We just got robbed!

[tahuyaman 0]

It was as obvious a fumble as can be. The receiver made about 3 football moves. Real time

A player can make all the "football moves" he wants.  The "football moves" need to be conducted while he also has full control of the ball. 

[tahuyaman 0]

I agree.  It has been ridiculous this year.  It is time for full time refs.

At least someone gets it.  whew......

[ColtsBlueFL 4,384]

oh shut up.  i said what i know to be true.  I am not going to do your homework for you.  Tripplett said after the CIN debacle that he only reviewed the goaline.  Look it up yourself.  Second, do you really not know that the coaches and analysts are not to talk crap about officials???  i said nothing that needs proven to anyone with an average football IQ.  You are proving in this thread that you are lacking.   You originally were saying this was incomplete for the same reasons the Calvin Johnson TD play when he went to the ground VS the bears was incomplete. 

 

 YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU KEEP QUOTE MIKE PEREIRA THINKING IT PROVES SOMETHING.  IT DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING!   

 

It's claim of fact, your burden of proof.  Not on me to prove your point. But being nice, I tried anyway and found a link, but they pulled the video.  It's a conspiracy! Right?

 

Next, you claim my explanations were unrelated and then you go talk about calls in previous games.  You can't have it both ways. (besides, there was no definitive replay showing Chapman tripping the runner, just looked very possible.  I thought I had a shot where his hand tripped a foot, and another said no it was the other foot, Someone else said overhead shot was only decent angle, but they never showed that much. Shows there's not clear cut replay for an overturn.  But I thought it was down by contact)

 

Then you state:  You originally were saying this was incomplete for the same reasons the Calvin Johnson TD play when he went to the ground VS the bears was incomplete. 

 

Not true!  Here is my first post on the subject.  I continue to stick by that until someone shows me a video of the dude taking 3 steps with the ball completely secure before getting it knocked out. I'll change my mind.  Until then, try to muster some reading comprehension and get back to me on the content.  http://forums.colts.com/topic/24481-we-just-got-robbed/#entry684306

 

Hint: Ref judged he had juggled the ball so never had full possession.    That is the point of dispute on this play that replay had to prove wrong.

 

The only reason the Johnson thing was even mentioned  was to try to illustrate (not very well, apparently) that what appears to be a catch or possession isn't always what fans think.  Neither player was deemed to be in possession, or complete the catch,  and their pass incomplete.  One the ground knocked it loose, the other an opponent.  But fans think both were a catch.  So this disparity between what fans think and refs call is a disconnect in interpreting the rules and judgement.  I did not nean to invoke the 'going to the ground part, but without explaining it well, I can see it being inferred by some.

 

You tend to distort items to create a straw man. So, you are also more credible than the former VP of Officiating?  Get real.

[BOTT 1,314]

How did that work out?

Way to not say anything

[braveheartcolt 1,394]

Do you have a video or .gif shoeing that, with firm control/possession of the football?  I showed two refs simultaneously signalling Incomplete from two distincltly different angles, and the one went further and made the juggling (not in control of the ball) motions.  You have to show proof that did NOT happen (have firm proof the ball was not moving as in maybe not in full control)  in order for 3 steps, football moves (no such thing anymore in the rules for the last few years), dancing with the stars or anything else comes into play.. And I saw in real time it was a bang-bang play. You don't get ban=bang plays when someone gets 3 steps.  Former Vice President of NFL officiating agrees-

 

Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira22 Dec

That was a bang-bang play in KC - in real time, you have to stay with the call there.

 

So not everybody sees it the same. I wonder what folks here would be saying about that play if that was TY Hilton getting the ball knocked out. I already know the answer to that,I fear.

It was a fumble. He had control. And yes I have it on game pass, and watched it several times. You are wrong. Totally wrong.

[braveheartcolt 1,394]

A player can make all the "football moves" he wants.  The "football moves" need to be conducted while he also has full control of the ball. 

He had full control. It was a mistake by the officials, certainly on the replay.

[ColtsBlueFL 4,384]

Way to not say anything

pot... meet kettle.

[ColtsBlueFL 4,384]

It was a fumble. He had control. And yes I have it on game pass, and watched it several times. You are wrong. Totally wrong.

 Well I have NFL rewind, but I'm waiting for someone to show me... but no one has so now I will have to find time to go in rewind and do a frame by frame.  Don't know what I'll find but in real time, and in slo-mo  replay on DVR I kind of sided with Refs.  If rewind on my PC shows me  the ball didn't move any at all and he had clear control and possession and had become a runner,  as the catch had been completed, I'll admit it.  but if not... well ...

 

I'll also document those 3 full steps (or lack of) people have been adamant about.

[BOTT 1,314]

pot... meet kettle.

No, I said the refs were incorrect. You wrote a response....just to have a response.

[ricker182 158]

Why does no one have a .gif if the play?

[ColtsBlueFL 4,384]

No, I said the refs were incorrect. You wrote a response....just to have a response.

 

However, that's not all you said.  Are you sure you didn't add this?  

 

".that's why they have replay. "

 

And that comment is what my question addressed, rhetorical though it may seem to be, it does have an answer.  Does replay always correct the wrongs in real time? 

 

{Now you have another chance to answer and address the above}

[BOTT 1,314]

However, that's not all you said.  Are you sure you didn't add this?  

 

".that's why they have replay. "

 

And that comment is what my question addressed, rhetorical though it may seem to be, it does have an answer.  Does replay always correct the wrongs in real time? 

 

{Now you have another chance to answer and address the above}

No, but that wasn't my point. I found his comment bizarre. On a bang bang play why would they go with the old dudes on the field wearing bi focals instead of replay where you can look at it multiple times. That makes no sense to me.

[tahuyaman 0]

He had full control. It was a mistake by the officials, certainly on the replay.

If the replay couldn't overturn the call on the field, maybe hat suggests you are the one mistaken? Could it be? Could you be wrwrwrwrwrong?

[Superman 9,189]

No, but that wasn't my point. I found his comment bizarre. On a bang bang play why would they go with the old dudes on the field wearing bi focals instead of replay where you can look at it multiple times. That makes no sense to me.

 

It's definitely a blurry line, but the reason for replay is to correct clearly wrong plays. 

[House 17]

If the replay couldn't overturn the call on the field, maybe hat suggests you are the one mistaken? Could it be? Could you be wrwrwrwrwrong?

Oh replay is infallible now?

I guess the NFL was wrong when they said they messed up the Bengles TD against us, after they reviewed it. Weird....

[Cynjin 1,016]

If the replay couldn't overturn the call on the field, maybe hat suggests you are the one mistaken? Could it be? Could you be wrwrwrwrwrong?

 

And one could say that if everyone that saw the same play as you and everyone but one or two think that you are wrwrwrwrong, maybe that suggests that you are mistaken.

[BOTT 1,314]

It's definitely a blurry line, but the reason for replay is to correct clearly wrong plays.

I get that. It was a close play, but it thought it was clear. Not that kind of call I'm going to lose sleep over however.

[tahuyaman 0]

And one could say that if everyone that saw the same play as you and everyone but one or two think that you are wrwrwrwrong, maybe that suggests that you are mistaken.

When the final result is not what all many wanted, maybe some are simply looking at it theough homer glasses?

[tahuyaman 0]

Utilizing some objectivity is not always a bad thing.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Utilizing some objectivity is not always a bad thing.

Yeah..you should try it sometime.

[Cynjin 1,016]

When the final result is not what all many wanted, maybe some are simply looking at it theough homer glasses?

 

It seems to me that many unbiased people (i.e. analysts, former players) that commented on it also said that the ref got it wrong.  Which still leaves just you and a couple of others.  It seems less plausible that >98% of the people that saw that play are wrong but the < 2%, like yourself, are correct.

[tahuyaman 0]

Yeah..you should try it sometime.

I am completely objestive here.  I don't view events with the prejudiced homer bias.  I can see why things happen the way they did.

[tahuyaman 0]

It seems to me that many unbiased people (i.e. analysts, former players) that commented on it also said that the ref got it wrong.  Which still leaves just you and a couple of others.  It seems less plausible that >98% of the people that saw that play are wrong but the < 2%, like yourself, are correct.

I'll stick with the reality of the situation. 

 

Liker I said. I can understan why the replay did not overturn the call on the field.  These things happen.  Sometimes one needs to live with it. 

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

I am completely objestive here.  I don't view events with the prejudiced homer bias.  I can see why things happen the way they did.

Neither do I.  Neither do a lot of good posters on here.  But you for some reason you seem to want to attack anyone that says anything that could be even be considered homerism.

[House 17]

I am completely objestive here. I don't view events with the prejudiced homer bias. I can see why things happen the way they did.

What's the meaning of life? Guide me oh great Shepard. Lead the blind who cannot see the way without your wisdom.

[tahuyaman 0]

What's the meaning of life? Guide me oh great Shepard. Lead the blind who cannot see the way without your wisdom.

There is no universal meaning of life.  Life means different things to different people.  To me, life is about having as much fun as possible for as long as possible.

[tahuyaman 0]

Neither do I.  Neither do a lot of good posters on here.  But you for some reason you seem to want to attack anyone that says anything that could be even be considered homerism.

I can see most people here are just like most everywwhere.  They have their bias and let their objectivity get tainted a bit.

[tahuyaman 0]

It seems to me that many unbiased people (i.e. analysts, former players) that commented on it also said that the ref got it wrong.  Which still leaves just you and a couple of others.  It seems less plausible that >98% of the people that saw that play are wrong but the < 2%, like yourself, are correct.

Honestly, there are very few unbiased people out there.  Analysts included.  The only truly unbiased, or the least biased analyst I can identify is John Clayton.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

I can see most people here are just like most everywwhere.  They have their bias and let their objectivity get tainted a bit.

You are just like most trolls.  You bring nothing to the table besides your displeasure with how the very people you are conversing with are conducting the forum in which you somehow find yourself entitled to reign over.

[House 17]

There is no universal meaning of life. Life means different things to different people. To me, life is about having as much fun as possible for as long as possible.

The correct answer is 42. Sorry. You are not the one.

[Kyle 142]

 

You tend to distort items to create a straw man. So, you are also more credible than the former VP of Officiating?  Get real.

[Franklin County 80]

We got robbed but played well enough to overcome the refs mistakes.

This team is getting better every week. Everything is coming together at the right time. Getting ready to make some noise in the playoffs.

[tahuyaman 0]

You are just like most trolls.  You bring nothing to the table besides your displeasure with how the very people you are conversing with are conducting the forum in which you somehow find yourself entitled to reign over.

Why is it that when someone can't respond to a differing opinion, they automaticall go into insult mode?  Is that just an internet thing?

 

Also, in your attempt to look intelligent, you just made yourself look foolish.

[jvan1973 5,332]

Why is it that when someone can't respond to a differing opinion, they automaticall go into insult mode? Is that just an internet thing?

you still haven't sited specific incidents in the game that made it the most one sided you have ever seen

[tahuyaman 0]

you still haven't sited specific incidents in the game that made it the most one sided you have ever seen

The timliness of the penalties.  Plus the penalties themselves.  A horse-collar which wasn't, the taunting which wasn't.  Vitually every penalty the Chiefs had took away a momentum building play. 

 

I don't know why you are having such a difficult time coming to grips with it.  That game was just another example of the type of officiating we have seen over and over in nearly every game this season.

 

And the officiating has nothing to do with bias or fixing games so to speak. Officials get caught up in the game.  They develop tunnel vision and start looking for certain things instead of looking at the game as a whole/

 

In one game Sunday, I saw an offiial grab the flag in his pocket preparing to throw it while the QB was calling the signals.  When the play was run, he threw the flag.  I figured the penalty was illegal formation or some other pre snap infraction.  It was offensive holding.  Was the official omnipotent?  Did he know the left guard was going to hold before the left guard knew?

[tahuyaman 0]

You are just like most trolls.  You bring nothing to the table besides your displeasure with how the very people you are conversing with are conducting the forum in which you somehow find yourself entitled to reign over.

That being said........ Merry Christmas to you too.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Why is it that when someone can't respond to a differing opinion, they automaticall go into insult mode?  Is that just an internet thing?

 

Also, in your attempt to look intelligent, you just made yourself look foolish.

I'm not the one who looks foolish here.  

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

The timliness of the penalties.  Plus the penalties themselves.  A horse-collar which wasn't, the taunting which wasn't.  Vitually every penalty the Chiefs had took away a momentum building play. 

 

I don't know why you are having such a difficult time coming to grips with it.  That game was just another example of the type of officiating we have seen over and over in nearly every game this season.

 

And the officiating has nothing to do with bias or fixing games so to speak. Officials get caught up in the game.  They develop tunnel vision and start looking for certain things instead of looking at the game as a whole/

 

In one game Sunday, I saw an offiial grab the flag in his pocket preparing to throw it while the QB was calling the signals.  When the play was run, he threw the flag.  I figured the penalty was illegal formation or some other pre snap infraction.  It was offensive holding.  Was the official omnipotent?  Did he know the left guard was going to hold before the left guard knew?

Ummm what?  The horse collar tackle was a horse collar tackle.  His hand was inside his pads.  And how can you argue the taunting flag?  He was obviously taunting...You say none of us are being objective, but I thinks it's clear you just have no clue what you are talking about.

[tahuyaman 0]

I'm not the one who looks foolish here.  

That's a sign that you are looking foolish.  Quite often foolish people don't know they're looking foolish.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

That's a sign that you are looking foolish.  Quite often foolish people don't know they're looking foolish.

Please enlighten me then.