become so interesting about this 'debate' over the last few seasons is how once Brady lost that 'championship' defense, he started consistently putting up 'Peyton-like' numbers. Regardless of whether or not either side wants to admint it, its truly become a more closer debate than ever now that they both have statistical records, multiple MVP's, record winning streaks, and rings.

Oh, I know, I was just tossing in the usual arguments.

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Have to assume that JJ has not discovered the new forum or we would have a dissertation on the subject of why TB is better.

Correct. Peytongirl just called me to tell me the forum was up. I logged on to coltsdirect today but obviously didn't figure out the new forum was up LOL. Even missed her message.

Good thing she called me or I might not have figured it out:)

Now as to this TB PM thing. Oh yeah.

Actually I've proclaimed often PM is the better but sometimes go back and forth..thats how close it is.

However something struck me just now. TB might be better when he has something to work with whereas PM is better when he has nothing to work with.

But with a good team around PM and a good team around TB I think TB is better and thats because as I've always proclaimed..PM should not call the plays and strategy. pro football is too complex and you need a good coach on the sidelines calling the game and ADJUSTING!

Hey we got a forum!!!!!!!! WTG Peytongirl and Maureen!!!!!!!!

Toast them a champagne folks!

Yours truly -JJ- (had to add the hyphens to get past the 3 character requirement)

And Dynasty 13 beat me here first...sad sad sad sad ;)

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... :blah: TB vs PM stuff ...

Hey we got a forum!!!!!!!! WTG Peytongirl and Maureen!!!!!!!!

Toast them a champagne folks!

Yours truly -JJ- (had to add the hyphens to get past the 3 character requirement)

And Dynasty 13 beat me here first...sad sad sad sad ;)

:cheers::thanks: and yep, I cannot believe D13 beat you here. Bad boy. :rant:haha

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But it is such a nice pic...as much as I don't think a lot of his looks (yeah I am weird, I know)...he looks better with short hair like that. Ponytail, yuk. :barf:

what tom needs to realize is guys under twenty five can get away with long hair. too many years later & it is like putting lipstick on a pig

the fact that he is still growing it out screams that his girlfriend is making him do it

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Peyton's only SB win was due to his team's defense throughout the entire playoff run (except for the 1st half against the Patriots).

Peyton's stats during the Colts' SB run: 3 TDs, 7 INTs.

That's not good. At all.

Etc., etc., etc.

notice i never mentioned the '06 playoff run. the D turned it on for a push to the championship. what were their stats that regular season? lol

a flash of brilliance over many seasons doesn't make it a stellar D. also, i didn't even mention PM's stats during that run.

plays were made when they needed to be made, things fell into place, and it was ugly but we got one. don't take it away from us.

Brady is dope. I would still take PM. you think differently. lets all look at this cat: :cat:

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what tom needs to realize is guys under twenty five can get away with long hair. too many years later & it is like putting lipstick on a pig

the fact that he is still growing it out screams that his girlfriend is making him do it

He's prepping for the great comb-over...

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We can all sit there and say that Peyton's only championship came because of his defense...but thats the same argument that Colts fans have been using against Brady all this time too. I think whats has become so interesting about this 'debate' over the last few seasons is how once Brady lost that 'championship' defense, he started consistently putting up 'Peyton-like' numbers. Regardless of whether or not either side wants to admint it, its truly become a more closer debate than ever now that they both have statistical records, multiple MVP's, record winning streaks, and rings.

Really... and Brady had no help from his defense. I love these kind of arguments... In 03' and 04' (both years) your defense was in the top 7 for rush defense and top 10 in total defense. In 01' Brady was bailed out, by first the refs in the tuck rule game, and that was clearly a fumble, and then in the very next game, Bledsoe had to bail him out, and beat a team with a poor offense in Kordell Stewart. Then in that SB, who stopped the (by far) the best offense in the NFL... the Pats defense. Now, Manning had one of the best offenses in the NFL with him, Reggie, Marvin, and Edge, but our defense was easily one of the worst in the NFL. Our defense wasn't that great in our SB year, 30th in rush defense, mid teens in total yards, and 2nd in pass defense. Now Manning had a mediocre playoffs, but without him they wouldn't have made it past the Ravens, who had one of the best defenses in the NFL that year, and Steve McNair at the helm. Then suddenly, Tedy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, Mike Vrabel, Richard Seymour gone over the past several years, and what has happened in the last 3 years... NOTHING. The year Brady had this year, is like Manning's career (obviously not if you go by stats), he had a great great regular season, but his defense lets him down. Without Brady, the team is 11-5, and without Manning the team is probably a 3 win team. How do I know this, we all saw the Curtis Painter game in Week 16 of the 09 season, he came in and cost us the game; and we've all seen the preseason with him... i've only seen 1 good preseason game from him and that was against the Bills in the 3rd week this past year. The Colts need Manning, and the Patriots need Belicheck, and that's a reason why Manning's better than Brady. Also, going by your judgment, Manning is the better quarterback:

Stats: Manning

MVPs: Manning 4 MVPs, Brady 2 MVPs

Record Winning Streaks: 23 straight games... 2 seasons where they won the first 14 games... 10 straight years with 4000+ yards, never missed an NFL snap... and the list goes on and on

SB: Brady 3, Manning 1

This may be a little irrelevant, but Brady said that Manning is the greatest of all time, and 40% of the US think that Manning is the QB in the game today. Face it, he's the best in the league right now. A better argument is Manning vs Montana.

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Really... and Brady had no help from his defense. I love these kind of arguments... In 03' and 04' (both years) your defense was in the top 7 for rush defense and top 10 in total defense. In 01' Brady was bailed out, by first the refs in the tuck rule game, and that was clearly a fumble, and then in the very next game, Bledsoe had to bail him out, and beat a team with a poor offense in Kordell Stewart. Then in that SB, who stopped the (by far) the best offense in the NFL... the Pats defense. Now, Manning had one of the best offenses in the NFL with him, Reggie, Marvin, and Edge, but our defense was easily one of the worst in the NFL. Our defense wasn't that great in our SB year, 30th in rush defense, mid teens in total yards, and 2nd in pass defense. Now Manning had a mediocre playoffs, but without him they wouldn't have made it past the Ravens, who had one of the best defenses in the NFL that year, and Steve McNair at the helm. Then suddenly, Tedy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, Mike Vrabel, Richard Seymour gone over the past several years, and what has happened in the last 3 years... NOTHING. The year Brady had this year, is like Manning's career (obviously not if you go by stats), he had a great great regular season, but his defense lets him down. Without Brady, the team is 11-5, and without Manning the team is probably a 3 win team. How do I know this, we all saw the Curtis Painter game in Week 16 of the 09 season, he came in and cost us the game; and we've all seen the preseason with him... i've only seen 1 good preseason game from him and that was against the Bills in the 3rd week this past year. The Colts need Manning, and the Patriots need Belicheck, and that's a reason why Manning's better than Brady. Also, going by your judgment, Manning is the better quarterback:

Stats: Manning

MVPs: Manning 4 MVPs, Brady 2 MVPs

Record Winning Streaks: 23 straight games... 2 seasons where they won the first 14 games... 10 straight years with 4000+ yards, never missed an NFL snap... and the list goes on and on

SB: Brady 3, Manning 1

This may be a little irrelevant, but Brady said that Manning is the greatest of all time, and 40% of the US think that Manning is the QB in the game today. Face it, he's the best in the league right now. A better argument is Manning vs Montana.

I think you misunderstood my point completely. But thanks for bringing us back to the 'same old' Brady vs Manning debate that I thought we were all finally past. What I was trying to say is that when neither team has a 'championship caliber' defense, both Peyton and Brady have put up rediculous numbers. In '03 and '04, Brady had a darn good defense, which obviously helped win Superbowls. Nobody will deny that, and nobody will ever try. And even though you threw out stats about how poor the Colts defense was in their championship year, everyone who paid attention realized how well they played in the playoffs. In fact, I think they were even the #1 ranked defense in the playoffs that year. So all we've actually done is make the point that neither guy can win a championship without a good defense. And I think through careful analysis and experimentation, youll realize that that is often the case with championship teams.

The argument that Ive never quite understood is the one that says 'without Brady the Patriots are an 11 win team, without Peyton the Colts are a 3 win team'. That point comes out everytime someone runs out of actual points that can be proven, and someone needs some way to discredit Brady by calling him a system quarterback while Peyton Manning makes the world go round. Listen...all that argument proves is that Matt Cassell is better than Curtis Painter...and you know what? We all knew that anyway. Without Brady the Patriots won 7 fewer games than the year previous and they missed the playoffs. Not quite the point you want to be clinging to when trying to prove that Brady isnt as important to the Patriots as Peyton is to the Colts. And the honest to god fact is that nobody knows how the Colts would do should Peyton go down. Saying they are a 3-win team is pure speculation....no more, no less. If they had someone else under center, they would completely change the way they play...from the way they utilize their personnel to the general gameplan to the way the game is coached. Who knows...maybe the Colts (should they have one of the easiest schedules in NFL history as the Patriots did the year Brady was absent) find a way to win 4 games without Peyton instead of the 3 that everyone believes. With the talent on that team, it wouldnt surprise me one bit. Well guess what? Thats 7 less than Peyton won this year....exactly the same fewer that the Patriots won without Brady.

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