So The Colts/polians And Such Are Not Allowed A Bad Season?

[NM_Colts]

has it gone into the negatives yet? lol

It would if there weren't a quota on the red -1 negative votes.

[dn4192]

Ah yes, hyperbole. Always good to see a flawed argument based on that.

We got embarassed on national television by almost 60 points. In the process of sustaining that butt whipping we watched (along with everyone in America) our team give up and roll over. That is unacceptable. The level of performance of this team is unacceptable (even taking into account a reasonable drop off from missing Manning) The level of coaching is unacceptable. Our decision regarding personel are unacceptable.

We're not mad because we haven't already won the superbowl. We're mad because we went from elite team to laughingstock of the league in a span of 7 weeks.

Our front office has been depanced and many of us are aknowledging it.

You are free of course live in denial and pretend that isn't the case. However, in the process, please refrain from misrepresenting reasonable frustrations expressed on this forum, to avoid having to deal with the reality of this team and the failure surrounding it.

Go Horse.

Ah yes, hyperbole. Always good to see a flawed argument based on that.

We got embarassed on national television by almost 60 points. In the process of sustaining that butt whipping we watched (along with everyone in America) our team give up and roll over. That is unacceptable. The level of performance of this team is unacceptable (even taking into account a reasonable drop off from missing Manning) The level of coaching is unacceptable. Our decision regarding personel are unacceptable.

We're not mad because we haven't already won the superbowl. We're mad because we went from elite team to laughingstock of the league in a span of 7 weeks.

Our front office has been depanced and many of us are aknowledging it.

You are free of course live in denial and pretend that isn't the case. However, in the process, please refrain from misrepresenting reasonable frustrations expressed on this forum, to avoid having to deal with the reality of this team and the failure surrounding it.

Go Horse.

wow this franchise has fallen in 7 games and is unfixable by those running the show even though they have continually put pieces in place to keep this franchise in the playoffs and winning side of the score board for over a decade...wow....

[Jaric]

wow this franchise has fallen in 7 games and is unfixable by those running the show even though they have continually put pieces in place to keep this franchise in the playoffs and winning side of the score board for over a decade...wow....

Child please.

We have never had a consistantly good defense the entire time Manning has been here. Our offensive line issues have been going on since Tarik Glenn retired and we haven't been able to run the ball since Addai's rookie year.

They have had ample time to address these issues and have not. We instead built a hot house orchid of a defense and hoped that Manning would be able to play well enough so that our lack of running game and offensive line play didn't cause us to lose games.

Well, the front office made their bed, and as the saying goes now they have to lie down in it.

[chad72]

I know for a fact Bill Walsh would rant at times. heck I've seen video of it on NFL films.

I think I speak for everyone when I say we all had tempered expectations of this team without Manning. Not only has the team failed to meet even the most basic of standard of play, it's been downright embarassing.

I can handle losing. Giving up, not so much.

Caldwell is probably aware of what happened to Mora the year after the rant (though it was his DC related issue that caused his dismissal), maybe he thinks it might save his job if he did not use superlatives to describe our performance .

[Nadine]

62-7 is way outside the realm of a 'Bad Season'. I am thinking wistfully now of weeks 1 - 6

Whatever we need to do, I believe we will do. I'm interested to see what that is.

[Jaric]

Caldwell is probably aware of what happened to Mora the year after the rant (though it was his DC related issue that caused his dismissal), maybe he thinks it might save his job if he did not use superlatives to describe our performance .

My remaining hope for this season is a memorable press conference meltdown.

[dn4192]

Child please.

We have never had a consistantly good defense the entire time Manning has been here. Our offensive line issues have been going on since Tarik Glenn retired and we haven't been able to run the ball since Addai's rookie year.

They have had ample time to address these issues and have not. We instead built a hot house orchid of a defense and hoped that Manning would be able to play well enough so that our lack of running game and offensive line play didn't cause us to lose games.

Well, the front office made their bed, and as the saying goes now they have to lie down in it.

And yet we won. Our offense wasn't built to run the ball that much, enough of a play action. Again I am not saying there are not issues to be addressed, but unlike most I am at least willing to give Polian and company some time to fix it and do it with high quality draft picks, something we have not had in a long while.

[WSO]

Caldwell is just holding it all in

after the last game of the season, he will let it all out in that post game conference, I'm talking expletives, crying, emotional breakdown, excessive use of the middle finger..the whole shabang.

[John Waylon]

My remaining hope for this season is a memorable press conference meltdown.

Agreed.

[dn4192]

62-7 is way outside the realm of a 'Bad Season'. I am thinking wistfully now of weeks 1 - 6

Whatever we need to do, I believe we will do. I'm interested to see what that is.

My guess is nothing will be done until the season is over. Polians will sit down with Caldwell and address a number of issues, and I believe they will come to conclusion that some changes in the coaching staff will need to happen and they will work with Caldwell if he wants to, to decide "whom" they are wanting to bring in. If Caldwell isn't open to change as Mora wasn't then I could see them letting him go. But I don't see Caldwell being that type of coach. I see both Polians spending the majority of the draft outside of the first pick on defense. The first pick is the elephant in the room. If they have the number 1 pick do they take Luck or trade it for multiple picks? I would hope they would take Luck, but I also won't go crazy if they trade it for a couple other picks.

[Jaric]

And yet we won. Our offense wasn't built to run the ball that much, enough of a play action. Again I am not saying there are not issues to be addressed, but unlike most I am at least willing to give Polian and company some time to fix it and do it with high quality draft picks, something we have not had in a long while.

Who here remembers the stretch play? Anyone? Used to be a staple of our offense when we had the semblence of a balanced attack. Yeah, what happened to that?

Once again, Polian has been trying to build a defense since he got here and failed. Our running game and offensive lines have failed for going on 3/4 years now.

At what point to we stop doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results? If Polian hasn't built a competent defense by now, he isn't going to.

Edited October 24, 2011 by Jaric

[Jaric]

Caldwell is just holding it all in

after the last game of the season, he will let it all out in that post game conference, I'm talking expletives, crying, emotional breakdown, excessive use of the middle finger..the whole shabang.

I'm not going to be satisfied unless it tops Denny Green's "they are who we thought they were!"

Although if we get at least a good one liner like "I'm a man! I'm 40!" then I guess we'll have to call that a win.

[WSO]

Who here remembers the stretch play? Anyone? Used to be a staple of our offense when we had the semblence of a balanced attack.

Once again, Polian has been trying to build a defense since he got here and failed. Our running game and offensive lines have failed for going on 3/4 years now.

At what point to we stop doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results? If Polian hasn't built a competent defense by now, he isn't going to.

I sure do

I remember cursing at the TV every time they ran that darn stretch play the past 2 seasons because it always ended up in negative yardage or maybe a 1 or 2 yard gain at best.

[Jaric]

I sure do

I remember cursing at the TV every time they ran that darn stretch play the past 2 seasons because it always ended up in negative yardage or maybe a 1 or 2 yard gain at best.

I know right?

Remember when that used to be effective? We could run play action without linebackers laughing at us.

[NM_Colts]

Caldwell is just holding it all in

after the last game of the season, he will let it all out in that post game conference, I'm talking expletives, crying, emotional breakdown, excessive use of the middle finger..the whole shabang.

"The Saints are who we thought they were... and we let them take the field. Now if you want to crown their backsides then crown them but the Saints are who we THOUGHT they were!!!!"

[SoldierColtsFan]

Lets see...I bet if you asked ANY Colt fan back in 1998 the following question all would say heck Yes..

You can draft Petyon Manning, build a franchise on his shoulders, have a decade of winning football with 2 SB appearances and a SB Title in that span, but at some point you are going to have a horrible season would you do it?

That is not the point. The point is flying right over your head, you have to look beyond the surface, beyond the W/L record. This squad is devoid of true defensive talent at CB, is razor thin at LB, they have 2 pass rushing specialists at DE w/o a starting caliber DT who can get a push consistantly, Bethea has regressed this year and the SS has been on IR for years( both Sanders and Bullitt). It became pretty obvious to the casual fan around the time Miami ran for 200 yards against them in the playoffs that they needed to start building a better defense to compliment the offense, it has been over 10 years, they have failed. Manning has masked this fact by playing near flawless football, he wins in spite of the defense and special teams. The lack of quality depth and talent rests at the top, and that is the point.

[DILLIGAFER]

Why should any fan or any player be happy with a bad season? Or be like.. gee, its ok guys. W are getting our butts handed to us week in and week out, but we are due a bad year because we have had so many good ones. Where is the rational thought in thinking its ok? Holy crap.

[dn4192]

That is not the point. The point is flying right over your head, you have to look beyond the surface, beyond the W/L record. This squad is devoid of true defensive talent at CB, is razor thin at LB, they have 2 pass rushing specialists at DE w/o a starting caliber DT who can get a push consistantly, Bethea has regressed this year and the SS has been on IR for years( both Sanders and Bullitt). It became pretty obvious to the casual fan around the time Miami ran for 200 yards against them in the playoffs that they needed to start building a better defense to compliment the offense, it has been over 10 years, they have failed. Manning has masked this fact by playing near flawless football, he wins in spite of the defense and special teams. The lack of quality depth and talent rests at the top, and that is the point.

Winning is winning. Look at this year's World Series. There is no way the St. Louis Cards are the best overall team in baseball but are on the verge of winning the world series. The only thing that matters in sports is winning, fan's don't care "how" you do it, just that you do it. Yes the defense has had flaws, it had major flaws in the season we won the SB but no cared because we won. If Peyton comes back next season and say the Colts win 11-12 games and get to the playoffs no one is going to care about anything except that we are winning.

Look at his years GB Packers, their defense isn't anything to write home about, heck they let a rookie QB (Panthers QB) do real well against and just barley beat the lowly Panthers by 7 points. They had to fight tooth an nail this past weekend aganist another rookie QB and just did win...I bet their fans are not screaming ...our defense is not that good...They are undefeated because they have the Best QB in the game right now. It's not how you win, just win baby...

[dn4192]

Why should any fan or any player be happy with a bad season? Or be like.. gee, its ok guys. W are getting our butts handed to us week in and week out, but we are due a bad year because we have had so many good ones. Where is the rational thought in thinking its ok? Holy crap.

Didn't say be "happy" with it, I hope it tickes them all off. What I have said is that seasons like this happen, you lose, you suck and you know what, you bounce back, make some changes and get back on the winning track. Won't you don't do is go off crazy like many are wanting with massive wholesale changes when it's only been 7 games.

[thetigerfox]

:ttth: :thdown: gtho :ribbon:

See, now I make as much sense as Dn does!

Edited October 24, 2011 by thetigerfox

[dn4192]

What makes sense is to accept this season for what it is. Sit back and see what the coaches, GM and owner do about it in the offseason and next year. At that point if no significant improvement is seen, then get ladyy and moan, but at this point it is just pointless.

[indycoltsman1967]

The problem isn't a bad season...it's the poor way this team has been built for years and a g.m. who is a atten ....well you know what I mean we have an undersized defense that cant stop the run and a secondary that that is so overwhelmed talent wise we have to run the tampa 2 coverage so you have to bring your line backers up to shore up the run game and you get dumped of for 7 yards a pop. Then they if the fall back the line cant stop the run and you get hit for 7 yards a pop. The defense being undersized is leading to the injuries and gets the line pushed around like school girls. Now are ends are some of the best in the league but the way they whip around takes them right out of the play and ineffective at stopping the run or keeping the gaps closed. our corners completely suck and would not start anywhere else in the league. hence is why we never go man coverage..... Now the o line Polian has made some horrendous trades and bringing in a rookie on a blind side to protect the the qb....ARE YOU FRIGGAN KIDDING ME!

Now to the coaching, we have a completely new coaching staff lead by a person who will buck up to Polian or has the knowledge or skills to be an nfl head coach. Our offensive play calling has been a joke. How many 3rd and shorts are we going to see the pass.... I know why they are calling them... because the o line cant open the gaps and our first string running back hasn't ran down hill in years, trys to juke extra yards and has neither the speed , agility or the skills to do so.... just a couple of my thoughts... If I had more time I'd list more.......

[thetigerfox]

What makes sense is to accept this season for what it is. Sit back and see what the coaches, GM and owner do about it in the offseason and next year. At that point if no significant improvement is seen, then get ladyy and moan, but at this point it is just pointless.

yes pointless to try and fix a problem, I see, so don't try to fix a problem... gotcha, u really must be Polian.lol

[dn4192]

yes pointless to try and fix a problem, I see, so don't try to fix a problem... gotcha, u really must be Polian.lol

No you fix in the problems in the offseason. How exactly would you have them change them in mid season?

[FanFromtheWasteland]

What makes sense is to accept this season for what it is. Sit back and see what the coaches, GM and owner do about it in the offseason and next year. At that point if no significant improvement is seen, then get ladyy and moan, but at this point it is just pointless.

There has been too much of this already. So you want to waste yet another year, bury your head in the sand and hope that it all has been a bad dream?

[thetigerfox]

No you fix in the problems in the offseason. How exactly would you have them change them in mid season?

Fire Polian and the coaches, thats a start, why wait?

[dn4192]

There has been too much of this already. So you want to waste yet another year, bury your head in the sand and hope that it all has been a bad dream?

Okay...do you really think any changes can happen right now that will massivly improve this team at this point? Change doesn't happen over night, it takes time and with what issues the Colts need to address, needs in influx of new talent which you can't bring in now, but in the offseason via the draft.

[thetigerfox]

No you fix in the problems in the offseason. How exactly would you have them change them in mid season?

And they have had plenty of off season to fix the problems, they just don't.

[dn4192]

Fire Polian and the coaches, thats a start, why wait?

Because Polian isn't the problem and say you fire the coaches, how many HC changes occur during the midseason on the level you are calling for in the NFL?

[dn4192]

And they have had plenty of off season to fix the problems, they just don't.

They thought they had, some players have gotten hurt, others have not played up to their ability and we spent our top picks on the OL which needed help. Again when you only have 6-7 picks in the draft and they are coming later in the rounds there is only so much you can do.

[FanFromtheWasteland]

Okay...do you really think any changes can happen right now that will massivly improve this team at this point? Change doesn't happen over night, it takes time and with what issues the Colts need to address, needs in influx of new talent which you can't bring in now, but in the offseason via the draft.

No I don't however I don't want to waste yet another year before I maybe start thinking about making changes. What does waiting that extra year help.

Edited October 24, 2011 by FanFromtheWasteland

[BillCowher]

Beleive it or not I agree with most of what dn4192 stated except for Caldwell. I have faith in Polian as long as he stays out of game day decisions. Irsay is the best thing that has happened to Indy since the Simons'. Caldwell I completely disagree! Polian and Irsay have a proven track record and they have earned my respect and patience. Caldwell has earned nothing. He was handed a super bowl winning team from a great coach with maybe the best QB of all time. He squandered a perfect season that might very well impacted the SB (I know this is a very arguable position), have made many very questionable calls, have taken a team full of pro-bowlers and turned it into a 0-7 embaressament. Without Manning Caldwell is completely clueless! He has been exposed.

[Jaric]

What makes sense is to accept this season for what it is. Sit back and see what the coaches, GM and owner do about it in the offseason and next year. At that point if no significant improvement is seen, then get ladyy and moan, but at this point it is just pointless.

You're right.

Next year is the year they finally put together a competent defense. I bet our offensive line turns into a mobile great wall of China and Delone Carter breaks every relevant record for running backs.

Now, this approach will be appropriate when we hire a new front office and coaching staff, because those changes will take some time. But Polian has been here how long? If he was going to build a good defense, it would have happened by now.

[JoKeR]

I'm not going to be satisfied unless it tops Denny Green's "they are who we thought they were!"

Although if we get at least a good one liner like "I'm a man! I'm 40!" then I guess we'll have to call that a win.

He could start with " we need more dawgs, NOT Cats!"

[JoKeR]

Need more dawgs...

[Jaric]

He could start with " we need more dawgs, NOT Cats!"

I'm hoping he conducts the entire press conference without speaking, only holding up pictures of appropriate LOLcats.

[Jaric]

Need more dawgs...

"We don't need no meowsssss."

ROFL

[JoKeR]

I just want to mention that the title of this thread angers me. My answer is heck no, not like this.

teams are not really allowed to have bad games, players get benched, fired but the OP suggests the FO can have a terrible season? NO!

[BIGugly]

I just want to mention that the title of this thread angers me. My answer is heck no, not like this.

teams are not really allowed to have bad games, players get benched, fired but the OP suggests the FO can have a terrible season? NO!

Exactly. Not like this. This is not an off season. This play of this team absolutley STINKS. Since the 14-0 debacle this team's recored is 12-17. There are 6 pro bowlers on this team. To play like this as a team is a DISGRACE. And it is squarely on the COACHING STAFF.

[coltfaninnewyork]

Off topic a bit,where are the leaders on this team?Can anyone imagine ray lewis standing for this crap?Where is the accountability?