Superman's 2014 mock w/ UDFAs

[Superman]

The moment you've all been waiting for... ;)

 

I'm doing a full 90-man mock, with lower level signings and undrafted free agents, the whole nine. (Keep in mind that only the top 51 contracts count against the cap prior to final cut day.) The contracts were structured with the help of overthecap.com, using information from there and spotrac.com.

 

Projected 2014 cap is $126.3m + 2013 cap rollover of $1.16m = $127.46m total cap

Colts current 2014 cap obligations are $92.93m = $34.53m cap space

Release Satele, $4m cap savings = $38.53m cap space

Adding $35.3m to the top 51 cap

New cap number for 2014 of $124.23m, leaving $3.23m cap space remaining (should gain about $4m back after final cuts)

 

Re-sign (total top 51 cap added = $17.87m):

Davis; four years, $30m, $17.5m guaranteed, total Year 1 cash of $11m, 2014 cap hit of $6.5m

McAfee; five years, $13.25m, total Year 1 cash of $5m, 2014 cap hit of $1.55m

Bethea; two years, $7m, total cash in Year 1 of $4.25m, 2014 cap hit of $3m

Reitz; one year, $1.33m (RFA)

Gordy; one year, $1.33m (RFA)

Sergio Brown; one year, $1.15m

Conner; one year, $.88m

Vaughn; one year, $.83m

Sidbury; one year, $.73m

Hickman; one year, $.57m (ERFA)

Cam Johnson; one year, $.495m (ERFA)

 

FA signing (total top 51 cap added = $16.13m):

Donald Butler, ILB, Chargers; five years, $30m, $13.5m guaranteed, total Year 1 cash of $10m, 2014 cap hit of $4m (starting MILB, great run defender, would be a great complement to Freeman)

Evan Deitrich-Smith, C, Packers; four years, $20m, $10.75m guaranteeed, total Year 1 cash of $7.25m, 2014 cap hit of $3.25m (fixes the problem at center, lets Holmes remain a backup)

Linval Joseph, DT, Giants; three years, $12m, $4.5m guaranteed, total Year 1 cash of $4.5m, 2014 cap hit of $2.5m (can rotate with Redding at DT, eventually taking over the majority of the starts)

Cam Thomas, NT, Chargers; two years, $6m, $3.125m guaranteed, total Year 1 cash of $3m, 2014 cap hit of $2.375m (was benched at the end of the year, but was a steady run stopper, can back Chapman up)

Eric Wright, CB, Niners; one year, $2.5m (veteran corner, can start or play nickel)

John Jerry, OG, Dolphins; one year, $1.5m (depth at guard, can work as a starter if Thornton struggles at RG)

 

Draft (total top 51 cap added = $1.3m):

2/58: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (2014 cap hit of $.7m)

3/90: Carl Bradford, OLB, ASU (2014 cap hit of $.6m) http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-prospect-focus-Carl-Bradford.html  http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/carl-bradford-1.html  (pass rusher with athleticism, smallish but instinctive and makes plays)

5/154: Deandre Coleman, DT, Cal (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89537&draftyear=2014&genpos=DT http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/deandre-coleman-1.html (big, athletic, versatile, gets into the backfield, should be a better version of Fili Moala)

6/186: Michael Schofield, OT, Michigan (right tackle) (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89770&draftyear=2014&genpos=OT (right tackle who is working some at guard at the Senior Bowl, has good lateral quickness and doesn't get beat by pass rushers, not great push but usually locks his man down)

7/209: Alden Darby, S, ASU (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=106615&draftyear=2014&genpos=SS http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/alden-darby-1.html (he flies around and makes plays, tackles well, can cover)

 

UDFAs (no top 51 cap added):

Walt Aikens, CB, Liberty (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=91246&draftyear=2014&genpos=CB http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/players.asp?id=181588 (great size and athleticism, transferred from Illinois)

Clay Burton, TE, Florida (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119748&draftyear=2015&genpos=te (Blocking tight end)

Trey Burton, WR, Florida (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=105861&draftyear=2014&genpos=WR http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/trey-burton-1.html (tweener receiver with great size, slot / H-back guy, can block, run and catch)

Travis Carrie, CB, Ohio (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=103124&draftyear=2014&genpos=CB (good size, makes plays on the ball, can return punts)

Chandler Catanzaro, K, Clemson (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=92190&draftyear=2014&genpos=K http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/chandler-catanzaro-1.html (good, consistent leg)

Mister Cobble, NT, Kentucky (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=92309&draftyear=2014&genpos=DT reference (talk about a nose tackle, good feet, great size, run stopper)

Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=106335&draftyear=2014&genpos=CB http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/aaron-colvin-1.html (another DB with speed, he gets ball carriers down, just tore his ACL and would likely sit the year out)

Austin Franklin, WR, New Mexico State (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/2014-nfl-draft-meet-adam-muema-and-austin-franklin-surprise-declarees-with-draftable-talent.html http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/austin-franklin-1.html (quick and fluid receiver, needs to work on hands and physicality, missed time this year because he was academically ineligible)

Bruce Gaston, DT, Purdue (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=107652&draftyear=2014&genpos=DT http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/bruce-gaston-1.html (five-tech end, good hands and movement, not great stamina, can get after the passer)

Gator Hoskins, FB/H-Back, Marshall (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=108663&draftyear=2014&genpos=FB http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/gator-hoskins-1.html (big guy, good hands, big receiving threat)

Bennett Jackson, CB, Notre Dame (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=108888&draftyear=2014&genpos=CB http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/bennett-jackson-1.html (tackles well, returned kicks as a freshman, probably more of a zone guy)

Caleb Lavey, ILB, Oklahoma State (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=109658&draftyear=2014&genpos=ILB http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/caleb-lavey-1.html (smart player who gets to the ball and finishes tackles, decent in coverage, special teams caliber player)

Jerick McKinnon, RB, Georgia Southern (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=110361&draftyear=2014&genpos=RB http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/players.asp?id=198709 http://draftbreakdown.com/players/jerick-mckinnon/ (big play ball carrier, can run past defenses easily)

Andrew Norwell, OG, Ohio State (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=110917&draftyear=2014&genpos=OG (big guard, limited in space but anchors well, does good in close quarters)

Matt Patchan, OT, Boston College (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83949&draftyear=2014&genpos=OT (athletic with good size, has dealt with a bunch of injuries and just transferred to BC from Florida, long shot but could have the goods to play in the pros)

Quintin Payton, WR, NC State (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=90148&draftyear=2014&genpos=WR http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/players.asp?id=181812

Silas Redd, RB, USC (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=111584&draftyear=2014&genpos=RB http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/silas-redd-1.html (physical downhill runner, good power and balance, has some injury issues)

Tyler Starr, OLB, South Dakota (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=113316&draftyear=2014&genpos=OLB http://www.goyotes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tyler_starr_801624.html (pass rusher, fumble forcer, gets to the ball and causes trouble)

James Stone, C, TN (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=112697&draftyear=2014&genpos=C (good lateral agility and awareness, good lower body strength, needs to play with better leverage)

Lawrence Virgil, DT, Valdosta State (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=113341&draftyear=2014&genpos=DT (3/5-tech end, disruptive, long player)

Avery Williamson, ILB, Kentucky (2014 cap hit of $.5m) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=113889&draftyear=2014&genpos=ILB http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/avery-williamson-1.html (tackle machine, good leader and hard worker, limited athleticism)

 

Blue = draft picks, Red = free agent acquisitions, Green = re-signs, Orange = UDFAs, 

 

OFFENSE - 43

QB Andrew Luck, Matt Hasselbeck, Chandler Harnish

HB Trent Richardson, Vick Ballard, Chris Rainey, Tashard Choice, Dan Herron, Jerick McKinnon, Silas Redd

FB Stanley Havili, Gator Hoskins

WR Reggie Wayne, T.Y. Hilton, Da' Rick Rogers, LaVon Brazill, Griff Whalen, Jordan Matthews, Austin Franklin, Trey Burton, Quintin Payton

TE Dwayne Allen, Coby Fleener, Jack Doyle, Weslye Saunders, Martell Webb, Clay Burton

LT Anthony Castonzo, Xavier Nixon, Matt Patchan

LG Donald Thomas, Andrew Norwell, Zach Allen

C Evan Dietrich-Smith, Khaled Holmes, James Stone, Thomas Austin

RG Hugh Thornton, John Jerry, Lance Louis

RT Gosder Cherilus, Michael Schofield, Justin Anderson

 

DEFENSE - 44

DE Cory Redding, Linval Joseph, Jeris Pendleton, Lawrence Virgil

NT Josh Chapman, Cam Thomas, Mister Cobble

DT Ricky Jean Francois, Montori Hughes, Deandre Coleman, Bruce Gaston

SLB Eric Walden, Carl Bradford, Tyler Starr, Alan Baxter, Andy Studebaker

WILB Jerrell Freeman, Avery Williamson, Kelvin Sheppard, Caleb Lavey

MILB Donald Butler, Kavell Conner, Josh McNary, Mario Harvey

RLB Robert Mathis, Bjeorn Werner, Daniel Adongo, Cam Johnson, Lawrence Sidbury, Aaron Morgan,

CB Vontae Davis, Eric Wright, Cassius Vaughn, Bennett Jackson, Walt Aikens

CB Greg Toler, Darius Butler, Josh Gordy, Travis Carrie, Aaron Colvin

FS LaRon Landry, Delano Howell, Sergio Brown

SS Antoine Bethea, Alden Darby, Christian Bryant

 

SPECIAL TEAMS - 3

K Chandler Catanzaro

P Pat McAfee

LS Matt Overton

 

Looking for feedback. Let me know what you all think.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Superman

[Deathiltis]

Think you did an awesome job Superman. As far as the draft goes I don't know if Matthews and Bradford will fall that far but let's hope so  , and grabbing Colvin as a FA makes all the sense in the world. I like how the money is spread around and would be ecstatic if we had Butler to go along with Freeman.   I do think with that first pick the Colts should go after an OLineman though. As much as I like Matthews if you give Luck more time in the pocket he'll make more plays with his arm. Think next season would be a better time to draft a receiver. 

[UKColtfanHS]

Nice job superman, I prefer looking at mock off seasons with all the cap numbers involved it makes it a lot more plausible than when people have us signing ALL the big FA names with no regards to cap space! One thing you did miss though was Werner on your final roster! apart from that this has been the best mock off season I've seen!   

[Bluefire4]

The only things I'm not sure about are Conner being resigned, and getting all those undrafted free agents.. Also safety could still be a concern if Landry and Bethea don't improve.

[esmort]

Good to see a different take ... I like it except .....

 

- I would prefer we get more of a "sure thing" at FA G ... with John Jerry we are going into another season with a ? at guard.

 

- I don't know about Bethea

 

- Do you really think Jordan Matthews lasts until end of 2nd .... or just hoping?

[coltsfanatic24]

I agree with some of it and really like the signing of Donald Butler but there are a few things i would change.

 

FA

 

- I don't think will resign Bethea he can't cover, we need a guy with range

 

- I would prefer Brian De La Puente over Smith at center and Arthur Jones over Linval Joseph, Jones is a natural 3-4 DE.

 

Draft

 

- I think a CB will be our 1st pick if we sign a ILB in FA because Toler just can't stay healthy, he's more of a # 3 CB imo too inconsistent. Jaylen Watkins and Keith Mcgill both really looked good in press coverage at the senior bowl, could be there in the 2nd. 

 

- In the 3rd instead of Bradford because we already have Mathis, Werner, and Walden i would go with Daniel Mccullers NT. A lot of Chargers fans think NT is their biggest weakness so that says a lot about Cam Thomas. Also Chapman who is still young has dealt with injuries and idk if he's the answer.

 

- I agree with the rest of the draft Coleman would be a great pick.

[swifty1812]

Only 2 questions i have about all of these moves.

 

1 didn't Hasselbeck say he was retiring? and if so what cap space would open up from that?

 

2. I would rather go with a younger cover safety than Bethea at this point. I would try for Clemmons, especially if we get more free money from Hasselbeck retiring.

[Nobody]

This would be perfect.

[Jason_]

Pretty much love it, with the exception of you cutting Werner. lol

 

I really liked some of the lower level signings.  I saw some of Mister Cobble (great name btw) at Kentucky when they played Memphis in '11 because I was scouting Dontari Poe.  I also saw some of Silas Redd when he was still at Penn State.  He looked like a solid runner.  Maybe not anything special but a solid backup.

 

I also love that you brought back both Cam Johnson and Sidbury.  I hope Grigson does the same because I'd like to see what they can turn into with some more coaching.

 

Question though, what about Adongo?  And I'm curious about Linval Joseph.  Just curious what you prefer about him over Arthur Jones, who seems to be the forum "must have" FA.

[Gavin]

I wont get into the cap aspect of your picks, Ill defer to you on that one but I have some questions or concerns about a few of your pickups:

 

 

1.John Jerry-From what I have seen not good in space at all, gets to high in pass pro leaving himself to get knocked back easily for sacks given up, Also his stamina has simply just never been very good, constant weight issues, That was evenon an episode of Hard Knocks, we need to do alot better then him

 

2.Jackson looks like a pure Zone Corner to me, put him in man to man and I think it would lead to trouble

 

 

3.I personally cant see Matthews falling clear to the bottom of the 2nd round...could happen I guess but dont see it as likely, What makes you think he will fall that far?

 

 

4.I'd be stoked if we could get Colvin as an undrafted fa but even with his torn ACL I dont see it happening, I think he gets picked up in the 4th-5th round maybe 6th at worst, to much talent

 

5.I dont see us needing Cam Thomas with the Linval Joseph pickup, Rather get a vet Man Corner if possible

 

Glad you picked up on Avery Williamson-I think he has plenty of  potential, Lots of other players I have to watch if I can find them you listed, very well done

[Superman]

Ha, two really stupid omissions. I didn't mean to cut Werner or Adongo. As you can see, it was late when I posted this, lol. Fixing now.

[Superman]

A few questions people have:

 

1) How will Jordan Matthews be available at 58? He might not be. I did a bunch of mocks on a couple different websites, and he was available about 70% of the time, so I decided to make him my pick. That obviously might not work out. And as more information becomes available from the Shrine game and the Senior Bowl, along with the Combine and pro days, a lot of this pre-draft stuff will change. I'll do another update in a few weeks, I'm sure.

 

2) Same story for Aaron Colvin. I don't know if he falls out of the draft entirely, but it's not outside the realm of possibility, seeing as how he just tore his ACL. He's a PUP candidate, for sure, and likely won't be able to play at all in 2014. There are a lot of corners in this draft that can compete for a spot right away, and a lot of teams that need corner depth. So I'm assuming he makes it through the draft. If that becomes unreasonable before my next update, I'll cross him off. (Same for the rest of my UDFAs.)

 

3) Yeah, I kept Bethea. I've been one of the main ones complaining about him. But I don't think we can afford to sign any of the FA safeties that are clearly better than him, and I think he'd stay with the Colts for a reasonable price. The value for drafting a safety wasn't there for me, especially not when I think I can get Darby late, who I really like. 

[BrentMc11]

Just with one quick read, I am wondering where the AV fans are in this scenario???  I personally am fine with a change, but I liked Brandon McManus who is a 'Reserve/Futures' member of the NY Giants.

 

That said,  Chandler Catanzaro is an incredibly solid kicker.  Good choice IF we are replacing our legend.  Might know I would notice Special Teams first

 

I will be back for some others...good stuff.  

[swifty1812]

A few questions people have:

 

1) How will Jordan Matthews be available at 58? He might not be. I did a bunch of mocks on a couple different websites, and he was available about 70% of the time, so I decided to make him my pick. That obviously might not work out. And as more information becomes available from the Shrine game and the Senior Bowl, along with the Combine and pro days, a lot of this pre-draft stuff will change. I'll do another update in a few weeks, I'm sure.

 

2) Same story for Aaron Colvin. I don't know if he falls out of the draft entirely, but it's not outside the realm of possibility, seeing as how he just tore his ACL. He's a PUP candidate, for sure, and likely won't be able to play at all in 2014. There are a lot of corners in this draft that can compete for a spot right away, and a lot of teams that need corner depth. So I'm assuming he makes it through the draft. If that becomes unreasonable before my next update, I'll cross him off. (Same for the rest of my UDFAs.)

 

3) Yeah, I kept Bethea. I've been one of the main ones complaining about him. But I don't think we can afford to sign any of the FA safeties that are clearly better than him, and I think he'd stay with the Colts for a reasonable price. The value for drafting a safety wasn't there for me, especially not when I think I can get Darby late, who I really like. 

 

I think if we get some cap savings for hasselbeck we could afford a better safety. Also even in the same league just much younger I would consider Nate Allen

[Dustin]

Only 2 questions i have about all of these moves.

 

1 didn't Hasselbeck say he was retiring? and if so what cap space would open up from that?

 

2. I would rather go with a younger cover safety than Bethea at this point. I would try for Clemmons, especially if we get more free money from Hasselbeck retiring.

 

Hasselbeck is retiring after next season.

[swifty1812]

Hasselbeck is retiring after next season.

 

And there is where my assumptions fail. ha.

[Superman]

More questions answered:

 

1) Hasselbeck is retiring after the 2014 season.

 

2) I prefer Linval Joseph over Arthur Jones for a couple reasons. He's two years younger, and I think he'll be more affordable. Jones is going to come with a Ravens' tax (the extra premium you pay to sign a former Ravens' defensive player, like Ellerbe, Kruger, etc.) I think Joseph could rotate off the bench for a year behind Redding, but gradually take more and more snaps, eventually becoming the starter prior to 2015.

 

3) John Jerry might not be the right guy, but whoever this guy is won't have a fully guaranteed contract. Hugh Thornton is the projected starter at RG, and I'm bringing back Reitz and putting Holmes in a reserve role, not to mention the added rookie free agents. The goal is to create competition and depth. I'm fine with Holmes starting. If you can think of another low level guy who can be had for less than $2m on a non-guaranteed deal, I'm open to options.

[Superman]

I wont get into the cap aspect of your picks, Ill defer to you on that one but I have some questions or concerns about a few of your pickups:

 

 

1.John Jerry-From what I have seen not good in space at all, gets to high in pass pro leaving himself to get knocked back easily for sacks given up, Also his stamina has simply just never been very good, constant weight issues, That was evenon an episode of Hard Knocks, we need to do alot better then him

 

2.Jackson looks like a pure Zone Corner to me, put him in man to man and I think it would lead to trouble

 

 

3.I personally cant see Matthews falling clear to the bottom of the 2nd round...could happen I guess but dont see it as likely, What makes you think he will fall that far?

 

 

4.I'd be stoked if we could get Colvin as an undrafted fa but even with his torn ACL I dont see it happening, I think he gets picked up in the 4th-5th round maybe 6th at worst, to much talent

 

5.I dont see us needing Cam Thomas with the Linval Joseph pickup, Rather get a vet Man Corner if possible

 

Glad you picked up on Avery Williamson-I think he has plenty of  potential, Lots of other players I have to watch if I can find them you listed, very well done

 

Jackson is fast and a good tackler. He's good gunner material, at the least.

 

Rather have two noteworthy NTs, instead of a swing nose/DT. Especially because Chapman can't play more than 60% of the snaps per game due to stamina. 

 

I signed Eric Wright, what other vet man corner do I need?

 

Yeah, I like Williamson, he's limited physically but he's fundamentally sound and seems like a quality person. 

 

I addressed your question about John Jerry in a previous post. Let me know who else could play that role. I'm certainly not tied to him.

[Valpo2004]

Just some constructive criticism here.

 

1. I think you may have underpaid McAfee a bit.  I'm thinking it would be more along the lines of 5/15m.   However I don't think that would affect your final numbers too greatly.  

 

2. If we're gonna replace AV, I would think we would bring more then one guy into camp and have some competition to it.  Last year we brought 2 kickers into camp along with AV and we had AV on contract that year.  I find it hard to believe that they would decide to replace AV but only bring one kicker into camp.  

 

3. This would be probably next to impossible for you to account for, but given our GM I have to think we would get a couple of UDFA's from outside of traditional sources.  One has to think that Grigs has someone in the CFL or some odd ball dude from someplace else to bring into camp and try out.   

[Superman]

Just some constructive criticism here.

 

1. I think you may have underpaid McAfee a bit.  I'm thinking it would be more along the lines of 5/15m.   However I don't think that would affect your final numbers too greatly.  

 

2. If we're gonna replace AV, I would think we would bring more then one guy into camp and have some competition to it.  Last year we brought 2 kickers into camp along with AV and we had AV on contract that year.  I find it hard to believe that they would decide to replace AV but only bring one kicker into camp.  

 

3. This would be probably next to impossible for you to account for, but given our GM I have to think we would get a couple of UDFA's from outside of traditional sources.  One has to think that Grigs has someone in the CFL or some odd ball dude from someplace else to bring into camp and try out.   

 

You might be right on McAfee. I think your 5/15 is probably the most I'd want to do, though.

 

We can bring in another kicker if that makes people more comfortable, but the reason we had another kicker last year was to spare Vinatieri some wear and tear. A camp leg, if you will.  I personally think Catanzaro has the stuff.

 

As for CFL or African rugby leagues, yeah, I don't get paid as much as Grigson does to do this stuff, so, I'll leave that to him. ;) 

[Superman]

I made another mistake. I double counted the savings from cutting Satele. Bottom line, total left over cap space is $3.23m, not $7.23m. (That's a little closer than I'd like it to be, but I think the difference will be made up for on cut day. Guys like Sheppard, Saunders, etc., who count toward the top 51 cap, probably wouldn't make my final 53, so I'll get that $4m back in other ways and start the season with around $7m in cap space.)

[Valpo2004]

You might be right on McAfee. I think your 5/15 is probably the most I'd want to do, though.

 

We can bring in another kicker if that makes people more comfortable, but the reason we had another kicker last year was to spare Vinatieri some wear and tear. A camp leg, if you will.  I personally think Catanzaro has the stuff.

 

As for CFL or African rugby leagues, yeah, I don't get paid as much as Grigson does to do this stuff, so, I'll leave that to him. ;)

 

With 2, I just think it's likely that they will bring in more then one guy.  

 

With last training camp, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we brought in 3 total kickers.  AV and 2 other guys.  True those guys where camp legs but I have to say that if we where replacing AV then we likely bring in at least 2 if not 3 kickers.  

[BrentMc11]

With 2, I just think it's likely that they will bring in more then one guy.  

 

With last training camp, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we brought in 3 total kickers.  AV and 2 other guys.  True those guys where camp legs but I have to say that if we where replacing AV then we likely bring in at least 2 if not 3 kickers.  

I only remember McManus.  It may be because we have the "Boomstick too."   Maybe I missed someone.

[Valpo2004]

I only remember McManus.  It may be because we have the "Boomstick too."   Maybe I missed someone.

 

Was just checking on that and it looks like I'm wrong, I can't find any evidence of a kicker we brought in other then McManus.

[Superman]

I only remember McManus.  It may be because we have the "Boomstick too."   Maybe I missed someone.

 

Yeah, McAfee handled some kicking as well in camp and preseason. That might be the confusion.

[ztboiler]

On new UFA signings:

 

- Love the pick-up of Linval Joseph. He stands out to me when I look at specific names who are realistically available at a price Grigs would value.  Your number looks good there.

 

- Love a Vet CB - seems like a must given the uncertainty with Toler.  I would have a preference for Walter Thurmond even at a slight premium - but names are interchangeable to me.

 

- Curious about Donald Butler.  I don't think the sun rises and sets of PFF ratings, but his -10 number is extremely low.  Too ignore that seems a litte un-Superman like to me given that PFF is at least a solid data point among the things you typically reference.  I honestly don't know that much about Butler other than that he made a huge play in the Cincy playoff game and has a good reputation.  Would like to hear more about why his impact is greater than his PFF scores - realizing that is sometimes the case.  When I look at the list of UFA ILB's, he is the one name the interests me the most - there is very little else on that list that intrigues me over a draft and develop strategy.

 

- Re: Center and E.D.S. - we've traded thoughts on this before.  From my perspective, this is more about what Grigson will do than anything else.  I don't think he'll go get one of the top 3 centers.  We all have to make assumptions when we pour over this off-season stuff (It's addictive!) and my assumption is that this staff believes in the talent and leadership of Holmes as a long term piece that will overtake the production of either D.L.P or E.D.S....so, he will re-sign McGlynn to a vet min. deal or another vet center or both (maybe a flier on J.D. Walton).  If we are objective, the caliber of our line play with McGlynn at center has been at a winning level, so it isn't unreasonable to plug him next to D. Thomas and H. Thornton and expect to win games.

 

- I like the concept of signing a player like John Jerry, while drafting a G/T in the 5th or 6th.  If we hit on the pick, then the vet signed likely doesn't make the final roster.  Really good planning approach for the line to have options.

 

- Re: Cam Thomas - I don't think we invest the money.  Chapman is ready for a heavier load, so I think we support him with a vet minimum kind of guy, which seems to be plentiful in free agency, along with a late round pick or UDFA as you suggest.

 

- It is a good year to sign a WR in free agency.  If Grigs can get a number he likes, I think Maclin or Nicks play here on a 1 or 2 year deal to show that they have what they used to.  I'd spend $6-8M per year on a short term deal and still wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger in the 2nd or 3rd if a WR we really like is there.

 

Re-signings:

- Favor the re-signing of Bethea as you suggest.  Bethea's market is probably even softer than you suggest - though I'd gladly pay what you are suggesting.

 

- Re-sign Moala.  His work was very underrated this year, and he is a strong rotational piece that held up well as a starter too when asked. Provided good pass rush push and was consistently the most active and athletic DL we had.  Soft market - 3 yr./$5M.  Yr. 3 in this system might be very good for him.

 

- I prefer to re-sign AV to a 1 yr. $3M deal, but realize we have to move on at some point.

 

- Love all the other resignings. Think I'd bring Bradshaw back to camp on a $1.5M deal non-guaranteed.

 

Draft Strategy:

- The free agent ILB market tempts me to look for a starter next to Freeman in Rd. 2 or 3.  History suggests that is very doable.  If we don't get what we want, the secondary FA market can still be serviceable if we don't want to run with McNary, Sheppard and Conner.

 

- Safety with great ball skills in Rd. 2 or 3 to develop behind Bethea and play immediately in certain coverage looks.

 

- G/T, CB and another S or ILB in Rd. 5/6/7

 

Contract Structures:

- would like to see cap figures flat at worst in subsequent years.  Not a big fan of escalating numbers when you have the cap space we do.  No need to mortgage the future until you have to - we'll be there soon enough.

[Gavin]

Jackson is fast and a good tackler. He's good gunner material, at the least.

 

Rather have two noteworthy NTs, instead of a swing nose/DT. Especially because Chapman can't play more than 60% of the snaps per game due to stamina. 

 

I signed Eric Wright, what other vet man corner do I need?

 

Yeah, I like Williamson, he's limited physically but he's fundamentally sound and seems like a quality person. 

 

I addressed your question about John Jerry in a previous post. Let me know who else could play that role. I'm certainly not tied to him.

My whole thinking on the Guard matter and bringing in John Jerry is I want a solid starter not have to hope that a 3rd round draft pick made a big leap over the course of the offseason and TC who should some good this year but it was accompanied by alot more bad then good, As to Jerry...He brings in depth but if he does make the roster and beats out Thornton that still wont solve the problem, He has had weight problems since college(Jerry), Doesn't possess the mauling power despite his size and looks like he would be in a world of hurt when asked to Pull

[Superman]

My whole thinking on the Guard matter and bringing in John Jerry is I want a solid starter not have to hope that a 3rd round draft pick made a big leap over the course of the offseason and TC who should some good this year but it was accompanied by alot more bad then good, As to Jerry...He brings in depth but if he does make the roster and beats out Thornton that still wont solve the problem, He has had weight problems since college(Jerry), Doesn't possess the mauling power despite his size and looks like he would be in a world of hurt when asked to Pull

 

Thornton is the starter at RG. You have an idea who you would grab as a secondary free agent to compete at guard?

[Gavin]

Thornton is the starter at RG. You have an idea who you would grab as a secondary free agent to compete at guard?

Willie Colone.....If healthy of course, Im just not sold on Thornton and Jerry would be lucky to make the final 53

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Like the Bethea signing, he is not NEAR as bad as people think. I like the 2 years as well. I think Conner is gone, the staff doesn't appear to like him. WR with the second pick hmmm only if Wayne isn't ready I think the young guy will progress, I would look at guard or ILB, if you couldn't get say Butler. Love if we could get Eric Wright!! Like the rest of the draft. Gator Haskins I believe is said to be a 4/6 round guy but you never know. A lot of nice free agents always hard to get the best guys. I would bring back Moala as well! Great job though a lot of work & thought!!

[BrentMc11]

Willie Colone.....If healthy of course, Im just not sold on Thornton and Jerry would be lucky to make the final 53

I have been critical of Thornton and I was high on him as a pick.  As Superman states above, he is a right guard.  We should have used him as such IMO and put Reitz at LG, but that is another thread.  We will get the most with a healthy Thornton at his natural position...RG.

 

I mention in another thread I would love a nice FA guard...but we need a lot more too...Thornton played pretty well until he had a rash of 'pesky injuries.'

[ztboiler]

I have been critical of Thornton and I was high on him as a pick.  As Superman states above, he is a right guard.  We should have used him as such IMO and put Reitz at LG, but that is another thread.  We will get the most with a healthy Thornton at his natural position...RG.

 

I mention in another thread I would love a nice FA guard...but we need a lot more too...Thornton played pretty well until he had a rash of 'pesky injuries.'

Thornton played all over the place in college, including LT most recently.  Why is it so universally thought that RG is his natural position, as though he were less well suited for LG?  We all thought he was drafted for the RG spot given that D. Thomas was expected to play LG, but what about him makes people think he is more suited to RG?  No argument from me that this is where he will end up, just trying to follow the logic.

[Superman]

On new UFA signings:

 

- Love the pick-up of Linval Joseph. He stands out to me when I look at specific names who are realistically available at a price Grigs would value.  Your number looks good there.

 

- Love a Vet CB - seems like a must given the uncertainty with Toler.  I would have a preference for Walter Thurmond even at a slight premium - but names are interchangeable to me.

 

- Curious about Donald Butler.  I don't think the sun rises and sets of PFF ratings, but his -10 number is extremely low.  Too ignore that seems a litte un-Superman like to me given that PFF is at least a solid data point among the things you typically reference.  I honestly don't know that much about Butler other than that he made a huge play in the Cincy playoff game and has a good reputation.  Would like to hear more about why his impact is greater than his PFF scores - realizing that is sometimes the case.  When I look at the list of UFA ILB's, he is the one name the interests me the most - there is very little else on that list that intrigues me over a draft and develop strategy.

 

 

I thought about Thurmond. I think he stays with the Seahawks, though. A lot of their free agents have been talking recently about how much they love it there and want to stay. He'd come at a premium, especially if they win the SB.

 

With Butler, his PFF ratings were down this year. Last two years, he was one of the top rated ILBs against the run. He was inconsistent for much of 2013, but toward the end of the year, he was fantastic against the run and in coverage. 

 

- Re: Center and E.D.S. - we've traded thoughts on this before.  From my perspective, this is more about what Grigson will do than anything else.  I don't think he'll go get one of the top 3 centers.  We all have to make assumptions when we pour over this off-season stuff (It's addictive!) and my assumption is that this staff believes in the talent and leadership of Holmes as a long term piece that will overtake the production of either D.L.P or E.D.S....so, he will re-sign McGlynn to a vet min. deal or another vet center or both (maybe a flier on J.D. Walton).  If we are objective, the caliber of our line play with McGlynn at center has been at a winning level, so it isn't unreasonable to plug him next to D. Thomas and H. Thornton and expect to win games.

 

 

 

To a certain extent, I mocked this based on what I think could reasonably happen, what Grigson and Pagano want to do with the team and the roster. (For instance, as much as I like Aaron Donald, I didn't consider drafting him because he doesn't fit the team's vision.) But there are certain things that are more about what I think we SHOULD do, even if Grigson is likely to take another path. I think it's possible that Holmes gets penciled in as the starter, but I think we'd be better with EDS and then keep Holmes as a reserve. JMO. I'm willing to earmark funds for a top notch starting center and fix this issue now, rather than crossing our fingers for another year.

 

- Re: Cam Thomas - I don't think we invest the money.  Chapman is ready for a heavier load, so I think we support him with a vet minimum kind of guy, which seems to be plentiful in free agency, along with a late round pick or UDFA as you suggest.

 

Might be able to get better value than Cam Thomas. Franklin signed for a lot less, but he's older and has bounced around a few times in recent years. 

 

It is a good year to sign a WR in free agency.  If Grigs can get a number he likes, I think Maclin or Nicks play here on a 1 or 2 year deal to show that they have what they used to.  I'd spend $6-8M per year on a short term deal and still wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger in the 2nd or 3rd if a WR we really like is there.

 

 

 

That's just a different approach, though. I think we could structure a team friendly deal for Maclin, but I'd rather draft a stud high. You're signing a free agent, and drafting a safety high. I definitely think we need to do one or the other, but I favor my approach because of the value. Maclin, even on a friendly deal, costs more than drafting a WR + resigning Bethea. 

 

- I prefer to re-sign AV to a 1 yr. $3M deal, but realize we have to move on at some point.

 

 

Just read an article today, quoting AV saying he wants to keep playing. I'd keep him, all things considered. I might adjust that in my next mock.

 

 

Contract Structures:

- would like to see cap figures flat at worst in subsequent years.  Not a big fan of escalating numbers when you have the cap space we do.  No need to mortgage the future until you have to - we'll be there soon enough.

 

 

 

I did all these on overthecap.com, which doesn't allow you to save or share or anything like that, and I didn't feel like writing it all down. But the contracts are pretty balanced. They're a little light in Year 1, but I use roster bonuses and workout bonuses to give the team chances to wiggle out and/or save money down the line if necessary. Very similar structures to what Grigson did with Mathis, Landry, etc. Just had to account for the fact that these are probably higher rated signings than most of the guys Grigson signed last year. I'm keeping them mostly flat, but also allowing for releases (and maybe anticipating other releases in the future, like Walden or Toler).

[Superman]

Thornton played all over the place in college, including LT most recently.  Why is it so universally thought that RG is his natural position, as though he were less well suited for LG?  We all thought he was drafted for the RG spot given that D. Thomas was expected to play LG, but what about him makes people think he is more suited to RG?  No argument from me that this is where he will end up, just trying to follow the logic.

 

To me, it's as simple as the fact that he played better at RG last season. Small sample size, but if you have Thomas at LG, RG is where Thornton belongs.

[Track Guy]

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- Re: Center and E.D.S. - we've traded thoughts on this before.  From my perspective, this is more about what Grigson will do than anything else.  I don't think he'll go get one of the top 3 centers.  We all have to make assumptions when we pour over this off-season stuff (It's addictive!) and my assumption is that this staff believes in the talent and leadership of Holmes as a long term piece that will overtake the production of either D.L.P or E.D.S....so, he will re-sign McGlynn to a vet min. deal or another vet center or both (maybe a flier on J.D. Walton).  If we are objective, the caliber of our line play with McGlynn at center has been at a winning level, so it isn't unreasonable to plug him next to D. Thomas and H. Thornton and expect to win games.

...

- It is a good year to sign a WR in free agency.  If Grigs can get a number he likes, I think Maclin or Nicks play here on a 1 or 2 year deal to show that they have what they used to.  I'd spend $6-8M per year on a short term deal and still wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger in the 2nd or 3rd if a WR we really like is there.

...

 

Ugh no offense meant but I really hope we're not banking on an interior line of with either McGlynn or Holmes in it next year. I'm really hoping for Brian De La Puente, I like Mack a lot but I think he's gonna be resigned by the Browns. But another year of a terrible pass protection and bad run blocking would be hard to take. Thorton is already enough of a question mark let alone McGlynn who was awful and a guy who didn't even start over Satele.

 

I will say though, I like the thinking of considering adding a WR. I might be in the minority here, and I'm not saying we should marry the idea, but a young #1 receiver for the future is definitely something we need to address (either through the draft or FA) if not this year then next as Reggie is aging. That is, unless T.Y. and Da'Rick make some big strides. I think Nicks could work well in our offense. However, it all depends on where we stand cap room after filling the bigger needs like O-line, ILB, and secondary imo.

[ztboiler]

Ugh no offense meant but I really hope we're not banking on an interior line of with either McGlynn or Holmes in it next year. I'm really hoping for Brian De La Puente, I like Mack a lot but I think he's gonna be resigned by the Browns. But another year of a terrible pass protection and bad run blocking would be hard to take. Thorton is already enough of a question mark let alone McGlynn who was awful and a guy who didn't even start over Satele.

 

I will say though, I like the thinking of considering adding a WR. I might be in the minority here, and I'm not saying we should marry the idea, but a young #1 receiver for the future is definitely something we need to address (either through the draft or FA) if not this year then next as Reggie is aging. That is, unless T.Y. and Da'Rick make some big strides. I think Nicks could work well in our offense. However, it all depends on where we stand cap room after filling the bigger needs like O-line, ILB, and secondary imo.

No offense taken - I understand why the fan base is ready to invest in a sure thing.  I'm not particularly keen on McGlynn being on the roster next year, but he is like a different guy at center. If the thought is that Holmes is your future at the position, then that makes it hard to write a big check to upend that belief. It will certainly be one of the more closely watched pivot points of the off-season.  

 

What if the unthinkable happens....and Satele is the starter next year?  It will be a subject of much criticism, but GM's have stayed with their evaluations before and hoped that they finally come true.....

[BrentMc11]

Thornton played all over the place in college, including LT most recently.  Why is it so universally thought that RG is his natural position, as though he were less well suited for LG?  We all thought he was drafted for the RG spot given that D. Thomas was expected to play LG, but what about him makes people think he is more suited to RG?  No argument from me that this is where he will end up, just trying to follow the logic.

I know he was projected as a guard with his'supposed' athleticism.  I felt he looked athletic before his nagging injuries...actually pulled well.  Then I felt he played poorly which is understandable as he continues to learn.

 

With the ability to play LT and really all across the line other than I believe center. this in itself made Thornton a logical choice.

 

It depends who you read.  CBS saw him as a possible tackle that "may lack the ideal frame for this position.  NFL saw him as a Kevin Boothe type guard.  My thoughts are as he continues to grow he will use his 'mean streak and physicality better inside.  He received his only accolades as a guard....Grigson/Joe Gilbert saw him as a future road grader...on the right side with versatility.

 

[ztboiler]

I thought about Thurmond. I think he stays with the Seahawks, though. A lot of their free agents have been talking recently about how much they love it there and want to stay. He'd come at a premium, especially if they win the SB.

 

With Butler, his PFF ratings were down this year. Last two years, he was one of the top rated ILBs against the run. He was inconsistent for much of 2013, but toward the end of the year, he was fantastic against the run and in coverage. 

 

 

That is a pretty wide swing for Butler....but that happens.  Probably a good signing.  Wonder if SD will let him get away for that kind of money?  

 

I'm a little conflicted about the ILB position and struggle with the idea of paying a premium when there are so few that play at an impact level along with so many that can get the job done.  Yet, I also feel strongly that our DLine played well enough to be a quality run stopping group, but that our ILB's couldn't do their part consistently, making it the clear cut #1 issue going into next year.  I guess I'm willing to fix our #1 problem with a rookie.  Sounds kind of crazy, I suppose, for a team with cap space and a clear chance to compete for the big prize next year.  If I was pretty sure we could buy what we need, I'd feel differently, but I'm concerned about the performance delta between this year's crop of UFA ILB's and a rookie as being pretty narrow.

[coltsfanatic24]

There's a good chance Jordan Matthews falls to our pick in the 2nd round, all it takes is a bad 40 time. Watched him at the Senior Bowl today he's a good route runner and beats press easily, but he has a hard time separating when going deep. Anything short to intermediate he's good at but he lacks elite speed to consistently beat DB's over the top. Auburn CB Chris Davis who's 5'9 had a couple of pass break ups vs Matthews on 1's on 1's, ran step for step and seemed a lot faster.

 

If he was there in the 2nd i wouldn't take him, i would go with a CB, DE, or ILB. Matthews is a good player but Rogers is more talented imo just needs to work on route running.

[Superman]

There's a good chance Jordan Matthews falls to our pick in the 2nd round, all it takes is a bad 40 time. Watched him at the Senior Bowl today he's a good route runner and beats press easily, but he has a hard time separating when going deep. Anything short to intermediate he's good at but he lacks elite speed to consistently beat DB's over the top. Auburn CB Chris Davis who's 5'9 had a couple of pass break ups vs Matthews on 1's on 1's, ran step for step and seemed a lot faster.

 

If he was there in the 2nd i wouldn't take him, i would go with a CB, DE, or ILB. Matthews is a good player but Rogers is more talented imo just needs to work on route running.

 

You just described Keenan Allen. He dropped to the third because he didn't show elite speed, but was described as a good route runner who gets open underneath and creates separation on intermediate routes, catches the ball well, etc. Just won't beat fast corners down the field.

 

Meanwhile, we have three receivers on our roster who can beat corners down the field, but all three struggle getting open underneath. Then we have a guy that is limited in athleticism and isn't that big, but caught 30 passes this year. I'd LOVE to add a player who can get open off the line, a chain mover, with good size and a ton of potential. I have no problem with using a second rounder on that guy. After the way this season went, I'd rather have too many receivers than not enough, especially if you assume that Reggie comes back at 75% or so (which is optimistic for a 35 year old receiver with a torn ACL).

 

I've added depth at CB, though not elite level prospects. Would hope to uncover some true gems from that group. Added a bunch of options and depth at DE/DT. SIgned probably the best ILB on the market. Not sure why I'd use my second rounder on those positions. That's just a completely different approach.