Grigson Saving Face?

[GoDeep]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000314233/article/trent-richardson-a-vital-part-of-colts-success-gm-says

I guess this is from the presser today. GM Ryan Grigson asserts that the Colts don't win 12 games without Richardson. The author suggests that maybe we win 13. Is this just Grigson defending the trade in light of a 2.9 YPC? He doesn't really believe this, right?

[Le Neon]

I've said this throughout the season. We might not have taken down Houston or Seattle without some of the plays he made in those games.

[In Luck We Trust]

Im sorry but im going to believe a general manager of a franchise over some desk jockey article author. these sports writers tend to think they know more then the front offices of sports teams. if that was the case, then they would be a general manager for a team instead of sitting behind a desk thinking of ways to put down teams in a article. 

[Rob Lowe]

Ok if you say so. Hard to argue that any other RB on the roster couldn't have done the same if not more than Richardson did if they had been in his position.

[jvan1973]

Ok if you say so. Hard to argue that any other RB on the roster couldn't have done the same if not more than Richardson did if they had been in his position.

I guess you haven't seen Donald try to pass protect..

[Rob Lowe]

I guess you haven't seen Donald try to pass protect..

Ballard or Bradshaw had they been healthy could have done the job just fine. Just because Trent did so in their absence, which is why we got him in the first place, does not justify giving a guy more credit than he's due. Make him earn it

[Modern]

If he is a game changer then why did they make Brown the starter ?

After a few games Grigson had to know he'd been had by the Browns. He ain't gonna admit it, nobody has ever met a person who will say they are bad at their job. Thats not to say Grigson is bad, yet, but last years draft and trading a 1st for Richardson makes me think he could possibly be a one hit wonder.

No matter what he isnt gonna say " man I really goofed on that trade, that guy stinks".

All he can do is hope and pray Richardson comes out looking way better all season then he did on his best day this season. Irsay wants rings, and after the Polian years I dont think he is gonna be as patient with his GM's. He isnt going to want to have one of the best QB's in the league sitting at home watching the Superbowl.

[jvan1973]

Ballard or Bradshaw had they been healthy could have done the job just fine. Just because Trent did so in their absence, which is why we got him in the first place, does not justify giving a guy more credit than he's due. Make him earn it

Werent they both on IR?

[GoColts8818]

What's he going to say?

"Richardson didn't give us close to what we were hoping for when we made the trade, boy I wish I could get a do over on that one."

If he says that it's pretty much saying hey Jim I messed up the biggest move I've done other than drafting Luck since I got here.

[BlueCollarColts]

I wonder what all the Trent bashers will do when he has a good season next year.... Honestly who gives up on a guy in less than one season? Smh

[lollygagger8]

I don't know about anything else, but if Richardson doesn't make some of the stellar blocks he's made, Luck would've been sacked even more than he has been.

[jvan1973]

I don't know about anything else, but if Richardson doesn't make some of the stellar blocks he's made, Luck would've been sacked even more than he has been.

Exactly

[lollygagger8]

Maybe he's our version Lynch.....here's hoping!

[John Dee]

He was huge in pass protection, and in the passing game but for the trade to become a success he has got to make something happen on the ground next season.

 

And if Indy lets Brown walk and they put all their eggs in the T Rich basket (they better hope Ballard is good to go) ......      that is very risky for job security.

[John Dee]

Very good comparison, Buffalo gave up on Lynch a few years ago.     
And for good reason, ML just did not get it done his last year there.    But he turned it around. 

 

I think T Rich can make it happen,.

Maybe he's our version Lynch.....here's hoping!

[swflacoltsfans]

very disappointing but remember people were bashing donald brown too last year. I would hate to see Brown leave. He hung in there even though they kept bringing in additional players to replace him. He plays with heart and always gives his all.

[backshoulderfade]

Maybe he's our version Lynch.....here's hoping!

None of us know what might happen. With a bit of Luck, who knows.

[SteelDragon]

You know how Grigs fixes this?  By building one hell of an interior offensive line.  I guarantee that this trade won't look as bad if you get 2 more road graders(along with the return of Thomas, if he can work out) up front.  But I don't think we're ever going to feel we got an equitable trade.  I believe TRich and Ballard are going to split the load(Unless TRich looks really bad).  I suspect a third RB will be drafted or signed via FA.  TRich will at least look average if we get an above average line. 

[21isSuperman]

Despite great disappointment in running the ball, I thought Richardson did really well as a pass blocker.  Just because it doesn't show up on the stats, doesn't mean he hasn't contributed

[southwest1]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000314233/article/trent-richardson-a-vital-part-of-colts-success-gm-says

I guess this is from the presser today. GM Ryan Grigson asserts that the Colts don't win 12 games without Richardson. The author suggests that maybe we win 13. Is this just Grigson defending the trade in light of a 2.9 YPC? He doesn't really believe this, right?

If Grigs had said that statement in reference to Bradshaw, sure SW1 would have believed that remark, but Richardson right now? No way jose. Or should I say lay off the Jose Cuervo Ryan. Only teasing!

 

[TKnight24]

I'll believe that. Richardson made plays that don't show up on the stat board. And also some nice catches. My favorite one will forever remain the one he had against San Diego. Absolute greatness on that play 

[BlueCollarColts]

Sometimes i wonder if people on this board even want him to succeed 

[Rob Lowe]

Werent they both on IR?

Werent they both on IR?

Werent they both on IR?

Werent they both on IR?

Exactly my point. In the exact same situation, if healthy, both backs would have performed equally if not better than T-Rich did in said situation. Trent did nothing special.

[jvan1973]

Exactly my point. In the exact same situation, if healthy, both backs would have performed equally if not better than T-Rich did in said situation. Trent did nothing special.

But they weren't available, so your point is moot

[Superman]

You know how Grigs fixes this?  By building one hell of an interior offensive line.  I guarantee that this trade won't look as bad if you get 2 more road graders(along with the return of Thomas, if he can work out) up front.  But I don't think we're ever going to feel we got an equitable trade.  I believe TRich and Ballard are going to split the load(Unless TRich looks really bad).  I suspect a third RB will be drafted or signed via FA.  TRich will at least look average if we get an above average line. 

 

I always felt like a first rounder was too much. But you're right, if we improve the interior line play, all of our backs will look better, including Richardson.

 

What it really comes down to, though, is sometimes teams make bad trades. Sucks when it happens to you, but it happens to everyone. The only way to avoid it is to not make trades at all, and I don't think anyone wants to go back to those days again.

[TKnight24]

Exactly my point. In the exact same situation, if healthy, both backs would have performed equally if not better than T-Rich did in said situation. Trent did nothing special.

 

 

But they weren't available, so your point is moot

 

If healthy, Trent Richardson would be a Brown still or some other team. Colts only grabbed him due to Ballard & Bradshaw going to IR so you can't make that point that Ballard & Bradshaw would be better cause Richardson filled their shoes when they went down

[Superman]

If healthy, Trent Richardson would be a Brown still or some other team. Colts only grabbed him due to Ballard & Bradshaw going to IR so you can't make that point that Ballard & Bradshaw would be better cause Richardson filled their shoes when they went down

 

Ballard, yes. Bradshaw got hurt after we traded for Richardson.

[jvan1973]

If healthy, Trent Richardson would be a Brown still or some other team. Colts only grabbed him due to Ballard & Bradshaw going to IR so you can't make that point that Ballard & Bradshaw would be better cause Richardson filled their shoes when they went down

actually Bradshaw was still healthy when the trade occurred. But the point still stands

[TKnight24]

Ballard, yes. Bradshaw got hurt after we traded for Richardson.

 

 

actually Bradshaw was still healthy when the trade occurred. But the point still stands

 

Oh yeah, you guys are right. Forgot the 49ers game was the game Bradshaw took that hit & messed his neck up. He was a wild man running before that hit though. Loved his toughness running 

 

Was also DHB's best game imo, then everything went downhill for him

[southwest1]

Despite great disappointment in running the ball, I thought Richardson did really well as a pass blocker.  Just because it doesn't show up on the stats, doesn't mean he hasn't contributed

Yeah, I will concede that 21isSuperman, but I expect a veteran RB to hit the crease, run through the hole, & if it's not there stutter step & move outside. Stop running where the most traffic is please. 

 

I will give Trent one more year because I like his size & attitude to improve his situational awareness on the field, but if he still seems stagnant after another season cut your losses & release him. 

[TKnight24]

Yeah, I will concede that 21isSuperman, but I expect a veteran RB to hit the crease, run through the hole, & if it's not there stutter step & move outside. Stop running where the most traffic is please. 

 

I will give Trent one more year because I like his size & attitude to improve his situational awareness on the field, but if he still seems stagnant after another season cut your losses & release him. 

 

But Trent isn't a veteran SW1. 2nd year player, now 3rd going into next season. Look how long it took Donald Brown (Also a 1st rounder) to finally do well

 

But Trent will flash faster than Brown did. He showed it his rookie year with almost 1,000 rushing yards. He was just put in a bad situation this year with the Cleveland circus making wild decisions 

[Rob Lowe]

But they weren't available, so your point is moot

Not at all is my point in anyway moot. Richardson did fine, any other back in the NFL would have performers similarly in the circumstance. Like I said, he's given more credit than he's due

[jvan1973]

Not at all is my point in anyway moot. Richardson did fine, any other back in the NFL would have performers similarly in the circumstance. Like I said, he's given more credit than he's due

again, you must have missed browns blocking ability

[Rob Lowe]

If healthy, Trent Richardson would be a Brown still or some other team. Colts only grabbed him due to Ballard & Bradshaw going to IR so you can't make that point that Ballard & Bradshaw would be better cause Richardson filled their shoes when they went down[/quote

Yeah he "filled their shoes" but he did not measure up to their ability.

[YOUR GM]

This is discouraging. He doesn't have to bash the Richardson trade all together, but at least own up to the fact that we didn't get the returns we expected of him in his first year here. But to go the extreme of praising him for being absolutely suck-tastic every game this season is a joke

[Rob Lowe]

again, you must have missed browns blocking ability

I didn't, and Richardson blocks well, but that still doesn't warrent the bloated comments from Grigson. Anyone who thinks he does is just as much of a t-rich homer as I am of Da'Rick

[Rob Lowe]

This is discouraging. He doesn't have to bash the Richardson trade all together, but at least own up to the fact that we didn't get the returns we expected of him in his first year here. But to go the extreme of praising him for being absolutely suck-tastic every game this season is a joke

This is discouraging. He doesn't have to bash the Richardson trade all together, but at least own up to the fact that we didn't get the returns we expected of him in his first year here. But to go the extreme of praising him for being absolutely suck-tastic every game this season is a joke[/quote

Exactly

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

again, you must have missed browns blocking ability

Is there a stat we can look at or some comparison analysis of their 2 pass blocking games?

[jvan1973]

I didn't, and Richardson blocks well, but that still doesn't warrent the bloated comments from Grigson. Anyone who thinks he does is just as much of a t-rich homer as I am of Da'Rick

You just said any back in the nfl could block as well as Richardson. Brown cannot.

[Modern]

I dont know, maybe I am old fashioned but I like a running back who can at least run a little bit.

Maybe it is the playbook that confuses Richardson, maybe he gets confused as he approaches the line and thinks he is supposed to block the player who tackles him.