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haha...Flacco elite.  Good one.

Elite like Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers - maybe not. But his team has won a playoff game in every year since he has been QB for them. He has the most road playoff wins in the history of the league and oh yeah, won the Super Bowl last year. In fact in the last 2 AFC Championship games, he has outplayed Brady.

And to the point that I was making - I would fear Flacco infinitely more than Alex Smith.

So what else you got?

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Hasnt been that way for half the season. AFC South is the laughing stock of the league. Take out Indy and 6-10 would be good enough to take the whole thing. Nobody takes the Colts division title seriously.

Washington has quit....NYGs have quit

 

Jax..Tenn are still playing hard

 

..and every body in the NFC East could be .500 or below (although I think Phily wont)

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Elite like Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers - maybe not. But his team has won a playoff game in every year since he has been QB for them. He has the most road playoff wins in the history of the league and oh yeah, won the Super Bowl last year. In fact in the last 2 AFC Championship games, he has outplayed Brady.

And to the point that I was making - I would fear Flacco infinitely more than Alex Smith.

So what else you got?

Don't try to hedge your bet.  You said Flacco is elite.  He is not, and not even close.  "And to the point I was making...."  -when did I mention Alex Smith?  I wasn't arguing that part of it.  I called you out for saying Flacco is an elite quarterback.  What else you got?  See, I can be condescending too.

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Don't try to hedge your bet.  You said Flacco is elite.  He is not, and not even close.  "And to the point I was making...."  -when did I mention Alex Smith?  I wasn't arguing that part of it.  I called you out for saying Flacco is an elite quarterback.  What else you got?  See, I can be condescending too.

Semantics - elite has varying definitions with NFL QB's. I don't think it is debatable that he is clearly one of the top QB's in the league.

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Flacco is awful. I'd rather play the Ravens than the Chiefs.

You can make an intelligent argument about want to play the Chiefs over the Ravens. Personally I would not but I get how that point could be made. You cannot however make an intelligent argument that Flacco is "awful."

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Semantics - elite has varying definitions with NFL QB's. I don't think it is debatable that he is clearly one of the top QB's in the league.

Peyton Manning

Tom Brady

Aaron Rodgers

Drew Brees

Andrew Luck

Russell Wilson

Ben Roethlisberger

Phillip Rivers

Cam Newton

 

There's 9 quarterbacks that are EASILY better than Joe Flacco.  You could throw in Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, Colin Kaepernick, and Matthew Stafford, but those are debatable.

 

I'm not trying to offend you, but calling Flacco a top QB shows a complete lack of understanding of the quarterback position.

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Statistically Joe is middle of the pack, except for this year where he is worse. He has never been to a pro bowl or had a season where he has thrown for more than 25 TDs. He is however very good situationally which is why his teams have won as much as the defense and STs. Not sure anyone can deny his wins but how much he has contributed to those wins  is up for debate with exception of last season's post-season run which was just superb but also far from the norm of how he plays.

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58.9 completion (25th), 6.58 YPA (30th), 76.5 passer rating (30th), 3.4 TD% (30th), 3.2 INT% (25th) -16% DVOA (36th), 1:1 TD int ratio, 8 fumbles

 

Well done. Better than I expected from you. Still does not rise to the level of awful - not close. Especially true,when considering his record & performance in the playoffs, not to mention his Super Bowl win.

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Peyton Manning

Tom Brady

Aaron Rodgers

Drew Brees

Andrew Luck

Russell Wilson

Ben Roethlisberger

Phillip Rivers

Cam Newton

 

There's 9 quarterbacks that are EASILY better than Joe Flacco.  You could throw in Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, Colin Kaepernick, and Matthew Stafford, but those are debatable.

 

I'm not trying to offend you, but calling Flacco a top QB shows a complete lack of understanding of the quarterback position.

 

I have a complete understanding of the QB position. And what I know is that the guy wins, consistently. Isn't that all that matters? When the game is on the line, I believe he will pull out a win. Same type of faith that I have in Luck - may not always be pretty but he gets it done.

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Well done. Better than I expected from you. Still does not rise to the level of awful - not close. 

 

He's bottom ten in every relevant statistical category. You and I must have a different definition of awful. 

 

Especially true,when considering his record & performance in the playoffs, not to mention his Super Bowl win.

 

 

 

>wins

 

>QB stat

 

Pick one. 

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Pretty sure I already did. Wins trump all.

You missed his point. Wins are not a QB stat and are invalid in grading a QB. Saying hes good because his team wins is not a valid argument. Fact is, Flacco is worse than some backups this year. A far cry from elite.
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You missed his point. Wins are not a QB stat and are invalid in grading a QB. Saying hes good because his team wins is not a valid argument. Fact is, Flacco is worse than some backups this year. A far cry from elite.

Sorry we went down this rabbit hole.

I believe Flacco is an excellent QB whose Ravens team would provide a bigger challenge for the Colts in the playoffs than the Alex Smith led Chiefs, largely because he is superior to Smith.

I believe that Flacco is outstanding in clutch moments.

I believe that the Ravens win more times than not because of Flacco and not in spite of him.

Flacco is not close to an "awful" QB.

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We were having a decent debate and then this...

If you want to use a wins trump all argument then I'm going to play down to that level too.  

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If you want to use a wins trump all argument then I'm going to play down to that level too.

 

What are your impressions of Luck?

I personally think he is outstanding and will eventually lead the Colts to Super Bowls. I think he is outstanding despite periods of play that make you scratch your head. There are not too many QB's I would rather have right now in clutch situations than Luck. He is a winner.

That is what I think of Flacco and why I think the Colts would fare better against Chiefs than the Ravens, should it come to that.

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What are your impressions of Luck?

I personally think he is outstanding and will eventually lead the Colts to Super Bowls. I think he is outstanding despite periods of play that make you scratch your head. There are not too many QB's I would rather have right now in clutch situations than Luck. He is a winner.

That is what I think of Flacco and why I think the Colts would fare better against Chiefs than the Ravens, should it come to that.

Situationally Flacco is very good but that was not even the case prior to two seasons ago. He had some abysmal playoff performances prior to 2011 that left Ed Reed saying he had to play better for the Ravens to have a chance which Joe did in the AFCCG in 2012 and of course last year's playoff run.

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