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Watching Sam at the combine, he has shown great pass rushing ability, but terrible coverage skills. He is to small to be a DE, but cant cover well enough to be an every down LB. So, he is basically a another Werner. He's a pass rush specialist. We DEFINATELY dont need that. Hes a great guy, but doesnt fit our team at the moment. 

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He's a fifth round pick, shouldn't even be talked about...

Considering that our 1st pick is near the end of the 2nd round, players projected to get picked around there should be the focus of our draft. Trying to find a diamond in the rough/getting quality depth is/should be the aim this years draft for us.

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Why don't we need another pass rushing specialist?

 

 

Excellent question.

 

With our defensive scheme, we would virtually never put three pass rush LB's on the field at the same time, especially if they cant cover. Our biggest problem last year was we need LBs that can also cover. We were SLAUGHTERED over the middle by teams like the Titans that would just run crossing routes across the middle and their athletic WR's and TE's would always beat our LB's.  Mathis and Werner are already in place for the pass rush need. 

 

Obviously we NEED more pressure on the QB overall, but we need to get that pressure from the D-line more than another "specialist" linebacker. 

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With our defensive scheme, we would virtually never put three pass rush LB's on the field at the same time, especially if they cant cover. Our biggest problem last year was we need LBs that can also cover. We were SLAUGHTERED over the middle by teams like the Titans that would just run crossing routes across the middle and their athletic WR's and TE's would always beat our LB's.  Mathis and Werner are already in place for the pass rush need. 

 

Obviously we NEED more pressure on the QB overall, but we need to get that pressure from the D-line more than another "specialist" linebacker. 

 

3rd and long? 

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I've seen some compare him to Mathis, in that he would either be an undersized 4/3 end or a 3/4 pass rushing linebacker. I think Mathis fits our scheme so I think Sam would too if the Colts elect to draft him. Note comparing him to Mathis in terms of how he would be used in a defense doesn't mean he'll be as good as Mathis but if the Colts draft him I hope he is.

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Yea it's possible, but do teams blitz 6 and only drop 5 into coverage often? Seems a risky. But I just think that in that situation, we'd use Freeman, Mathis, and Werner and call it a day.

 

We usually only have 1 or 2 lineman down on 3rd and long. 

 

Freeman, Mathis, Werner, another rush LB, and 1-2 down lineman. 

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With our defensive scheme, we would virtually never put three pass rush LB's on the field at the same time, especially if they cant cover. Our biggest problem last year was we need LBs that can also cover. We were SLAUGHTERED over the middle by teams like the Titans that would just run crossing routes across the middle and their athletic WR's and TE's would always beat our LB's.  Mathis and Werner are already in place for the pass rush need. 

 

Obviously we NEED more pressure on the QB overall, but we need to get that pressure from the D-line more than another "specialist" linebacker. 

 

So do you only look at the top 22 of the roster? What about reserve pass rushers? What about developing players as future starters?

 

I don't understand taking such a limited view of our team building and roster management. I'm not that big of a Michael Sam fan, based on his game, but if we drafted a pass rush specialist in the 5th round, I would be fine with that. 

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I've seen some compare him to Mathis, in that he would either be an undersized 4/3 end or a 3/4 pass rushing linebacker. I think Mathis fits our scheme so I think Sam would too if the Colts elect to draft him. Note comparing him to Mathis in terms of how he would be used in a defense doesn't mean he'll be as good as Mathis but if the Colts draft him I hope he is.

I don't see him being like Mathis except for size.  Mathis is way more athletic.

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The pass rushing specialist would be fine if it is round 5 or later. I said this before with Bruce Irvin of the Seahawks (who I still think was overdrafted). If you have a solid DL and LB corp that play more downs to cause enough 3rd and longs, you can invest in another pass rushing specialist because that will make him more effective. But based on what I have seen, 3rd downs vs our team have been more manageable that teams have options to run or pass. Once we shore up the run D on the DL and LB front, investing in another pass rush specialist makes sense in later rounds.

 

However, a 5th round investment would be just fine with me for Michael Sam. The early rounds have to be invested in someone that plays more downs, its as simple as that.

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Yea it's possible, but do teams blitz 6 and only drop 5 into coverage often? Seems a risky. But I just think that in that situation, we'd use Freeman, Mathis, and Werner and call it a day.

 

It`s like you have no idea about rotating players to keep them fresh and losing players to injury. Having Depth. Wow!

 

JMO but i don`t think our roster has enough versatility at LB, including Freeman, to go with such a one trick poney.

 That spot should be filled by a guy that can be reasonably good at pass coverage too if pressed into LB`er service.

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So do you only look at the top 22 of the roster? What about reserve pass rushers? What about developing players as future starters?

 

I don't understand taking such a limited view of our team building and roster management. I'm not that big of a Michael Sam fan, based on his game, but if we drafted a pass rush specialist in the 5th round, I would be fine with that. 

 

I agree, in the 5th or 6th, im fine with that. But I hear hes looking at 3rd or 4th round. That position is just not a position of need for us at the moment. Depth is one thing, but we have too many holes to fill besides that. 

The pass rushing specialist would be fine if it is round 5 or later. I said this before with Bruce Irvin of the Seahawks (who I still think was overdrafted). If you have a solid DL and LB corp that play more downs to cause enough 3rd and longs, you can invest in another pass rushing specialist because that will make him more effective. But based on what I have seen, 3rd downs vs our team have been more manageable that teams have options to run or pass. Once we shore up the run D on the DL and LB front, investing in another pass rush specialist makes sense in later rounds.

 

However, a 5th round investment would be just fine with me for Michael Sam. The early rounds have to be invested in someone that plays more downs, its as simple as that.

 

Absolutely my point.

 

It`s like you have no idea about rotating players to keep them fresh and losing players to injury. Having Depth. Wow!

 

Freak out much? Stop trolling. Yes, everyone understands depth. My point was we have too many holes to fill, and if hes projected to be a 3rd or 4th rounder, we cant take him. That position is not worth our 3rd round pick, and we dont have a 4th. If he falls to the 5th or 6th, and we already have the other positions we need, then sure. But it is not a position of need to the point where we need to spend a 3rd round pick on the guy.

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I think he'd be fine in our system, I just don't think we have a great need for OLB compared to some of the other holes on our team. If he drops low enough then yeah, pick him up anyways, because if you can score good players at the back end of the draft you'd rather do it even if there's not much of an immediate need. But we need help at ILB more than we need OLB right now so I wouldn't draft him with one of our higher round picks.

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I think he'd be fine in our system, I just don't think we have a great need for OLB compared to some of the other holes on our team. If he drops low enough then yeah, pick him up anyways, because if you can score good players at the back end of the draft you'd rather do it even if there's not much of an immediate need. But we need help at ILB more than we need OLB right now so I wouldn't draft him with one of our higher round picks.

 

Your right, I should correct myself and say he doesnt fit our current personnel needs.

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It`s like you have no idea about rotating players to keep them fresh and losing players to injury. Having Depth. Wow!

 

JMO but i don`t think our roster has enough versatility at LB, including Freeman, to go with such a one trick poney.

 That spot should be filled by a guy that can be reasonably good at pass coverage too if pressed into LB`er service.

That's why I really like Christian Jones as our first pick if available ... Smallwood as 2nd.choice ( but not with our 2nd rnd pick) @ ILB  both can cover .. given we take care of Center in FA... if we don't... then  we could grab Jones in the 2nd and try and get Richburg ( C )in the 3rd.

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Motor was the main positive that he had. He doesn't have the measurable or technique to be anything more. Can't drop in coverage, can't set the edge, smaller than ideal,etc...

 

Well, he's being projected as an OLB in a 34 so I was just wondering. Honestly, with his body type and measurables, he doesn't look to fit any scheme effectively. 

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The same argument that was made for keeping Jerry Hughes.....but what happened? The leaders of this franchise do not covet pass rushing specialists because the system they've employed here does not need them.

 

Lawrence Sidbury was signed to play as a situational pass rusher and was injured in the pre-season.

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It's comically stupid that this guys name keeps appearing on this forum. The guy is slow and isn't very good. It's almost as if some fans want him just so they can brag about the Colts picking the 1st openly gay NFL player and if thats the case, some fans really need to re-evaluate why they are fans to begin with. If this guy would have never opened his mouth about being gay, their isn't a single fan or media person that would be talking about him. Enough with this guy already...he's not any good.

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It's comically stupid that this guys name keeps appearing on this forum. The guy is slow and isn't very good. It's almost as if some fans want him just so they can brag about the Colts picking the 1st openly gay NFL player and if thats the case, some fans really need to re-evaluate why they are fans to begin with. If this guy would have never opened his mouth about being gay, their isn't a single fan or media person that would be talking about him. Enough with this guy already...he's not any good.

 

Spot on!!!!!

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Well, he's being projected as an OLB in a 34 so I was just wondering. Honestly, with his body type and measurables, he doesn't look to fit any scheme effectively. 

 

That's exactly what it is. He's not particularly good at any one thing. He's like the defensive version of Denard Robinson. You can put him in certain packages in some situational football, but he's not a long term starter at any one position.

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Yes, he does.

 

Maybe like 10 times all season. 

 

By who?

 

I thought I had read that some GM had said that (Bucs I think?) but I just checked the quote and I was mistaken. It was saying he was a tweener who didn't really have a position. Doesn't have the body type for DE and not fluid enough for OLB. My bad on that.

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