Why Isn't Manning On Ir?

[Coltsagent]

Really why isn't he? You cant pull the starters after 14-0 and say its for health reasons then say you are keeping him on the current roster in the event he can come back when its impossible to be in the playoffs. Why dont we just get this misery over with and IR him?

[jskinnz]

Really why isn't he? You cant pull the starters after 14-0 and say its for health reasons then say you are keeping him on the current roster in the event he can come back when its impossible to be in the playoffs. Why dont we just get this misery over with and IR him?

My understanding is that he cannot practice with the team while on IR so I would assume they want to see what they have in him from a health standpoint as early as possible. If that comes in November or December then they have a better idea of how to move forward.

[IndyD4U]

Because the have the crazy idea of him playing this year!! Polian made a statement about today saying that he could be "jogging soon and return this year".....I would assume to test him out and see if he'll be able to throw/resemble the "old" Manning

[The Fish]

If we put him on IR the team will have less of an idea where he is at in his recovery. It might be the only thing worth fighting for this season is to keep him off of IR.

[WSO]

pretty much what the other posters said

They want to see how Manning is doing late in the year and how it will translate into next season

lets say hypothetically, Manning starts practicing again and for some reason has lost arm strength, his accuracy dropped off or he just doesn't seem to be the Manning of old, this way the F/O can decide on what to do. Maybe if Manning is playing at that elite level, they won't take Luck in the draft. I'm no GM but this is my guess. If they IR-ed Manning they probably won't get a chance to see what he has till next year after the draft from my understanding.

Edited October 25, 2011 by ssarow

[dn4192]

Because in this case both Polian and Caldwell are *.

[Coltsagent]

Football is a year around sport, they have multiple OTA's/practices between the Super Bowl and the draft. Plenty of time to evaluate. Besides if Manning does not have the arm strength again THAT will be the factor is deciding to draft a QB or not? Isn't that whole way of thinking that got us into this mess? What ever happened to best player vs need?

[swflacoltsfans]

Because Peyton said he doesn't want to go on IR.

[joo 2h]

Because this staff sucks!!!

[Jason_]

Like others have said, if they put him on IR then they have no opportunity to work him out with the team to see how his recovery is coming. This means absolutely nothing in regards to wins/losses but everything to do with what the Colts need to focus on in the offseason..including the draft.

[18Manning]

My understanding is that he cannot practice with the team while on IR so I would assume they want to see what they have in him from a health standpoint as early as possible. If that comes in November or December then they have a better idea of how to move forward.

This is the only thing that makes sense. Regardless of how he performs in practice, I don't think they should bring him back for games.

[Jaric]

It's so he can practice with the team. Jskinnz is right.

[Smitto]

I think the colts are totally serious about playing peyton if he is healthy... then it would give them an idea on where he is... im starting to think he will play at least half of a game really late into the season.

[LaughingAtIrsay]

Because they want him to come back and play a game this season & get injured then put him on there!

[doogansquest]

It has nothing to do with whether or not he will play, and everything to do with his eligibility to practice.

[Hoosier Colts Fan]

It is so he can practice with the team when he is 100%. At this time, there has been no need to put him on IR.

[bayone]

It has nothing to do with whether or not he will play, and everything to do with his eligibility to practice.

Exactly, once on IR u cant practice at all with the team

[Coltsagent]

So we are keeping him on the active roster for PRACTICE? Really? PRACTICE? What are you going to learn from practice? Why does it have to be a practice in this season? What cant you learn from just seeing him throw to a highschool kid in parking lot after the season? He either has the arm strength or he does not. You really need PRACTICE to determine his mental ability? Your kidding me...

What if he plays later in the season...how do we handle that if we want to keep the top pick?

[bayone]

So we are keeping him on the active roster for PRACTICE? Really? PRACTICE? What are you going to learn from practice? Why does it have to be a practice in this season? What cant you learn from just seeing him throw to a highschool kid in parking lot after the season? He either has the arm strength or he does not. You really need PRACTICE to determine his mental ability? Your kidding me...

What if he plays later in the season...how do we handle that if we want to keep the top pick?

Prcatice & timing & arm strength important and throwing to our recivers will help gain arm strength & judge timing and his rehab advancement, Thats is if cleared this year for practice

Edited October 26, 2011 by bayone

[-JJ-]

If there's a chance a player will get some playing time in they don't go on IR.

IR is not a place to hide someone. Imagine you don't want to cut someone over the 53 man roster so you IR him. I doubt the NFL would approve.

Now he could go on the practice squad:)

[Peyton and Eli fan]

here's Eli's comments on Peyton....nothing earthshattering

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7153047/new-york-giants-eli-manning-thinks-brother-indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-play-again

[Andy]

It's because when he's good enough to practice, we want him to be able to take reps in practice and slowly get better; not get too rusty. He probably won't return this year, but we want him to practice. If we put him on IR, he's not allowed to practice with us or to be on sidelines during games.

[Jaric]

It's because when he's good enough to practice, we want him to be able to take reps in practice and slowly get better; not get too rusty. He probably won't return this year, but we want him to practice. If we put him on IR, he's not allowed to practice with us or to be on sidelines during games.

+1, Except I believe he can be on the field during games if he's on IR.

[StampedeU]

If there's a chance a player will get some playing time in they don't go on IR.

IR is not a place to hide someone. Imagine you don't want to cut someone over the 53 man roster so you IR him. I doubt the NFL would approve.

Now he could go on the practice squad:)

I am 99.99999% sure he can't go on the practice squad because he's played more than 3 years. And even if he was eligible we would have to release him, which would make him susceptible to waivers. And I wish you all the best with that one.

Then again you could be completely sarcastic and I failed to catch on :shh:

[Superman]

What good does putting him on IR do? What does that help? We sign a(nother) journeyman lineman, or a(nother) retread defensive back? Why are people so adamant that Manning should, under no circumstances, play football this year? Why not let the doctors decide?

Every indication has been that the doctors haven't ruled him out yet. He's our best quarterback. When he's healthy, he should play, and that's true whether he's healthy in Week 10, Week 15, or next year in Week 5, and it's irrespective of our record at the time when he is cleared by the doctors. They are THE DOCTORS. He won't play, he won't even practice, until such time as he is cleared. Once that happens, assuming it eventually does, I'm more than happy to take the doctors at their word that the man is okay to go.

I know all about sideline coaches, sideline GMs, etc. But sideline doctors? Amazing.

[oldunclemark]

Really why isn't he? You cant pull the starters after 14-0 and say its for health reasons then say you are keeping him on the current roster in the event he can come back when its impossible to be in the playoffs. Why dont we just get this misery over with and IR him?

Manning isnt on IR because he's going to play in December....

When they needed a roster spot...they put Kerry Collins on IR..even though he probably can play sometime in the next 2 months.

I think its important that Manning plays this year so we KNOW if we should draft a QB or not.

...we need to draft defensive help and if Manning comesback healthy..we can concentrate on that with all picks

[oldunclemark]

Manning isnt on IR because he's going to play in December....

When they needed a roster spot...they put Kerry Collins on IR..even though he probably can play sometime in the next 2 months.

I think its important that Manning plays this year so we KNOW if we should draft a QB or not.

...we need to draft defensive help and if Manning comesback healthy..we can concentrate on that with all picks

I understand what the rules are about being on IR and being able to practice but think about it..

If he practices in December and he's able... you need to know if he can do it in game situations...

There's no way a healthy Manning watches while we lose .. It wont happen.

[Coltsagent]

This team IMO has always fed off the energy of the moment, the reason why they before this year played with a high level during national games or the reason why the defense fed off the offense. Most here thinks Manning is on the actice to practice, fine, I dont buy it, but I will take it. As for keeping him active to play...back to my first comment...this team will have NOTHING to play for, so you want to put Manning out there with a team that has no will...what kind of evulation do you really get in that situation? Secondy why have Manning play if there is NO possibility of the playoffs? Just to win a game? Doesn' that just move us down the draft slots? Do you think he is still active becuase of marketing? In other words they do not want to see ticket/revenue slide even further?

Edited October 27, 2011 by Coltsagent

[WoolMagnet]

Today I stopped in a convenience store here in Pa and a girl had a Colts jacket on. I commented that she was obviously smarter than the "local" Steeler and Eagle fans that are everywhere. Anyway, she said she heard that Manning is done for good. As I have not heard that confirmed (other than the comments Irsay made on the golf course to my buddy) , I think maybe some stupid Steeler or eagle fan was just messin' with her. Then about an hour later an idea struck me which I'm surprised I hadn't thought or heard of yet.

Think about it, I feel there is NO WAY Manning plays this year. What would be the purpose? To see if he still has "it"? Maybe. To spark some life in the team or fans? No. To try to get at least one win or save some face? No. It would make NO SENSE to put him out there this year.

Now think about this. If it turns out he is done for good (whether the team and he knows it or not), who would want to see the "GOAT" end his carreer on IR? The team would give him the dignity of being part of the team. He was the main reason for its success so I feel they would give him that respect. More and more, I'm feeling worse about the future of manning on this team. Its only my "gut" feeling, but I've had this feeling (look it up in my posts) since training camp. Add to that what Irsay said to my buddy on the golf course (80% won't be back), and the nature of the injury, i just have a bad feeling. Once again, we have no proof, its just my gut feeling (which rarely is wrong).

HOWEVER, I hope i am wrong this time.

On another note, my buddy played golf again with Irsay and said Irsay made no mention of Manning this time out. He was discussing more about how he had "concerns" about our defense. My buddy said (to me, not Irsay)... "No, really?:

Has anyone else heard any new developments about manning's status because I haven't. I do know Mike and Mike were talking Manning / Luck all morning today. Phil Simms said there is "no way Manning allows team to draft Luck". But with the uncertainty of Manning's future, i just don't see the Colts passing on him if they have the chance.

Of all the reasons Manning is not on IR, this "feeling" of mine makes the most sense to me.

Any thoughts?

Edited October 27, 2011 by WoolMagnet

[GoColts8818]

Several reasons:

1. He can't practice with the team if he's on IR.

2. The team and the people who run it aren't going to buy into suck for Luck so if Manning can play and help them win games they want him to do that to try to save their jobs.

3. The team is going to want to see if Manning can still play or heaven forbid do they need to use their option on him at the end of the year. There is a difference in playing in a game to see that and just doing practices

4. Manning would probably benefit from not missing a whole year and having some reps this year.

5. From a team PR point, if Manning comes back and we win some games it might very well calm the fan base some and save some season ticket sales.

For us as fans we might as well enjoy it if he does get to play. Him missing a whole year doesn't add another year on to the end of his career it's just one less year we get to see Manning play.

Also just for the record, no one is going to rush Manning back just to play him this year. If he plays it means he is 100% healthy to play. So people don't need to worry about him being rushed back to play.

Edited October 28, 2011 by GoColts8818

[PreManningColtsFan]

Really why isn't he? You cant pull the starters after 14-0 and say its for health reasons then say you are keeping him on the current roster in the event he can come back when its impossible to be in the playoffs. Why dont we just get this misery over with and IR him?

I hear ya and I feel the same way. At this stage, I think that all options are in play. One of the options would be to allow Peyton to play in 3 games. In doing so, and let's say he does well, the possibility of trading him is on the table. As unthinkable as that may sound, it's entirely possible. Obviously if we trade him, we have the first pick of the draft to get Luck or we make a trade to get Luck and use the Manning trade to get a ton of draft picks and begin to rebuild this team that has an enormous amount of needs. Or, we keep Peyton and somehow wind up with Luck and still have holes that can be addressed in the draft, pick up some free agents and then keep Manning for a few more years and then release him and start the Luck era. Obviously a ton of hypotheticals here, but I seriously think that all options are and will be considered.

[willysp]

Really why isn't he? You cant pull the starters after 14-0 and say its for health reasons then say you are keeping him on the current roster in the event he can come back when its impossible to be in the playoffs. Why dont we just get this misery over with and IR him?

Ticket sales - especially season tickets next year. Simple.

[Superman]

This team IMO has always fed off the energy of the moment, the reason why they before this year played with a high level during national games or the reason why the defense fed off the offense. Most here thinks Manning is on the actice to practice, fine, I dont buy it, but I will take it. As for keeping him active to play...back to my first comment...this team will have NOTHING to play for, so you want to put Manning out there with a team that has no will...what kind of evulation do you really get in that situation? Secondy why have Manning play if there is NO possibility of the playoffs? Just to win a game? Doesn' that just move us down the draft slots? Do you think he is still active becuase of marketing? In other words they do not want to see ticket/revenue slide even further?

Because he's our best quarterback. If he's healthy, he should play.

[oldunclemark]

Because he's our best quarterback. If he's healthy, he should play.

Superman is 100% right....

..but then....he's the man of steel...

[Lodogg2221]

Some of you guys nailed it.

I heard Phil B talking today about it and he explained it pretty well.

Said they wont IR him as long as he is progressing because regardless of how bad we all want Manning back next season, the Colts need to know that he can still play.

If he cant, and wont, they draft Luck if they are in position to do so.

He also said that there are rumblings that neither Manning nor Luck will be on the same team. Said Manning will not allow the Colts to draft Luck.

Said that with all the time invested in Manning, they need to build around him to improve the team, not trade Manning and get Luck (the only way the Colts end up with Luck on the roster).

One other thing he mentioned that I didnt care for but its possible, is that the Colts trade Manning and get Luck anyway, even if he can play.

Said that if Luck is as good as advertised, and he mentioned that every indication so far is that he is (but then we all know its not the NFL), that Luck is 15 years of winning, vs the 3-5 that Manning would give. The Colts would HAVE to at least discuss it and look into it if thats the case.

Personally, I think they stick with Manning, and that he will be back.

If they get the 1st draft pick, they can trade it for a couple draft picks this year, and maybe a future pick or two, and really help the team, and Manning.

Basically, they will need Manning on the field regardless of what they intend to do, because if they keep him, they need to know he can play. If they intend to trade him, they need other teams to see he can still play...

I cant believe I just typed anything about trading Manning...makes me sick to think about it, but it is a possibility. I just hope its an extremely remote one...

[Coltsagent]

How about this food for thought...everybody at a min wants Peyton back next year in full health, but what if he does play so they can evulate him, but in doing so he picks up some wins and bumps us to the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft at which time we have to go defense? Get the Luck out of the draw.

[The Fish]

All the speculation is useless to me, because it's just a matter of waiting. I'd say this would take care of it's self if we could win a dang game.

[Peyton and Eli fan]

He's not on IR because he doesn't want to be on IR.

[oldunclemark]

You're overthinking it..

He's not on injured reserve because they think he's going to play again this year.

Just like everybody else who's injured but not on injured reserve..

[Andy]

If there's a chance a player will get some playing time in they don't go on IR.

IR is not a place to hide someone. Imagine you don't want to cut someone over the 53 man roster so you IR him. I doubt the NFL would approve.

Now he could go on the practice squad:)

He's not eligible because he's played more than 9 games, and even if he was he would have to go through waivers I believe...and that means that someone would pick him up.