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No he didn't.

Silly me... I forgot you know it all, heheh. I believe he talked in mid May about being in rehab for for his physical problems such as his hip/back issues, and still had a way to go with that. Plus his on going drug issues which will take much more than a month, or two to deal with. Trust me. I'm sure he is still working on both as we speek, or type. I'd be currious to see what exactly you think he did afterward, but I was notified that my cousin has passed from cancer... and I will be away for the foreseeable future.

Stay safe everyone, and hug your loved ones.

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The suspension is relevant.....the fine is irrelevant other than its increased worth to the NFL. This is like you and I being fined $10 dollars. 

 

Please dont read into my words that I think he should have been fined more.

 

It's not the size of the amount.    We all realize a million dollar fine is nothing to a billionaire.

 

But,  it's the fact that this could be the largest fine any NFL owner has ever received.    That will put Irsay at the top of a list that no owner wants to be at the top of.....   if you follow my meaning?!

 

In essence,  it's a public shaming.    And Irsay not being allowed to be at Colts camp or many of the Colts home games will drive him crazy!    He loves being there.    And not being allowed will hurt him personally.

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Silly me... I forgot you know it all, heheh. I believe he talked in mid May about being in rehab for for his physical problems such as his hip/back issues, and still had a way to go with that. Plus his on going drug issues which will take much more than a month, or two to deal with. Trust me. I'm sure he is still working on both as we speek, or type. I'd be currious to see what exactly you think he did afterward, but I was notified that my cousin has passed from cancer... and I will be away for the foreseeable future.

Stay safe everyone, and hug your loved ones.

He is still tweeting. Trust me when i tell you, you can't Tweet from inpatient rehab facility.

Sorry to hear about your cousin

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Its a blatant attempt by the NFL to get on its high horse and market its product....to those people who are duped by such things. 

As opposed to what?

 

Treating drunk driving, drug abuse, PED use, dog-fighting, strip club shootings and domestic violence with a slap on the wrist?

 

You're implying that the NFL....now grossing in excess of 10B a year....should just let everything slide and instead tilt their marketing toward recklessly irresponsible fools and uneducated thugs who engage in all of the above, and who often don't have two nickels to rub together.

 

So what Madison Avenue marketing firm do you work for? :lol:

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All businesses that deal with the public will take measures like this. It is in the interest of protecting their integrity. 

 

PS: a "non crime" doesn't put the general public at great risk. 50 years ago, drunk driving was treated with an almost comedic grin. Until the body count became so high that society demanded harsh punishment to deter such careless, selfish behavior. 

Testing for PED's would be protecting integrity. 

 

Shouting "I'm more moral than thou" over nothing, is a fake way to do it. 

 

He broke the law....but did nothing wrong.  He could have ran a stop sign at 2:30 am in the middle of a deserted mall parking lot, sober, and it would have equated to the same thing.

 

Driving stoned is not proof you are dangerous.  Hitting a tree is proof you are dangerous.  I understand the purpose of the law....and I understand he broke that law....but he did nothing wrong. 

 

Yet he is being fined $1M so his peers can pretend they have standards.

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He broke the law....but did nothing wrong.  He could have ran a stop sign at 2:30 am in the middle of a deserted mall parking lot, sober, and it would have equated to the same thing.

 

Driving stoned is not proof you are dangerous.  Hitting a tree is proof you are dangerous.  I understand the purpose of the law....and I understand he broke that law....but he did nothing wrong. 

 

Yet he is being fined $1M so his peers can pretend they have standards.

haha     :scratch:   :hmm:   What...?????     I am soooooooooooo confused.   Just WHAT exactly is Right about breaking the Law?

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As opposed to what?

 

Treating drunk driving, drug abuse, PED use, dog-fighting, strip club shootings and domestic violence with a slap on the wrist?

 

You're implying that the NFL....now grossing in excess of 10B a year....should just let everything slide and instead tilt their marketing toward recklessly irresponsible fools and uneducated thugs who engage in all of the above, and who often don't have two nickels to rub together.

 

So what Madison Avenue marketing firm do you work for? :lol:

 

Every transgression you mention is covered by the legal system, all sorted out in our country's courts. 

 

Its now the duty of every company and organization to establish their own piggyback punishment?  Bull.  Its high-horsedome run amuck for the purposes of trying to get hero worshipers to spend money on their sacred organizations. 

 

The NFL, like every company, should tilt their marketing towards product.  Stoned or juiced players affect product.  

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haha     :scratch:   :hmm:   What...?????     I am soooooooooooo confused.   Just WHAT exactly is Right about breaking the Law?

Yes....most people are confused.  Most people don't get it.

 

Stop signs, speed limits, laws about operating a vehicle while under the influence, are all designed to PREVENT CRASHES. 

 

Tell me, in the middle of a mall parking lot, at 2:30 am, would you drive your car in a straight line so it followed those nicely painted lines?    Would you stop at the stops signs in the parking lot if there are no cars within 500 feet?  Would you sit for 5 minutes at a stop light in that same scenario? 

 

How can you crash into something else if nothing else is there?

 

There are times when breaking the law is not the same thing as doing something wrong.

 

OTOH...Its ALWAYS wrong to hit a tree, even though you may have not broken a law.

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Yes....most people are confused.  Most people don't get it.

 

Stop signs, speed limits, laws about operating a vehicle while under the influence, are all designed to PREVENT CRASHES. 

 

Tell me, in the middle of a mall parking lot, at 2:30 am, would you drive your car in a straight line so it followed those nicely painted lines?    Would you stop at the stops signs in the parking lot if there are no cars within 500 feet?  Would you sit for 5 minutes at a stop light in that same scenario?

 

There are times when breaking the law is not the same thing as doing something wrong.

 

OTOH...Its ALWAYS wrong to hit a tree, even though you may have not broken a law.

FYI ~  I'm not REALLY confused.   haha  but that flew right over your head  :mindblow:

 

and I beg to differ with the bolded part....   But then again,   I am a law abiding citizen.   :)

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To be clear,  both media outlets are using the exact same source -- ESPN's Adam Shefter.

 

And he does NOT have a source inside the NFL executive offices that he's using.

 

He said he talked with various owners and other team execs and asked them for their opinion.

 

So, this could could be absolutely right.    But, it might be wrong.    I want to make that clear -- it might be wrong.

 

If I had to guess,  I'd say it's much more likely right than wrong.    But I don't think this is a done deal just yet.

 

Just want to make sure we're all on the same page on this one......

 

Wondering how you would have a Clue if it is a done deal? You saying you have sources?

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Every transgression you mention is covered by the legal system, all sorted out in our country's courts. 

 

Its now the duty of every company and organization to establish their own piggyback punishment?  Bull.  Its high-horsedome run amuck for the purposes of trying to get hero worshipers to spend money on their sacred organizations. 

 

The NFL, like every company, should tilt their marketing towards product.  Stoned or juiced players affect product.  

According to the collective bargaining agreement and NFL bylaws governing employee conduct?

 

The answer is YES....agreed to in writing, ahead of the stupidity committed by those involved. Players, coaches and owners alike.

 

The NFL is a business which has the right to set its standards however it wishes under these agreements....and if those standards include conduct detrimental to the league's image or integrity, and that bothers you....then all I can say is welcome to planet earth because that is what companies in a free market do.

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FYI ~  I'm not REALLY confused.   haha  but that flew right over your head   :mindblow:

 

and I beg to differ with the bolded part....   But then again,   I am a law abiding citizen.   :)

I understand...this is all in fun.

 

If you want to sit for five minutes at a stop light at a deserted intersection in the middle of the night, simply because it hasn't turned green yet....be my guest. :D

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According to the collective bargaining agreement and NFL bylaws governing employee conduct?

 

The answer is YES....agreed to in writing, ahead of the stupidity committed by those involved. Players, coaches and owners alike.

 

The NFL is a business which has the right to set its standards however it wishes under these agreements....and if those standards include conduct detrimental to the league's image or integrity, and that bothers you....then all I can say is welcome to planet earth because that is what companies in a free market do.

Then I guess my argument is the wrongness of companies that establish these standards.  Because what he did doesn't violate an image or integrity...if consumers would judge companies based on product and not morals. 

 

IMO, conduct detrimental to the league, FOR AN OWNER, would be him being too wacked out to run the team in a competitive fashion.  Competition between teams is what makes the product. 

 

Irsay has shown...on purpose....that there is competent leadership behind him, should he be in rehab often, or in a coma, god forbid. 

 

So they can punish Irsay, wrongly defining what he did as detrimental to the league, but let a crazy whack-job like Al Davis run his club into the ground and skew the competitiveness of the AFC West for years?

 

The NFL is free to be wrong about this if they want to.

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Wondering how you would have a Clue if it is a done deal? You saying you have sources?

 

What I'm saying is that Shefter is NOT reporting that it's a done deal.

 

For all I know Goddell has decided.   I don't know.    And I've not suggested otherwise.

 

But what I've been attempting to make clear is that Shefter didn't offer his own opinion.   He offered the judgement of a number of owners and front office execs.    Their view on what could happen.   That's it.

 

Hope that clarifies....

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Testing for PED's would be protecting integrity. 

 

Shouting "I'm more moral than thou" over nothing, is a fake way to do it. 

 

He broke the law....but did nothing wrong.  He could have ran a stop sign at 2:30 am in the middle of a deserted mall parking lot, sober, and it would have equated to the same thing.

 

Driving stoned is not proof you are dangerous.  Hitting a tree is proof you are dangerous.  I understand the purpose of the law....and I understand he broke that law....but he did nothing wrong. 

 

Yet he is being fined $1M so his peers can pretend they have standards.

 

He's being fined because everyone who is involved in the NFL is subject to the same treatment.   An owner, a general manager, a coach or a player, or anything else.    If you do something wrong,  something illegal,  you're going to receive some sort of punishment.

 

And since Goddell has made it clear that the higher up you are the more you are accountable then Irsay has to be punished.  Period.    The players are furious he hasn't been punished already -- but that's another story.   

 

I'm not sure why you're having trouble accepting this.    As you noted,  the NFL is now a $10B a year industry.   When one of the 32 owners breaks the law,  there has to be a punishment.   He's an owner.   He must be held to account.

 

It'd be a much bigger deal if Goddell did nothing....

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Then I guess my argument is the wrongness of companies that establish these standards.  Because what he did doesn't violate an image or integrity...if consumers would judge companies based on product and not morals. 

 

IMO, conduct detrimental to the league, FOR AN OWNER, would be him being too wacked out to run the team in a competitive fashion.  Competition between teams is what makes the product. 

 

Irsay has shown...on purpose....that there is competent leadership behind him, should he be in rehab often, or in a coma, god forbid. 

 

So they can punish Irsay, wrongly defining what he did as detrimental to the league, but let a crazy whack-job like Al Davis run his club into the ground and skew the competitiveness of the AFC West for years?

 

The NFL is free to be wrong about this if they want to.

It's fine to have a differing opinion and not shaping your fan interest based on personal conduct standards you disagree with.

 

But those standards have been agreed to by the union membership and non-union employees of the NFL....ahead of the infractions being dealt with. These are not a one-sided edicts handed down by Roger Goodell.

 

These are options stipulated in legal, two-party agreements or bylaws the owners should be fully aware of. And if there is any grey area...then the two sides lawyer up, engage, and hash it out.

 

Unfortunately, Jimmy Irsay's situation is not the first of its kind....not by a long shot....and he's gonna get slapped to some degree.

 

I just hope it doesn't involve us losing any draft picks.

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Then I guess my argument is the wrongness of companies that establish these standards.  Because what he did doesn't violate an image or integrity...if consumers would judge companies based on product and not morals. 

 

IMO, conduct detrimental to the league, FOR AN OWNER, would be him being too wacked out to run the team in a competitive fashion.  Competition between teams is what makes the product. 

 

Irsay has shown...on purpose....that there is competent leadership behind him, should he be in rehab often, or in a coma, god forbid. 

 

So they can punish Irsay, wrongly defining what he did as detrimental to the league, but let a crazy whack-job like Al Davis run his club into the ground and skew the competitiveness of the AFC West for years?

 

The NFL is free to be wrong about this if they want to.

 

This is your opinion. You should probably bracket it as such.

 

Because the way you're coming across is as if personal conduct doesn't matter, and it does. Maybe it doesn't matter to you, so long as the courts figure it out, and that's fine. You're certainly entitled to that viewpoint, but most people disagree with you.

 

And businesses make these decisions based on their bottom line. A company that holds its employees responsible for their actions -- even when the law doesn't call for penalty -- does so because consumers and advertisers care about this kind of stuff. Again, you might not care, but again, you're not representative of the majority.

 

I personally think the public is overly critical of people's personal lives, sometimes to a degree that I find very irritating. Often, there's a loud and vocal minority that seems to set the tone for this kind of discussion, and that's too bad. People tend to make their minds up based on first reactions, and the instant gratification of the Internet and social media makes it worse. On top of that, people don't like being wrong, so once they make their minds up, they don't consider the other side of the story, or refuse to admit when they've overreacted. You have comments sections across the Internet full of people making judgments of other people in situations that they don't really understand, all hoping to be heard and validated, not looking to have an honest discussion about a complicated manner.

 

I say all that just to acknowledge that I don't think Jim Irsay is scum of the earth that needs to be locked in prison for the rest of his life. And I think it's sad that people choose to look up to public figures as role models. But I do think his actions have an impact on the business he's involved in, that he's part owner of, and that he represents to the general public. As such, that business is right to expect him to be an upstanding citizen. Fair or not, as a public figure, his personal life is going to be subject to scrutiny at times, and his transgressions -- legal or moral -- will be exhibited to the public. His arrest has a financial impact on the rest of the NFL. You're plain wrong if you think it doesn't. 

 

Now, whether Irsay's arrest should be as big of a deal to consumers and advertisers, thus affecting the NFL the way it does, that's another topic. But it absolutely does have an impact. And as an entity that's in business to make money, it makes sense that the NFL would take a stand in this regard. Not only do they want to send a message to their business partners and consumers that they don't condone this kind of conduct, but they want to dissuade anyone else from this kind of conduct in the future.

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Did the saints owner get a million dollar fine and suspended for 8 weeks? i know about the coaches and there penalties 

Two different things. Irsay was personal and the Saints was a team related problem. Benson had a $500,000. fine and lost a draft pick. Apples and oranges.

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Did the saints owner get a million dollar fine and suspended for 8 weeks? i know about the coaches and there penalties 

 

I wanted to add this to CrazyColts good post....

 

The owner's team was hit with severe penalties.   But the owner himself wasn't.   In fact he had gone out of his way to assure Goodell that his team was clean.    That he had admonished his team to knock off any bad behavior.   And the coaches assured him they would.     And when they didn't,  Goodell dropped the hammer on the coaches and GM, who was suspended for a half-season.

 

Benson himself was cleared of wrong doing, but his team suffered badly.

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Then I guess my argument is the wrongness of companies that establish these standards.  Because what he did doesn't violate an image or integrity...if consumers would judge companies based on product and not morals. 

 

IMO, conduct detrimental to the league, FOR AN OWNER, would be him being too wacked out to run the team in a competitive fashion.  Competition between teams is what makes the product. 

 

Irsay has shown...on purpose....that there is competent leadership behind him, should he be in rehab often, or in a coma, god forbid. 

 

So they can punish Irsay, wrongly defining what he did as detrimental to the league, but let a crazy whack-job like Al Davis run his club into the ground and skew the competitiveness of the AFC West for years?

 

The NFL is free to be wrong about this if they want to.

So when did a live Al Davis get arrested for doing something detrimental to the NFL?  He may have lost a bit of reality but nothing he did was criminal. For you to compare Irsay to Davis is way off base. Irsay showing he has competent leadership behind him has zero to do with getting arrested.

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To be clear, both media outlets are using the exact same source -- ESPN's Adam Shefter.

And he does NOT have a source inside the NFL executive offices that he's using.

He said he talked with various owners and other team execs and asked them for their opinion.

So, this could could be absolutely right. But, it might be wrong. I want to make that clear -- it might be wrong.

If I had to guess, I'd say it's much more likely right than wrong. But I don't think this is a done deal just yet.

Just want to make sure we're all on the same page on this one......

Thanks NCF. Glad you cleared that up.

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Yes....most people are confused.  Most people don't get it.

 

Stop signs, speed limits, laws about operating a vehicle while under the influence, are all designed to PREVENT CRASHES. 

 

Tell me, in the middle of a mall parking lot, at 2:30 am, would you drive your car in a straight line so it followed those nicely painted lines?    Would you stop at the stops signs in the parking lot if there are no cars within 500 feet?  Would you sit for 5 minutes at a stop light in that same scenario? 

 

How can you crash into something else if nothing else is there?

 

There are times when breaking the law is not the same thing as doing something wrong.

 

OTOH...Its ALWAYS wrong to hit a tree, even though you may have not broken a law.

So you've drawn a personal distinction between choosing to break traffic laws and being incapable of controlling ones vehicle due to inebriation? 

 

Seriously.....I'm not following the logic you're promoting AT ALL. 

 

Choosing to run a stop sign is dangerous, and nobody will argue that. Being incable of realizing there was a stop sign....far more dangerous. The loss of ones faculties is the epitome of danger. 

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Tell me, in the middle of a mall parking lot, at 2:30 am, would you drive your car in a straight line so it followed those nicely painted lines?    Would you stop at the stops signs in the parking lot if there are no cars within 500 feet?  Would you sit for 5 minutes at a stop light in that same scenario? 

 

 

 

I'm feeling like such a square because my answer is yes :)

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So when did a live Al Davis get arrested for doing something detrimental to the NFL?  He may have lost a bit of reality but nothing he did was criminal. For you to compare Irsay to Davis is way off base. Irsay showing he has competent leadership behind him has zero to do with getting arrested.

I believe the NFL policy is "conduct detrimental to the league."  If it was about being a criminal, it would clearly state it.  If it was about getting arrested, it would clearly state it.   Its really not that difficult to have " being found guilty of misdemeanors being subject to suspension or fine" written into the policy.

 

Conduct detremental to the league does not mean personal legal problems.  Or it shouldn't, IMO.  The league was established to provide fair competition in an entertaining way.  Personal legal problems and isolated personal conduct, even if illegal, don't sniff that standard, IMO.

 

Being daffy-duck in charge of your teams draft choices for a decade does.

 

If you are a player who uses drugs, you have no way of providing a substitute to do your job (including showing up for off season team activities sober) (the TEAM replaces the player). In that case, the PLAYER is committing conduct determental to the league.  Irsay showed that HE can provide a substitute to do his job, when he is incapacitated.  

 

Different roles in the organization should beget different punishment under the terms of the policy, if any at all.

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I'm feeling like such a square because my answer is yes :)

 Which is why people like me speed around you, not even bothering to care if there is a double yellow line on our left side.....

 

Being astute enough to realize that its impossible to cause harm to anyone. :D

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So you've drawn a personal distinction between choosing to break traffic laws and being incapable of controlling ones vehicle due to inebriation? 

 

Seriously.....I'm not following the logic you're promoting AT ALL. 

 

Choosing to run a stop sign is dangerous, and nobody will argue that. Being incable of realizing there was a stop sign....far more dangerous. The loss of ones faculties is the epitome of danger. 

 

I'm not arguing the merits DWI laws, or that the cops have the duty to arrest people, and that they should be convicted for beaking them. 

 

But people are arguing that because Irsay drove a car while stoned, the NFL should punish him.  Should the NFL punish an owner or player for commiting misdemeanors of ANY kind, or just certain kinds?  Which ones?

 

The ones that endanger others?  A sober person endangers others.  And the sober person who drives poorly enough to actually crash his car, and get a misdemeanor for it, endangers others more than, apparently given the facts of the situation, a stoned Irsay does.

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Testing for PED's would be protecting integrity.

Shouting "I'm more moral than thou" over nothing, is a fake way to do it.

He broke the law....but did nothing wrong. He could have ran a stop sign at 2:30 am in the middle of a deserted mall parking lot, sober, and it would have equated to the same thing.

Driving stoned is not proof you are dangerous. Hitting a tree is proof you are dangerous. I understand the purpose of the law....and I understand he broke that law....but he did nothing wrong.

Yet he is being fined $1M so his peers can pretend they have standards.

He did nothing wrong?

Seriously?

Wow.

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Which is why people like me speed around you, not even bothering to care if there is a double yellow line on our left side.....

Being astute enough to realize that its impossible to cause harm to anyone. :D

And it's irresponsible actions like yours that leads to tragic accidents. Happens ALL the time.
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And it's irresponsible actions like yours that leads to tragic accidents. Happens ALL the time.

haha  I often view you as my nemesis,  but when I do agree with you I can at least admit it.  And I totally agree with you here.

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I personally think the public is overly critical of people's personal lives, sometimes to a degree that I find very irritating. Often, there's a loud and vocal minority that seems to set the tone for this kind of discussion, and that's too bad. People tend to make their minds up based on first reactions, and the instant gratification of the Internet and social media makes it worse. On top of that, people don't like being wrong, so once they make their minds up, they don't consider the other side of the story, or refuse to admit when they've overreacted. You have comments sections across the Internet full of people making judgments of other people in situations that they don't really understand, all hoping to be heard and validated, not looking to have an honest discussion about a complicated manner.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.

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And it's irresponsible actions like yours that leads to tragic accidents. Happens ALL the time.

 

Happens NEVER.  Simply crossing two yellow stripes of paint causes nothing. 

 

Its being unware of the situation, meaning...doing it at the wrong time, that causes the crash. ALWAYS.

 

I suppose most people can't figure out when that is, ...which is why there is the law. 

 

Even stoned off his rocker, Irsay had good enough judgment to go 10mph.  Still a better driver in that situation than many sober people are in other situations.  Many of which go unpunished by employers.

 

Heck....I know people that can hardly even SEE at night.  I'd trust a .15 drunk person over a half-blind person many times.

 

I'm all for establishing Mothers-Against-Drivers-Who-Need-Their-Prescription-Glasses-Updated.

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I think his issues made Indy lose the Superbowl bid. I thought we'd at least beat out New Orleans and then lose the Minnesota's new stadium.

Indy never had a shot at the superbowl going against Minnesota or new Orleans

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Just wow at some of the posts going on, I know it's a topic that's going to polarise people but I've never before seen positions that are patently just wrong, not even it's my opinion it differs, actual any rational person knows it's wrong being defended.

Kudos to those trying to bring some sanity back to the topic.

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I'm not arguing the merits DWI laws, or that the cops have the duty to arrest people, and that they should be convicted for beaking them.

But people are arguing that because Irsay drove a car while stoned, the NFL should punish him. Should the NFL punish an owner or player for commiting misdemeanors of ANY kind, or just certain kinds? Which ones?

The ones that endanger others? A sober person endangers others. And the sober person who drives poorly enough to actually crash his car, and get a misdemeanor for it, endangers others more than, apparently given the facts of the situation, a stoned Irsay does.

Doing things like this is how innocent people get killed. Your opinion in this matter is that of a dumb person.

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And businesses make these decisions based on their bottom line. A company that holds its employees responsible for their actions -- even when the law doesn't call for penalty -- does so because consumers and advertisers care about this kind of stuff. Again, you might not care, but again, you're not representative of the majority.

 

Now, whether Irsay's arrest should be as big of a deal to consumers and advertisers, thus affecting the NFL the way it does, that's another topic. But it absolutely does have an impact. And as an entity that's in business to make money, it makes sense that the NFL would take a stand in this regard. Not only do they want to send a message to their business partners and consumers that they don't condone this kind of conduct, but they want to dissuade anyone else from this kind of conduct in the future.

So lets take this assumption and have it manifest into actions.

 

You think that the NFL thinks that the fans in Indy would stop buying tickets, stop buying jerseys, stop rooting for Luck, Wayne, and Mathis, in any appreciable way, if the NFL fails to punish Irsay for commiting 2 misdemeanor DWI's?

 

I think its more likely, that the NFL and advertisers are trying to INCREASE sales by trying to sell the public that they are upstanding organizations by using whatever opportunity they can to get on their soap box.

 

To convince me that they are as upstanding as they want us to think...the NFL, advertisers, and the sports media should demand the clause of the NFLPA contract be enforced as it relates to PED testing, not browbeat owners over their personal transgressions.

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Doing things like this is how innocent people get killed. Your opinion in this matter is that of a dumb person.

Doing things like what?  I contend that crashing into things gets innocent people killed.  That's not really a matter of opinion.

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    • Cap space - about 50M (spotrac)   Resign: Rhodes - 2/17M   Cap Space - 42M   FA:   Carl Lawson - 4y/40M Romeo Okwara - 4y/40M I trust Ballard but he doesnt have the best track record for drafting edge rushers so lets double down in FA on two that we know can get five or more sacks Jonnu Smith - 4y/32M Joe Haeg - 1y/1.5M   Cap Space - 12.5M   Draft: Miami got desperate and gave us both of their twos for our first  Most picks may go earlier but they could fall   R2P4 - Liam Eichenberg OT R2P18 - Greg Newsome CB R2P22 - Tutu Atwell WR (Let TY walk but replaced him with his reincarnation)  R4P22 - Richard Lecounte S  R5P21 - Monty Rice LB R6P21 - Khyris Tonga DT R7P21 - Tristan Hoge G/C   Roster:   QB - Wentz, Eason RB - Taylor, Hines, Wilkens WR - Pittman, Pascal, Patmon WR - Atwell, Campbell, Dulin TE - Smith, Doyle, MAC LT - Eichenberg, Haeg LG - Nelson C - Kelly, Hoge RG - Glowinski, Pinter RT - Smith   DE- Okwara, Turray 3T - Buckner, Lewis NT - Stewart, Tonga DE - Lawson, Banogu WLB - Leonard, Glasgow  MLB - Okereke, Speed, Rice SLB - Franklin, Adams CB - Rhodes, Ya-sin, Rodgers FS - Blackman, Odum SS - Willis, Lecounte CB - Moore, Newsome   K - Blankenship P - Sanchez LS - Rhodes 
    • You are forgetting that Brady had a pretty damn good team around him and wouldn't have done anything without that team. 
    • 1.       Trevor Lawrence      Clemson              QB          6'6"        220 2.       Penei Sewell              Oregon OT          6'5"        330 3.       Ja'Marr Chase            LSU        WR         6'1"        200 4.       Zach Wilson                BYU        QB          6'3''        210 5.       Justin Fields Ohio State           QB          6'3''        228 6.       Patrick Surtain II       Alabama              CB           6'1"        203 7.       Jaylen Waddle           Alabama              WRS       5'10"      182 8.       Caleb Farley               Virginia Tech      CB           6'2"        197 9.       Kyle Pitts      Florida  TE           6'5"        239 10.   Micah Parsons           Penn State          ILB          6'2"        245 11.   DeVonta Smith          Alabama              WR         6'1"        175 12.   Trey Lance  North Dakota State         QB          6'3"        226 13.   Jaycee Horn                South Carolina   CB           6'0"        200 14.   Rashawn Slater         Northwestern   OT          6'4''        314 15.   Wyatt Davis Ohio State           OG         6'4"        315 16.   Gregory Rousseau   Miami (FL)           EDGE     6'5"        260 17.   Trevon Moehrig        TCU        S              6'2"        202 18.   Christian Darrisaw    Virginia Tech      OT          6'5''        314 19.   Christian Barmore    Alabama              DL3T      6'5"        310 20.   Rondale Moore         Purdue WRS       5'9"        175 21.   Kwity Paye  Michigan              EDGE     6'4"        277 22.   Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Notre Dame       OLB        6'1''        216 23.   Asante Samuel Jr.     Florida State       CB           5'10"      180 24.   Samuel Cosmi            Texas    OT          6'7"        309 25.   Rashod Bateman      Minnesota          WR         6'1"        210 26.   Travis Etienne            Clemson              RB           5'10"      210 27.   Mac Jones   Alabama              QB          6'2''        214 28.   Daviyon Nixon           Iowa      DL3T      6'3"        305 29.   Richie Grant               UCF        S              6'0"        194 30.   Azeez Ojulari              Georgia EDGE     6'3"        240 31.   Nick Bolton Missouri               ILB          6'0"        235 32.   Alijah Vera-Tucker   USC        OG         6'4"        315 33.   Najee Harris               Alabama              RB           6'2"        230 34.   Kyle Trask    Florida  QB          6'4''        240 35.   Terrace Marshall      LSU        WR         6'3"        200 36.   Zaven Collins              Tulsa      OLB        6'4''        260 37.   Joseph Ossai              Texas    EDGE     6'4"        253 38.   Alex Leatherwood   Alabama              OT          6'6"        312 39.   Trey Smith  Tennessee          OG         6'6"        330 40.   Creed Humphrey     Oklahoma           OC          6'5"        320 41.   Tyson Campbell        Georgia CB           6'2"        180 42.   Jay Tufele    USC        DL3T      6'2"        310 43.   Andre Cisco Syracuse              S              6'0"        203 44.   Jalen Mayfield           Michigan              OT          6'5"        320 45.   Marvin Wilson           Florida State       DL1T      6'3"        319 46.   Dylan Moses              Alabama              OLB        6'3"        235 47.   Pat Freiermuth         Penn State          TE           6'5"        250 48.   Jayson Oweh             Penn State          EDGE     6'5"        257 49.   Greg Newsome II     Northwestern   CB           6'1"        190 50.   Tylan Wallace             Oklahoma State WR         6'0"        185 51.   Carlos Basham Jr.     Wake Forest       DL5T      6'5"        285 52.   Jabril Cox     LSU        OLB        6'2"        233 53.   Tyler Shelvin              LSU        DL1T      6'3"        346 54.   Kadarius Toney         Florida  WR         5'11''      190 55.   Elijah Molden            Washington        CB           5'10"      186 56.   Elijah Moore              Ole Miss               WRS       5'9"        184 57.   Ben Cleveland           Georgia OG         6'6"        335 58.   Jevon Holland            Oregon S              6'1"        196 59.   Landon Dickerson    Alabama              OC          6'6''        325 60.   Jaylen Twyman         Pitt         DL5T      6'2"        290 61.   Shakur Brown            Michigan State  CB           5'11"      190 62.   Alim McNeill               North Carolina State       DL3T      6'2"        320 63.   Hamsah Nasirildeen Florida State       S              6'4"        215 64.   Jaelan Phillips             Miami (FL)           EDGE     6'5"        255 65.   Shaun Wade               Ohio State           CB           6'1"        194 66.   Kenneth Gainwell    Memphis             RB           5'11"      191 67.   Patrick Jones II          Pitt         EDGE     6'5"        260 68.   Amon-Ra St. Brown USC        WR         6'1"        195 69.   Cameron McGrone Michigan              OLB        6'1''        232 70.   Darius Stills West Virginia      DL5T      6'1"        285 71.   Jackson Carman        Clemson              OT          6'5"        335 72.   Joe Tryon     Washington        EDGE     6'5"        262 73.   Ifeatu Melifonwu     Syracuse              CB           6'3"        212 74.   Talanoa Hufanga      USC        S              6'1"        215 75.   Chazz Surratt              North Carolina   OLB        6'3"        230 76.   Josh Myers Ohio State           OC          6'5''        312 77.   Liam Eichenberg       Notre Dame       OT          6'6"        302 78.   Trey Sermon              Ohio State           RB           6'0"        224 79.   Javonte Williams       North Carolina   RB           5'10"      220 80.   Marlon Williams        UCF        WR         6'0"        215 81.   Michael Carter          North Carolina   RBC        5'9"        195 82.   Paris Ford    Pittsburgh           S              6'0"        190 83.   Levi Onwuzurike      Washington        DL3T      6'3"        293 84.   Dillon Radunz            North Dakota State         OT          6'6''        299 85.   Brevin Jordan            Miami (FL)           TE           6'3"        245 86.   Deonte Brown           Alabama              OG         6'4''        350 87.   Walker Little               Stanford              OT          6'7"        313 88.   Hamilcar Rashed      Oregon State     EDGE     6'3''        248 89.   Chuba Hubbard         Oklahoma State RB           6'1"        207 90.   D'Wayne Eskridge    W Michigan        WRS       5'9"        188 91.   Quincy Roche            Miami (FL)           EDGE     6'4"        235 92.   Anthony Schwartz   Auburn WR         6'0"        197 93.   Jamie Newman         Georgia QB          6'4"        230 94.   Jaelon Darden           North Texas        WRS       5'9"        174 95.   Dyami Brown             North Carolina   WR         6'1"        185 96.   Teven Jenkins            Oklahoma State OT          6'6''        320 97.   Seth Williams             Auburn WR         6'2"        224 98.   Tutu Atwell Louisville              WRS       5'9"        156 99.   Baron Browning        Ohio State           ILB          6'3"        248 100.           Ronnie Perkins  Oklahoma           OLB        6'4'         230 101.           Dazz Newsome North Carolina   WR         5'11"      175 102.           Paulson Adebo  Stanford              CB           6'1"        190 103.           Richard LeCounte III        Georgia S              5'11"      190 104.           Damonte Coxie Memphis             WR         6'3''        197 105.           Aaron Robinson UCF        CB           5'11''      193 106.           Jaret Patterson Buffalo RB           5'9"        195 107.           Drake Jackson    Kentucky             OC          6'2''        292 108.           Sage Surratt        Wake Forest       WR         6'2"        215 109.           Dayo Odeyingbo              Vanderbilt           DL5T      6'5''        279 110.           Israel Mukuamu               South Carolina   CB           6'3"        205 111.           Hunter Long       Boston College  TE           6'5"        253 112.           Kenny Yeboah   Ole Miss               TE           6'4''        240 113.           Marlon Tuipulotu             USC        DL3T      6'1"        308 114.           Divine Deablo    Virginia Tech      S              6'3''        226 115.           Khalil Herbert    Virginia Tech      RBC        5'9"        205 116.           Rashad Weaver Pitt         EDGE     6'5"        270 117.           Eric Stokes          Georgia CB           6'1"        185 118.           Ar'Darius Washington    TCU        S              5'8"        175 119.           Aaron Banks       Notre Dame       OG         6'5"        330 120.           Pete Werner      Ohio State           ILB          6'3''        239 121.           Chris Rumph II   Duke     EDGE     6'3"        225 122.           Tony Poljan        Virginia TE           6'7"        265 123.           Trey Hill                Georgia OC          6'4"        330 124.           Cary Angeline    North Carolina State       TE           6'7"        250 125.           Ihmir Smith-Marsette    Iowa      WR         6'2"        175 126.           Kylin Hill               Mississippi State               RB           5'11"      215 127.           Charles Snowden             Virginia OLB        6'6"        232 128.           Caden Sterns     Texas    S              6'0"        210 129.           Rodarius Williams             Oklahoma State CB           6'0"        193 130.           Quinn Meinerz  UW-Whitewater              OC          6'3"        320 131.           Keith Taylor        Washington        CB           6'3"        191 132.           Elijah Mitchell    Louisiana             RB           5'11"      221 133.           Tedarrell Slaton Florida  DL1T      6'5"        358 134.           Pooka Williams  Kansas  RBC        5'10"      170 135.           Olaijah Griffin    USC        CB           6'0''        170 136.           Torrance Marable            Coastal Carolina                RBC        5'10"      200 137.           Damon Hazelton              Missouri               WR         6'2"        215 138.           Tariq Thompson               San Diego State S              6'0"        200 139.           Ta'Quon Graham              Texas    DL3T      6'4"        294 140.           K.J. Britt                Auburn ILB          6'0"        236 141.           Monty Rice         Georgia OLB        6'1"        235 142.           Kylen Granson   SMU      TE           6'2''        235 143.           Kellen Mond      Texas A&M         QB          6'3"        217 144.           Paddy Fisher      Northwestern   ILB          6'4"        246 145.           Amari Rodgers  Clemson              WR         5'9"        210 146.           Jamien Sherwood            Auburn S              6'2''        220 147.           Max Duffy           Kentucky             P             6'1"        185 148.           Spencer K. Brown             Northern Iowa  OT          6'9''        321 149.           Nico Collins         Michigan              WR         6'4"        222 150.           Tommy Togiai    Ohio State           DL3T      6'2"        300 151.           JaCoby Stevens LSU        S              6'1''        228 152.           Jordan Smith      UAB       EDGE     6'7"        255 153.           Tyler Vaughns   USC        WR         6'2"        190 154.           Jack Anderson   Texas Tech          OG         6'5"        315 155.           Bobby Brown III Texas A&M         DL1T      6'3"        325 156.           Darren Hall          San Diego State CB           6'0"        190 157.           Donovan Stiner Florida  S              6'1"        203 158.           Wyatt Hubert    Kansas State       EDGE     6'3"        270 159.           Thomas Graham Jr.         Oregon CB           5'10"      193 160.           Shemar Jean-Charles      Appalachian State            CB           5'11"      190 161.           Malik Herring     Georgia DL5T      6'3"        283 162.           Daelin Hayes      Notre Dame       EDGE     6'4"        268 163.           Tommy Kraemer              Notre Dame       OG         6'6"        317 164.           Marco Wilson    Florida  CB           6'0"        190 165.           Trill Williams       Syracuse              CB           6'2'         198 166.           Shaka Toney       Penn State          EDGE     6'3"        243 167.           Jimmy Morrissey              Pitt         OC          6'3"        305 168.           Sam Ehlinger      Texas    QB          6'3"        225 169.           Sadarius Hutcherson      South Carolina   OG         6'4"        320 170.           D.J. Daniel           Georgia CB           6'0''        183 171.           Camryn Bynum Cal          CB           6'0''        198 172.           Jermar Jefferson              Oregon State     RBC        5'9"        215 173.           Jose Borregales Miami (FL)           PK           5'10"      205 174.           Alaric Jackson    Iowa      OT          6'6"        315 175.           Brennan Eagles Texas    WR         6'2"        225 176.           Tommy Doyle    Miami (OH)         OT          6'8''        326 177.           Jonathan Marshall           Arkansas              DL1T      6'3"        317 178.           Shane Buechele SMU      QB          6'1"        207 179.           Joshua Kaindoh Florida State       EDGE     6'7"        261 180.           James Hudson   Cincinnati            OT          6'5"        310 181.           Benjamin St-Juste            Minnesota          CB           6'3"        200 182.           Demetric Felton                UCLA     RBC        5'9"        189 183.           Victor Dimukeje Duke     EDGE     6'2"        265 184.           Xavier Kelly         Arkansas              DL3T      6'4"        305 185.           Kary Vincent Jr. LSU        CB           5'10"      182 186.           Noah Gray           Duke     TE           6'4"        240 187.           Adrian Ealy          Oklahoma           OT          6'6"        327 188.           Michal Menet   Penn State          OC          6'4''        305 189.           Pressley Harvin III            Georgia Tech      P             6'0"        255 190.           Amen Ogbongbemiga    Oklahoma State OLB        6'1"        231 191.           T.J. Vasher          Texas Tech          WR         6'6"        210 192.           Josh Imatorbhebhe         Illinois   WR         6'2"        215 193.           Matt Bushman  BYU        TE           6'5"        245 194.           Stevie Scott        Indiana RB           6'2"        231 195.           Brady Christensen           BYU        OT          6'6''        300 196.           Quintin Morris   Bowling Green  TE           6'4"        248 197.           Riley Patterson Memphis             PK           6'0"        190 198.           Malcolm Koonce              Buffalo EDGE     6'3"        250 199.           Robert Rochell   Central Arkansas              CB           6'0''        195 200.           Ben Mason         Michigan              FB           6'3"        254
    • Trade 1: Miami offer picks No.3, No.18, No.50 and Tua Tagavailova to Texans for DeShaun Watson   Trade 2: WFT offers pick No.19 to NYJ for pick No.34 and Sam Darnold   Trade 3: Carolina offers pick No.8 and pick No.104 to Houston for Tua, pick No.18,  and pick No.113   Trade 4: Indianapolis Colts offer pick No.21 (1st) and pick No.118 (4th) to Las Vegas Raiders for Derek Carr   Trade 5: Tennessee Titans offer Pick No.22, Pick No.53 and Pick No.86 to Denver Broncos for Pick No.9   Trade 6: Las Vegas Raiders offer Pick No.21 and Pick No.145 for Carson Wentz and Pick No.37   Trade 7: Carolina Panthers offer Pick No.113 to Eagles for Zach Ertz   Trade 8: New England Patriots trade Patrick Surtain and a 4th rounder to the Los Angeles Chargers for Jaylen Waddle   Trade 9: Los Angeles Chargers trade Patrick Surtain to Carolina Panthers for pick No.18 and No.73   Trade 10: Cleveland Browns trade Jarvis Landry and Pick No.123 to Chicago Bears for their 3rd round pick No.84   Trade 11: Pittsburgh Steelers trade Pick No.55 (2nd), Pick No.88 (3rd) and Pick No.192 (6th) to Bucs for pick No.32   Trade 12: Houston Texans trade pick No.50, No.100 and No.104 to New Orleans Saints for Marshon Lattimore   Round 1   1.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson 2.  NY Jets (2-14) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State 3.  Houston from Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU 4.  Atlanta (4-12) - Penei Sowell, OT, Oregon 5.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - JaMarr Chase, WR, LSU 6.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State 7.  Detroit (5-11) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State 8.  Houston from Carolina (5-11) - DaVonta Smith, WR, Alabama 9.  Titans from Denver (5-11) - Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan 10.  Dallas (6-10) - Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern 11.  NY Giants (6-10) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida 12.  San Francisco (6-10) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech 13.  New England from LA Chargers (7-9) - Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama 14.  Minnesota (7-9) - Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami 15.  Carolina from LA Chargers from New England (7-9) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama 16.  Arizona (8-8) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina 17.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Jaelen Philips, EDGE, Miami 18.  Chargers from Carolina from Houston from Miami (10-6) - Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue 19.  NY Jets From WFT* (7-9) - Najee Harris RB Alabama 20.  Chicago* (8-8) - Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 21.  Philadelphia from Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota 22.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech 23.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Zaven Collins, OLB/DE, Tulsa 24.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Jalen Mayfield, OT, Michigan 25.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trevon Moehring, S, TCU 26.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame 27.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida 28.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh 29.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Terrance Marshall, WR, LSU 30.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State 31.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Wyatt Davis, OG/C, Ohio State 32.  Pittsburgh from Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama   Houston -> Miami: For Laremy Tunsil Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Carolina -> Houston: For Tua LA Rams -> Jacksonville: For Jalen Ramsey Seattle -> NY Jets: For Jamal Adams WFT -> NY Jets For Sam Darnold Indianapolis -> Las Vegas For Derek Carr Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Las Vegas -> Philadelphia for Carson Wentz New England -> Chargers for Jaylen Waddle Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 2   33.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Sam Cosmi, OT, Texas 34.  WFT From NY Jets (2-14) - Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama 35.  Atlanta (4-12) - Creed Humphrey, OG, Oklahoma 36.  Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson 37.  Las Vegas From Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State 38.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Christian Barmore, DL, Alabama 39.  Carolina (5-11) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame 40.  Denver (5-11) - Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State 41.  Detroit (5-11) - Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss 42.  NY Giants (6-10) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State 43.  San Francisco (6-10) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon 44.  Dallas (6-10) - Jay Tufele, DT, USC 45.  Jacksonville - from Minnesota (7-9) - Jackson Carmon, OT, Clemson 46.  New England (7-9) - Joseph Ossai, EDGE/OLB, Texas 47.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State 48.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri 49.  Arizona (8-8) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford 50.  New Orleans From Houston from Miami (10-6) - Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama 51.  WFT* (7-9) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State 52.  Chicago* (8-8) - Kyle Trask, QB, Florida 53.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Jabril Cox, LB, LSU 54.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington 55.  Tampa Bay  from Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest 56.  Seattle* (12-4) - Brady Christiansen, OT, BYU 57.  LA Rams* (10-6) - Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama 58.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia 59.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Richie Grant, Safety, UCF 60.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern 61.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Ronnie Perkins, EDGE, Oklahoma 62.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa 63.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Josh Myers, C, Ohio State 64.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia   Houston -> Miami: Laremy Tunsil Minnesota -> Jacksonville: Yannick Ngakoue NY Jets -> WFT in Sam Darnold trade Philadelphia -> Las Vegas in Carson Wentz trade Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Houston -> New Orleans For Marshon Lattimore Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 3   65.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Tyler Shelvin, DL, LSU 66.  NY Jets (2-14) - Marquez Stevenson, WR, Houston 67.  Houston (4-12) - Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State 68.  Atlanta (4-12) - Marvin Wilson, DL, FSU 69.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati 70.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse 71.  Denver (5-11) - Elijah Molden, CB, Washington 72.  Detroit (5-11) - Alim McNeil, DL, NC State 73.  Los Angeles Chargers From Carolina (5-11) - Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State 74.  WFT - from San Francisco (6-10) - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC 75.  Dallas (6-10) - Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida 76.  NY Giants (6-10) - Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford 77.  New England (7-9) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia 78.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Rashad Weaver, DE, Pittsburgh 79.  Minnesota (7-9) - Osa Odighizuwa, DT, UCLA 80.  Arizona (8-8) - Payton Turner, DE, Houston 81.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Hamsah Nasirldeen, S, FSU 82.  Miami (10-6) - Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State 83.  WFT* (7-9) - Deonte Brown, OG, Alabama 84.  Cleveland From Chicago* (8-8) - Joe Tryon, DE, Washington 85.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Jordan Smith, DE, UAB 86.  Denver From Tennessee* (11-5) - Ar'Darius Washington, S, TCU 87.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse 88.  Tampa Bay From Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Camerone McGrone, LB, Michigan 89.  Detroit - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trey Smith, OG, Tennessee 90.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State 91.  Minnesota - from Baltimore* (11-5) - Ben Cleveland, OG, Georgia 92.  Cleveland - from New Orleans* (12-4) - D’Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Michigan 93.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Chazz Surratt, OLB, North Carolina 94.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia 95.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas 96.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Israel Mukumanu, CB, South Carolina   Baltimore -> Minnesota: Yannick Ngakoue LA Rams -> Detroit: Matthew Stafford New England stripped of draft pick because of Spygate II New Orleans -> Cleveland: 2020 picks San Francisco -> Washington: Trent Williams Seattle -> NY Jets: Jamal Adams Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Chicago -> Cleveland in Jarvis Landry trade Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 4 97.   Jacksonville (1-15) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) - Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn 105.  Denver (5-11) - Quinn Meinerz, OG/OC , Wisconsin - Whitewater 106.  Dallas (6-10) - Jaylen Twyman DT, Pitt 107.  NY Giants (6-10) - Marlon Williams, WR, UCF 108.  San Francisco (6-10) - Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State 110.  Minnesota (7-9 Divine Deablo, S, VA Tech 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) -- Kendrick Green, Univ. of Illinois 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) -- Amari Rogers, WR, Clemson 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) -- Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois 114.  Miami (10-6) -- Quincy Roche, DE, Miami  115.  WFT* (7-9) -- Sage Surratt, WR, Wake Forest 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) - Spencer Brown, OT, UNI 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) 120.  Seattle* (12-4) 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5)     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
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