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Got this from Profootball talk. But it reminds me of Hughes. In all fairness to him, he really doesn't get a lot of snaps in real games:

When Aaron Maybin returns to Buffalo on Sunday for the Jets to play the Bills, he probably can’t expect a warm reception. The Bills took Maybin 11th overall in 2009 and he was one of the NFL’s biggest draft busts of the last few years, getting released without ever recording a single sack.

But Maybin has three sacks so far this season with the Jets, and he says the difference between his old team and his new team is simple: His old coaches never gave him a chance to show what he could do, and his new coaches are making the most of his talents.

When you get between five and seven plays a game, that’s not really an opportunity,” Maybin told Sean Jensen for Yahoo Sports. “There was something the Bills’ coaching staff didn’t see that Rex Ryan and that coaching staff did. Whatever it is, I can’t tell you or put my finger on it. I can sit here and try to focus on why that is. But it doesn’t matter anymore.”

Of course, the Bills would argue that the five to seven plays a game were an opportunity, and that Maybin also had plenty of opportunities in minicamps, training camps, practices and preseason games to prove he deserved more than five to seven plays a game in the 27 regular-season games he played for the Bills.

That time is over, though, and Maybin has found a role he can fill in the Jets’ defense. That’s a credit to him, and to Ryan. And it can’t make the Bills happy to see Maybin contributing for an AFC East rival in a way he never contributed for the Bills.

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Well it's hard to give Hughes an opportunity because that would mean starting him over Mathis, who is a Pro Bowl starter. Just don't see him getting an oppurtunity, unless we let him play a lot in the preseason, but that's not really that fair of an assessment. His only chance will be if Mathis is injured...Aaron Maybin is a different story.

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Well it's hard to give Hughes an opportunity because that would mean starting him over Mathis, who is a Pro Bowl starter. Just don't see him getting an oppurtunity, unless we let him play a lot in the preseason, but that's not really that fair of an assessment. His only chance will be if Mathis is injured...Aaron Maybin is a different story.

Maybe it's time we let Mathis go then, depending on how this Manning situation resolves itself. Mathis is in his final contract. It's evident we're having salary cap issues when we're bringing in all these cheap undersized defenders. Although, we did have the money to pay for Collins. That worked real well...

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Well it's hard to give Hughes an opportunity because that would mean starting him over Mathis, who is a Pro Bowl starter. Just don't see him getting an oppurtunity, unless we let him play a lot in the preseason, but that's not really that fair of an assessment. His only chance will be if Mathis is injured...Aaron Maybin is a different story.

Tyler Brayton and Jamaal Anderson have been starting in front of Hughes too.

I think Jerry needs to be in a 3-4.

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His old coaches never gave him a chance to show what he could do, and his new coaches are making the most of his talents.

we don't have to wait to see if this applies to Hughes or not. Its happening right now with Chick, who is a monster on the dline for JAX, and starting every game. shoot, might even be a pro bowl season for him.

and we let him walk.

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we don't have to wait to see if this applies to Hughes or not. Its happening right now with Chick, who is a monster on the dline for JAX, and starting every game. shoot, might even be a pro bowl season for him.

and we let him walk.

Don't you know a street free agent can't beat a bill polian first round pick?Pride comes before the fall.
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we don't have to wait to see if this applies to Hughes or not. Its happening right now with Chick, who is a monster on the dline for JAX, and starting every game. shoot, might even be a pro bowl season for him.

and we let him walk.

Chick is a pass rushing specialist for Jacksonville with 2 sacks to his credit. He hasn't started a game. The only reason he is on the team is because of a key injury. The only thing monstrous about this situation is your exaggeration. He wouldn't be getting any more time on the field for the Colts than Hughes is.

Chick is one of those "high effort, good story" guys that we all love to see, but Hughes has dramatically higher upside and is five years younger. I didn't think that Chick stood out in pre-season playing against backups. He is a workmanlike player, but the odds of him ever being a star are remote.

By the way, we aren't the only team who "let him walk". He just took his first NFL snap at AGE TWENTY-EIGHT. You don't throw away a 23 year old with first round athletic ability for that. It isn't ego, it's common sense.

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Chick would probably make more of an impact for us that Hughes is right now. Chick is a high motor, high effort guy, and while I am not saying that Hughes doesn't give effort, I see him regularly get beat on special teams, which points to less that 100 percent effort.

Hughes has been put in at linebacker and DE a bit, but hasn't done much. I am encouraged to see Coyer tweak his scheme to try and get Hughes on the field, but he has to prove to someone that he is worth putting out there. He hasn't done that yet

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we don't have to wait to see if this applies to Hughes or not. Its happening right now with Chick, who is a monster on the dline for JAX, and starting every game. shoot, might even be a pro bowl season for him.

and we let him walk.

John Chick has 2 sacks, 1 forced fumble, and 1 pass defensed this season, you are definitely overating him to try and prove a point. That's not playing at a pro bowl level...

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Thats the thing i think... when it comes to the team itself actually evaluating players and their talent during the season.. (not mentioning the scouts) they dont seem to give other players that opportunity ie moala it took the guy a whole season until he saw the field and look at him now he isnt even a force... they are hampering those players progression to becoming a better player in the nfl by just keeping them on the sideline... especially your 1st round pick, its not that the guy doesnt have talent.. the colts just arent putting him on the field.

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John Chick has 2 sacks, 1 forced fumble, and 1 pass defensed this season, you are definitely overating him to try and prove a point. That's not playing at a pro bowl level...

alright, pro bowl comment was out there in left field, and I am bias because I watched him destroy olines for years up here, but JAX found a way to get him involved and give him a chance to put some numbers up, which he has been doing.

yet he was so awful that we could barely keep him on the practice squad? and don't give me junk about larry coyer's scheme, or the fact that we have the best bookend tandem in the league, John would have had a chance to get those numbers playing for us.

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alright, pro bowl comment was out there in left field, and I am bias because I watched him destroy olines for years up here, but JAX found a way to get him involved and give him a chance to put some numbers up, which he has been doing.

yet he was so awful that we could barely keep him on the practice squad? and don't give me junk about larry coyer's scheme, or the fact that we have the best bookend tandem in the league, John would have had a chance to get those numbers playing for us.

...Scheme? Bookend tandem? What? Where did I ever mention that?

The reason why we kept Jerry Hughes is because he still has the potential to develop into our 3rd pass rusher. It was just a tough situation for John Chick because we had 3 pass rushing DE's ahead of him. I'm glad that he is succeeding somewhere else, good for him!

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How many plays does hughes get at DE? It doesn't seem to me he gets many plays there. So why are we having Brayton and Anderson in front of him? Brayton isn't very good if you ask me. I think i've seen hughes more at special teams, than rushing the qb.

They typically play in situations where the opposition is expected to run - which also has the effect of giving Freeney and Mathis a break. It works too - they are far more effective against the run. Of course offenses have been intentionally passing as soon as they see them come into the game.

There is really no reason to ever put Hughes in at DE unless someone is injured, or they are just trying to get him a taste.

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We need to find out if hughes has a future here. He is a first round pick, put him at de for a few games and see if he has anything. Anderson and Brayton might not be back next year. Hopefully Brayton isn't. Even Mathis could be gone. So why wouldn't we let Hughes play? I don't understand why we don't get these younger guys on the field. We aren't going to win that many games this year.

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We need to find out if hughes has a future here. He is a first round pick, put him at de for a few games and see if he has anything. Anderson and Brayton might not be back next year. Hopefully Brayton isn't. Even Mathis could be gone. So why wouldn't we let Hughes play? I don't understand why we don't get these younger guys on the field. We aren't going to win that many games this year.

I agree completely, and wouldn't be surprised at all to see more of him. Thomas is now starting, Painter is in for the year, etc. The course of this year is pretty clear.

By the way, Brayton has actually been playing a lot of tackle recently due to injury, but I haven't noticed what they've done at DE when he was inside. It's possible that Hughes HAS been playing more, but we haven't noticed it.

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I admit that it seems Jerry going half speed all the time. But my hope is that he is a gamer. If he is in there, he has to play and has to make plays, he will rise to the occassion. I do hope he develops some moves because running straight at a OT is not going to work.

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I guess i don't understand why Hughes isn't putting on 10lbs of muscle and learning pass rush moves from Freeney and Mathis. Seems like anderson is becoming a better pass rusher than I expected. Tired of hearing about move Hughes to linebacker, that's not what fits this system.

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I guess i don't understand why Hughes isn't putting on 10lbs of muscle and learning pass rush moves from Freeney and Mathis. Seems like anderson is becoming a better pass rusher than I expected. Tired of hearing about move Hughes to linebacker, that's not what fits this system.

How do we know he isn't doing that?

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Jerry Hughes doesn't play because he is no good. He isn't no good because he doesn't play.

He barely makes the active roster on game day. They had to bring in more defensive ends to pick up his slack. What else do you need to be convinced? It's getting to the point to where it is a Tim Tebow situation. Does Hughes need to go out and get starter minutes for 5 or 6 games, where he can be abused to the point to where no one can stand to watch it anymore?

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See, the thing about Hughes is he isn't going to get on the field in favor of Freeney or Mathis very often. We use a tandem at the DE position. Anderson and Brayton play more on run downs. Freeney and Mathis play more on pass downs. All of those DEs get plenty of breathers. It's not like we need to give Freeney a breather when he only plays half the defensive plays. I'm still not ready to give up on Hughes because when I watch him, he gives a good push up front, he's fast, and he holds his gap well. He will make Mathis expendable next year. Could his draft pick have been used on someone better? Of course, but it doesn't make him a bust yet. Brown is a bust, always has been a bust, and always will be a bust.

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See, the thing about Hughes is he isn't going to get on the field in favor of Freeney or Mathis very often. We use a tandem at the DE position. Anderson and Brayton play more on run downs. Freeney and Mathis play more on pass downs. All of those DEs get plenty of breathers. It's not like we need to give Freeney a breather when he only plays half the defensive plays. I'm still not ready to give up on Hughes because when I watch him, he gives a good push up front, he's fast, and he holds his gap well. He will make Mathis expendable next year. Could his draft pick have been used on someone better? Of course, but it doesn't make him a bust yet. Brown is a bust, always has been a bust, and always will be a bust.

I was with you up until the Brown part. Have you watched him recently?

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I was with you up until the Brown part. Have you watched him recently?

The reason I call Brown a bust is because I feel the RB position is one that can be filled with 7th rounders/undrafted guys. We could get the same production out of a Danny Woodhead type and use that number one pick on a badass corner or lineman. It's not that I think Brown is bad, I would have just rather spent that pick on someone more worthy of a first round pick.

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Tyler Brayton and Jamaal Anderson have been starting in front of Hughes too.

I think Jerry needs to be in a 3-4.

Too bad the Colts aren't switching to a 3-4. Actually, if they draft a good 3-4 OLB in this years draft, it could be a sign... but probably not.

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Maybe it's time we let Mathis go then, depending on how this Manning situation resolves itself. Mathis is in his final contract. It's evident we're having salary cap issues when we're bringing in all these cheap undersized defenders. Although, we did have the money to pay for Collins. That worked real well...

Why would we get rid of Mathis? Yes he's in his final year, but really money isn't hte big issue. Jerry Hughes has not proven himself, and I don't think the Colts want to see Anderson in there. Mathis' 11 sacks a year are too important to this team. Without him, our pass rush is completely gone as most teams will then double team Freeney. He's still young, and he's still got it, keep him!! Let's also remember that the Colts have big money guys like Diem, Sims, and Brayton probably gone next year, and even bigger guys like Brackett potentially on their way out. They would never get rid of Mathis.

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The reason I call Brown a bust is because I feel the RB position is one that can be filled with 7th rounders/undrafted guys. We could get the same production out of a Danny Woodhead type and use that number one pick on a badass corner or lineman. It's not that I think Brown is bad, I would have just rather spent that pick on someone more worthy of a first round pick.

That is a true statement today, but I'm not sure that it was when he was drafted. I would be astonished (and disappointed) if the Colts used a first round pick on a RB in 2012. But when Brown was picked I not only expected a RB based on need, but guessed that he was the one they would take. His college bio just sounded like Colts material.

And personally I've always thought that his biggest problem was injuries. He has made numerous enormous plays in the past, and is far more effective catching the ball than any Colts RB of the past 10-20 years not named Edge. The downside was the hesitating, miss-reading, and then getting stopped for no-gain which had became all too routine through last year. The thing is, I don't remember it being a factor in his first year, and it hasn't been an issue recently at all.

It would be ironic and confusing if it turns out that the 3rd string scrubs we've been playing on the line just happened to be better at run blocking than the starters. Hopefully that's not the case.

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I would rather see Hughes get 5 or 6 games at starters minutes too see what he's got. At least you can see what he does in a game.

Ok that's a little too far, but ok :) I would rather see him become the immediate backup and instead of Tyler Brayton playing it should be Hughes. Although Hughes may not be the greatest player, the colts orgo. is not doing anything to help him or to develop him. He's just been sitting on the bench. He needs playing time. Now I think he should be the immediate backup to Freeney instead of Brayton. Signing Brayton was a waste of money (Anderson was a good sign) because your not letting your former 1st ronud pick develop.

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I got news for you we are not winning too many games this year. This is the year to see what some of these young guys got.

Nice and how will Mathis feel after being benched for a rookie. It's his last year of his contract, and if he's getting benched in the middle of the season, he'll want to get his butt out of here. We're not going to bench all-pros for an unknown pretty bad player. Let him become the backup and get the snaps that Brayton and Anderson would, but benching Mathis or Freeney is just stupid.

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Well I'm telling you right now the Colts aren't releasing 3 defensive ends (out of 5), and you don't need to be in charge to know that. We gave Hughes a shot in the preseason and he didn't do well, do you really think he'll explode now... no. Robert Mathis is a three time Pro Bowler and we ain't giving a majority of minutes to his backup. Where have you seen that before.... NOWHERE! Jerry Hughes should get some time, but not the majority of minutes. He is pretty much a lesser skilled Robert Mathis, so why give him more minutes than Robert Mathis himself? Giving him half a year will not make him that much of a better player, not enough to train him into Mathis' successor. Save the developing for the preseason, training camp, offseason. Give him experience by playing as a backup on 10-15 plays a game, but we need Mathis on the field.

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I thought all 3 were FA after the season, we might not have a choice if they go somewhere else.

They are, but that doesn't necessarily mean we'll let them become FA's. After all the cuts we'll make and with the already additional cap space we have, we'll be able to sign Mathis easily. We have a choice to resign them, and you could bet that the Polians will resign their star DE.

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