Caldwell/coaching (Merge)

[presto123]

I would love to see what Jon Gruden would do in a post game locker room after an effort like that. It would probably look like a tornado hit. LOL

[Ryan Pelley]

Remember how we started Super Bowl 44 (hate bringing it up) with no cushion, playing pretty dang close, and Brees was ineffective?

Then suddenly, the gameplan changed to "The Cushion" for no reason, and the Colts were torn apart? Sigh.... Learn from your mistakes much?

[Jaric]

Did he give them his patented "carebear stare" before putting Ben Stein to sleep with his breakdown of what small minor detail it was we just overlooked that caused them to lose by almost 60 points?

[CaliforniaColtsfan (maybe)]

Don't stop with Fire Jim. The owner should clean house, fire the front office, special teams coach, defensive coordinator, and the conditioning coach. If I was Peyton, I would want another ring and realize that if i come back to play, it will never happen with this bunch of clowns.

[Smitto]

Lol a Forum... a Coaches worst enemy lol.. the colts should fire caldwell but i would much rather see them make changes to who starts and who doesnt.

[Rblake]

I would love to see what Jon Gruden would do...

I totally thought you were going a different direction when I read this part of the post. I started to imagine what could be...

[Ryan Pelley]

It's time for Caldwell, the Polians, and more of the coaching staff to go. It's just not working, and they have no clue what an adjustment is. Keep playing that soft coverage. How many times do we have to see 5 to 10 yard passes completed in the middle of the field or by the sidelines before something changes? We're at about 5,000 times and nothing has changed. It's getting obvious that it's hopeless to expect something done about this.

Man coverage + Freeney / Mathis + Linebackers not dropping back 20 yards = OBVIOUS IMPROVEMENT.

[chrisfarley]

I've had it with the lack of effort.

[CR91]

im starting to think that the colts had a secret agreement with caldwell once peyton went down saying he wont be responsible for this season because he acts like hes safe and its like he doesnt care. i dont understand how this guy is a HC in the national football league. he doesnt do anything to help us win.

Edited October 24, 2011 by coltsrule91

[Ryan Pelley]

I want to see this instead of

[presto123]

I want to see this instead of

Chucky instead of Blinky! LOL

[Smitto]

I want to see this instead of

[unitaswestand]

I honestly don't think the Colts are 0-7 because the players are bad or that the talent is so thin. I keep reading things about how Polian has blown the last few drafts and that is what has killed the team. I have to say I disagree. I think this pretty much starts and ends with coaching. Sure, the coaches aren't the ones fumbling. But if this team was coached by Bill Walsh or Bill Belichick, do you think they would be 0-7? How many teams in the league have a better setup at WR then Wayne, Garcon, Clark, and Collie? I hear people say the offensive line is so bad. Where? They are run blocking much better and not allowing very many sacks to QBs who aren't exactly Peyton Manning as far as getting rid of the ball.

Defensively, how many teams have talent like Freeney, Mathis, Bethea, Conner, and Angerer? Sure, they aren't a top 5 defense, but they shouldn't be THAT bad!!!

I think this has everything to do with coaching and game planning. I don't care if we had Revis playing CB, if you give a 10 yard cushion, the QB is going to hit 5-7 yard passes on you all day long. If your MLB is dropping back into coverage, you are going to get slammed running up the middle. I think the DTs have been blamed long enough. If you notice a team like the Ravens, Ray Lewis is constantly making plays because the DTs are freeing him up. It is like people expect our DTs to be making all the run tackles, otherwise they aren't good. I think they do okay, but if the LBs are so far back, there is going to be a problem

And for those who say it is about Polian drafting bad the last few years, I say this. Look at the Patriots drafting over that time. Donald Brown? Laurence Maroney? They have the hits and misses too. Yet, they seem to be doing fine. Their system allows them to plug in lesser players and do well. And it isn't all dependent on Brady. Even when it is Matt Cassell or Brian Hoyer, they still perform at a high level.

To me, this starts and ends with coaching. Even with Manning out, there is no way this team should be 0-7. If Jim Harbaugh were coaching this team, his system would make them perform better just as he did with the 49ers. I just think the offensive system and defensive system are bad and predictable. Peyton has basically covered them up. This defense has been bad for years, but Manning could win the games.

I say Caldwell should be fired, make Tressel the coach for rest of season and at least try something different. Can't get any worse. And if Coyer wants to continue to play 10 yards off the WR, he should go too. They honestly have to be the worst coached team I have seen in a long time. Just Manning made them look much better. As the writer Jason Whitlock said, Montana had Walsh....Brady has Belichick...and Manning has...Caldwell. Come on!!! Time to actually have a good coach.

Edited October 24, 2011 by unitaswestand

[Jason_]

+1 and agree all around.

[Colts420]

I think caldwell plays some kenny G before the game to get the players amped

[Smitto]

Some of the players you mention arent stars at all... Conner isnt any star, Nor is Pat though i really like him, neither is Collie.. the colts have only a few early round pics starting on their defense.. they have a young secondary.. but they do not have that talent on the defense to stop the run or the pass... for 5 plus years this defense have been preaching gap duties and they still cant stop the run... the colts do not have that talent.. A CB that can cover and hold his own.. the colts do not have that.. a LB that can cover, recognize the play and make the tackle the colts do not have that.

Yes they have freeney and mathis but they cannot stop the run and sometimes they only hurt the team when pass rushing... BUT thats how the colts play defense and until something changes, your gonna be stuck with UDFA's starting and the same old scheme.

Do you know why teams are successful? your Oline and Dline, the colts Oline was better obviously at the start of the year.. but the defense has been in shambles, its not because of coaching... and thats one spot i will stand on... Caldwell is a horrible coach but he is not the reason why the players arent producing... the colts are consistently being pushed off the line, thats definitely not because of coaching.

Edited October 24, 2011 by Smitto

[colts52761]

maybe they should look into trying to trade some players in the off season and get draft picks, maybe not sign wayne and mathis, maybe sign somebody younger.

[ReMeDy]

I say Caldwell should be fired, make Tressel the coach for rest of season and at least try something different.

Whoever we get, we need to do it in a hurry. At least by adopting a change NOW the coach gets to acclimate himself to the team sooner, so that way next season, the coach will have a head start. If we wait until the off-season to fire Caldwell, then that's low hanging fruit of practice matches our next head coach misses out on.

Edited October 24, 2011 by ReMeDy

[Luck for President]

Which colts fans will finally admit that it's time for a change. There is no way we should be this bad we always hear about the next man up philosophy I'm ready for that to happen with our coaching staff. It's a joke and I'm tired of watching Jim just stand there with a stupid confused look on his face.

[CR91]

you didnt have to start a thread about this. theres like 6 million

[The Fish]

Fire jim

[unitaswestand]

Some of the players you mention arent stars at all... Conner isnt any star, Nor is Pat though i really like him, neither is Collie.. the colts have only a few early round pics starting on their defense.. they have a young secondary.. but they do not have that talent on the defense to stop the run or the pass... for 5 plus years this defense have been preaching gap duties and they still cant stop the run... the colts do not have that talent.. A CB that can cover and hold his own.. the colts do not have that.. a LB that can cover, recognize the play and make the tackle the colts do not have that.

Yes they have freeney and mathis but they cannot stop the run and sometimes they only hurt the team when pass rushing... BUT thats how the colts play defense and until something changes, your gonna be stuck with UDFA's starting and the same old scheme.

Do you know why teams are successful? your Oline and Dline, the colts Oline was better obviously at the start of the year.. but the defense has been in shambles, its not because of coaching... and thats one spot i will stand on... Caldwell is a horrible coach but he is not the reason why the players arent producing... the colts are consistently being pushed off the line, thats definitely not because of coaching.

Well, I'm not saying they're stars, but they are good, young players in some cases. My point is we have some very good players. At least enough talent to win games. This is nothing new to me, because I have felt this for years. When we get to the playoffs and average like 14 points a game offensively, there is something wrong. But Manning hitting Harrison, Wayne, and Clark covers up many problems.

[colts52761]

Hopefully when i turn on the tv tommorow, this will have happened.

[unitaswestand]

Maybe NEXT MAN UP should apply to coaches too!! Time to give Tressel a shot.

[ReMeDy]

Someone needs to design a "Fire Jim!" logo, similar to the "Suck for Luck" design.

[Smitto]

Well, I'm not saying they're stars, but they are good, young players in some cases. My point is we have some very good players. At least enough talent to win games. This is nothing new to me, because I have felt this for years. When we get to the playoffs and average like 14 points a game offensively, there is something wrong. But Manning hitting Harrison, Wayne, and Clark covers up many problems.

Thats the thing, its not always about how you look in your uniform.. its technique and how you can breakdown a play and the colts dont have alot of players like that... time after time you see the players just walking or slowly going to their position and the ball snaps and they arent set yet...

One thing the colts need is some high caliber players who has been productive in his college years and actually has the tangibles to be a starter. The colts looked bad against the saints because the saints Oline handled them...Im not gonna deny that the coaches arent the problem as well because they do put the players in some bad positions to make plays but most of the time when it comes to the colts its because the colts dont have quality players taking snaps.

[colts52761]

Then why earlier in the year so many people would brag that bill polian was so great, our roster is thin because he wasted a lot of draft picks.

[smittywerb]

He needs to go. It is evident now. These are MADDEN numbers! 62-7? Only thing that was good that came out of this game was Delone Carter and that the score wasn't 62-0. Not only did we lose bad, but we lost bad on National TV. Now, everyone attention will be drawn to how low the Colts can go. Just wait until ESPN and NFLN start coming down us hard!

[tonychen]

The team has huge problems everywhere. even manning could not turn things around. Will suck for a couple of yrs.

[Coltsman1788]

Time to start grabbing the pitch forks in Indy. lol

[Jindrake]

Some of the players you mention arent stars at all... Conner isnt any star, Nor is Pat though i really like him, neither is Collie.. the colts have only a few early round pics starting on their defense.. they have a young secondary.. but they do not have that talent on the defense to stop the run or the pass... for 5 plus years this defense have been preaching gap duties and they still cant stop the run... the colts do not have that talent.. A CB that can cover and hold his own.. the colts do not have that.. a LB that can cover, recognize the play and make the tackle the colts do not have that.

Yes they have freeney and mathis but they cannot stop the run and sometimes they only hurt the team when pass rushing... BUT thats how the colts play defense and until something changes, your gonna be stuck with UDFA's starting and the same old scheme.

Do you know why teams are successful? your Oline and Dline, the colts Oline was better obviously at the start of the year.. but the defense has been in shambles, its not because of coaching... and thats one spot i will stand on... Caldwell is a horrible coach but he is not the reason why the players arent producing... the colts are consistently being pushed off the line, thats definitely not because of coaching.

I disagree your coach is a reason that players don't produce he doesn't put them in situations they can win that is what a coach is supposed to do and caldwell doesn't have the slightest clue where to start on anything or was in not that obvious to you tonight against the saints?

[austriancolt]

Fire Caldwell, Coyer, Rychalski AND Bill Polian!

[Coltsman1788]

Caldwell serves up the same old rehashed game plan and post game speech week after week regardless of results. Get him out of here.

[Malakai432]

I didn't listen to any post game interview but hopefully he didn't say, "Yeah, uhhhh we uhhhhhhh ummmmmm uhhhhhhh just uhhhhhmmmmmhuh need to play uhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm better uhhhhhhh.". Or say anything to the likes of, "I thought our team played really well."

That game was rough to watch, I have a feeling there will be many changes made after this year. In terms of who, I'm not sure..

[Coltsfan4ever]

The guy is so clueless it's scary.

[BobbyMorris94]

What makes no since to me is that if you are playing off the receiver by 8-10 yards, the QB can constantly throw short passes, therefore negating Freeney/Mathis pass rush. Wouldn't it make more since to press them more to give the line a bit more time to rush the QB? It is like playing prevent defense the entire game, and the other team picks you apart.

I've said the exact same thing for years. I actually posted it on here a few weeks back. Two of the best pass rushers and we never jam at the line. I'm starting to think there is a lot of incompetence in our organization. Without Manning we would have been Lions of the last decade. Maybe we would have 10 years of top pick talent though so I doubt things would be as dire as they are now. Worst defense ever. The end.

[Happy2BeHere]

The interview I heard on radio he said we need to just keep plugging away?????????????? What the???

We DO keep plugging away though...."plug a guy here...plug a guy there...here a guy there a guy plug this guy in anywhere..." as a result of the normal injury bug...so he is right, we just keep pluggin away lol

[FireJimCaldwell]

Without Manning over the past decade, it's the Los Angeles Colts at this point. There has never been a player in the history of sports to mean what he has to his team, and city. Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan are the only two that come close but Manning did it in a modern era, and the Bulls weren't this bad without Jordan. Lucas Oil Stadium, is the House that Manning built, and if he has thrown his last pass we have been cheated.

[DeViLzzz]

I love this thread. It says pretty much everything I have said for years on the ESPN Colts msg boards.

[DeViLzzz]

Has anyone mentioned Caldwell sending out Matt Stover, the geezer with no range left in his kicking leg, to kick a 51 yd FG in the SB as being a stupid move ? Seriously I was yelling at the tv that night when he sent him out there. At that point in the game it also didn't call for this kind of risk. Caldwell with his poor timeout calls and now with Saturday ripping him openly after this game it is time to send him packing. What is sad is that the Polians may get away with hanging around when they agreed to let him come in and coach and also have drafted very poorly as of late and have been too O focused for years with this team. Caldwell and Polian deserve to go !