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yeah how do people know who has passion and who doesn't? do they expect everyone to be foaming at the mouth and yelling all game?

Yes...yes they do because that is how you show you have passion. To me it just shows someone who is loud and abrasive...

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Yes. Because clearly those who are fed up with the catatonic stare can want no other alternative than a coach who does nothing but scream and foam at the mouth. There can be no middle ground. It's either robotic stare (which appears to be contagious) or hellfire and brimstone.

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Dude do you not know who the 49ers have in the middle of that defense? you should acquaint yourself to their MLB, they have a pretty good defense not to mention a stellar run game.... Hence Jim's job wasnt hard... all they did was simplify the playbook for Alex smith and BAM you have a QB thats completing passes.

This cracks me up. Just that easy huh? Never coached or been around coaching, have you?

Coaching makes a huge difference. A team takes on the identity and passion, or discipline, coolnes, or what have you...for good or ill, of their coach. Players call into various radio shows, TV shows, and respond to interviews every week saying just this.

Not just any coach would have turned San Fran around. Same with Buffalo. Detroit I'll give you somewhat just due to the sheer number of first round picks they've had, but it still takes a certain coach to get the guys together, disciplined, etc and I think ultimately we'll see if Schwartz is that guy.

Having coached I will absolutely agree that talent and player character make a huge difference, but in the end how you respond to the players, how you prepare them, and, most importantly, how you motivate them makes or breaks you.

The Colts are a heartless team right now. I don't know if I'm quite ready to blame Caldwell just yet, but I do know there are other coaches I'd rather have. My beef with his fire goes back to the forfeiture of the undefeated season. Now, admittedly. it could be assistant coaches as well, and we have definitely had defensive struggles of one kind or another for years, and our special teams has been, well, very special.

I fully realize a lot of this comes down to the type of players we get, but there are teams out there similar to us in talent that are not 0-7.

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This cracks me up. Just that easy huh? Never coached or been around coaching, have you?

Coaching makes a huge difference. A team takes on the identity and passion, or discipline, coolnes, or what have you...for good or ill, of their coach. Players call into various radio shows, TV shows, and respond to interviews every week saying just this.

Not just any coach would have turned San Fran around. Same with Buffalo. Detroit I'll give you somewhat just due to the sheer number of first round picks they've had, but it still takes a certain coach to get the guys together, disciplined, etc and I think ultimately we'll see if Schwartz is that guy.

Having coached I will absolutely agree that talent and player character make a huge difference, but in the end how you respond to the players, how you prepare them, and, most importantly, how you motivate them makes or breaks you.

The Colts are a heartless team right now. I don't know if I'm quite ready to blame Caldwell just yet, but I do know there are other coaches I'd rather have. My beef with his fire goes back to the forfeiture of the undefeated season. Now, admittedly. it could be assistant coaches as well, and we have definitely had defensive struggles of one kind or another for years, and our special teams has been, well, very special.

I fully realize a lot of this comes down to the type of players we get, but there are teams out there similar to us in talent that are not 0-7.

Exactly. So says Daniel, so it is.....

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FAILED. You are the corrupt fan. You backstabbed this franchise.

I'm not sure why you are calling people backstabbers. Have u been watching the games this year? Do you know that we just IR a guy we gave 4 mill to so he could play a few games and look terrible even though we had a qb on the team who could manage this offense better I know i know Caldwell took us to a super bowl and we hsve been to the playoffs like every year and that is awesome but we just got 62 puts scored on us and are 0-7 and this defense had been bad for awhile and nobody is seeming to do anything about it. Colts fans have the right to be angry. Every "expert" I've heard on espn has said that our defense is full of players who wouldn't make the team on a cfl roster. It really sucks to hear that it might not be true idk but the fact that they are saying that has to raise some questions. We aren't backstabbing anybody I will still watch every game and go to the home games I just want this team to play like a NFL team and be prepared. It's hardly backstabbing. If anything the FO has stabbed us in the back for not putting a team on the field that actually can hang with other teams.

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I'm not sure why you are calling people backstabbers. Have u been watching the games this year? Do you know that we just IR a guy we gave 4 mill to so he could play a few games and look terrible even though we had a qb on the team who could manage this offense better I know i know Caldwell took us to a super bowl and we hsve been to the playoffs like every year and that is awesome but we just got 62 puts scored on us and are 0-7 and this defense had been bad for awhile and nobody is seeming to do anything about it. Colts fans have the right to be angry. Every "expert" I've heard on espn has said that our defense is full of players who wouldn't make the team on a cfl roster. It really sucks to hear that it might not be true idk but the fact that they are saying that has to raise some questions. We aren't backstabbing anybody I will still watch every game and go to the home games I just want this team to play like a NFL team and be prepared. It's hardly backstabbing. If anything the FO has stabbed us in the back for not putting a team on the field that actually can hang with other teams.

the problem is the shallowness of you and other people who think that FIRING Caldwell and Polian will make all the problems go away.

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Freeney, Mathis, and Bethea would start on any team. Nevis would as well, but he's injured, and his loss is having a bigger impact than some people realize.

We do need CB help, and probably a NT. The scheme works ( as evidenced by the fact that a 1-win Jacksonville absolutely blanked the Ravens and their 8th ranked offense while using mostly the Tampa 2), but we are missing some pieces, and a coordinator who can adjust.

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and why is that Caldwell fault?

I wanna fire the whole coaching staff and the whole front office because we have no talent on our team. Nice!

I thought the team got to pick their players. Hmmmmm my bad.

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I thought the team got to pick their players. Hmmmmm my bad.

Well actually the final decision on whom is picked in the Colts case comes down to Polian, now both of them. The coaches have a chance for input, but when it's all said and done, the picks are by the Polians.

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Well actually the final decision on whom is picked in the Colts case comes down to Polian, now both of them. The coaches have a chance for input, but when it's all said and done, the picks are by the Polians.

I know this Andddddddddddddddd?

So when I said team that means polian because well he is apart of the team

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Well actually the final decision on whom is picked in the Colts case comes down to Polian, now both of them. The coaches have a chance for input, but when it's all said and done, the picks are by the Polians.

So you agree it's entirely reasonable to place some blame on the coaching staff and front office for the state of the team. Good, we're all in agreement then.
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So you agree it's entirely reasonable to place some blame on the coaching staff and front office for the state of the team. Good, we're all in agreement then.

No question there is blame for the poor coaching, some bad drafting and assembling of the team for this season. What I don't agree with is that wholesale changes need to be done as there is no present pattern of horrible play outside of this season. Before I advocate wholesale changes I want more evidence then just 1 season. When you have 9+ consecutive seasons of winning then wholesale changes based off of 1 bad is not prudent.

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No question there is blame for the poor coaching, some bad drafting and assembling of the team for this season. What I don't agree with is that wholesale changes need to be done as there is no present pattern of horrible play outside of this season. Before I advocate wholesale changes I want more evidence then just 1 season. When you have 9+ consecutive seasons of winning then wholesale changes based off of 1 bad is not prudent.

And here I'm going to have to disagree with you. Overall we've been winning, but it's been more or less entirely because of our passing game.

Our defense has been mediocre at best the entire time Manning has been here. Recently our offensive line play and running game took a nosedive (although it "appears" to have gotten better this year, but it's hard to tell since the team as a whole is playing so badly) The less said about our special teams the better.

Looking at the situation in isolation, you're right, one bad year is not cause for wholesale change. However, we cannot look at this in isolation. Many of these issues have been going on for years, but have been covered up because of our passing game. Well, now Manning isn't here to cover it up and all those problems we've known about but didn't want to aknowledge have lead us to our current situation.

We cannot expect Manning to bail us out forever. Even if he does come back, his time in this league is running out. We have to look for the long term stability of this team. We have to build a defense that can stop people. We have to build an offensive line that can block people. We have to build a running game that can run on people.

I am all for giving people time to correct mistakes, but at what point to we accept that it's not going to happen? How many years has our defense failed? At some point we have to look at reality and accept that this is what we're going to get if we continue to do the same thing year in and year out.

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And here I'm going to have to disagree with you. Overall we've been winning, but it's been more or less entirely because of our passing game.

Our defense has been mediocre at best the entire time Manning has been here. Recently our offensive line play and running game took a nosedive (although it "appears" to have gotten better this year, but it's hard to tell since the team as a whole is playing so badly) The less said about our special teams the better.

Looking at the situation in isolation, you're right, one bad year is not cause for wholesale change. However, we cannot look at this in isolation. Many of these issues have been going on for years, but have been covered up because of our passing game. Well, now Manning isn't here to cover it up and all those problems we've known about but didn't want to aknowledge have lead us to our current situation.

We cannot expect Manning to bail us out forever. Even if he does come back, his time in this league is running out. We have to look for the long term stability of this team. We have to build a defense that can stop people. We have to build an offensive line that can block people. We have to build a running game that can run on people.

I am all for giving people time to correct mistakes, but at what point to we accept that it's not going to happen? How many years has our defense failed? At some point we have to look at reality and accept that this is what we're going to get if we continue to do the same thing year in and year out.

Given the salary cap structure for which the Colts work under and the amount of monies paid to very important and key offensive players, that left very little left for defense and when you spend the limited resources you have on players like Mathis, and Freeney and Sanders it even leaves you less to spend on those other positions. So...what exactly did you want Bill to do? I mean I guess they could have not resigned Peyton on his contract before the one he just signed and that would have freed up monies to improve the defense and gone with a lesser QB. I wonder how that would have gone over with fans. I don't have the exact numbers but I am willing to bet that overall the Colts payroll was about 60-65% towards a small handfull of players leaving the rest to cover and with that system you are going to have issues at some point.

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No question there is blame for the poor coaching, some bad drafting and assembling of the team for this season. What I don't agree with is that wholesale changes need to be done as there is no present pattern of horrible play outside of this season. Before I advocate wholesale changes I want more evidence then just 1 season. When you have 9+ consecutive seasons of winning then wholesale changes based off of 1 bad is not prudent.

Have you noticed that our record in the last 25 games. The cald is doing to us what he did at Wake, changing the culture.
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Have you noticed that our record in the last 25 games. The cald is doing to us what he did at Wake, changing the culture.

I have also noticed that during those games for the most part he has been hampered by a high number of injuries and injuires to key personal on this team. How did he do when everyone was healthy?

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Just wondering Whst is our record in the last 25 games

10 regular season wins

13 regular seasons losses

1 post season loss.

His overall record while colts coach

24 regular season wins

2 wins in the post season

15 regular season losses

2 post season losses

so overall under Jim Caldwell is 26-17, which is a winning record by anyone standards.

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I have also noticed that during those games for the most part he has been hampered by a high number of injuries and injuires to key personal on this team. How did he do when everyone was healthy?

We were a perfect 127 out of 127 games and all was well in Indy and everything polian touched turned to gold

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Things that need to change on offense - prolonged drives by Painter to protect the defense and/or to keep them rested. 2 scoring drives and several 3 and outs is not going to help. He was doing fine on the turnover aspect till he faced a team that rushed 5 or more consistently, he needs to adjust to that and Clyde needs to expect teams to do that and have plays ready for the same.

Things that need to change on D - if your young first and second year starters do not understand their zones well, then just go man coverage with as many capable ones as possible, change the LB corp with Moten and/or Sims consistently who are better with pass coverage, IMO, and send blitzes from the edge rotating coverage to the direction of the blitzer. Maybe play 5 man fronts, do something different that will make our opponents' O think more instead of hoping they will do better at the things they could not do right in the previous 7 games.

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Lets Compare...

Jim Caldwell first 2 seasons

24 regular season wins

2 wins in the post season

8 regular season losses

2 post season losses

3rd season 0-7 so far

Coach X who most consider DA Man

16 wins regular season

3 post season wins

16 regular season losses

0 post seasons losses...

3rd season 9-7 no playoff appearance...

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I have also noticed that during those games for the most part he has been hampered by a high number of injuries and injuires to key personal on this team. How did he do when everyone was healthy?

Having injuries doesn't mean we should lose games and especially every game in one season. The packers had the most players on IR last year not just any players we are talking key players. Guess what their coach got them to the super bowl. It doesn't end there. In the super bowl they lost shields driver and their defensive captain woodsen to injuries and they still won the super bowl. Injuries are apart of football and great teams can keep it going after injuries. Steelers won 3 out of 4 without ben and patriots won 11 games without Brady. Why were they able to win with injuries?

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Having injuries doesn't mean we should lose games and especially every game in one season. The packers had the most players on IR last year not just any players we are talking key players. Guess what their coach got them to the super bowl. It doesn't end there. In the super bowl they lost shields driver and their defensive captain woodsen to injuries and they still won the super bowl. Injuries are apart of football and great teams can keep it going after injuries. Steelers won 3 out of 4 without ben and patriots won 11 games without Brady. Why were they able to win with injuries?

Did the Pack lose Aaron Rogers? Well they did for 1 game I believe and how did they do? Pitts won because their team wasn't centered around their QB, he was a piece of the puzzle but not the main piece. NE got lucky and had a pretty decent backup QB we don't.

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Having injuries doesn't mean we should lose games and especially every game in one season. The packers had the most players on IR last year not just any players we are talking key players. Guess what their coach got them to the super bowl. It doesn't end there. In the super bowl they lost shields driver and their defensive captain woodsen to injuries and they still won the super bowl. Injuries are apart of football and great teams can keep it going after injuries. Steelers won 3 out of 4 without ben and patriots won 11 games without Brady. Why were they able to win with injuries?

Well the Packers went 10-6 I believe and got into the playoffs due to a fluke...

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Well the Packers went 10-6 I believe and got into the playoffs due to a fluke...

lmao they won the super bowl. With key players on IR. Let me explain it a little easier. You said it yourself Pitt won because their team wasn't centered around 1 player. Should any team depend so much on one player like we do. Get over it man injuries aren't an excuse. But I'm sure you will continue to propose the same argument u have 137 times since Sunday.

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lmao they won the super bowl. With key players on IR. Let me explain it a little easier. You said it yourself Pitt won because their team wasn't centered around 1 player. Should any team depend so much on one player like we do. Get over it man injuries aren't an excuse. But I'm sure you will continue to propose the same argument u have 137 times since Sunday.

If you don't believe injuries have an impact on a teams ability to win, especially when the loss is to the lone KEY person that your whole team is built around doesn't matter, then good for you...everyone should be able to believe in what they want weather it is based in fact or fiction....

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I hate it when people say that we have so much money tied up in key players. How do you think any other team is built. You pay good money for your proven guys, let the ones walk that think they're better than what you're offering, and you fill your other spots with valuable cheaper players. It's not too difficult a concept. Also this notion that the offense makes way more than the defense is false.

Highly payed O players:

Manning

Wayne

Clark

Highly payed D players

Brackett

Bethea

Mathis

Freeney

You could add Saturday and Addai to the O list but they really don't hurt much cap wise. Also don't forget Hayden's ridiculous contract and Bob 'The Glass Man' Sanders.

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I hate it when people say that we have so much money tied up in key players. How do you think any other team is built. You pay good money for your proven guys, let the ones walk that think they're better than what you're offering, and you fill your other spots with valuable cheaper players. It's not too difficult a concept. Also this notion that the offense makes way more than the defense is false.

Highly payed O players:

Manning

Wayne

Clark

Highly payed D players

Brackett

Bethea

Mathis

Freeney

You could add Saturday and Addai to the O list but they really don't hurt much cap wise. Also don't forget Hayden's ridiculous contract and Bob 'The Glass Man' Sanders.

It would be intersting to see a break down of say how the dollars are divided up for the Colts, Pats, Steelers, Cowboys, Eagles and such. I don't have any data but I have a feeling the Colts have more money tied up in fewer "greats" over the othes.

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Lets Compare...

Jim Caldwell first 2 seasons

24 regular season wins

2 wins in the post season

8 regular season losses

2 post season losses

3rd season 0-7 so far

Coach X who most consider DA Man

16 wins regular season

3 post season wins

16 regular season losses

0 post seasons losses...

3rd season 9-7 no playoff appearance...

Coach X coached his team to a Super Bowl victory. Caldwell coached his team out of one. Also, Coach X took over for a team that was not good and had just fired its coach. Caldwell took over a perennial contender. Also, I don't know why you don't just put Belichick instead of "Coach X."

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123.           Trey Hill                Georgia OC          6'4"        330 124.           Cary Angeline    North Carolina State       TE           6'7"        250 125.           Ihmir Smith-Marsette    Iowa      WR         6'2"        175 126.           Kylin Hill               Mississippi State               RB           5'11"      215 127.           Charles Snowden             Virginia OLB        6'6"        232 128.           Caden Sterns     Texas    S              6'0"        210 129.           Rodarius Williams             Oklahoma State CB           6'0"        193 130.           Quinn Meinerz  UW-Whitewater              OC          6'3"        320 131.           Keith Taylor        Washington        CB           6'3"        191 132.           Elijah Mitchell    Louisiana             RB           5'11"      221 133.           Tedarrell Slaton Florida  DL1T      6'5"        358 134.           Pooka Williams  Kansas  RBC        5'10"      170 135.           Olaijah Griffin    USC        CB           6'0''        170 136.           Torrance Marable            Coastal Carolina                RBC        5'10"      200 137.           Damon Hazelton              Missouri               WR         6'2"        215 138.           Tariq Thompson               San Diego State S              6'0"        200 139.           Ta'Quon Graham              Texas    DL3T      6'4"        294 140.           K.J. Britt                Auburn ILB          6'0"        236 141.           Monty Rice         Georgia OLB        6'1"        235 142.           Kylen Granson   SMU      TE           6'2''        235 143.           Kellen Mond      Texas A&M         QB          6'3"        217 144.           Paddy Fisher      Northwestern   ILB          6'4"        246 145.           Amari Rodgers  Clemson              WR         5'9"        210 146.           Jamien Sherwood            Auburn S              6'2''        220 147.           Max Duffy           Kentucky             P             6'1"        185 148.           Spencer K. Brown             Northern Iowa  OT          6'9''        321 149.           Nico Collins         Michigan              WR         6'4"        222 150.           Tommy Togiai    Ohio State           DL3T      6'2"        300 151.           JaCoby Stevens LSU        S              6'1''        228 152.           Jordan Smith      UAB       EDGE     6'7"        255 153.           Tyler Vaughns   USC        WR         6'2"        190 154.           Jack Anderson   Texas Tech          OG         6'5"        315 155.           Bobby Brown III Texas A&M         DL1T      6'3"        325 156.           Darren Hall          San Diego State CB           6'0"        190 157.           Donovan Stiner Florida  S              6'1"        203 158.           Wyatt Hubert    Kansas State       EDGE     6'3"        270 159.           Thomas Graham Jr.         Oregon CB           5'10"      193 160.           Shemar Jean-Charles      Appalachian State            CB           5'11"      190 161.           Malik Herring     Georgia DL5T      6'3"        283 162.           Daelin Hayes      Notre Dame       EDGE     6'4"        268 163.           Tommy Kraemer              Notre Dame       OG         6'6"        317 164.           Marco Wilson    Florida  CB           6'0"        190 165.           Trill Williams       Syracuse              CB           6'2'         198 166.           Shaka Toney       Penn State          EDGE     6'3"        243 167.           Jimmy Morrissey              Pitt         OC          6'3"        305 168.           Sam Ehlinger      Texas    QB          6'3"        225 169.           Sadarius Hutcherson      South Carolina   OG         6'4"        320 170.           D.J. Daniel           Georgia CB           6'0''        183 171.           Camryn Bynum Cal          CB           6'0''        198 172.           Jermar Jefferson              Oregon State     RBC        5'9"        215 173.           Jose Borregales Miami (FL)           PK           5'10"      205 174.           Alaric Jackson    Iowa      OT          6'6"        315 175.           Brennan Eagles Texas    WR         6'2"        225 176.           Tommy Doyle    Miami (OH)         OT          6'8''        326 177.           Jonathan Marshall           Arkansas              DL1T      6'3"        317 178.           Shane Buechele SMU      QB          6'1"        207 179.           Joshua Kaindoh Florida State       EDGE     6'7"        261 180.           James Hudson   Cincinnati            OT          6'5"        310 181.           Benjamin St-Juste            Minnesota          CB           6'3"        200 182.           Demetric Felton                UCLA     RBC        5'9"        189 183.           Victor Dimukeje Duke     EDGE     6'2"        265 184.           Xavier Kelly         Arkansas              DL3T      6'4"        305 185.           Kary Vincent Jr. LSU        CB           5'10"      182 186.           Noah Gray           Duke     TE           6'4"        240 187.           Adrian Ealy          Oklahoma           OT          6'6"        327 188.           Michal Menet   Penn State          OC          6'4''        305 189.           Pressley Harvin III            Georgia Tech      P             6'0"        255 190.           Amen Ogbongbemiga    Oklahoma State OLB        6'1"        231 191.           T.J. Vasher          Texas Tech          WR         6'6"        210 192.           Josh Imatorbhebhe         Illinois   WR         6'2"        215 193.           Matt Bushman  BYU        TE           6'5"        245 194.           Stevie Scott        Indiana RB           6'2"        231 195.           Brady Christensen           BYU        OT          6'6''        300 196.           Quintin Morris   Bowling Green  TE           6'4"        248 197.           Riley Patterson Memphis             PK           6'0"        190 198.           Malcolm Koonce              Buffalo EDGE     6'3"        250 199.           Robert Rochell   Central Arkansas              CB           6'0''        195 200.           Ben Mason         Michigan              FB           6'3"        254
    • Bender honey we love you SHUT UP BABY I KNOW IT
    • Trade 1: Miami offer picks No.3, No.18, No.50 and Tua Tagavailova to Texans for DeShaun Watson   Trade 2: WFT offers pick No.19 to NYJ for pick No.34 and Sam Darnold   Trade 3: Carolina offers pick No.8 and pick No.104 to Houston for Tua, pick No.18,  and pick No.113   Trade 4: Indianapolis Colts offer pick No.21 (1st) and pick No.118 (4th) to Las Vegas Raiders for Derek Carr   Trade 5: Tennessee Titans offer Pick No.22, Pick No.53 and Pick No.86 to Denver Broncos for Pick No.9   Trade 6: Las Vegas Raiders offer Pick No.21 and Pick No.145 for Carson Wentz and Pick No.37   Trade 7: Carolina Panthers offer Pick No.113 to Eagles for Zach Ertz   Trade 8: New England Patriots trade Patrick Surtain and a 4th rounder to the Los Angeles Chargers for Jaylen Waddle   Trade 9: Los Angeles Chargers trade Patrick Surtain to Carolina Panthers for pick No.18 and No.73   Trade 10: Cleveland Browns trade Jarvis Landry and Pick No.123 to Chicago Bears for their 3rd round pick No.84   Trade 11: Pittsburgh Steelers trade Pick No.55 (2nd), Pick No.88 (3rd) and Pick No.192 (6th) to Bucs for pick No.32   Trade 12: Houston Texans trade pick No.50, No.100 and No.104 to New Orleans Saints for Marshon Lattimore   Round 1   1.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson 2.  NY Jets (2-14) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State 3.  Houston from Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU 4.  Atlanta (4-12) - Penei Sowell, OT, Oregon 5.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - JaMarr Chase, WR, LSU 6.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State 7.  Detroit (5-11) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State 8.  Houston from Carolina (5-11) - DaVonta Smith, WR, Alabama 9.  Titans from Denver (5-11) - Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan 10.  Dallas (6-10) - Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern 11.  NY Giants (6-10) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida 12.  San Francisco (6-10) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech 13.  New England from LA Chargers (7-9) - Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama 14.  Minnesota (7-9) - Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami 15.  Carolina from LA Chargers from New England (7-9) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama 16.  Arizona (8-8) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina 17.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Jaelen Philips, EDGE, Miami 18.  Chargers from Carolina from Houston from Miami (10-6) - Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue 19.  NY Jets From WFT* (7-9) - Najee Harris RB Alabama 20.  Chicago* (8-8) - Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 21.  Philadelphia from Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota 22.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech 23.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Zaven Collins, OLB/DE, Tulsa 24.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Jalen Mayfield, OT, Michigan 25.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trevon Moehring, S, TCU 26.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame 27.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida 28.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh 29.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Terrance Marshall, WR, LSU 30.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State 31.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Wyatt Davis, OG/C, Ohio State 32.  Pittsburgh from Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama   Houston -> Miami: For Laremy Tunsil Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Carolina -> Houston: For Tua LA Rams -> Jacksonville: For Jalen Ramsey Seattle -> NY Jets: For Jamal Adams WFT -> NY Jets For Sam Darnold Indianapolis -> Las Vegas For Derek Carr Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Las Vegas -> Philadelphia for Carson Wentz New England -> Chargers for Jaylen Waddle Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 2   33.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Sam Cosmi, OT, Texas 34.  WFT From NY Jets (2-14) - Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama 35.  Atlanta (4-12) - Creed Humphrey, OG, Oklahoma 36.  Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson 37.  Las Vegas From Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State 38.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Christian Barmore, DL, Alabama 39.  Carolina (5-11) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame 40.  Denver (5-11) - Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State 41.  Detroit (5-11) - Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss 42.  NY Giants (6-10) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State 43.  San Francisco (6-10) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon 44.  Dallas (6-10) - Jay Tufele, DT, USC 45.  Jacksonville - from Minnesota (7-9) - Jackson Carmon, OT, Clemson 46.  New England (7-9) - Joseph Ossai, EDGE/OLB, Texas 47.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State 48.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri 49.  Arizona (8-8) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford 50.  New Orleans From Houston from Miami (10-6) - Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama 51.  WFT* (7-9) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State 52.  Chicago* (8-8) - Kyle Trask, QB, Florida 53.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Jabril Cox, LB, LSU 54.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington 55.  Tampa Bay  from Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest 56.  Seattle* (12-4) - Brady Christiansen, OT, BYU 57.  LA Rams* (10-6) - Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama 58.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia 59.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Richie Grant, Safety, UCF 60.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern 61.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Ronnie Perkins, EDGE, Oklahoma 62.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa 63.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Josh Myers, C, Ohio State 64.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia   Houston -> Miami: Laremy Tunsil Minnesota -> Jacksonville: Yannick Ngakoue NY Jets -> WFT in Sam Darnold trade Philadelphia -> Las Vegas in Carson Wentz trade Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Houston -> New Orleans For Marshon Lattimore Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 3   65.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Tyler Shelvin, DL, LSU 66.  NY Jets (2-14) - Marquez Stevenson, WR, Houston 67.  Houston (4-12) - Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State 68.  Atlanta (4-12) - Marvin Wilson, DL, FSU 69.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati 70.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse 71.  Denver (5-11) - Elijah Molden, CB, Washington 72.  Detroit (5-11) - Alim McNeil, DL, NC State 73.  Los Angeles Chargers From Carolina (5-11) - Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State 74.  WFT - from San Francisco (6-10) - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC 75.  Dallas (6-10) - Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida 76.  NY Giants (6-10) - Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford 77.  New England (7-9) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia 78.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Rashad Weaver, DE, Pittsburgh 79.  Minnesota (7-9) - Osa Odighizuwa, DT, UCLA 80.  Arizona (8-8) - Payton Turner, DE, Houston 81.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Hamsah Nasirldeen, S, FSU 82.  Miami (10-6) - Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State 83.  WFT* (7-9) - Deonte Brown, OG, Alabama 84.  Cleveland From Chicago* (8-8) - Joe Tryon, DE, Washington 85.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Jordan Smith, DE, UAB 86.  Denver From Tennessee* (11-5) - Ar'Darius Washington, S, TCU 87.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse 88.  Tampa Bay From Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Camerone McGrone, LB, Michigan 89.  Detroit - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trey Smith, OG, Tennessee 90.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State 91.  Minnesota - from Baltimore* (11-5) - Ben Cleveland, OG, Georgia 92.  Cleveland - from New Orleans* (12-4) - D’Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Michigan 93.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Chazz Surratt, OLB, North Carolina 94.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia 95.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas 96.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Israel Mukumanu, CB, South Carolina   Baltimore -> Minnesota: Yannick Ngakoue LA Rams -> Detroit: Matthew Stafford New England stripped of draft pick because of Spygate II New Orleans -> Cleveland: 2020 picks San Francisco -> Washington: Trent Williams Seattle -> NY Jets: Jamal Adams Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Chicago -> Cleveland in Jarvis Landry trade Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 4 97.   Jacksonville (1-15) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) - Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn 105.  Denver (5-11) - Quinn Meinerz, OG/OC , Wisconsin - Whitewater 106.  Dallas (6-10) - Jaylen Twyman DT, Pitt 107.  NY Giants (6-10) - Marlon Williams, WR, UCF 108.  San Francisco (6-10) - Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State 110.  Minnesota (7-9) 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) 114.  Miami (10-6) 115.  WFT* (7-9) 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) 120.  Seattle* (12-4) 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5)     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
    • IF MN doesn't pick till tomorrow.....   With 111, the Chargers will select   iOL/C Quinn Meinerz   or OG Kendrick Green, if Meinerez is gone.    
    • With the 109th pick,    Chargers select LB Justin Hilliard from OSU.   Surprised he wasn't up higher on the big board. PFF has him as a late 2nd.     Minnesota Vikings and @coltsfanmurf are on the clock.
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